Keyword Corrections?

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

Just wondering if there will ever be errata for incorrect keywords.

I understand that a character shouldn't have keywords for every single team it has been affiliated with.

I believe that keywords should be assigned by the rank of the character, since this is used to loosely represent the time period of that figure. (REV, U, LE, etc.)

I also believe that keywords should figure in the point cost of a figure. A set amount of points per keyword, or a similar formula would make sense.

But is what I want to ##### and moan about, and hopefully to make a difference, are those just outright blatant erroneous keywords that have been assigned, or lack thereof for certain figures.

Just to name a few that I think should have keyword changes:

Iron Man - LE - Supernova #217 (Mark XII, Mark I Armor; a.k.a. Silver Centurion) - Anthony Stark

It is an absolute travesty to all Iron Man fans that this Iron Man incorrectly has the Avengers keyword. It should have the West Coast Avengers keyword.

In the name of comic-book accuracy, I use him on my WCA teams at the expense of any keyword bonuses.

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Absorbing Man - Veteran - Mutations and Monsters #019 - Carl "Crusher" Creel

Another inexcusable mistake! Why or why, by the comic book gods, does this figure have the Wrecking Crew keyword?

I understand how he got it. Someone mistook him for that other guy with a ball & chain, you know, Thunderball.

Never, ever, has Absorbing Man ever been a member of the Wrecking Crew. Not once, not twice, NEVER! He has been on the Masters of Evil, along with the Wrecking Crew, but never a member of the WC.

Being the Veteran, this Absorbing Man should have two keywords: Frightful Four and Masters of Evil (whom, being a veteran, would have been in the 5th incarnation of the MoE.)

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Nick Fury - U - Clobberin' Time #86

This one is so obvious, that the person who left the S.H.I.E.L.D. keyword off this figure should be dipped in a large vat of boiling honey and thrown in a giant ant pile.

How the hell was the S.H.I.E.L.D. keyword left off of this figure. He's only NICK FURY AGENT AND THEN DIRECTOR OF S.H.I.E.L.D. Maybe you've heard about S.H.I.E.L.D.?

But the really funny thing is... He's wearing a damn S.H.I.E.L.D. uniform with a S.H.I.E.L.D. patch on it. If that didn't given the person assigning the keywords a hint that he was forgetting something... he's a lost soul, and should spend eternity in hell reading Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD comic books.


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That's just three figures that are glaring examples of keyword malpractice.

Any hope that these mistakes can be corrected? After all, keywords aren't the Ten Commandments. They aren't written in stone, and you won't get struck by lighting by HaShem if you change them.

[commandercool]

Wasn't there a keyword revision with the last list of errata? I seem to recall that at least a few things were changed. Maybe I just made that up...

Personally I want more consistency on generic keywords and most location specific ones. I'd like to be able to grab a Superman from my old figures box and be able to assume that he has Metropolis and Reporter without having to look it up.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

The JLA, Justice League and Justice League of America keywords are a mess. Morrison's JLA members do not all have JLA, and many members of the original Justice League of America lack the keyword.

And in the generic keywords, I never understoof why the Question (Origin) would not have Martial Artist, as he studied with DC's best martial artist.

[mr-coffin]

The big one for me is cable with the New WARRIORS keyword. That ones pretty obvious. Ultimate Electro also got 616 Electros keywords for some reason.

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

The JLA, Justice League and Justice League of America keywords are a mess. Morrison's JLA members do not all have JLA, and many members of the original Justice League of America lack the keyword.

And in the generic keywords, I never understoof why the Question (Origin) would not have Martial Artist, as he studied with DC's best martial artist.

I feel your pain concerning JLA and Justice League, and Justice League of America keywords. I'm not familiar with DC, but maybe it's because of timeline issues.

For example: Avengers, West Coast Avengers, Young Avengers, etc..., They are all Avengers, but are Avengers from different time periods, or completely different rosters.

In regards to Question and the martial artist keyword. In my opinion, that is being a bit nit picky.

No offense, but ask yourself this question (no pun intended):

Which comic book character in the comics isn't a martial artist, mutant, scientist, soldier, or warrior? Those keywords fit about 99.9999% of all comic book characters in existence. Should all figures have one of the five keywords?

In my opinion, that is the problem with generic keywords. Some of them are sooooo generic that they shouldn't be used.

But this threads purpose is for pointing out those glaring omissions, or lack thereof... for specific characters, regarding non-Generic keywords.

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

The big one for me is cable with the New WARRIORS keyword. That ones pretty obvious. Ultimate Electro also got 616 Electros keywords for some reason.

I noticed this too concerning Earth-1610 Electro. It electrifies my mind as to why.

[RedDragon]

Just all the justice league justice league. Then make omgea red weapon x. Oh & avengers avengers.

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

Just all the justice league justice league. Then make omgea red weapon x. Oh & avengers avengers.

I wouldn't want to have just one big umbrella for all Avengers. I really like the different Avengers TA, and I think we need more: Mighty Avengers, New / Secret Avengers, Avengers: The Initiative, etc.

It would allow us to build comic-accurate theme teams, which was the whole intention of keywords to begin with.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

If you're not worrying about generics, fine, but it's kinda what he did. Would you leave it off Mantis or Taskmaster? For that matter, there ought to be an Archer keyword.

In the case of the JLA, it more like the difference between Cap's Kooky Quartet and Chuck Austen's Avengers-- completely different rosters from a completely era-- only in this case, they have a slightly different name (Justice League of America, Justice League, JLI, JLA). Which wouldn't be so annoying, except they got a whole mess of them wrong. If they're just given them all one "JLA" keyword and let they players make up the accurate rosters, all would be well.

It's not the same thing as Young Avengers, WCA, as those were splinter teams. JLA has those too, but I'm just talking about the main JLA team from any era. The plinter teams JL Europe, JL Task Force, Young Justice, JL Elite-- they did OK with those.


The point is, they segmented them by era, *and then put the wrong keywords on them, so you cannot actually build accurate rosters from any given era-- a keyword theme forces mixing of eras*

Oh, another rant-- Green Lantern villains. 2 key ones lack any keyword at all (Star Sapphire and Black Hand). It's not even clear which SS it's supposed to be, since she has a team ability but the original was never on any team, but should have Coast City. The other one it might be should be Secret Society of Super Villains.

[ChiRocker]

I was just looking at some stuff today and found that the 3 versions of Obsidian are all screwed up.

The rookie has the JSA TA with the following keywords: Infinity Inc. and Teen
The exp has no affiliation with the keywords: Infinity Inc, Mystical and Justice Society
The vet has the Mystics TA with the keyword: Justice Society

Please tell me why the only version with the JSA TA is the only one without the keyword, and please tell me why the exp has mystical but the vet has the Mystics TA!

Also, characters like si Elektra who have "Hand" instead of "The Hand" or cj Donna Troy who has "Titans" instead of "Teen Titans" need to be fixed (if they have been fixed already, then they need to be fixed in our database).

[canaaron]

JLA, Justice League, Justice League of America are all given that way to reflect rosters of different comic series similar to New Avengers, Avengers: Initiative, etc. That's like saying Gypsy should be on any Justice League Team, which is clearly untrue. I feel the pain as far as team building, but that doesn't make it so.

[canaaron]

If you're not worrying about generics, fine, but it's kinda what he did. Would you leave it off Mantis or Taskmaster? For that matter, there ought to be an Archer keyword.

In the case of the JLA, it more like the difference between Cap's Kooky Quartet and Chuck Austen's Avengers-- completely different rosters from a completely era-- only in this case, they have a slightly different name (Justice League of America, Justice League, JLI, JLA). Which wouldn't be so annoying, except they got a whole mess of them wrong. If they're just given them all one "JLA" keyword and let they players make up the accurate rosters, all would be well.

It's not the same thing as Young Avengers, WCA, as those were splinter teams. JLA has those too, but I'm just talking about the main JLA team from any era. The plinter teams JL Europe, JL Task Force, Young Justice, JL Elite-- they did OK with those.

Oh, another rant-- Green Lantern villains. 2 key ones lack any keyword at all (Star Sapphire and Black Hand). It's not even clear which SS it's supposed to be, since she has a team ability but the original was never on any team, but should have Coast City. The other one it might be should be Secret Society of Super Villains.

dang, guess i'm too slow

[Sentinel25]

Why does Rachel Summers (Baby Phoenix) have the Past keyword, and not the Future keyword? Isn't she from...the future? I know that the Hound figure does, but the figure is awful and doesn't have the X-men keyword, and thus doesn't make for a good replacement.

I don't even want to get into the fact that Rachel Summers was a founding member of Excalibur and deserves that keyword as well. I'd love to play a theme-accurate Excalibur team with figures that actually share the keyword. That would be nice.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

My point is that they got the actual teams wrong. You cannout buld a "JLA" roster using keywords, several key members have the "Justice League of America" keyword instead, when "JLA" was the only team they had been on.

It would be like giving Mockingbird "New Avengers." (tell me she didn't actually belong on that team)


In my mind, it's the most egregious mess up of the Keyword mechanic, since it affects several iterations of one of the most popular teams in comics.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

While I am at it--

A whole bunch of Flash villains who were often enemies of the Rogues have the Rogues keyword.

Many members of the Society lack the keyword, including Alex Luthor who led them!

Oddly, Suicide Squad is mostly OK (except for Chemo).

[Kon`El]

One of the problems with splitting the JLA up so much is that who goes on what team is far to complex to assign without reading every issue of each title. There are too many characters who aren't thought of as having been a part of a specific period but were actually there for a few issues here and there.

It fills me with nerd rage that we don't have a single Martian Manhunter with the JLA keyword.

[xer0sum]

It is an absolute travesty to all Iron Man fans that this Iron Man incorrectly has the Avengers keyword. It should have the West Coast Avengers keyword.

In the name of comic-book accuracy, I use him on my WCA teams at the expense of any keyword bonuses.[/I]


Hahahaha.

I appreciate that I'm on a forum debating rules about my dollies that are painted like superheroes, but we really just have given up on cool haven't we?

[RavenProject]

It fills me with nerd rage that we don't have a single Martian Manhunter with the JLA keyword.
Martian Manhunter is one of the pieces that was mistakenly given "Justice League" rather than "JLA." (Origin V and LE) Ignatz_Mouse brought this up earlier.

Origin E Steel and Green Arrow (Connor Hawke) were similarly mislabeled.

The Justice League of America/JLA/Justice League split was one of those things that was so bizarre I've assumed it was a mandate from DC Comics rather than a decision from game design.

-J

[imaleximsweet]

i think Absorbing man got the Wrecking Crew Keyword because he is close friends with the Wrecker (i think i remember someone saying)

and because of this i have accepted him being close enough friends to work with the rest of the wrecking crew (without Absorbing man its hard to fill out a theme team and get bonus)

but idk much about Absorbing man and the wrecking crew.

[eagletsi]

Ultimate Phoenix - is Rachel Summers, not Jean Grey.

She was on Excalibur for 2 years, and should have nothing to do with the hell fire club.

They need to fix this, she was a staple of Excalibur since it's begining, but doesn't have the keyword.

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

i think Absorbing man got the Wrecking Crew Keyword because he is close friends with the Wrecker (i think i remember someone saying)

And this is a completely idiotic reason to assign the keyword. So he showed up at a Wrecking Crew members wedding and had a piece of wedding cake so we'll give him the keyword. Damn, he at the cake too, so now we have to give him he baker keyword, because he at some cake, so he must know how to bake one.

If I came to to your wedding, does that make me your brother and co-worker?

While we are at, let's give Iron Monger the Avengers keyword... after all, he once was a good friend of Tony Stark.

Or we can give Bucky the Avengers keyword, because he hung out with Cap and was his sidekick

Let's give Nick Fury the Avengers keyword too, because he's a Ranger in the U.S. Army, and so is Captain America, and since they are fishing buddies, damn, that qualifies Nick for the Avengers keyword.

I could on and one.

The bottom line: Absorbing Man does not deserve the Wrecking Crew keyword, and he's missing the two very important ones that he should have, as a veteran figure: Frightful Four and Masters of Evil.

[Bullseen]

And this is a completely idiotic reason to assign the keyword. So he showed up at a Wrecking Crew members wedding and had a piece of wedding cake so we'll give him the keyword. Damn, he at the cake too, so now we have to give him he baker keyword, because he at some cake, so he must know how to bake one.

If I came to to your wedding, does that make me your brother and co-worker?

While we are at, let's give Iron Monger the Avengers keyword... after all, he once was a good friend of Tony Stark.

Or we can give Bucky the Avengers keyword, because he hung out with Cap and was his sidekick

Let's give Nick Fury the Avengers keyword too, because he's a Ranger in the U.S. Army, and so is Captain America, and since they are fishing buddies, damn, that qualifies Nick for the Avengers keyword.

I could on and one.

The bottom line: Absorbing Man does not deserve the Wrecking Crew keyword, and he's missing the two very important ones that he should have, as a veteran figure: Frightful Four and Masters of Evil.

Whoa man, thats not really fair.

Now I don't really know jack about the Wreaking Crew, but I think some characters should get certain Keywords for "hanging out" with them, like how SI Spider-man has Fantastic Four. I would also like to think that they made a Ant-Man II - Scott Lang, they would aslo give him Fantastic Four.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

The Marvel family can't be on a theme team together, despite the fact that they probably fight more together than on any other team. They should all have Fawcett City, but they do not.

All the version of Alan Scott should have Gotham City, though this doesn't bug me too much, as he has no business on a team with the joker.

Only one version of Beast has teh Avengers keyword, and it's his Rookie (who ought to be X-Men only). Hank was an Avenger for about a decade, yet he does't get this representation.

Cyborg Superman is missing the Sinestro Corps keyword on his Vet... Manhunters are *all* missing the Manhunter keyword!


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We really can play this game all day. It's why as judge I let players vet their teams for a Theme Bonus ahead of time, if they have an actual comic theme. They don't get any other keyword advantages, but at least they will get the theme bonus.

[Old Purple Puss]

It is an absolute travesty to all Iron Man fans that this Iron Man incorrectly has the Avengers keyword. It should have the West Coast Avengers keyword.



you know the phrase absolute travesty gets thrown around so much that sometimes it loses it's meaning, but i'm going to have to go ahead and agree with you 100% on this one.

ABSOLUTE TRAVESTY :angry: :a-fist:

[Batmandu]

I'd like them to clean up Polaris' keywords -

The Experienced one has the X-Factor keyword, yet the dial clearly represents her secondary mutation power-set, which she lost in the Muir Island Saga (set directly before she joined PAD's X-Facter).

By the logic that the Experienced figure is her just before joining X-Factor, the only one that should have the X-Factor keyword is the Veteran.

Guess which is the only one in the REV that doesn't have the X-Factor keyword..?

[cattmoe]

It still burns me up that the Exiles Sasquatch - which is clearly the Exiles version - doesn't have the Exiles keyword.

Or that neither Sauron or Omega Red have Weapon X.

There are probably more, but those are the ones that stand out.

[Puuka]

It still burns me up that the Exiles Sasquatch - which is clearly the Exiles version - doesn't have the Exiles keyword.

Or that neither Sauron or Omega Red have Weapon X.

There are probably more, but those are the ones that stand out.
Sauron should also have the Brotherhood of Mutants keyword for his time on Toad's Brotherhood
There is also the matter of Spiral that should have the Freedom Force keyword for her time with that team.

[Maraud]

Just glad that you can house rule any figure to have any Keywords.

[tyroman]

no version of the Angel has the Champions keyword, and he founded the team. :p costume/sculpt wise DR Angel is closest except for the blue skin.

[Mr_Nobody]

Please tell me why the only version with the JSA TA is the only one without the keyword, and please tell me why the exp has mystical but the vet has the Mystics TA!

Also, characters like si Elektra who have "Hand" instead of "The Hand" or cj Donna Troy who has "Titans" instead of "Teen Titans" need to be fixed (if they have been fixed already, then they need to be fixed in our database).

Well, all members of Infinity Inc got the JSA TA (just like all members of the Young Avengers got the Avengers TA).
There is absolutely nothing wrong with the rookie obsidians keywords/TA.
I'd have probably given the Vet the Mystical keyword in addition to the Exp having it, but the Rookie is spot on correct.

Far as Donna Troy having a Titans keyword- this version of donna was raised by Titans (of the ancient greek variety). Its entirely possible the Keyword is right- we just don't have any other ancient greek Titans to theme her with yet.

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

Whoa man, thats not really fair.

Now I don't really know jack about the Wreaking Crew, but I think some characters should get certain Keywords for "hanging out" with them, like how SI Spider-man has Fantastic Four. I would also like to think that they made a Ant-Man II - Scott Lang, they would aslo give him Fantastic Four.

Actually, Spidey wasn't just hanging out with the Fantastic Four. He was an actual card carrying member of the Fantastic Four. He joined in Fantastic Four #374.

Ant-Man II, a.k.a. Scott Lang was an actual card carrying member of the Fantastic Four as well. He joined in Fantastic Four #384.

So, they were actual members, and deserve the keyword.

You are comparing apples and oranges. Again, Absorbing Man was never, has never, and most likely, won't ever, be a part of the Wrecking Crew. He's never been a card carrying member. He's never been an associate member. He's never been an honorary member. He's never been a member period. Hence, I stick to my argument. He doesn't deserve or warrant the Wrecking Crew keyword.

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

Only one version of Beast has teh Avengers keyword, and it's his Rookie (who ought to be X-Men only). Hank was an Avenger for about a decade, yet he does't get this representation

You so get rep for this. If I could rep you ten times over, I would.

I have #####ed and moaned that the Beast doesn't get the Avengers TA or the keyword, and the Rookie gets the keyword? Makes no sense. Does the game designers even read comic books? No, really, that is a serious question. The Beast as an integral part of the Avengers probably longer than he was an X-Man in his early years.

[dakin]

I have only two keyword complaints; 1. Black Mask REV- Missing Gotham City Keyword.... Actually any keywords... 2. Legacy Vet Joker - Metropolis.... METROPOLIS?! No Gotham City at all??? Just as bad a NGN Superman...

[theavengerthor]

Mistakes were made. Clearly. Would it be nice if Wizkids went back and cleaned up all the old keywords? Sure it would. Would I like it if Phyla-Vell had the Kree keyword? Of course.

But none of it really matters if you have a judge worth his salt. All my players have to do is clear their theme teams with me ahead of time and its all good. I would never deny a keyword team request if the team had its roots firmly planted in comics history. Rachel was on a team with Nightcrawler, not Sebastion Shaw. Cable took the New Mutants under his wing. He never taught the New Warriors. And if your judge isn't well versed enough to make these appropriate calls, just take a copy of your favorite issue to the event with you or print a team roster off of Marvel.com. Ask nicely, and none of this should really be a problem.

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

you know the phrase absolute travesty gets thrown around so much that sometimes it loses it's meaning, but i'm going to have to go ahead and agree with you 100% on this one.

ABSOLUTE TRAVESTY :angry: :a-fist:

Thanks! I agree that you agree with me. It pains me much that Iron Man is my fave, and he got shafted on this figure. I still roll him on my WCA teams, at the expense of the keyword. I'm using him on my WCA 500 point team this Friday. He's the only one on my team that doesn't have the WCA keyword.

I'd like them to clean up Polaris' keywords -

The Experienced one has the X-Factor keyword, yet the dial clearly represents her secondary mutation power-set, which she lost in the Muir Island Saga (set directly before she joined PAD's X-Facter).

By the logic that the Experienced figure is her just before joining X-Factor, the only one that should have the X-Factor keyword is the Veteran.

Guess which is the only one in the REV that doesn't have the X-Factor keyword..?

I agree with you 100% on Polaris, and I noticed this too. But in my Theme Team database (which can be seen by clicking my signature banner) I have Polaris broke down like this:

Rookie: X-Men
Experienced: X-Factor
Veteran: Horsemen of Apocalypse

It still burns me up that the Exiles Sasquatch - which is clearly the Exiles version - doesn't have the Exiles keyword.

Or that neither Sauron or Omega Red have Weapon X.

There are probably more, but those are the ones that stand out.

If you are talking about the MM Experienced Sasquatch, the white one, there is no doubt in my mind this is the Omniverse Exiles version from Earth-3470. It can't be the Earth-616 version based on the color of the fur.

In my theme team database, I have her (she's a black version of Heather Hudson from Earth-3470) on my Exiles team.

No doubt that both Sauron and Omega Red should have the Weapon X keyword. Also no doubt that Sauron should have the Brotherhood of Mutants Keyword. He was a member of the 4th Lineup of the BoM. I have him in my theme team database as such.

Sauron should also have the Brotherhood of Mutants keyword for his time on Toad's Brotherhood
There is also the matter of Spiral that should have the Freedom Force keyword for her time with that team.

Agree with Sauron. See my reply before this one. Also agree with you on Spiral. Her not having the Freedom Force keyword is just plain criminal, and a felony at that. In my theme team database, I have her listed on my Freedom Force team.

[Bullseen]

Actually, Spidey wasn't just hanging out with the Fantastic Four. He was an actual card carrying member of the Fantastic Four. He joined in Fantastic Four #374.

Ant-Man II, a.k.a. Scott Lang was an actual card carrying member of the Fantastic Four as well. He joined in Fantastic Four #384.

So, they were actual members, and deserve the keyword.

You are comparing apples and oranges. Again, Absorbing Man was never, has never, and most likely, won't ever, be a part of the Wrecking Crew. He's never been a card carrying member. He's never been an associate member. He's never been an honorary member. He's never been a member period. Hence, I stick to my argument. He doesn't deserve or warrant the Wrecking Crew keyword.

Now I can't vouch for Spidey or (Never read that comic :p) but Scott Lang was totally never an "Official Member" of the Fantastic Four, he just kind of filled in for them as the Technical Advisor when Mr. Fantastic while he was gone.

Now I don't really know much about Absorbing Man or the Wrecking Crew, so I'll take your word for it that he was never affiliated with them.

[Nickel97]

Just reconcile yourself to the idea that "Keyword" (mechanic) /= "Theme" (individual personal standard of who can play with whom and still be "comics accurate" OR have some common bond). I like to play theme when I can, though it doesn't always line up with an official Keyword.

[pseudosoldier]

As this isn't Rules related (there's no real question here, right?), wouldn't it be more appropriate in the "Theme Team & Keyword Discussion" sub-forum?

I feel your pain on some of the more obvious gaffes in the list, though.

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

Now I can't vouch for Spidey or (Never read that comic :p) but Scott Lang was totally never an "Official Member" of the Fantastic Four, he just kind of filled in for them as the Technical Something-or-rather when Mr. Fantastic while he was gone, and only for like three issues.

Now I don't really know much about Absorbing Man or the Wrecking Crew, so I'll take your word for it that he was never affiliated with them.

He was their technical advisor. However, Marvel.com has him listed as a card carrying FF member, and so does the Official Handbook to the Marvel Universe.

Just like Jarvis is the Avengers' butler, but he is a card carrying member of the team as well. So is Rick Jones.

Again, Absorbing Man doesn't have a card, won't have a card, and couldn't get a card if he wanted one. He's as much a part of the Wrecking Crew as Iron Man or Thor is.

Just reconcile yourself to the idea that "Keyword" (mechanic) /= "Theme" (individual personal standard of who can play with whom and still be "comics accurate" OR have some common bond). I like to play theme when I can, though it doesn't always line up with an official Keyword.

I agree with your statement on this. I don't let keywords sway me away from playing 'theme' teams though. If I don't get keyword, so be it.

As this isn't Rules related (there's no real question here, right?), wouldn't it be more appropriate in the "Theme Team & Keyword Discussion" sub-forum?

I feel your pain on some of the more obvious gaffes in the list, though.

I originally posted it here because it was rules related, as trying to press for an actual errata on these issues.

However, this thread seems to have evolved into a keyword / theme team discussion.

So before it gets moved... Arbiter! Please take this into consideration! We want accurate keywords! Please! :)

[ophyjgjhnfn]

Or we can give Bucky the Avengers keyword, because he hung out with Cap and was his sidekick

Actually, I can see this as a legitimate mistake on someone's part. I did not even hear about the Invaders until Avengers (the set) came out and I "caught 'em all". Frankly, I always thought that Cap being in Avengers meant that his sidekick was, probably, in some version at one point as well.

Not that this remotely gives excuse to giving out the keyword. *shudder* Please no one read this post and hand out the Avengers keyword to a future Bucky. Unless... a future comic Bucky drops the Cap moniker and takes back his own and then joins the Avengers. Yeah. He can have it...

[Roderic_Cliche]

Vet Jean Grey (IC/Universe) has X-Force instead of X-Factor? Has Jean ever been on X-Force?

People have mentioned Exp Cable, Exp Sasquatch, REV Black Mask already.

What other teams has the Exiles Mimic been on? They gave Morph Avengers, Exiles, and X-Men, but was Mimic on any other team? They might have done this because this is a Vet Mimic, if I recall right, from the time in the Exiles books when he was wearing the Tallus (mid-20s, at least, according to the trade I have over yonder), so it might be appropriate that Mimic at THAT time only has Exiles keyword.

How about giving Mojo, Spiral, Longshot, an unmade E/V Dazzler, an unmade Major Domo, and whoever else (X-Babies? Warwolves?) all a Mojoverse keyword? This way, you could, y'know, play Mojo and Spiral together on theme. :)

[Kon`El]

There really should be a system in place to go back and update the keywords. Not just to fix mistakes but to add new keywords to figures who have joined teams since their release. Exp Valor (Mon El) needs to have Metropolis and Justice League added to his keywords. It isn't a huge deal for characters who are remade every few sets but there are a lot of figures out there where the one we have is probably the only one we will ever have.

[tom730]

I haven't actually done this, but I'm tempted to "House Rule" keywords at my venue.
Basically say, "you show how this figure represents this character at this period of time in this comic and presto-change-0, he now has the keyword!"

I've even considered it for customs - for example, they never made a Golden Age "Wizard" who was a mainstay of the Injustice Society. I have a custom I usually put on a "Abra Kadabra" base - I could just say, "Hey, it's all for fun - let's consider him to have the Injustice Society keyword!"

The keyword mechanic was a well-intentioned idea which got off-track fast and has so may holes in it that I'm really considering just allowing any reasonable combo!

Until there is actual "Organized Play" rules in effect, why not? As long as it's for fun and not just opening doors for even MORE keyword abuse!!!

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

Vet Jean Grey (IC/Universe) has X-Force instead of X-Factor? Has Jean ever been on X-Force?

What other teams has the Exiles Mimic been on? They gave Morph Avengers, Exiles, and X-Men, but was Mimic on any other team? They might have done this because this is a Vet Mimic, if I recall right, from the time in the Exiles books when he was wearing the Tallus (mid-20s, at least, according to the trade I have over yonder), so it might be appropriate that Mimic at THAT time only has Exiles keyword.

No, Jean Grey has never been a member of X-Force. I noticed this when I was adding her to my theme team database. I put the IC Vet version on my X-Factor team. I don't have the Universe version.

Since we are talking about Universe... I noticed that the Universe figs have the same dial as their counterparts from the older sets... but I noticed that some of them have separate keywords. This is pretty awesome, as it gives us more options.

I know the Mutant Mayhem Mimic is definitely the Earth-616 version.

The Mutations and Monsters version is the Omniverse Exiles version, and he hails from Earth-12. In his rookie years, he was a member of the Earth-12 version of the Brotherhood of Mutants, then became a member of the Earth-12 version of the X-Men, and even became the leader of this alternate team of X-Men. He then joined the Exiles.

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

I forgot to mention another glaring omission of a keyword: Hammer of Thor of Rookie Cap not having the Invaders keyword. That's bad, really bad. He could technically have the All-Winners Squad keyword as well. In the early days, it was Steve Rogers on the All-Winners Squad, then it was later ret-conned to be another person.. Nylund or Mace? I don't remember.

[Kon`El]

In the early days, it was Steve Rogers on the All-Winners Squad, then it was later ret-conned to be another person.. Nylund or Mace? I don't remember.
Retcons altering the line up of teams from years gone by are a keyword nightmare.

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

Retcons altering the line up of teams from years gone by are a keyword nightmare.

You're not joking. Especially with Bendis thinking he has to re-write the entire Marvel history every week. As you can tell, I'm not a Bendis fan, or a Quesada fan for that matter.

But in their defense, they weren't in control of the Invaders / All-Winners Squad ret-con, which was kind of a necessary retcon.

[Quebbster]

If you are talking about the MM Experienced Sasquatch, the white one, there is no doubt in my mind this is the Omniverse Exiles version from Earth-3470. It can't be the Earth-616 version based on the color of the fur.
Well, there has been a white colored Sasquatch on Alpha Flight... When Snowbird assumed a Sasquatch form her fur was white, and when Walter Langkowski took over her body (and became Wanda Langkowski...) he also had white fur.
However, had it been either of those Sasquatches the TA would be Avengers, not X-men, and there should not be Support on the dial, so I agree Exiles Heather Hudson is the most likely suspect.

So before it gets moved... Arbiter! Please take this into consideration! We want accurate keywords! Please! :)
Without saying to much... The issue has been brought up for discussion in the Deputies forum (and well before this thread I might add - it's not the first time the issue has been brought up. :)). It's not a high priority, but it is something we'd like to do when we find the time.
Personally, I think we should settle for an updated keyword list for the cardless sets as updating keywords on character cards is a little iffy... but that's just my opinion. We'll see how it turns out.

[pseudosoldier]

Without saying to much... The issue has been brought up for discussion in the Deputies forum (and well before this thread I might add - it's not the first time the issue has been brought up. :)). It's not a high priority, but it is something we'd like to do when we find the time.
Personally, I think we should settle for an updated keyword list for the cardless sets as updating keywords on character cards is a little iffy... but that's just my opinion. We'll see how it turns out.

Great news that it is at least being considered. As such, perhaps this discussion should turn into a "we believe these keywords to be wrong, and these to be missing, and these to be misspelled..."

And I can't give you rep for the good tidings. Ah, well.

[Quebbster]

Great news that it is at least being considered. As such, perhaps this discussion should turn into a "we believe these keywords to be wrong, and these to be missing, and these to be misspelled..."

And I can't give you rep for the good tidings. Ah, well.

Well, there are a lot of threads on the topic already. :) If we ever get around to doing this there's bound to be plenty of material out there...

[vlad3theimpaler]

I don't know if this one has been brought up, but Si 48a Elektra should have "The Hand" as her keyword, instead of "Hand."

[Drunky]

I don't know if this one has been brought up, but Si 48a Elektra should have "The Hand" as her keyword, instead of "Hand."

It's been corrected in the latest Player's Guide :
"#048a Elektra
[...]
The first keyword is "The Hand"."

[vlad3theimpaler]

It's been corrected in the latest Player's Guide :
"#048a Elektra
[...]
The first keyword is "The Hand"."

What version of the player's guide is this from. I looked at both the one here, which is dated from 2008, and the one on the wizkids site from December of 2009. All I see for Elektra is
#048a Elektra
 Elektra’s trait says: “Elektra possesses the Hydra team
symbol. She doesn’t possess the Skrulls team symbol.”
#048b Elektra
 Elektra’s trait says: “Elektra possesses the Skrulls team
symbol. She doesn’t possess the Hydra team symbol.”
 Elektra has the keywords “Skrulls, Spy”
Where is the keyword correction for Hand/The Hand?

[vlad3theimpaler]

Nevermind, I found a link to the newer version at the bottom of one of Norm's posts. I wish whoever does the Wizkids site would make those easier to find.

[Kon`El]

It's been corrected in the latest Player's Guide :
"#048a Elektra
[...]
The first keyword is "The Hand"."

Needs to be updated in the units section then.

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

What version of the player's guide is this from. I looked at both the one here, which is dated from 2008, and the one on the wizkids site from December of 2009. All I see for Elektra is

Where is the keyword correction for Hand/The Hand?

Here is the newest version of the Player's Guide (January 31, 2010 version):

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[theavengerthor]

I was thinking of writing up a comprehensive list of necessary and/or highly suggested keyword revisions. Is this something the RA and his deputies are still considering? If I was to compile a full/near full list of keyword issues from threads such as this one, would there still be any chance of getting these officially errataed? Or has this issue been tabled?

[Quebbster]

I was thinking of writing up a comprehensive list of necessary and/or highly suggested keyword revisions. Is this something the RA and his deputies are still considering? If I was to compile a full/near full list of keyword issues from threads such as this one, would there still be any chance of getting these officially errataed? Or has this issue been tabled?
Not much have happened with the "updated keywords" project - we have had lots of other, more urgent, things to do.
As for making a list for us... I'm a bit torn on the issue, quite frankly. On one hand, it would be nice to not have to do all the legwork for ourselves. On the other hand, I know there are several lists like that in existence already - Al's Clix Cave has one, VGA another. (I haven't read either of the lists by the way). Should we just pick one of them, and then which one? Why not the other(s)?

Plus, I'm not sure WK even has the old keyword document anymore - it is not in the Dowloads section of the website, at least. If the document needs to be recreated, that means a bigger investment of work time that may be better spent on more current projects - particularly since the keyword lists only affect Golden age games.

But hey, feel free to write something up anyway - at the very least you could post it here on the Realms. :)