Brave and the Bold Sizzle Sheet

[Madox]

Been on the forums for years but never posted... but this information was too good to keep to myself.

For those who might be interested... :classic:

Brave and the Bold Sizzle Sheet

• Duos- Building off of the buzz of the most successful HeroClix figure of all-time, World’s Finest, Brave & The Bold brings high-profile Duo figures to the fore. In addition to having Duo figures at each rarity, all Super Rares in Brave & The Bold are team-ups of top-flight DC characters, such as Superman and Flash, Batman and Green Arrow, and Shazam! and Black Adam.
• Alter Egos- For the first time in its history, iconic DC Alter Egos such as Bruce Wayne, Clark, and Diana Prince appear in HeroClix boosters. The figures don’t stand alone, however, Alter Egos have the ability to change into their more famous superhero counterparts. That’s right, in game, players can change from Clark Kent into the powerful Superman!
• Army Building- Continuing the popular mechanics found in Hammer of Thor, Brave & The Bold features soldier and general units that help players use their entire collections of existing figures. Using keywords, the soldiers and generals can support figures from past HeroClix sets, allowing for creative army building from all of HeroClix’s history. Armies featured in the set include: the dangerous Batman enemies The League of Assassins, the strong and noble Amazons, the clandestine Checkmate operatives, and the powerful Apokolips alien Parademons. Here are some examples of Army Builders and the figures from previous sets that work in conjunction with these figures
• Parademon: Plays well with Lashina (Arkham) and Darkseid (Crisis)
• Checkmate: Plays well with Amanda Waller, Count Vertigo, and the thinker (Arkham), as well as Roy Harper and Red Arrow (Crisis)
• Amazon: Plays well with Wonder Woman from (Arkham) and both WW from (Justice League), as well as both Wonder Girls and Donna Troy from
(Crisis).
• League Assassin: Plays well with Man Bat Assassin (Arkham), as well as
Talia and Ra's Al Ghul from (Batman Alpha), and Batgirl from (Crisis). Also
Merlyn and Bronze Tiger (a top tournament piece) from (Justice League).
• Holiday: Plays well with 12 different characters from (Arkham)
• “Silver Bullets”- Brave & The Bold features three “silver bullet” characters
that players can use to shut down opposing players’ strategies.
• Kryptonite Man works well against Supergirl and both "chase" Superman
from Crisis, as well as the two Supermen in (Justice League) and several
other figures in the current Brave and the Bold set.
• Kid Zoom plays well against 15 DC characters from Justice League -
Arkham, including many top tournament pieces like Flash, Black Adam,
and Superman. He also plays well against 20+ Marvel characters from
Avengers - Hammer of Thor, including top tournament pieces like Skrull
Ms. Marvel.
• Talia counter balances 8 characters from Arkham, including both "chase"
Batman, and Robin, Batgirl, and Captain Gordon as well as 3 Batmans
from Justice League
• Extant (the dimension-travelling villain) destroys armies that use multiple
copies of the same figure.
These silver bullet figures will be must have support pieces for any serious
tournament player.
• “Upgrade”- Another exciting new, non-duo mechanic debuting in the Brave & The Bold set is “Upgrade.” Two figures in the set can “level-up,” after KOing an opposing figure. By leveling, players can switch a low-pointed character into a higher-pointed more dangerous version of that character. This mechanic encourages players to use more pieces in their collection, and rewards competitive, aggressive gameplay.
• Powerful Villains- Finally, in order to battle the powerful heroic duos in the set, Brave & The Bold features powerful high-point villains that can stand toe-to-toe with the duos. Characters such as Braniac, Metallo, and Ra’s Al-Ghul have the power needed to battle the top heroes in the DC universe.

[get_1]

Fake? :ermm:

*looks at post count*

Although it would be a well-crafted hoax. A lot of stuff matches up with what we know. i.e. Extant's purported ability and the "Mystery Card" power that let you damage all figures with the same name (Interdimensional Warp?)

[charlesx]

Wow! Where this did come from? Rep to you!!

[songwriterz]

Whence came this information?

[Granite Moose]

• “Upgrade”- Another exciting new, non-duo mechanic debuting in the Brave & The Bold set is “Upgrade.” Two figures in the set can “level-up,” after KOing an opposing figure. By leveling, players can switch a low-pointed character into a higher-pointed more dangerous version of that character. This mechanic encourages players to use more pieces in their collection, and rewards competitive, aggressive gameplay.

(Assuming this is real information) Not very excited about this mechanic. I'll have to wait and see what it encompases, but it doesn't work for me at first blush.

[anonym0use]

I'm tempted to believe this is 100% real, based on other information I have.

[cambone]

If all that is true, my excitement level for this set increased a lot, and now I have to figure out ways to scrounge up some cash. Anybody want some of my blood?

[Ignatz_Mouse]

Smells real to me.

Who the heck is Holiday? An upgrade to Calendar Man?

[anonym0use]

Smells real to me.

Who the heck is Holiday? An upgrade to Calendar Man?

From the Long Halloween?

[TimoSupremo]

...• “Silver Bullets”- Brave & The Bold features three* “silver bullet” characters
that players can use to shut down opposing players’ strategies.
• Kryptonite Man works well against Supergirl and both "chase" Superman
from Crisis, as well as the two Supermen in (Justice League) and several
other figures in the current Brave and the Bold set.
• Kid Zoom plays well against 15 DC characters from Justice League -
Arkham, including many top tournament pieces like Flash, Black Adam,
and Superman. He also plays well against 20+ Marvel characters from
Avengers - Hammer of Thor, including top tournament pieces like Skrull
Ms. Marvel.
• Talia counter balances 8 characters from Arkham, including both "chase"
Batman, and Robin, Batgirl, and Captain Gordon as well as 3 Batmans
from Justice League
• Extant (the dimension-travelling villain) destroys armies that use multiple
copies of the same figure...

* I'm skeptical due to the fact that he can't count... :noid:

[RavenProject]

I'll give you this much, if it's a fake you did a good job making it plausible.

However, please understand that we will need to know your source before considering it "true."

-J

[anonym0use]

Extant's SP: Multi-Dimensional Attack: when Extant attacks an opposing figure damage dealt from the attack is dealt to all opposing characters with the name of the character being attacked.

[spike1138]

Interesting first post... both for this thread and for the person who posted it.

[snatreaper]

Smells real to me.

Who the heck is Holiday? An upgrade to Calendar Man?

Holiday is from the Long Halloween.

As for credibility, this would have more credence coming from comical, but I'm still sort of inclined to believe it anyway. Although if some of this stuff is true, they're going about previewing this set all wrong.

I find it hilarious that this set was born out of the artificial popularity of World's Finest. That really explains a lot.

I'm excited to hear about the army figures, and some of the "high priced villains" but everything else just has me dreading this set. This is going to be an easy one for me to cherry pick, with the possible exception of the army figures.

[neilr1]

Superman and the Flash duo!? Parademons!? Talia and Ra's!? PREVIEWS!

[Miraclo]

It has the soulless, manic patter of a promoter, so to that extent it seemed barely believable. Still, it strikes me as over-playing matters by putting in too many developments, particularly "Upgrade." In several respects I'm hoping it's just someone's spirited attempt rather than reality. If so, nicely done!

Word of more generics, especially ones built with their multiple use in mind, helps boost my interest in the set.

It references three "silver bullet" characters but then seems to talk about four..?

Anyway, the first two list items (Duos and Alter Egos), which we at least know are true, still sound less to me like "sizzle" and more like a urinal in use.

[snatreaper]

Superman and the Flash duo!? Parademons!? Talia and Ra's!? PREVIEWS!

See, that's one of the things that make me skeptical. Why bother saying the League of Assassin figure works well with the Batman Alpha versions of Talia and Ra's if they're both in this set. That comment really doesn't make any sense (and really that could be expanded to most/all of the army figures).

[Miraclo]

I find it hilarious that this set was born out of the artificial popularity of World's Finest. That really explains a lot.

Ha! Nicely noted.

[Milo Garret]

ALL SRs are duos? Definitely trading for this set. First time I have not bought a brick/case since Critical Mass. It'll actually save me money when money is tight, so in essence I should be thankful that I do not desire any of the SRs.

[wonderboy8917]

* I'm skeptical due to the fact that he can't count... :noid:

I was thinking the same thing. :noid:

[CheeseWiz]

Smells real to me.

Who the heck is Holiday? An upgrade to Calendar Man?

I'm assuming it's a reference to the Holiday Killer from the Long Halloween graphic novel.

Oops. Already answered. That's what I get for not 'refreshing' before posting (hey, I got sidetracked! Oooh, Shiny, gotta go . . .).

[Deadpool55]

A new Metallo would be awesome.

The upgrade system doesn't sound exciting though.

I guess we'll see if this is real info or not in less than a month.

[wonderboy8917]

If this is real, which I'm not sure it is yet, maybe that "upgrade" thing is the reason we can see two point values on the Shazam / Black Adam duo.

[llyrghmnghyll]

O.K. It might not be true,

But I'm now very excited about Extant, Parademons, Checkmate Agents, Ras al Gul, and dozens of other promoters.

While it certainly does have the stench of promoter, I'm still excited, if for no other reason than I have no reason not to be excited.

If indeed a hoax - extremely well crafted.
But, If a promoter, why not just post it as directly from WK/NECA. Even if it's Supposedly Realms exclusive material, just say "From NECA, Heres some Realms Exclusive info"

So I don't really know.

[Deadpool55]

I'm tempted to believe this is 100% real, based on other information I have.

Other information??????

Feel free to send me a PM with that!!!

[Repulsor rage]

I remember being so starved for info under the Tuttle rule that I enjoyed fake posts. Although this was pretty funny

[songwriterz]

Been on the forums for years but never posted... but this information was too good to keep to myself.

For those who might be interested... :classic:

Brave and the Bold Sizzle Sheet

• Duos- Building off of the buzz of the most successful HeroClix figure of all-time, World’s Finest, Brave & The Bold brings high-profile Duo figures to the fore. In addition to having Duo figures at each rarity, all Super Rares in Brave & The Bold are team-ups of top-flight DC characters, such as Superman and Flash, Batman and Green Arrow, and Shazam! and Black Adam.
• Alter Egos- For the first time in its history, iconic DC Alter Egos such as Bruce Wayne, Clark, and Diana Prince appear in HeroClix boosters. The figures don’t stand alone, however, Alter Egos have the ability to change into their more famous superhero counterparts. That’s right, in game, players can change from Clark Kent into the powerful Superman!
• Army Building- Continuing the popular mechanics found in Hammer of Thor, Brave & The Bold features soldier and general units that help players use their entire collections of existing figures. Using keywords, the soldiers and generals can support figures from past HeroClix sets, allowing for creative army building from all of HeroClix’s history. Armies featured in the set include: the dangerous Batman enemies The League of Assassins, the strong and noble Amazons, the clandestine Checkmate operatives, and the powerful Apokolips alien Parademons. Here are some examples of Army Builders and the figures from previous sets that work in conjunction with these figures
• Parademon: Plays well with Lashina (Arkham) and Darkseid (Crisis)
• Checkmate: Plays well with Amanda Waller, Count Vertigo, and the thinker (Arkham), as well as Roy Harper and Red Arrow (Crisis)
• Amazon: Plays well with Wonder Woman from (Arkham) and both WW from (Justice League), as well as both Wonder Girls and Donna Troy from
(Crisis).
• League Assassin: Plays well with Man Bat Assassin (Arkham), as well as
Talia and Ra's Al Ghul from (Batman Alpha), and Batgirl from (Crisis). Also
Merlyn and Bronze Tiger (a top tournament piece) from (Justice League).
• Holiday: Plays well with 12 different characters from (Arkham)
• “Silver Bullets”- Brave & The Bold features three “silver bullet” characters
that players can use to shut down opposing players’ strategies.
• Kryptonite Man works well against Supergirl and both "chase" Superman
from Crisis, as well as the two Supermen in (Justice League) and several
other figures in the current Brave and the Bold set.
• Kid Zoom plays well against 15 DC characters from Justice League -
Arkham, including many top tournament pieces like Flash, Black Adam,
and Superman. He also plays well against 20+ Marvel characters from
Avengers - Hammer of Thor, including top tournament pieces like Skrull
Ms. Marvel.
• Talia counter balances 8 characters from Arkham, including both "chase"
Batman, and Robin, Batgirl, and Captain Gordon as well as 3 Batmans
from Justice League
• Extant (the dimension-travelling villain) destroys armies that use multiple
copies of the same figure.
These silver bullet figures will be must have support pieces for any serious
tournament player.
• “Upgrade”- Another exciting new, non-duo mechanic debuting in the Brave & The Bold set is “Upgrade.” Two figures in the set can “level-up,” after KOing an opposing figure. By leveling, players can switch a low-pointed character into a higher-pointed more dangerous version of that character. This mechanic encourages players to use more pieces in their collection, and rewards competitive, aggressive gameplay.
• Powerful Villains- Finally, in order to battle the powerful heroic duos in the set, Brave & The Bold features powerful high-point villains that can stand toe-to-toe with the duos. Characters such as Braniac, Metallo, and Ra’s Al-Ghul have the power needed to battle the top heroes in the DC universe.

1.) Batman and Green Arrow? But we've already seen GL/GA duo. Superman and Flash? But we've already seen "the Flashes" duo. (In addition to Kid Zoom and Inertia.)

= Lots of repetition in this set already!


2.) Alter Egos? If I start as Clark, but change to Supes, wouldn't I have to include both pieces in my build total? Only to remove one from the board at some point?

= Wasted build totals


3.) "Plays well with..."

= Thank goodness, cause none of my other clix get along very well.


4.) Upgrade. Supported by two separate point values on the Capt Marvel/Black Adam dial. But which value do I include in my build total. Not the smaller value, surely, because then I can overbuild my team with no penalty. Not the greater value because then I have to start out with a weak figure for the points.

= Serioulsy messed up. More info needed.


5.) Powerful villains. Whew - I was worried my Thanos might not be able to deal with that Batman/Catwoman duo!

= A complete lack of knowledge of the power of the villains currently found in Heroclix.

[Madox]

Wow, so many doubters out there....:angry:

[Munchoboy]

1.) Batman and Green Arrow? But we've already seen GL/GA duo. Superman and Flash? But we've already seen "the Flashes" duo. (In addition to Kid Zoom and Inertia.)

= Lots of repetition in this set already!


2.) Alter Egos? If I start as Clark, but change to Supes, wouldn't I have to include both pieces in my build total? Only to remove one from the board at some point?

= Wasted build totals


3.) "Plays well with..."

= Thank goodness, cause none of my other clix get along very well.


4.) Upgrade. Supported by two separate point values on the Capt Marvel/Black Adam dial. But which value do I include in my build total. Not the smaller value, surely, because then I can overbuild my team with no penalty. Not the greater value because then I have to start out with a weak figure for the points.

= Serioulsy messed up. More info needed.


5.) Powerful villains. Whew - I was worried my Thanos might not be able to deal with that Batman/Catwoman duo!

= A complete lack of knowledge of the power of the villains currently found in Heroclix.

I don't get it, you start an entire thread devoted to discussing the perceived lack of enthusiasm re: BatB compared to HoT, and the lack of support from DC fans in general for BatB, but when someone posts something (legit or not) seemingly to raise excitement, you poo-poo all over it? :rolleyes:

Doesn't make any sense to me. :noid:

Wow, so many doubters out there....:angry:


For my part, I would have an easier time believing the OP if you would just cite your source(s).

I think folk have just been fooled far too many times to accept anything less at this point. :ermm:

[llyrghmnghyll]

Wow, so many doubters out there....:angry:

We're nerds and Geeks. Doubting is what we do in between mouth breathing when we're not petitioning to restart Firefly. :laugh:

[RavenProject]

Wow, so many doubters out there....:angry:
Your very first post claims to drop a bombshell like this. Yes, we're doubtful.

If you could support your information with a reliable source, we'd be more inclined to believe you. Get a scan, or even a cellphone picture of the document and post it. If it's a presentation, post it.

None of us are saying you're *wrong,* just that you lack the credibility for us to take you seriously just yet.

-J

[sol]

Somehow I find myself believing this.

[maxwing]

Wow, so many doubters out there....:angry:

Okay. Help us out. Where did this information come from?

[dlinquent]

Wow, so many doubters out there....:angry:

There are always doubters.

I can see myself getting rid of every super rare in this set.

[Milo Garret]

Wow, so many doubters out there....:angry:

Then give them reason to not doubt you. Back up your info. Where does this come from?

[dlinquent]

Somehow I find myself believing this.

So do I :ermm:

[charlesx]

Want to eliminate the doubt? Reveal the source, please. :cool:

[anonym0use]

Want to eliminate the doubt? Reveal the source, please. :cool:

Yes, please - burn your source. Make sure we don't get scoops like this again. If you're lucky, you might even get someone fired. ;)



:cheeky:

[krusticlese]

I'm inclined to believe it because it keeps with the previous company's M.O. of overloading several new mechanics into each set since Avengers.

But I'll also politely ask, as others have done, if you might be able to provide details on where this info came from. If you are a viral poster for NECA, then I'm confused as to why you wouldn't just put the info on your website.

Either way, thanks for the info, and rep to you sir!

[dlinquent]

Yes, please - burn your source. Make sure we don't get scoops like this again. If you're lucky, you might even get someone fired. ;)



:cheeky:

Rep!!!!

to me this guy right until proven wrong.

[wintremute]

Wow, so many doubters out there....:angry:

Except for Miraclo...he's a "hater".

[flatmatt]

Assuming this is true (really needs a source), there's some good and some bad here for me. The new generics are pretty exciting. I've been trying to build a League of Assassins team for a while, but the one time I got to play it (with the new Hand Ninjas), it didn't do so well. Generic Assassins could be pretty exciting, as could the new Talia. The Legacy Talias are just a little too tame for their point cost, and the Alpha version, while a good deal, isn't exactly what I'd call an accurate interpretation. New parademons should also be exciting, particularly for the Secret Six!

As for the rest, though--silver bullets? Isn't the conventional wisdom that a major sign of a game being unbalanced is when they have to introduce big, obvious nerfy elements to counteract others? I know they've been doing this for years with BFCs, but they seemed to be getting away from that mold of BFC ever since. It just seems a little worrisome to be promoting them like this.

"Upgrade" (along with the yet-to-be-revealed alter ego mechanic) sounds like another one of the recent trend toward making my figures useless unless I have a particular super rare. I was fortunate enough to pull a Gert and Old Lace in Hammer of Thor, but playing the Warriors Two and the all-Fire Demon army hasn't been particularly appealing. So this has the potential to be a bit bothersome.

[RavenProject]

Yes, please - burn your source. Make sure we don't get scoops like this again. If you're lucky, you might even get someone fired. ;)



:cheeky:
The alternative is that later on he might get to say "told you so!" And if he comes along with another scoop in the future, he'll have some more credibility. Which is also cool.

-J

[Clickin'nutz!]

I'm just typing out loud here, but I highly doubt this person took all this time to type this out, if it was all made up, especially because he only has 2 posts total.

[charlesx]

Yes, please - burn your source. Make sure we don't get scoops like this again. If you're lucky, you might even get someone fired. ;)



:cheeky:

What, the guy can't hint about his source? Did he sign a NDA? Or are you willing to take on faith that he's well connected to Jeff's brother? :p

[Hellfire117]

I like the upgrade idea.

[hawkeye55]

Wow, so many doubters out there....:angry:

Welcome to HCRealms... you really must be new here.

[anonym0use]

If this is true, and like I said, I have reason to believe it is - I went from buying a brick to buying a case and then some. :)

That said, without any source (and I'm not asking for one!) it should be moved to the rumors section of HCrealms.

[spideyguy51]

More minions would be great. Especially if there are minion assassins that can fight against my hand ninjas from hammer of thor.

[sol]

If this is true, and like I said, I have reason to believe it is - I went from buying a brick to buying a case and then some. :)

That said, without any source (and I'm not asking for one!) it should be moved to the rumors section of HCrealms.

I still have no reason to go that far, for my money, mouse. All the cool stuff is not in SR category. :)

[The Vision]

I'd buy that for a dollar.

[wintremute]

I would like to point out that this thread IS in the RUMOR MILL.

I will validate the OP and give him 100% credibility that this does in fact fall into the "RUMOR" category.

[Bat-Dude]

I really want to believe Parademons, Metallo, and Talia...but are they going to look like carp?

Upgrade sounds like a kind of means to fight against alpha strike, which is that even a problem still, really?

I imagine it like this:

Use your higher cost to build your team. Start your game with your lower cost dial. If your character is KO-ed before you upgrade them, your opponent only gets the lower cost for KO-points.

[ibeatdrew]

Upgrade would be cool. GOes along with some scenarios I have written where you start with Rookies and power them up as they KO opponents.

[songwriterz]

I really want to believe Parademons, Metallo, and Talia...but are they going to look like carp?

Upgrade sounds like a kind of means to fight against alpha strike, which is that even a problem still, really?

I imagine it like this:

Use your higher cost to build your team. Start your game with your lower cost dial. If your character is KO-ed before you upgrade them, your opponent only gets the lower cost for KO-points.

If I can KO Clark to keep Supes off the board....I'll take that kill, reduced points or no.

IMO this would only encourage alpha strikes.

<oops, I confused "Upgrade" with "Alter Ego"...but my point remains valid, I think.>

[Hero_guy]

* I'm skeptical due to the fact that he can't count... :noid:

Yeah...I went back 3-4 times to make sure that I wasn't misreading something also. 3 Silver bullets, but 4 figures listed? That and the fact that the OP said he was a long time member but didn't post much....with a joined date of Dec 09? I dunno...>4 months doesn't seem that long to me. Then again, if its a new acct (created 4 months in advance) to post some info without giving leads to possible sources, then I guess I can buy that. Maybe.

I'll admit that alot of this info really got me going though. If this is true then there is much reason for rejoice for me. If we get a new mechanic article with most/all of these in there, then I'll be the guy doing cartwheels around his office building in the middle of the day. Yeah...I'll keep my expectations level for the time being, until we get confirmation of this stuff. Or I'll be severely disappointed if this is just a hoax thinking about what could have been.

[anonym0use]

I still have no reason to go that far, for my money, mouse. All the cool stuff is not in SR category. :)


The presence of generics I want (Amazons, Parademons) goes a long way to making me want to buy an extra booster here or there.

[sol]

The presence of generics I want (Amazons, Parademons) goes a long way to making me want to buy an extra booster here or there.

True, for what it's worth, I will actually buy a few boosters to go along with my possible upgrade to a CUR purchase.

[Jarimy123]

I believe most, if not all of it.

All of it also makes me a lot more interested in this set then before. This set was basically being chalked up to "left over #### set made quickly by the chick who made Pirates so we can make money" set. That should have been the name by the way, and fit if all on a booster.

Regardless, the ideas make this set plausable, and should end up making it a much better set than we all thought a "mostly duos" set would be.

This is a set where the generics and the other CUR will be more sought after than most of the SRs.

And any fools doubting it after A-mouse says he pretty much believes it, yes we know you saw Big Foot, the lochness monster, and wear tinfoil on your head at night so the government doesn't read your thoughts.

[thebigZZZZZ]

the info on all SRs being Duos is old, nothing new.

However, too many remakes! where are "25" new unseen characters? I see Flash and Superman, Batman and Green Arrow, Ra's, Talia, Parademons, Checkmate, Metallo, Wonder Woman/Diana Prince, and others...

We got new ones: Amazons (about time!), League Assassins (yes!), Kryptonite Man (hmmm), Holiday (who???), Extant....so who else besides Gizmo, Kid Zoom/Inertia?

Last one more thing - what about BATMOBILE!?!?!? No info on that? :confused:

[ghosta]

I'm kinda believing the OP. We knew there would be generics/minions. This is the first info about them. Those are generics a lot of us were waiting for too. Just remember how nobody believed the leaked list/dials for HOT when it came out. Turns out that, for the most part, was true. Hopefully some of this is true too.

[Shadow Giant]

Your uncle doesn't work at the Wizkids headquarters, does he? If not, then I'm more excited about the case I dropped good money on. If he does.....well, HOORAY FOR HEROCLIX!

[anonym0use]

However, too many remakes! where are "25" new unseen characters? :

From the sizzle sheet & Boneyards list...

The 25 never before clixed figures are bolded.

01. Diana Prince (AE)
02. Clark Kent (transforms into Superman)
03. Bruce Wayne (AE)
04. Batman (AE)
05. League Assassin # 1
06. Amazons # 2
07. Checkmate
08. Parademon
09. Hawkman and Atom
10. Wonder Woman (AE)
11. Clock King #3
12. Holiday # 4
13. Sand # 5
14. Killer Moth # 6 (classic)
15. Rag Doll (Suicide Squad) #7
16. Maxwell Lord #8
17. Superman (AE)
18. Ocean Master #9
19. Aquaman
20. Kryptonite Man #10
21. Star Boy #11
22. Invisible Kid #12
23. Ferro Lad #13
24. Gizmo # 14
25. Plastic Man
26. Duel Ekham (Sinestro Corps) #15
27. Cyclone #16
28. Libra #17
29. Kamandi #18
30. Bane
31. Brainiac
32. Silver Banshee #19
33. Celestial Archer #20
34. Warp #21
35. Power Girl
36. Martian Manhunter (JLI version)
37. Guy Gardner (GL)
38. Inertia #22
39. Talia
40. Extant #23
41. Metallo
42. Mon-El
43. Kid Zoom #24
44. Red Robin
45. Batman and Robin (Dick and Damien)
46. Cyborg and Changling/Beast Boy
47. The Flashes (duo)
48. Flash and Green Lantern (duo)
49. Green Arrow and Green Lantern (Hal) (duo)
50. Batman and Green Arrow
51. Superman & Flash (Who is the fastest man alive?)
52. Brainiac/Luthor ("What happened to the Man of Tomorrow"?) duo #25
53. Poison Ivy and Harley Quinn
54. Booster Gold and Blue Beetle
55. Shazam and Black Adam (duo)






FWIW _ I think there's still plenty of room for error on this speculative list. For instance, I expect to see more repaints of the same sculpt (Kid Zoom/Inertia). I realize Brainiac & Luthor aren't exactly new, (as well as Kamandi) but they really don't qualify IMO as remakes of any particular Brainiac/Luthor. I suppose I could be way off, as this list is mostly guesswork.

[kujonomore]

I'd like to believe it but the text sounds bogus...... I think wizkids can add

• “Silver Bullets”- Brave & The Bold features three “silver bullet” characters
that players can use to shut down opposing players’ strategies.
1) Kryptonite Man works well against Supergirl and both "chase" Superman
from Crisis, as well as the two Supermen in (Justice League) and several
other figures in the current Brave and the Bold set.
2) Kid Zoom plays well against 15 DC characters from Justice League -
Arkham, including many top tournament pieces like Flash, Black Adam,
and Superman. He also plays well against 20+ Marvel characters from
Avengers - Hammer of Thor, including top tournament pieces like Skrull
Ms. Marvel.
3) Talia counter balances 8 characters from Arkham, including both "chase"
Batman, and Robin, Batgirl, and Captain Gordon as well as 3 Batmans
from Justice League
4) Extant (the dimension-travelling villain) destroys armies that use multiple
copies of the same figure.
These silver bullet figures will be must have support pieces for any serious
tournament player.

edit: whoops took too long to post and someone beatme to it

[saturnflight]

Upgrade would explain 2 point values on Shazam!/Black Adam. Love the 'silver bullet' figs- Talia may be a must-have for Batman Enemies! And a remake of Metallo? Finally!

[Glen Quagmire]

However, too many remakes! where are "25" new unseen characters? I see Flash and Superman, Batman and Green Arrow, Ra's, Talia, Parademons, Checkmate, Metallo, Wonder Woman/Diana Prince, and others...


Yes, remakes, but remakes of figures not seen since the first three DC sets? Good as new to me.

[Jarimy123]

Yes the credibility of this "sheet" is complete #### now because it says 3 silver bullets, but 4 are listed... and there was a 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll!!!!! I was there!!!! I know it!

[Jarimy123]

Yes, remakes, but remakes of figures not seen since the first three DC sets? Good as new to me.

Yea I totally agree. There are a lot of figures I'd much rather have a remake made, then have a new figure I've never heard of. *COUGH* WOLVERINE *COUGH*

[songwriterz]

Yes the credibility of this "sheet" is complete #### now because it says 3 silver bullets, but 4 are listed... and there was a 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll!!!!! I was there!!!! I know it!

Yes, and it was the Comedian!

[Miraclo]

The presence of generics I want (Amazons, Parademons) goes a long way to making me want to buy an extra booster here or there.
It's definitely much more of a motivator than any chase piece would be.

[CheeseWiz]

The presence of generics I want (Amazons, Parademons) goes a long way to making me want to buy an extra booster here or there.

Quoted for sheer awesome truthiness. Also, it's the reason I believe the sizzle sheet, as I'm pretty sure I recall someone at WK/Neca saying they had played some of the BatB generics. So, bring me some more Parademons!!! Let's make Crisis Darkseid even better!!!

[FourthDemon]

I can't wait to see more minions and big villains for DC. I need more ways to beat down Superman.

[Miraclo]

Hey, I'm open for it. Some of the points are definitely making the set more interesting for me.

[Glen Quagmire]

* I'm skeptical due to the fact that he can't count... :noid:

Six days after the Power Girl incident, we can't cling to the idea that WK is always going to put out accurate info. ;)

[songwriterz]

Six days after the Power Girl incident, we can't cling to the idea that WK is always going to put out accurate info. ;)

<<<ZING!!!!>>>

[elfholme]

Last one more thing - what about BATMOBILE!?!?!? No info on that? :confused:

I heard they came to their senses and scrapped it.

Or maybe that was just wishful thinking on my part... :P

[thebigZZZZZ]

From the sizzle sheet & Boneyards list...

The 25 never before clixed figures are bolded.
*snip*

FWIW _ I think there's still plenty of room for error on this speculative list. For instance, I expect to see more repaints of the same sculpt (Kid Zoom/Inertia). I realize Brainiac & Luthor aren't exactly new, (as well as Kamandi) but they really don't qualify IMO as remakes of any particular Brainiac/Luthor. I suppose I could be way off, as this list is mostly guesswork.

heh....I only want the confirmed ones. :o:)

[Miraclo]

I heard they came to their senses and scrapped it.

Or maybe that was just wishful thinking on my part... :P Heh. Probably.

Since I believe we've seen one or two references to the "vehicle" keyword getting more of a workout soon. However, my impression all along was that the Batmobile was going to be a separately-marketed item, not something we were going to see as part of an expansion (ie pulled from a booster.) Maybe something late in the year?

[MaxFortune]

Wow, so many doubters out there....:angry:

Wow, so many liars out there.

Cite a source or deal with the flak.

[anonym0use]

The Amazing Kreskin puts the Amazon Warrior at 43 points. Just a rumor, mind you.

[songwriterz]

The Amazing Kreskin puts the Amazon Warrior at 43 points. Just a rumor, mind you.

Kreskin says he has Mind Control and Psychic Blast. His dial says he has an attack of 2, though.

oh....sad....

[Bat-Dude]

The Amazing Kreskin puts the Amazon Warrior at 43 points. Just a rumor, mind you.

Are you saying The Amazing Kreskin chose to post anonymousely?

[elfholme]

I hope this info is legit, as I'd love to see all the characters named (except the duos). The Upgrade and Alter-Ego mechanics sound like lame ways to force us to buy two figures to play one, but I'd love to get more info and be proven wrong. One thing I *don'T* want to see is a bunch of "plainclothes" versions of characters in upcoming sets...that seems pretty lame, and anything that takes slots away from proper remakes or first appearances of the many super-characters we're still missing in this game is something I'm hesitant about.

I like the high number of generics. I was starting to regret going in on a case with my brother, as I have no desire for any of the SR duos, but generics gives me a reason to open more boosters. And a new Parademon might give some more teeth to the Secret Six! As long as we get Ragdoll as well...

I've also been waiting a LONG time for a Metallo remake. Hopefully this one is better. Of course, with the dials we've seen so far, that is very much a crapshoot...

I don't believe the info until at least the source (not a specific name, but the lack of ANY source is a red flag for a April Fool's joke setup), but I think if the info was correct it would make me a little more happy with the set.

[Gorodish]

I won't weigh in on the validity except to note that "sizzle" sheets are generally sent out to build up sales from retail outlets. If that's the intent of this then we should see confirmation from other stores shortly.
That said, I really hope this isn't accurate. Not that I don't like the figures mentioned or even some of the rules concepts (except upgrade <shudder>) but because of the overwhelming "top tournament/competitive" tone to the whole sheet. That's a differnet direction than the game.has been going and not a direction in which I have any interest.

[wonderboy8917]

Six days after the Power Girl incident, we can't cling to the idea that WK is always going to put out accurate info. ;)

Maybe that's why this "sizzle sheet" hasn't been posted on the official site yet. It's still in rough draft form and hasn't been proofread. :nervous:

[thebigZZZZZ]

I hope this info is legit, as I'd love to see all the characters named (except the duos). The Upgrade and Alter-Ego mechanics sound like lame ways to force us to buy two figures to play one, but I'd love to get more info and be proven wrong. One thing I *don'T* want to see is a bunch of "plainclothes" versions of characters in upcoming sets...that seems pretty lame, and anything that takes slots away from proper remakes or first appearances of the many super-characters we're still missing in this game is something I'm hesitant about.

I like the high number of generics. I was starting to regret going in on a case with my brother, as I have no desire for any of the SR duos, but generics gives me a reason to open more boosters. And a new Parademon might give some more teeth to the Secret Six! As long as we get Ragdoll as well...

I've also been waiting a LONG time for a Metallo remake. Hopefully this one is better. Of course, with the dials we've seen so far, that is very much a crapshoot...

I don't believe the info until at least the source (not a specific name, but the lack of ANY source is a red flag for a April Fool's joke setup), but I think if the info was correct it would make me a little more happy with the set.

well too bad Seth Johnson is not the one who designs the stats. If it is Seth Johnson designing that set, I would have bought two cases and collects all Parademons and Amazons generics...so I can play two different themes (Amazon Attacks....and Infinite Crisis).

oh and a LE Parademon "Clown" for Secret Six so Rag Doll will be happy to cling to him. heh.

[checkeredman]

We're nerds and Geeks. Doubting is what we do in between mouth breathing when we're not petitioning to restart Firefly.

heh heh heh

That is so on the nose...

[Miraclo]

I won't weigh in on the validity except to note that "sizzle" sheets are generally sent out to build up sales from retail outlets. If that's the intent of this then we should see confirmation from other stores shortly.
That said, I really hope this isn't accurate. Not that I don't like the figures mentioned or even some of the rules concepts (except upgrade <shudder>) but because of the overwhelming "top tournament/competitive" tone to the whole sheet. That's a differnet direction than the game.has been going and not a direction in which I have any interest.

All excellent points, including putting your finger on the unsettling tone. I know they're trying to market this to a broader group, but I still don't like seeing it pushed into the mold and mode of being just another competitive game.

Anyway, doesn't doing this this late in the process (considering when the main orders went in) strike you as a touch desperate? Comical's mentioned his orders (push from customers) running higher than HoT (for some bizarre set of reasons) already, and I have no reason to disbelieve him or think his store's situation is unique.

The production-end orders are long since set, so this sort of sheet would seem to be meant to hit the fans (to raise interest) and maybe nudge retailers to contact Diamond/Alliance or whatever other supplier they use to add to their orders. We're less than four weeks from the set's release. We should be able to at least start to smell the bacon.

[songwriterz]

Comical's mentioned his orders (push from customers) running higher than HoT (for some bizarre set of reasons) already, and I have no reason to disbelieve him or think his store's situation is unique.

I think alot of people are going to be in a worse boat than they were in when HoT came out, meaning, product is going to sell out quickly and become scarce in a hurry.

There's been a lot of negative posts concerning BatB and I even I scoffed at some of the items in the "sizzle sheet", but I think a lot of DC Realmsers who decided against bricks/cases will regret their decisions later.

[Madox]

Sorry, took awhile to respond... like someone mentioned earlier... I didn't want someone to get fired, so I took some time to make sure it wasn't confidential information.

Received the "Sizzle Sheet" from the distribution level. To encourage sale opportunities. Other up-to-date retailers should of received the same information.

This was also included in the email:

DC HeroClix The Brave and the Bold features exciting new mechanics and figures for HeroClix players of all experience levels.

The attached sizzle sheet includes sales hooks for retailers and a look at the powerful themes in The Brave and the Bold, including: Duo Figures, Alter Egos, and Minions and Army-building.

Please pass this sizzle sheet along to your retailers to help them expand their HeroClix sales opportunities.

Also about the "3" Silver bullets mentioned but "4" characters listed... beats me... I just copied and pasted the information... I didn't write it. :laugh:

[saturnflight]

Upgrade seems to me like great potential. I envision a dial with clicks above the starting click, representing characters who need to achieve something before they power up. Plenty of folks (especially villains) who might make good use of such a mechanic. (Onslaught, Shadow King, Hulk perhaps?)

[Repulsor rage]

The Amazing Kreskin puts the Amazon Warrior at 43 points. Just a rumor, mind you.

Really thats sick! Oh carp that means this is legit :nervous: What does AK have to Say about Thom Kallor?

[MarshallXIII]

There's all sorts of good in the sizzle sheet.

[rwint1968]

From the Long Halloween?

Yes, the villian who only killed people on Holidays. Should be interesting to see what they've done with this character if this listing is solid.

Thanks,
:cool:

[Kaitouace]

First thing I noticed was that they stated that the alter egos have never been in boosters before despite Bruce Wayne being in Legacy boosters (Super-Rare). But that's a minor nitpick.

And Upgrade? Heroclix is that much closer to Dragonball Z clix now. :P

[TimoSupremo]

Received the "Sizzle Sheet" from the distribution level. To encourage sale opportunities. Other up-to-date retailers should of received the same information.

Does that mean this thread can be moved out of the Rumor Forum and back to the General Forum now...? :classic:

[saturnflight]

Much as I hate to admit it, I would actually play Tien on a clix team...

[RavenProject]

Sorry, took awhile to respond... like someone mentioned earlier... I didn't want someone to get fired, so I took some time to make sure it wasn't confidential information.

Cool... see, that gets you a lot more credibility.

Costs WizKids a bit, mind you. Wonder why they didn't mention this stuff during the pre-order stage?

-J

[sol]

I spoke with my inside man, and I can back up Madox. This is the real deal, not that I ever doubted it.

I put my rep on that.

[Miraclo]

Thanks (and Rep) for the follow-up, Madox.

I think alot of people are going to be in a worse boat than they were in when HoT came out, meaning, product is going to sell out quickly and become scarce in a hurry.

There's been a lot of negative posts concerning BatB and I even I scoffed at some of the items in the "sizzle sheet", but I think a lot of DC Realmsers who decided against bricks/cases will regret their decisions later.

I'm torn on this.

With the SRs all being Duos I know I won't be interested in them (see below), so the expensive items in the set are out of the running for me; they'll only be useful for resale or trade.

On the side of buying into the set in anything close to my usual way -- that would land me at least 2-3 of each of the generics while likely giving me nearly all of the CUR set up front.

I have no interest in the SR Duos, including the (almost certainly) Duo chase pieces, so I could theoretically turn around immediately and sell them off to defray the initial outlay/trade them for SRs/LEs from earlier sets that I want.

Against buying into it:

Money's tight and will be getting tighter come the mid-year. I'm trying to be more responsible about my spending and am much more likely to be interested in the next Marvel set than BatB... not to mention still considering the Watchmen box set. (The Blackest Night starter's already ordered.)

I continue to see Duos as a sham - a sales gimmick to draw in a different sort than I. Something which more people who are on the comics-/character-driven side of this will eventually come to realize is fundamentally flawed when applied to any two characters capable of independent motion. We will see more playable and likely cost-effective Duos as they move ahead, but no change to the Duo mechanic can redeem them. It's too fundamental a flaw.

Consequently, I'm loathe to toss money directly into the sales channel for fear that it will be interpreted as a vote for more Duos. A real fear is that they'll come away from this with the idea that Duos are a fantastic sales-driver, and that the only problem is that they concentrated most of them in the SRs. I fear for a Marvel Team-Up set with a similar (or even half) the percentage of Duos as this set, but scattered throughout the rarity levels so there would be non-Duo SRs I'd be more likely to want. If I just buy a CUR set on the secondary market and then try to target generics singles I'll just be helping to mop up some of the spillage -- drawing on the excess from the bulk-buyers.

So... I'm still deciding.

[elfholme]

Sweet. :) New Metallo and generics...let the drooling begin...

Man, if Metallo's dial is F'ed up, I'm gonna cry. Or kick a puppy.

[songwriterz]

Sweet. :) New Metallo and generics...let the drooling begin...

Man, if Metallo's dial is F'ed up, I'm gonna cry. Or kick a puppy.

Kick a puppy. Real men don't cry.

[songwriterz]

A real fear is that they'll come away from this with the idea that Duos are a fantastic sales-driver, and that the only problem is that they concentrated most of them in the SRs. I fear for a Marvel Team-Up set with a similar (or even half) the percentage of Duos as this set, but scattered throughout the rarity levels so there would be non-Duo SRs I'd be more likely to want.

I feel your pain. I'm the original Marvel Zombie and a huge fan of the classic Marvel Team-Up comics. But I definitely do not want a Marvel Team-Up set of clix similar to BatB.

Do Not Want!

Fortunately, Wizkids heard the shouts against God packs and have killed them for future releases. Hopefully they are hearing our even louder shouts against duo figs.

[elfholme]

I continue to see Duos as a sham - a sales gimmick to draw in a different sort than I. Something which more people who are on the comics-/character-driven side of this will eventually come to realize is fundamentally flawed when applied to any two characters capable of independent motion. We will see more playable and likely cost-effective Duos as they move ahead, but no change to the Duo mechanic can redeem them. It's too fundamental a flaw.

Consequently, I'm loathe to toss money directly into the sales channel for fear that it will be interpreted as a vote for more Duos. A real fear is that they'll come away from this with the idea that Duos are a fantastic sales-driver, and that the only problem is that they concentrated most of them in the SRs. I fear for a Marvel Team-Up set with a similar (or even half) the percentage of Duos as this set, but scattered throughout the rarity levels so there would be non-Duo SRs I'd be more likely to want. If I just buy a CUR set on the secondary market and then try to target generics singles I'll just be helping to mop up some of the spillage -- drawing on the excess from the bulk-buyers.



Totally agreed. On the one side, we have the concept that we should support the game and buy whatever the new company puts out (which to some degree is legit, as businesses that don't make money get closed down). On the other hand, a line should be drawn when the company puts out something we're not happy with, to send a message that we're not happy with it.

I don't like duos. It has little to do with the rules, and more to do with the base concept, which is (as you stated) flawed. I'm also not happy with many of the previewed figures, whether it's because of lame sculpt concept (MM, Ivy and Harley, Gizmo not having the costume that matches the rest of his team), lack of keywords which REALLY hurts the ability to put together good theme teams (most of them), or just mediocre dials (Gizmo). If I buy a lot of the set, I risk contributing to a tendency toward more of the same.

I think this is really pointed out in this document, because if the WF piece inspired ANYTHING, it should have been a limit by household on how many of a limited-run BRICK figure should be allowed to order. WF is lame. It's not worth the points. It doesn't represent the two characters well at all. And yet the hooplah surrounding it apparently inspired a complete set. That is garbage. I'd hate to see that kind of thing continue.

[cassius335]

First thing I noticed was that they stated that the alter egos have never been in boosters before despite Bruce Wayne being in Legacy boosters (Super-Rare). But that's a minor nitpick.

And Upgrade? Heroclix is that much closer to Dragonball Z clix now. :P

Forget Dragonball Z, what about Pokemon or Digimon? Being able to upgrade from "Agumon > Greymon" or "Charmander > Charmeleon > Charizard" would be awesome.

[Bubblehead]

SPOILERS FOR LONG HALLOWEEN!!!!!!!




The only thing that got me on this post was Holiday listed as a piece. In the book Holiday was Harvey Dent, his wife, and Alberto Falcone.

So which one? A duo? That's the only part that gets me. Everything else (including the bullet numbering) seems a-ok with me.


And if it's a hoax.....a damn good one! CHEERS!

And don't reveal your source. It'll make everyone on here have ants in their pants and make them do the boogie dance.


And I like a good boogie dance.

[heavyarms71]

wow i was down on batb this has gotten me excited again. amazons and parademons=awesome. too bad no thangarians maybe next set. only thing i'm not thrilled about is the upgrade but i will wait and see. it may be really cool.

[lancelot]

well too bad Seth Johnson is not the one who designs the stats. If it is Seth Johnson designing that set, I would have bought two cases and collects all Parademons and Amazons generics...so I can play two different themes (Amazon Attacks....and Infinite Crisis).

oh and a LE Parademon "Clown" for Secret Six so Rag Doll will be happy to cling to him. heh.

Pretty sure Seth didn't do BatB...he barely even had a hand in HoT...it was Kelly Bonales, I believe, who was the head designer for both HoT and BatB.

[lancelot]

Double Post.

[thebigZZZZZ]

Pretty sure Seth didn't do BatB...he barely even had a hand in HoT...it was Kelly Bonales, I believe, who was the head designer for both HoT and BatB.

Kelly only did HoT...not BatB.

But....on the bright side, Seth already designed the Watchmen set! whooo whooo. yes Ka-ching! :knockedou

[mr_obvious]

(Assuming this is real information) Not very excited about this mechanic. I'll have to wait and see what it encompases, but it doesn't work for me at first blush.

Agreed. They've just ko'ed my figure, which gives them some advantage already. Now I lost a piece of my army & theirs just got better?!?! Sounds like it's time to build tent-pole armies. How do I level up Thor & Loki as they KO figure after figure?

[Repulsor rage]

Agreed. They've just ko'ed my figure, which gives them some advantage already. Now I lost a piece of my army & theirs just got better?!?! Sounds like it's time to build tent-pole armies. How do I level up Thor & Loki as they KO figure after figure?

Maybe you could play Thor and a Loki then fuse them! ? :cry: lol

[michiganj24]

I have a feeling that if they do it it will be Alberto as they seem to imply post 52/SBP's Emo Punching that there was only one Holiday
SPOILERS FOR LONG HALLOWEEN!!!!!!!




The only thing that got me on this post was Holiday listed as a piece. In the book Holiday was Harvey Dent, his wife, and Alberto Falcone.

So which one? A duo? That's the only part that gets me. Everything else (including the bullet numbering) seems a-ok with me.


And if it's a hoax.....a damn good one! CHEERS!

And don't reveal your source. It'll make everyone on here have ants in their pants and make them do the boogie dance.


And I like a good boogie dance.

[Vine]

SPOILERS FOR LONG HALLOWEEN!!!!!!!




The only thing that got me on this post was Holiday listed as a piece. In the book Holiday was Harvey Dent, his wife, and Alberto Falcone.

So which one? A duo? That's the only part that gets me. Everything else (including the bullet numbering) seems a-ok with me.

Holiday seems to be lumped in with the generic army building troops. Maybe they're making a holiday generic, that can be any of the three or all of them, based on what you want at the time?

[michiganj24]

Yep that was correct they scrapped but nothing to stop Neca from rezzing the idea again. And yeas it was going to be a Con like piece
I heard they came to their senses and scrapped it.

Or maybe that was just wishful thinking on my part... :P

[Semyaza]

I have to admit that I'm intrigued by the "upgrade" idea. Would it work like "bloodied" in horrorclix, or perhaps you turn the dial forward to a new starting line, like you suddenly paid the points for an experienced colossal from a rookie in mid-game ?

[ChiRocker]

I have a feeling that Inertia may upgrade to Kid Zoom, but you will still have the option of playing either. It will probably work very similar to AE, but the figure must KO another before being able to Upgrade. I want to know how this will affect team building pretty badly though.

[elfholme]

I have a feeling that Inertia may upgrade to Kid Zoom, but you will still have the option of playing either. It will probably work very similar to AE, but the figure must KO another before being able to Upgrade. I want to know how this will affect team building pretty badly though.

That would be really stupid for those of us trying to run comic theme teams. "ta-da...suddenly Inertia changes names and costumes in the middle of the battle!" Nah, I hope that's not it...

[vlad3theimpaler]

Is it sad that I'm happy to hear that all the super rares are duos, because now I know I [/B]don't[/B] care about the super rares and will save some money?
Oh, and Superman and Flash? I don't think that duo was even hinted at previously.

[theanalogkid]

Assuming this is true (really needs a source), there's some good and some bad here for me. The new generics are pretty exciting. I've been trying to build a League of Assassins team for a while, but the one time I got to play it (with the new Hand Ninjas), it didn't do so well. Generic Assassins could be pretty exciting, as could the new Talia. The Legacy Talias are just a little too tame for their point cost, and the Alpha version, while a good deal, isn't exactly what I'd call an accurate interpretation. New parademons should also be exciting, particularly for the Secret Six!

As for the rest, though--silver bullets? Isn't the conventional wisdom that a major sign of a game being unbalanced is when they have to introduce big, obvious nerfy elements to counteract others? I know they've been doing this for years with BFCs, but they seemed to be getting away from that mold of BFC ever since. It just seems a little worrisome to be promoting them like this.

"Upgrade" (along with the yet-to-be-revealed alter ego mechanic) sounds like another one of the recent trend toward making my figures useless unless I have a particular super rare. I was fortunate enough to pull a Gert and Old Lace in Hammer of Thor, but playing the Warriors Two and the all-Fire Demon army hasn't been particularly appealing. So this has the potential to be a bit bothersome.

His name is Krytonite Man. He whole power set is designed to mess up Kryptonians. NECA did not whip him up out of the clear blue sky. He's been around for a while. As a matter of facte, there was a kid version that fought Superboy in the Siver Age.


And for all of those who say "I will be selling all the SR's because they are Duo's", you realize there are so many of you it will be a buyer's market, right? I should be able to snag them all cheap because heaven forbid you not a piece just because they are a Duo. Works out well for me and all the others. Should I start making a list of names now and come knocking on your door in a month looking for my cheap SR's?

[VictorySaber]

ah... so now we're going to create characters specifically to disembowel specific play-styles? as if kid zoom weren't enough?

Level-up pieces would completely destroy the entire notion of build totals, AS WOULD if I'd understand correctly, Secret Identity pieces... as the secret id folks would have lower point costs, and as such, if you're going to build a team with those, and then suddenly you're going to swap out for your big nasty superman, and your build total suddenly goes from 300 to 400, sorry but that's a line I think needs to be re-evaluated.

[SilverAgeFlash]

Most things in here are great in my eye.

The only thing that leaves me in wonder is if there will be different stipulations for how a Figure up grades.

IF you pay for a lower cost but get a higher one when something happens then i hope its not just KO a dude> up grade. IF BA/CM are upgrade (which i am sure they will be) The stipulation better be random like KO a Mystical Character of a higher point cost or something.
That would also make for most fun play if in order for Inertia to Upgrade to Kid Zoom you have to KO a character with HSS.

Over All very pleased.

[csi]

ah... so now we're going to create characters specifically to disembowel specific play-styles? as if kid zoom weren't enough?



thats no different than BFC's. I make a Batman team and you play bright lights and suddenly my team has a huge disadvantage.

[cattmoe]

Most things in here are great in my eye.

The only thing that leaves me in wonder is if there will be different stipulations for how a Figure up grades.

IF you pay for a lower cost but get a higher one when something happens then i hope its not just KO a dude> up grade. IF BA/CM are upgrade (which i am sure they will be) The stipulation better be random like KO a Mystical Character of a higher point cost or something.
That would also make for most fun play if in order for Inertia to Upgrade to Kid Zoom you have to KO a character with HSS.

Over All very pleased.

I'm thinking something similar.... in order to upgrade, you have to meet a pretty specific criteria. Honestly, I halfway believe this is real simply because some of it sounds so unbelievable....

[RavenProject]

And for all of those who say "I will be selling all the SR's because they are Duo's", you realize there are so many of you it will be a buyer's market, right? I should be able to snag them all cheap because heaven forbid you not a piece just because they are a Duo. Works out well for me and all the others. Should I start making a list of names now and come knocking on your door in a month looking for my cheap SR's?

Ironically, if enough people eschew the SRs then it could actually make the CUR sets more expensive.

Currently, CUR sets are relatively inexpensive because people shuck dozens of boosters to get the high-value SR and Chase figures. The CUR figures can be sold cheap because the money is on the high end. But if the SRs aren't selling, then a) fewer boosters will be shucked for SRs, meaning fewer loose CURs on the secondary market and b) those individuals who do shuck boosters for resale will need to charge more for SRs in order to maintain their margin.

And don't get me started on what this could do to Chase values....

-J

[tom730]

Ironically, if enough people eschew the SRs then it could actually make the CUR sets more expensive.

Currently, CUR sets are relatively inexpensive because people shuck dozens of boosters to get the high-value SR and Chase figures. The CUR figures can be sold cheap because the money is on the high end. But if the SRs aren't selling, then a) fewer boosters will be shucked for SRs, meaning fewer loose CURs on the secondary market and b) those individuals who do shuck boosters for resale will need to charge more for SRs in order to maintain their margin.

And don't get me started on what this could do to Chase values....

-J

I'll go on record as saying the SRs will still be as valuable relative to other SRs - the ones with great dials and/or iconic characters will be in demand.
I'll also go on record as saying NECA/WK won't do this very often! If they do a "Marvel Team-Up" set we'll probably see them again, but otherwise my guess is this goes the way of the "god pack."
Anyone who think otherwise and wants to swap me B&tB SRs for earlier set SRs, bring it on - I got plenty!!!:laugh: I especially want that Flash duo because I'm going to use my second one to make a custom of Barry and Jay racing on two sides of a brick wall to save someone from a falling girder! (sound familiar?)

[michiganj24]

Although for Kid Zoom it is exactly how it happened in the comic so for him it is perfect lol
One second he was Inertia then Zoom comes by and he is Kid Zoom
That would be really stupid for those of us trying to run comic theme teams. "ta-da...suddenly Inertia changes names and costumes in the middle of the battle!" Nah, I hope that's not it...

[larthosgrr8]

i think it's true! the silver bullet figures are really just the first three figures! the extant guy is someone who can work against anyone using dupes! talia, kryptonite man, etc.. are meant to just work REALLY well against supes, and batman.

generics are always a plus, but i think the amazons are the ones i really want from this set! i want all the srs too! i love duo figs and i enjoy wrecking ppl with him! i'm excited for the new mechanics and how it'll effect the game! upgrading characters can be a very crazy thing if it effects the game like i think it will! we'll see what happens in 4 and half more weeks!

[When12Dawns]

uhhh.... wow. That's some super exciting information if its true. Should get my players very excited and turn some things around for people. I've already saved a lot of my money for my brick and then some anyway. My girlfriend will be totally stoked for the amazons and the checkmate generics. Totally.

Hope its true.

[flatmatt]

His name is Krytonite Man. He whole power set is designed to mess up Kryptonians. NECA did not whip him up out of the clear blue sky. He's been around for a while. As a matter of facte, there was a kid version that fought Superboy in the Siver Age.
Oh I agree that it's character-appropriate for Kid Zoom and Kryptonite Man. But this advertisement makes it sound like they're intentionally designing powerful "silver bullets" to completely shut down certain strategies. Does Talia need a special silver bullet stealth-hoser on the level of Kid Zoom's HSS-hoser? It's something that needs to be done carefully, and I don't think it's something that should be emphasized as a selling point.

[elfholme]

i think it's true! the silver bullet figures are really just the first three figures! the extant guy is someone who can work against anyone using dupes! talia, kryptonite man, etc.. are meant to just work REALLY well against supes, and batman.

generics are always a plus, but i think the amazons are the ones i really want from this set! i want all the srs too! i love duo figs and i enjoy wrecking ppl with him! i'm excited for the new mechanics and how it'll effect the game! upgrading characters can be a very crazy thing if it effects the game like i think it will! we'll see what happens in 4 and half more weeks!

The only thing that concerns me about Extant is that I'm not sure how they're going to work his SP to mess up people running duplicates of characters that are individuals, and not hose up people running duplicates who are generics. Also, will it account for two different Iron Men/Batmen/Hulks who are from different sets? I'm real anxious to see his dial and card!

Wow, is that 9 sentences ending in exclamation points in two paragraphs? larthosgrr8, you are hereby banned from the use of the exclamation point key for 48 hours... ;)

[CarlosMucha]

Parademons??!!

RED PARADEMONS??!!

:grin:

(ok, I'm sick, back to bed now).

[bigmac267]

• “Silver Bullets”- Brave & The Bold features three “silver bullet” characters
that players can use to shut down opposing players’ strategies.
• Kryptonite Man works well against Supergirl and both "chase" Superman
from Crisis, as well as the two Supermen in (Justice League) and several
other figures in the current Brave and the Bold set.
• Kid Zoom plays well against 15 DC characters from Justice League -
Arkham, including many top tournament pieces like Flash, Black Adam,
and Superman. He also plays well against 20+ Marvel characters from
Avengers - Hammer of Thor, including top tournament pieces like Skrull
Ms. Marvel.
• Talia counter balances 8 characters from Arkham, including both "chase"
Batman, and Robin, Batgirl, and Captain Gordon as well as 3 Batmans
from Justice League
• Extant (the dimension-travelling villain) destroys armies that use multiple
copies of the same figure.
These silver bullet figures will be must have support pieces for any serious
tournament player.


Due to the sheer number of errors and abbreviations contained within this post, I highly doubt that this is real (one item that strikes me as particularly funny is that this quote includes a claim that there are three "silver bullet" characters in the set and then goes on to list four "silver bullet" characters). At best, it is an early draft of a BatB ad that is not 100% accurate. However, given the OP's number of posts and join date, it is most likely a troll.

[larthosgrr8]

The only thing that concerns me about Extant is that I'm not sure how they're going to work his SP to mess up people running duplicates of characters that are individuals, and not hose up people running duplicates who are generics. Also, will it account for two different Iron Men/Batmen/Hulks who are from different sets? I'm real anxious to see his dial and card!

Wow, is that 9 sentences ending in exclamation points in two paragraphs? larthosgrr8, you are hereby banned from the use of the exclamation point key for 48 hours... ;)

i think the extant guy is meant for everything you mentioned. if you run a huge generic team BAM. run multiple out of the shadows batman(lame) BAM. i enjoy this 'silver bullet' aspect. this will really make ppl start to use all the good dials that they usually pass over. i like that even though they're making these uber powerful characters, they're also making counters to them!

good players will still do well, and noobies won't feel like they'll just get owned anymore. i think this could be the rebirth of actual TEAM-BUILDING! theme teams have spoiled lots of ppl. gone are the days when you would see mash-up teams, or you had to guess the theme. now a days you just look and say '' ohh..scientist,teen, or animal'':tired:.

i think balance is the key to this games longevity and all the things i'm hearing and seeing are moving it in the right direction!

[dariusq]

Interesting stuff to read. This in particular has me both excited and worried:
12 different characters from (Arkham)
• “Silver Bullets”- Brave & The Bold features three “silver bullet” characters
that players can use to shut down opposing players’ strategies.


We've already seen the Kid Zoom preview so we have a better idea of what these "Silver Bullets" may/will involve. Personally this new mechanic (if you can call it that) seems like a knee-jerk reaction to some of the most consistent imbalances that have plagued HC since Hypertime first came out. Rather than try and fix the problems (usually due to shortsighted design) they're offering up a quick fix solution.

Let's use the Kid Zoom example again. HSS is one of the most dominant powers in the game so controlling who can use it is a huge advantage. Play Kid Zoom and you've got the only HSS piece on the board. The dilemma here is that people may start to use Kid Zoom even more frequently than other HSS figs. In essense we've traded one cheeze character for another. Whether that is a good thing or not remains to be seen. Admitedly KZ should be a lot easier to KO, just expect to see this guy a LOT.

The acid test will be how badly Kryptonite Man nerfs the chase Supermen (and all other Supes for that matter).

[theanalogkid]

Oh I agree that it's character-appropriate for Kid Zoom and Kryptonite Man. But this advertisement makes it sound like they're intentionally designing powerful "silver bullets" to completely shut down certain strategies. Does Talia need a special silver bullet stealth-hoser on the level of Kid Zoom's HSS-hoser? It's something that needs to be done carefully, and I don't think it's something that should be emphasized as a selling point.

She's the one that started the whole Tower of Babel mess by stealing Bruce's notes on how to kill the League right off of the moon! i think Stealth busting is fine for her. Now that they are not making Ultimates anymore, and new Superman Allies are scarse, any way to bust Stealth besides wildcarding or cheese Thunderbolting is always wecole. When they broght out a figure to counter SIF, didn't everybody cheer?

[spike1138]

As I type this, the character card for Kid Zoom is missing on the WizKids site. In its place is another Inertia card. (http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2010/02/05/the-brave-and-the-bold/) It could be a coincidence or it could be that an errata is on its way...

[I Am The Game]

Yay, generic Amazons! Finally a good reason to break out Queen Hippolyta! :)

[ShadowMark]

What I find amazing is the OP has 3 posts..so what? People are disregarding the fact that "reliable" sources are neither confirming, nor denying the fact that this is true. In fact, those same sources are almost backing it up without the denial, or support of it.

I, for one, believe every bit of it. He cited a "source" and said why it couldn't be backed up. The "silver bullet" thing? He says 3 and said he copied and pasted it, he never said the fourth (extent) was a "silver bullet". Extent doesn't even fall in his guidelines for what a "silver bullet" is.

I am still excited about this set as I am with any new heroclix set and look forward to finally getting my hands on this set to see what it is all about

[Owlman]

If this is all true, I'm most excited about:

Armies featured in the set include: the dangerous Batman enemies The League of Assassins, the strong and noble Amazons, the clandestine Checkmate operatives, and the powerful Apokolips alien Parademons.

Those would be great. If we get Parademons, I really hope that we get an LE of the Parademon from Villains United (the Secret Six member).

[Batmandu]

If we get Parademons, I really hope that we get an LE of the Parademon from Villains United (the Secret Six member).

Hopefully.

Well, either that or both making it into the main set, like Inertia/Kid-Zoom...

[Steelmage2000]

All of it also makes me a lot more interested in this set then before. This set was basically being chalked up to "left over #### set made quickly by the chick who made Pirates so we can make money" set.

That is Kelly Bonita, she did Mechwarrior, not pirates.

Six days after the Power Girl incident, we can't cling to the idea that WK is always going to put out accurate info. ;)

Rep.

The thing with Shazam/Black Adam duo is they have two starting points like the colossuses (according to my source). This maybe what the OP is refering to, if that is the case then it is basically an existing item given a new name and new mechanic, but we will see.

[anonym0use]

Without defending the OP too much (because this could be a hoax, albeit mixed with a lot of truthiness) I will say this about the Silver bullets -

It seems as though the first 3 silver bullets mentioned are, in fact, silver bullets - designed with a specific quality in mind (Superman, or Batman, or HSS).

Extant's power description is really more general - it's more silver buckshot than silver bullet. It also wouldn't surprise me if the minion ability precluded them from being affected by Extant's SP.

[sol]

I already told you guys: It's real, typos aside.

I unfortunately can't tell you who told me. Just like with the 'Who Prices the Watchmen' info and Dr. Manhattan.

[elfholme]

i think the extant guy is meant for everything you mentioned. if you run a huge generic team BAM. run multiple out of the shadows batman(lame) BAM. i enjoy this 'silver bullet' aspect. this will really make ppl start to use all the good dials that they usually pass over. i like that even though they're making these uber powerful characters, they're also making counters to them!

good players will still do well, and noobies won't feel like they'll just get owned anymore. i think this could be the rebirth of actual TEAM-BUILDING! theme teams have spoiled lots of ppl. gone are the days when you would see mash-up teams, or you had to guess the theme. now a days you just look and say '' ohh..scientist,teen, or animal'':tired:.

i think balance is the key to this games longevity and all the things i'm hearing and seeing are moving it in the right direction!

I hope you're right. However, given the nature of the little speedy silver bullet that we've already seen, I'm doubtful that these silver bullets will be good for the game. If Extant works as I expect him to, you're not really doing much to stop the generic keyword theme team cheese, as the worst abusers there (IME) are teams that pull DIFFERENT CHARACTERS from Marvel and DC, simply using the best characters from each universe. Extant's not going to stop that. What it looks like he MAY stop is people building teams with lots of the same generic (say, Hand Ninjas) in a comic-accurate theme team. Those teams typically are already hindered due to lack of actions and the general inability of generic types to take on the big guns of the game (particularly when we're talking about older generics, pre-Seth).

I actually think these silver bullets might hinder creative team building. As I said, I'm very interested in seeing what they really entail, but the one we've seen so far doesn't encourage me. He even screws up Zoom, which doesn't seem very accurate at all...shouldn't you be ENCOURAGED to play him with Zoom, rather than DISCOURAGED? And his power is so useful in the current game, I think he's going to end up on a LOT of teams, without regard to "theme" or overall strategy. Just pick the strategy you're concerned with, put the silver bullet on your team, and build around it. It's the new "pit crew", in that you just drop it onto whatever team you were going to be running. That's not creative team building.

We've already seen the Kid Zoom preview so we have a better idea of what these "Silver Bullets" may/will involve. Personally this new mechanic (if you can call it that) seems like a knee-jerk reaction to some of the most consistent imbalances that have plagued HC since Hypertime first came out. Rather than try and fix the problems (usually due to shortsighted design) they're offering up a quick fix solution.

Let's use the Kid Zoom example again. HSS is one of the most dominant powers in the game so controlling who can use it is a huge advantage. Play Kid Zoom and you've got the only HSS piece on the board. The dilemma here is that people may start to use Kid Zoom even more frequently than other HSS figs. In essense we've traded one cheeze character for another. Whether that is a good thing or not remains to be seen. Admitedly KZ should be a lot easier to KO, just expect to see this guy a LOT.

The acid test will be how badly Kryptonite Man nerfs the chase Supermen (and all other Supes for that matter).

Yep, I share your concerns. IME, this is how "nerf pieces" typically go over in games (collectible and otherwise). They tend to nerf the top strategies pretty well, and then they become the new top strategies.

[elfholme]

Extant's power description is really more general - it's more silver buckshot than silver bullet. It also wouldn't surprise me if the minion ability precluded them from being affected by Extant's SP.

Yeah, I thought about that. It would be good, but it would only cover generics from HoT forward. That's only a very small number of the generics we have in this game. Unless they are going to issue errata or update the keywords for past sets lists to give us a list of minions...which would very very cool...I have concerns.

[anonym0use]

To those complaining about Silver Bullets - there is nothing new about this concept. Heroclix has had Sillver Bullets since the beginning, and they have only become more prevalaint with SP's & Feats.

For example: Batman Ally TA & Stealth have always had a Silver Bullet - Superman Ally (and later - Trick Shot).

We've even seen characters released that appear to be designed to counter other specific strategies. SIF was causing a big stink, and shortly thereafter we were introduced to a number of figures that could remove an opponents barrier tokens (CR Speedy, HoT Songbird). Consider that HoT Captain America is a perfect counter to OotS Batman (not to mention smokey foot was originally rumored to be in the Avengers set when first pictured in promo material).

Every strategy has a counter strategy, but now the game makers are giving this name a term - Silver Bullet. Dictionary.com first defines a silver bullet as: "a quick solution to a difficult problem," which is appropriate to the characters the "sizzle sheet" describes.

However, the Silver Bullet definition also has a number of other meanings including "An infallible means of attack or defense." which sadly isn't the most accurate terminology for this game mechanic. A silver bullet is not a one shot, guaranteed kill evidenced by Kid Zoom's Stop! SP. Kid Zoom is really a horrible Silver bullet because of his limitaions. Consider:

1.) The initial cost of the figure. 80+ points for a 5 click deep HSS'er that has a 9av 2 damage. It's a heck of a lot to pay for an annoyance piece.

2.) You can't use HSS either, if you're fielding Kid Zoom. Stop! works on all other characters and makes no distinction between friend and foe.

3.) The power can be Outwit. It's not a trait. You don't even need LoF either, if you're using FF starter Doc Doom (a figure who has Silver Bullet like Outwit).

With Kid Zoom available for play, gamers who use HSS as a backbone (or perhaps a crutch - depending on who you talk to) may want to change up their MO. Heaven forbid someone actually rethink their teambuilding strategy.

Silver Bullet merely defines a concept that's been with us since the beginning. The big difference now is that not only has game design attached a name to the concept, they're also implementing more specialized version of the concept in game. In my opinion this will make for a more robust, dynamic and fresh game.

[elfholme]

She's the one that started the whole Tower of Babel mess by stealing Bruce's notes on how to kill the League right off of the moon! i think Stealth busting is fine for her. Now that they are not making Ultimates anymore, and new Superman Allies are scarse, any way to bust Stealth besides wildcarding or cheese Thunderbolting is always wecole. When they broght out a figure to counter SIF, didn't everybody cheer?

Your example really sounds like Outwit-busting, not Stealth-busting.

There are really so many Stealth-busting elements to the game now that I don't see why the Batmen would need a Silver Bullet. Another couple of very effective Stealth counters were just released in this past set (Captain America, who doesn't care about your Stealth, and Venom, who just gets in your face and ignores it).

SIF is an entirely different animal. It was broken, there were few counters, and it led to very boring, one-sided gameplay. Lack of interaction between the two teams involved in the fight is never a good thing in a game like this. SIF needed a counter, or an outright ban.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

I don't mind the introduction of counter-strategies (Cap, Trick Shot) but I don't care for total nerfs like Bright Lights or Kid Zoom's power. In the case of Bright Lights, the balance was Ordinary Day plus the Theme Cancel, so that wasn't as bad. But in the case of a board-wide power that completely destroys another, there's no good response. A person playing Zoom can keep him hid in a back corner and there's not much to do about it. I *really* hope there isn't a blanket anti-stealth power, because many characters with stealth have that as their sole defense. Those pieces are easy points if they have no cover. As noted, there are already a lot of anti-stealth options and strategies, there certainly does not need to be another one that's that powerful. Here's hoping it is not.

[sol]

I don't understand why Kid Zoom's 'total nerf' is a bad idea. Less HSS? Yes, please. And I say this as a guy that uses HSS regularly...but misses actually having to worry more about position in HeroClix.

Not to mention, Kid Zoom is almost 100 pts, and isn't exactly a game changer himself. You'd need 6-7 Perplexes to make it where he was going to be a threat himself. Otherwise, he steals your speed and hides in a corner. And no one ONLY uses HSS as a movement attack power...Charge and Running Shot are still key.

[krusticlese]

Due to the sheer number of errors and abbreviations contained within this post, I highly doubt that this is real (one item that strikes me as particularly funny is that this quote includes a claim that there are three "silver bullet" characters in the set and then goes on to list four "silver bullet" characters). At best, it is an early draft of a BatB ad that is not 100% accurate. However, given the OP's number of posts and join date, it is most likely a troll.

Maybe if you read the entire thread and saw that it's being confirmed by other members you would have something different to say. :cheeky:

You seem to be the one trolling, albeit in a different manner than what you are accusing the OP of. :rolleyes:

...

The thing I'm getting a bit sick of is the slow leak of info coming from Wizkids. These mechanics should have had full articles to accompany them over a month ago BEFORE the cut off date for pre-orders.

for example, had I even known about the generic figures that will be in the set, I'd have ordered an additional brick on top of my case. I'm sure there are many others for whom this would have been a deciding factor.

Seems like the new boss is the same as the old boss... stingy on information, full of poor brand management skills, and a below average salesman.

[anonym0use]

A person playing Zoom can keep him hid in a back corner and there's not much to do about it.

Only if you have and want to use HSS. I recently played a game against a kid who had 3x Fortitude - and I had NO OUTWIT. I teased him about the wasted points.

Kid Zoom hiding is really only a problem in mid level games (500-800pts). Where it can be hard to get to him. In games of 800+ points it should be easy to formulate a strategy to hunt him down if necessary.

In 400 & under he's almost a waste of points. Nearly 90 points for 5 clicks of 9av 2dv, means you're paying 30% or 25% of your team build for that one aspect.

I really like Kid Zoom. He reminds me of a variant game of tag we played when I was a kid called smear the queer (also referred to by other names like Muckle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_(game)#Muckle) for obvious reasons)

[Nickel97]

If this is true, I'm in favor of every bit of it.

Silver Bullets = BFCs that you can kill (rather than hiding behind crutches like OD and Theme Cancel).

Upgrade: depending on how they work, they could mean extra points if you defeat them. Will they be like the flip-cards from Horror Clix

Extant: also great. For simplicy's sake, I hope it's keyed off of straight duplicate figures, and not "identities" (because those are too hard to agree upon, and judging by by how well they've done the keywords, I can't say I trust the company to get the identities right)

Generics: I'm going to play the #### out of League of Assasins, and it will be nice to have some reasonably costed Apololipsians to round out teams.

That is of course, if this is real. It feels real to me. (errors could easily have been in transcription, or the info that the OP has could have been a draft)

[saturnflight]

I don't think Upgrade will involve switching dials. I don't think it will be for Kid Flash/Inertia, or it would have been mentioned in his preview. I don't think it's a retroactive ability; I think it, like Minion, is a new 'standard' special power type that moves you to a higher starting click on your dial. I think it's built into the characters who will be capable of it.

[anonym0use]

I don't think Upgrade will involve switching dials. I don't think it will be for Kid Flash/Inertia, or it would have been mentioned in his preview. I don't think it's a retroactive ability; I think it, like Minion, is a new 'standard' special power type that moves you to a higher starting click on your dial. I think it's built into the characters who will be capable of it.

///agreed. This is the reason for the numbering system on the dials.

[theanalogkid]

I don't understand why Kid Zoom's 'total nerf' is a bad idea. Less HSS? Yes, please. And I say this as a guy that uses HSS regularly...but misses actually having to worry more about position in HeroClix.

Not to mention, Kid Zoom is almost 100 pts, and isn't exactly a game changer himself. You'd need 6-7 Perplexes to make it where he was going to be a threat himself. Otherwise, he steals your speed and hides in a corner. And no one ONLY uses HSS as a movement attack power...Charge and Running Shot are still key.

This is the the thing. How many points are all of them combined going to be? Will people run them as a team to try and cover all of there bases? I mean Highlander rule covers Extant so you may not need him.

[sol]

This is the the thing. How many points are all of them combined going to be? Will people run them as a team to try and cover all of there bases? I mean Highlander rule covers Extant so you may not need him.

I dont follow that ridiculous dupes rule, anyway, so Extant will see use around here.

[snatreaper]

///agreed. This is the reason for the numbering system on the dials.

Except that numbering doesn't start until the Blackest Night starter. If you look at the dial mock-ups we've been seeing for the Brave and the Bold, there's no numbering on them.

[saturnflight]

The comic book world is full of 'silver bullet' stories, with villains concocting plots based specifically on dealing with the hero's advantage. These new 'silver bullet' figs only continue to make the game feel more like the books.

[elfholme]

I dont follow that ridiculous dupes rule, anyway, so Extant will see use around here.

It's actually a great house rule for those interested in the background material, and makes the "need" for a character like Extant non-existent. And it also allows for the use of generics (at least at the venues I've seen it used).

Seems like it's not so ridiculous to me if it negates an issue that was apparently so pronounced that the designers felt the need to build a counter.

I agree Highlander is a ridiculous rule for those just interested in game mechanics and finding the right mix of dials without regard to the characters they represent.

[saturnflight]

I don't think Upgrade will use numbering on dial; rather, I think it will use a second starting line, or perhaps the letter in a circle seen on Dark Phoenix.

[elfholme]

The comic book world is full of 'silver bullet' stories, with villains concocting plots based specifically on dealing with the hero's advantage. These new 'silver bullet' figs only continue to make the game feel more like the books.

I really think we'll have to see the dials in use before actually making that sort of determination. It's not just the silver bullet figures themselves, but how they'll potentially impact team design that concerns me. If every team starts to include Kryptonite Man or Kid Zoom, that wouldn't feel very comic accurate to me...I mean, those aren't exactly the most popular characters in the comic books. ;)

I'm not saying it's good or bad until I see how the figures actually get used. I have concerns, but don't have enough information to know what the impact will be. I do like that a character like Kryptonite Man is getting made though.

[sol]

It's actually a great house rule for those interested in the background material, and makes the "need" for a character like Extant non-existent. And it also allows for the use of generics (at least at the venues I've seen it used).

Seems like it's not so ridiculous to me if it negates an issue that was apparently so pronounced that the designers felt the need to build a counter.

I agree Highlander is a ridiculous rule for those just interested in game mechanics and finding the right mix of dials without regard to the characters they represent.

I actually disagree with it on the basis of the characters they represent just as much as simple mechanics. I've neen a multiverse fan of comics almost as long as I've been reading them.

Also, I don't think there was an issue that was 'pronounced' at all, except maybe until the advent of Oots Batman.

The final analysis of the thing for me is, though, I don't need a player-imposed rule for what is absolutely legal according to the rules forced down my throat by someone else's faulty sense of what is 'comic-accurate'.

[anonym0use]

... If every team starts to include Kryptonite Man or Kid Zoom, that wouldn't feel very comic accurate to me...

I don't think they will be on every team. The best counter to SIF was Phantom Girl, but I rarely saw her on teams when SIF hit the maps. Ditto cr Speedy.

Another Silver bullet character we've already seen? Ivy & Harley - eliminates the threat of Poison. Somehow I doubt they'll be used often to thwart any LAMP strategies.

I think Silver Bullet characters are really only great for the meta-game scene. They seem to be the type of figure designed to thwart that one predictible guy who brings the same team every week.

Otherwise, you take a gamble when you bring a SB that you won't use it. And there's the rub. Min/Max players want to squeeze every point of efficiency from the figures they use, so they won't be using SB's that much.

[dariusq]

Kid Zoom is really a horrible Silver bullet because of his limitaions. Consider:

1.) The initial cost of the figure. 80+ points for a 5 click deep HSS'er that has a 9av 2 damage. It's a heck of a lot to pay for an annoyance piece.

2.) You can't use HSS either, if you're fielding Kid Zoom. Stop! works on all other characters and makes no distinction between friend and foe.

3.) The power can be Outwit. It's not a trait. You don't even need LoF either, if you're using FF starter Doc Doom (a figure who has Silver Bullet like Outwit).

1. Definitely expensive for the short dial, but if he were cheap then there would be no excuse not to put him on every team. Plus his stats aren't nearly so pedestrian as to negate his threat potential.

2. KZ has HSS for 4/5 of his dial. You aren't just knocking out everyone else's HSS you're creating a monopoly for yourself. We are going to see a LOT of KZ's in play.

3. That's where the hiding part comes into play. With a 13 movement KZ should be able to yo-yo around pretty effectively without getting caught or outwitted.

[Hatut Zeraze]

If we get Parademons, I really hope that we get an LE of the Parademon from Villains United (the Secret Six member).

With 4 new ATAs supposed to be in the prize kit, I would say that Secret Six would be pretty high on the list of groups that deserve this. If they have a Secret Six ATA, then I would say that at least improves the chance we will be getting more of their characters. The chances for Ragdoll and the Parademon LE sure feel like they are improving.

[Nickel97]

With 4 new ATAs supposed to be in the prize kit, I would say that Secret Six would be pretty high on the list of groups that deserve this. If they have a Secret Six ATA, then I would say that at least improves the chance we will be getting more of their characters. The chances for Ragdoll and the Parademon LE sure feel like they are improving.


Ragdoll would be pretty awesome, but only if they keyword him so as to be useable as both Peter Merkel Sr. and Jr. because they're not likely to make both, and he's pretty crucial as an Opal City villain.

[krusticlese]

With 4 new ATAs supposed to be in the prize kit, I would say that Secret Six would be pretty high on the list of groups that deserve this. If they have a Secret Six ATA, then I would say that at least improves the chance we will be getting more of their characters. The chances for Ragdoll and the Parademon LE sure feel like they are improving.

Oooohhh. An LE Parademon? Now I can stop using the statesman (#001) LE as a stand-in!

[bigmac267]

Maybe if you read the entire thread and saw that it's being confirmed by other members you would have something different to say. :cheeky:

You seem to be the one trolling, albeit in a different manner than what you are accusing the OP of. :rolleyes:

...

The thing I'm getting a bit sick of is the slow leak of info coming from Wizkids. These mechanics should have had full articles to accompany them over a month ago BEFORE the cut off date for pre-orders.

for example, had I even known about the generic figures that will be in the set, I'd have ordered an additional brick on top of my case. I'm sure there are many others for whom this would have been a deciding factor.

Seems like the new boss is the same as the old boss... stingy on information, full of poor brand management skills, and a below average salesman.

So far, I've only actually seen one member really confirm this in this thread (this does add quite a bit of credibility to the rumor), but there are so many things that are odd in the first post (including the fact that there is a good deal of information that includes major additions to the set being discussed so long after the initial announcements). Forgive me for being skeptical (or rather, paranoid- I may be spending too much time on the Pojo forums lately), but it's not like a large number of members have come and confirmed this. I stated that it is possible that this is an early draft that would not be perfect, and I still feel that is possible. However, without a source, I'm not going to begin supporting these possibilities.

As for your other statements, assuming this information is completely accurate, I agree that it just seems like a mistake to mention all of this now. The generics certainly would tempt me to purchase more of the set, and especially when so many people on the realms were complaining about the duo overload, this might have convinced them otherwise. Also, the "silver bullets" do seem to add quite a bit of value to the set for power gamers, who would most likely not be interested in duos unless they were severely undercosted anyway.

[anonym0use]

1. Definitely expensive for the short dial, but if he were cheap then there would be no excuse not to put him on every team. Plus his stats aren't nearly so pedestrian as to negate his threat potential.

2. KZ has HSS for 4/5 of his dial. You aren't just knocking out everyone else's HSS you're creating a monopoly for yourself. We are going to see a LOT of KZ's in play.

3. That's where the hiding part comes into play. With a 13 movement KZ should be able to yo-yo around pretty effectively without getting caught or outwitted.

1 & 2) He's not very pushable. And he'll have to push to stay alive. His stats never get better either. He's not enough of a threat on his own to make him viable in small builds. An Invulnerable/Imperv character can pretty much ignore him.

Feat him up? Sure, tack on Swingline and AP and push him over 100 points. That's just less support he has. He can't get used as a tie-up piece if he's running away - so focus on removing his support. Engage the rest of the team.

3.) You imply that there's absolutely no way to run down a figure with HSS if you don't have HSS. Charge, TK, Running Shot, Transporter move and attack, Darkseid's Omega Beams, Despero's Dangerous Games, Mind Control/Compel, Harbinger's You Are Needed - there's so many ways to catch him if you need to (smoke cloud, barrier, etc etc), not to mention you can simply force him to push to get away from you.

I contend that you can pretty much ignore this figure in smaller builds if an opponents strategy is to run him away from you.

[Miraclo]

So far, I've only actually seen one member really confirm this in this thread (this does add quite a bit of credibility to the rumor), but there are so many things that are odd in the first post (including the fact that there is a good deal of information that includes major additions to the set being discussed so long after the initial announcements). Forgive me for being skeptical (or rather, paranoid- I may be spending too much time on the Pojo forums lately), but it's not like a large number of members have come and confirmed this. I stated that it is possible that this is an early draft that would not be perfect, and I still feel that is possible. However, without a source, I'm not going to begin supporting these possibilities.

As for your other statements, assuming this information is completely accurate, I agree that it just seems like a mistake to mention all of this now. The generics certainly would tempt me to purchase more of the set, and especially when so many people on the realms were complaining about the duo overload, this might have convinced them otherwise. Also, the "silver bullets" do seem to add quite a bit of value to the set for power gamers, who would most likely not be interested in duos unless they were severely undercosted anyway.

Based on information I trust, I believe that what's been posted is what's been officially sent out. As there's next to no reason for a "silent sizzle" I'm expecting this info to start coming back around and being confirmed fairly soon. It;s likely that the intent is to get it to the retailers first in the hopes that this will give them some degree of inside info on the set which they can in turn share with the fan base at the store level, intending to raise the discussion and excitement as close to the point of purchase as possible.

Beyond that, yes, I agree that it does feel like a bit much so late in the process.

They're still getting used to the pace, though, and I suspect they'll really be much more on their game as they start to address everything coming after BatB.

At the moment I'm more concerned with how well they've truly managed to address collation/rarity issues since HoT. I'll take it as given that they've steered away from god packs, but they've played with the set size this time out, too, so I don't have a good bead on how this will impact the true rarity levels.

[bigmac267]

Based on information I trust, I believe that what's been posted is what's been officially sent out. As there's next to no reason for a "silent sizzle" I'm expecting this info to start coming back around and being confirmed fairly soon. It;s likely that the intent is to get it to the retailers first in the hopes that this will give them some degree of inside info on the set which they can in turn share with the fan base at the store level, intending to raise the discussion and excitement as close to the point of purchase as possible.

Beyond that, yes, I agree that it does feel like a bit much so late in the process.

They're still getting used to the pace, though, and I suspect they'll really be much more on their game as they start to address everything coming after BatB.

Okay, it helps to have some additional confirmation. I'll make sure to rep the OP when retailers start receiving this note as an apology for so vehemently doubting him.

[Miraclo]

Okay, it helps to have some additional confirmation. I'll make sure to rep the OP when retailers start receiving this note as an apology for so vehemently doubting him.


No worries. I wasn't in a rush to believe it either. No harm done.

[elfholme]

I actually disagree with it on the basis of the characters they represent just as much as simple mechanics. I've neen a multiverse fan of comics almost as long as I've been reading them.

Also, I don't think there was an issue that was 'pronounced' at all, except maybe until the advent of Oots Batman.

The final analysis of the thing for me is, though, I don't need a player-imposed rule for what is absolutely legal according to the rules forced down my throat by someone else's faulty sense of what is 'comic-accurate'.

I have no idea how pronounced it is. I just know that the fact that they are making a special character to nerf it and selling it as one of the highlights of the set IMPLIES that it was pronouced enough that the designers felt the need for it.

It's a house rule. If you don't agree to it, you can "move to a different house", or you can push to change the house rules (as they are usually decided by the majority of the players in the house, IME). No one is forcing anything down your throat with house rules. However, if there's a character designed to encourage an even more limited "Highlander rule", that's REALLY forcing something down players' throats, unless they adopt a house rule to adapt to it.

IME, the players know the comics a lot better than the designers seem to. That's why there's always a backlash where we're given characters with missing/incorrect keywords. It's not like Highlander is actually changing the base rules of the game; they're simply modifying the team-building rules to fit better with that group's view of how the game shoudl reflect the background.

Back to the subject at hand - what concerns me the MOST about this is not silver bullet characters or any particular rules change, but that there are SO MANY new things that we're just now hearing about (as a RUMOR) when we have less than a month left before release. At the very least, we should have been given all these new mechanics by now. I've also never understood why a simple set list is kept so secretive. :P

[sol]

I agree with you on some of that. The designers and players knowledge, and the woeful misappropriation and distribution of keywords, for example.

Where I differ is 'to more accurately reflect the background'. The background allows and has allowed for 'duplicate heroes and villains' for as long as there has been a background (or almost anyway).

I don;t want to dishonor your post with a lower word count response, but i've debated about this repeatedly over the years, everybody sees it the way the want to see it. As far as no named dupes at my venue I will paraphrase Kang -

"I've won my Destiny War...hahahahaha!"

[krusticlese]

*weird stupid double post*

[charlesx]

At the moment I'm more concerned with how well they've truly managed to address collation/rarity issues since HoT. I'll take it as given that they've steered away from god packs, but they've played with the set size this time out, too, so I don't have a good bead on how this will impact the true rarity levels.

Very well stated. Hopefully in the days ahead we get some sort of communication regarding the new set size and collation models. Otherwise, there is still too much risk and blind booster/brick buying remains a very real concern. This is the same reason that I skipped buying a brick of Sinister, yet bought a brick when Collateral Damage was released.

[snatreaper]

I don;t want to dishonor your post with a lower word count response, but i've debated about this repeatedly over the years, everybody sees it the way the want to see it. As far as no named dupes at my venue I will paraphrase Kang -

"I've won my Destiny War...hahahahaha!"

I don't know that it was much of a war. We were always a little more particular than "no named dups" when we bothered to have a rule at all. And even after abolishing it, we really don't see all that many "dups" show up anyway.

I see the advent of Extant as more a reference to "high level" tournament play. He really doesn't have much place on the "local circuit." I guess the thing that annoys me most about him is he'll have more of an effect on a character like Multiplex or an army figure who you're expected to have dups of, then he will a "comic accurate" effect. But since the game really doesn't have and kind of mechanic in place for "named" versus "generic" how could you expect anything different?

[sol]

I don't know that it was much of a war. We were always a little more particular than "no named dups" when we bothered to have a rule at all. And even after abolishing it, we really don't see all that many "dups" show up anyway.

I see the advent of Extant as more a reference to "high level" tournament play. He really doesn't have much place on the "local circuit." I guess the thing that annoys me most about him is he'll have more of an effect on a character like Multiplex or an army figure who you're expected to have dups of, then he will a "comic accurate" effect. But since the game really doesn't have and kind of mechanic in place for "named" versus "generic" how could you expect anything different?

It wasn't, it was just a quote that fit, and I like to work comic book quotes into conversation...:cheeky:

One of my main arguments (in our case) was it that it was over-regulatory from the standpoint that you really wouldn't see it anyway, and other than goofball stuff, we never have.

I think Oots Batman was the first figure I could actually see even doing it with. I always just wanted to be able to use say, KC Superman and 'regular' Superman on the same team, *should I so wish*. Whether i got my ### handed to me was my problem.

[ChiRocker]

How effective will Extant be to my army of Nightshades? I wonder if Mystics damage will be dealt from all of them or just 1...

[elfholme]

Where I differ is 'to more accurately reflect the background'. The background allows and has allowed for 'duplicate heroes and villains' for as long as there has been a background (or almost anyway).

I don;t want to dishonor your post with a lower word count response, but i've debated about this repeatedly over the years, everybody sees it the way the want to see it. As far as no named dupes at my venue I will paraphrase Kang -

"I've won my Destiny War...hahahahaha!"

Well, to be fair, I wrote "that group's view of how the game should reflect the background". It's definitely debateable how well it works, but most groups with some sort of Highlander rule seem to be happy with the results, IME (otherwise they'd just change it, right?).

And FWIW, we allow multiple Kangs in our games at home, even though we use a "Highlander rule". We're pretty open if you can pull out a comic (or Wikipedia article) that justifies it. Though if it's obviously just trying to take advantage of an efficient character (like multiple OOTS Batmen to represent that storyline where he hired a couple actors to dress up as him to fool his enemies), you'll probably only be given free reign once. :) But characters that are known for multiple copies (Kang, Multiple Man, Duo Damsel/Triplicate Girl, Dr. Doom (Doombots), heck even characters like Captain America and Hourman, to represent different people under the mask), yeah, we make an exception for them.

I'm not sure the rules are QUITE as open at the local venue, but they're also pretty open there to multiples of characters who are known for it. Works pretty well there and has for years, but the group is more "comic geek" than "tournament junkie".

It's definitely one of those YMMV rules.

[elfholme]

I always just wanted to be able to use say, KC Superman and 'regular' Superman on the same team, *should I so wish*. Whether i got my ### handed to me was my problem.

Those are actually different characters (KC is an Elseworlds version of Earth, it's not Earth-1) Edited - KC is set in Earth-22...thank you Wikipedia! :), so in our version of Highlander wouldn't have been a problem.

[subliminalthreat]

If this is true I will have to say that Extant is the first figure I MUST have...where Power Girl was the first that I said I WOULD like to get her..Extant is a MUST.

[elfholme]

If this is true I will have to say that Extant is the first figure I MUST have...where Power Girl was the first that I said I WOULD like to get her..Extant is a MUST.

All the silver bullets intrigue me (though I'm a bit put off by Kid Zoom's/Inertia's lack of keywords), as does Extant, but I'm hesitant to call any figure in this set a "must-have" until I see the character card and dial. After all, I'd have called Kid Zoom and Gizmo "must-haves" before they were previewed. Now they're "kinda cool" and "meh", respectively. :P

[Surfer13]

I'm tempted to believe this is 100% real, based on other information I have.

Maybe it is and maybe it isn't, but it says that the set has three "silver bullets" and then goes on to list four.

Just sayin'.... :)

[Hatut Zeraze]

If this is true I will have to say that Extant is the first figure I MUST have...where Power Girl was the first that I said I WOULD like to get her..Extant is a MUST.

I was thinking the same thing. I also just realized that getting him won't be super-hard because we know he's not a super-rare. :)

[thebigZZZZZ]

Hmm...Here's hoping that we get LE Parademon for Secret Six...AND.....

LE Phillipus or Artemis for Amazon.....AND....

LE Ubu or Kyle Abbott for League of Assassins (the Hook, Ebenezar Dark, or anyone else will be fine with me, as long as there is a LE for League of Assassins.)

*finger crossing*

[michiganj24]

Well with Metallo in the set and confirmation of more army building figures the sheet seems more and more true

[Iron Man 49]

If this is true, THE LEAGUE OF ASSASSINS IS COMING TO KILL. YOU. DEAD.

[MattMinus]

Maybe it is and maybe it isn't, but it says that the set has three "silver bullets" and then goes on to list four.

Just sayin'.... :)

Does a typo really rule out that WK created it?

[sol]

Well with Metallo in the set and confirmation of more army building figures the sheet seems more and more true

sigh...it IS true.

[zero_cochrane]

The kind of language used in this week's preview is also very similar to the leaked sizzle sheet. I think it's very probably true.

[darius_dax1]

Will this thread become a future issue of GroovyBoy's Realms history series?

[robedestroyer]

Hmm...Here's hoping that we get LE Parademon for Secret Six...AND.....

LE Phillipus or Artemis for Amazon.....AND....

LE Ubu or Kyle Abbott for League of Assassins (the Hook, Ebenezar Dark, or anyone else will be fine with me, as long as there is a LE for League of Assassins.)

*finger crossing*


Only if it's Artemis from "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia"

Special Power: Blastin' my Nips

[wintremute]

Wouldn't it be cool if boosters came with a slice or two of sizzling bacon?

[Surfer13]

Does a typo really rule out that WK created it?

Well, now that I think about it, it seems to make it more likely to be true than not. :cool:

[larthosgrr8]

He even screws up Zoom, which doesn't seem very accurate at all...shouldn't you be ENCOURAGED to play him with Zoom, rather than DISCOURAGED? .

actually, when zoom reanimated him and made him the new kid flash, inertia said screw that, and turned on zoom. he took zooms powers away, and left him in a wheelcair! he's VERY comic accurate.;)

also, the silver bullet thing will make some ppl just play figs like kid zoom to stop hypersonic. anything is better then cookie-cutter theme teams. to me it just sucks the fun out of team building. i respect you building a comic accurate theme before some generic one that meets keyword standards!

[RavenProject]

The utility of the "silver bullet" will be best defined by the local metagame. If you've got a guy who always plays "X," then you just have to play "Y" a couple times for him to realize he better change his strategy. WK is just giving us a more effective "Y."

Other times the "silver bullet" is more like iocane powder. Are you going to play the silver bullet because you know that you'll face its counterpart? Will you decide not to play a figure because you may face its silver bullet? Round and round you go, but either way you've introduced a level of uncertainty which many players aren't comfortable with. Even if no one plays the silver bullet, its simple existence may deter people from playing the counterpart.

-J

[zero_cochrane]

I don't have a problem with silver bullets in theory. They already exist in the game anyway, it's just that they haven't previously been discussed as a design priority.

You won't see any single silver bullet on every team, especially if Brave and the Bold continues to give limited keywords to characters; they just won't synergise on every team. but they will see play, and that alone will deter people with a "gotta win at all costs" mindset from playing the same team every week.

[ahtitan]

Will this thread become a future issue of GroovyBoy's Realms history series?

Awesome.

Just in case: "IF I believe this, which I may or may not, this will be either the end of HeroClix or the awesomest thing since Powerbomb! I quit the game, and yet I must have every chase!"

Did I cover everything?

[Bat-Dude]

The utility of the "silver bullet" will be best defined by the local metagame. If you've got a guy who always plays "X," then you just have to play "Y" a couple times for him to realize he better change his strategy. WK is just giving us a more effective "Y."

Other times the "silver bullet" is more like iocane powder. Are you going to play the silver bullet because you know that you'll face its counterpart? Will you decide not to play a figure because you may face its silver bullet? Round and round you go, but either way you've introduced a level of uncertainty which many players aren't comfortable with. Even if no one plays the silver bullet, its simple existence may deter people from playing the counterpart.

-J

"Truly, you have a dizzying intellect."
-Westley as the Dread Pirate Roberts

[tom730]

The utility of the "silver bullet" will be best defined by the local metagame. If you've got a guy who always plays "X," then you just have to play "Y" a couple times for him to realize he better change his strategy. WK is just giving us a more effective "Y."

Other times the "silver bullet" is more like iocane powder. Are you going to play the silver bullet because you know that you'll face its counterpart? Will you decide not to play a figure because you may face its silver bullet? Round and round you go, but either way you've introduced a level of uncertainty which many players aren't comfortable with. Even if no one plays the silver bullet, its simple existence may deter people from playing the counterpart.

-J

Thank you!!!
Please post more often! The insightful observations coupled with the obscure references are just a wonderful break from the usual fare here!:grin: Kind of like a "Heroclix Dennis Miller!"

And Larthosgrr8, as usual, your comic book knowledge is awesome and helpful to those of us that just don't read nearly as much! I'm once again in awe! Thanks to you as well!

[BigSoph]

Yes the credibility of this "sheet" is complete #### now because it says 3 silver bullets, but 4 are listed... and there was a 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll!!!!! I was there!!!! I know it!

You were the second gunman! I was there! I know because I was the one sent to kill you if you failed. Congrats on a job well done by the way!

If this is true, this seems more like the mindless patter produced by a publicity hack who does not understand the actual game but has been told to write up a promo piece and was given minimal information

[larthosgrr8]

Thank you!!!
Please post more often! The insightful observations coupled with the obscure references are just a wonderful break from the usual fare here!:grin: Kind of like a "Heroclix Dennis Miller!"

And Larthosgrr8, as usual, your comic book knowledge is awesome and helpful to those of us that just don't read nearly as much! I'm once again in awe! Thanks to you as well!

thanks tom! i think it's important for comic fans or just fans of the game to read up every now and then. me being a comic-book artist helps me out as well. even if i don't buy it, i'll read it. most ppl should just read the back of the character card and they'll get a better idea of who and what the figure does!:)

[fastcat99]

Yay fun set!
I wonder how many "3 silver bullet teams" we're now going to see!

[verisimilidude]

Yay fun set!
I wonder how many "3 silver bullet teams" we're now going to see!

more than likely no more or less than you would've already seen played over the years. I for one agree with those who've already pointed out that silver bullets have been around for quite some time they just never had a shiny foil label to them.

Its highly unlikely that these "silver bullets" are going to become the Anti-game-breaker ie new game breaker pieces. They will be awesome against their nemeses and pretty much even or below average against other strategies/ teams that don't share that special vulnerability

[larthosgrr8]

if you look at the facts behind a silver bullet you'll see what it really means to clix. silver bullets are suppose to be a defense against werewolfs, and sometimes vampires(depends on who's writing). a regular bullet might hurt a werewolf, but won't kill it. the same thing applies to clix. these silver bullets will hurt regular figs, but they're made to kill their werewolf(superman,batman,flash,etc).

i look forward to new ways to play and new ways to win! i enjoy the fact that if i decide to play bats or supes, i know that there are figures that were made just to stop them. sure there have been silver bullets in the past, but these new figures are calling them out and i love it!!

[Iron Man 49]

Kryptonite Man, Holiday, and Extant all confirmed in the Lex/Braniac thread.

Give the dude his due.

He's batting 1.000 so far.

The Silver Bullets are all confirmed. I'm sure Haters still gonna hate.