Elite Sniper and Trick Shot

[W.I.T]

Just a question about how the 2 would interact:

Elite Sniper
Prerequisites: Ranged Combat Expert or Super Senses

Choose a character. Ranged combat attacks made by the character ignore other character's Stealth. The character can use the Sharpshooter ability.

Trick Shot
Prerequisites: Plasticity or Ranged Combat Expert

Choose a character.

When making an attack from a square that is not adjacent to an opposing character, the character ignores Stealth and team abilities that duplicate the effects of Stealth, and it ignores characters and hindering terrain for line of fire purposes.

So, since trick Shot specifically says that you can't be adjacent to an opposing character to use it, does the Sharp Shooter ability granted by Elite Sniper over ride that, or does the wording of Trick Shot take precedence? As an example of where this *might* come into play:

G = Green lantern w/TS and Elite Sniper
F= Friendly characters
E= Empty squares
O= Opposing character(s)

EEEEEEOFOEEEEEE
EEEEEEFGFEEEEEE
EEEEEEOFOEEEEEE

Can Green Lantern make Ranged attacks against any of the O figures? Since Sharp Shooter doesn't allow him to make attacks 'through' friendly figures, but Trick Shot does?

Thanks in advance.

[Harpua]

Just a question about how the 2 would interact:

Elite Sniper
Prerequisites: Ranged Combat Expert or Super Senses

Choose a character. Ranged combat attacks made by the character ignore other character's Stealth. The character can use the Sharpshooter ability.

Trick Shot
Prerequisites: Plasticity or Ranged Combat Expert

Choose a character.

When making an attack from a square that is not adjacent to an opposing character, the character ignores Stealth and team abilities that duplicate the effects of Stealth, and it ignores characters and hindering terrain for line of fire purposes.

So, since trick Shot specifically says that you can't be adjacent to an opposing character to use it, does the Sharp Shooter ability granted by Elite Sniper over ride that, or does the wording of Trick Shot take precedence? As an example of where this *might* come into play:

G = Green lantern w/TS and Elite Sniper
F= Friendly characters
E= Empty squares
O= Opposing character(s)

EEEEEEOFOEEEEEE
EEEEEEFGFEEEEEE
EEEEEEOFOEEEEEE

Can Green Lantern make Ranged attacks against any of the O figures? Since Sharp Shooter doesn't allow him to make attacks 'through' friendly figures, but Trick Shot does?

Thanks in advance.

He would not be able to do it.

He's adjacent to a figure, so Trick Shot is nullified.

[Pepsirox08]

ur spending 40 points on one person...

[W.I.T]

He would not be able to do it.

He's adjacent to a figure, so Trick Shot is nullified.

That's what I figured, but I just wanted to be sure. Thanks.

ur spending 40 points on one person...

And...............?

[MacGyver2506]

He can use the Elite Sniper feat card to attack the adjacent figures. If the friendly characters have either the PD team ability or the Hydra team ability, then he'd get +? attack, and then +2 from RCE...

He can only use Trick Shot once there are no longer any opposing characters adjacent.

Essentually, the only difference between the two feats is that Elite Sniper allows you to range adjacent figures, and Trick Shot lets you range attack through friendlies. Other than that, they do the same things.

EDIT: corrected my spelling mistakes...original quote in W.I.T's quote below

[DrZero]

Trick Shot can't be used if the figure you want to use it with is adjacent to an opposing figure. In a layout like the one you posited, Green Lantern couldn't use it.

[W.I.T]

He can use the Elite Sniper feat card to attack the adjacent figures. If the friendly characters ahev either the PD team ability or the Hydra team ability, then he'd get +? attack, and then +2 from RCE...

He can only use Trick Shot once their are no longer any opposing characters adjacent.

Essentually, the only difference between the two feat is that Elite Snipe allows you to range adjacent figures, and Trick Shot lets you reange attack through friendlies. Other than that, they do the same things.

Actually, they don't. Sharp Shooter only allows you to make Ranged Attacks when based and ignore opposing characters for LoF. You can't shoot through friendly figures as you can with Trick Shot.

[Harpua]

Actually, they don't. Sharp Shooter only allows you to make Ranged Attacks when based and ignore opposing characters for LoF. You can't shoot through friendly figures as you can with Trick Shot.

Um...that is what he said.

[BLACKHEART25]

Yeah, but he just wanted to make that clear!:)

[Daky]

ur spending 40 points on one person...

I've seen people spend more.

Fort an Rep Shield are 50

[scehaono]

I've seen people spend more.

Fort an Rep Shield are 50

but at least that's 50 points that do different things,
40 points of almost doing the same thing is a waste

[robedestroyer]

I've put more than 40 points of feats on Thorki and it works wonderfully. I even avoided the cheese of mystic+arachnos/crossgen.

[MacGyver2506]

Actually, they don't. Sharp Shooter only allows you to make Ranged Attacks when based and ignore opposing characters for LoF. You can't shoot through friendly figures as you can with Trick Shot.
Both cards give three different abilites...

Elite Sniper allows you to:
(1) see through Stealth,
(2) see though opposing characters for line of fire, and
(3) make ranged attacks when adjacent to opposing characters

Trick Shot allows you to:
(1) see through Stealth,
(2) see through opposing characters for line of fire, and
(3) see through friendly characters for line of fire

Essentually, the only difference between the two feat is that Elite Sniper allows you to range adjacent figures, and Trick Shot lets you range attack through friendlies. Other than that, they do the same things.

What I said was correct...

What they do different is in my quote...what they do the same is: see through Stealth and see through opposing characters...in other words, "other than that, they do the same thing."

[luper4]

The other difference is that Elite Sniper only ignores stealth, not hindering terrain. A character targeted by Elite Sniper would still get the hindering terrain bonus, ala Cap's special power.

[W.I.T]

Just a question about how the 2 would interact:

Elite Sniper
Prerequisites: Ranged Combat Expert or Super Senses

Choose a character. Ranged combat attacks made by the character ignore other character's Stealth. The character can use the Sharpshooter ability.

Trick Shot
Prerequisites: Plasticity or Ranged Combat Expert

Choose a character.

When making an attack from a square that is not adjacent to an opposing character, the character ignores Stealth and team abilities that duplicate the effects of Stealth, and it ignores characters and hindering terrain for line of fire purposes.

So, since trick Shot specifically says that you can't be adjacent to an opposing character to use it, does the Sharp Shooter ability granted by Elite Sniper over ride that, or does the wording of Trick Shot take precedence? As an example of where this *might* come into play:

G = Green lantern w/TS and Elite Sniper
F= Friendly characters
E= Empty squares
O= Opposing character(s)

EEEEEEOFOEEEEEE
EEEEEEFGFEEEEEE
EEEEEEOFOEEEEEE

Can Green Lantern make Ranged attacks against any of the O figures? Since Sharp Shooter doesn't allow him to make attacks 'through' friendly figures, but Trick Shot does?

Thanks in advance.

He can use the Elite Sniper feat card to attack the adjacent figures. If the friendly characters have either the PD team ability or the Hydra team ability, then he'd get +? attack, and then +2 from RCE...

He can only use Trick Shot once there are no longer any opposing characters adjacent.

Essentually, the only difference between the two feats is that Elite Sniper allows you to range adjacent figures, and Trick Shot lets you range attack through friendlies. Other than that, they do the same things.

EDIT: corrected my spelling mistakes...original quote in W.I.T's quote below

Um...that is what he said.

Both cards give three different abilites...

Elite Sniper allows you to:
(1) see through Stealth,
(2) see though opposing characters for line of fire, and
(3) make ranged attacks when adjacent to opposing characters

Trick Shot allows you to:
(1) see through Stealth,
(2) see through opposing characters for line of fire, and
(3) see through friendly characters for line of fire



What I said was correct...

What they do different is in my quote...what they do the same is: see through Stealth and see through opposing characters...in other words, "other than that, they do the same thing."

My response (and his original response above) was in regards to the diagram in my OP. He's saying that with Elite Sniper, (and the above diagram) that Green Lantern can make a ranged attack against the O figures, which is incorrect, since Green Lantern cannot draw a LoF to them through his own figures with the Elite Sniper card.

That was the point in the 'difference' between the 2 cards. Sorry if I didn't make that clear in my post.

[MacGyver2506]

The other difference is that Elite Sniper only ignores stealth, not hindering terrain. A character targeted by Elite Sniper would still get the hindering terrain bonus, ala Cap's special power.

Good catch. I forgot that.

[MacGyver2506]

My response (and his original response above) was in regards to the diagram in my OP. He's saying that with Elite Sniper, (and the above diagram) that Green Lantern can make a ranged attack against the O figures, which is incorrect, since Green Lantern cannot draw a LoF to them through his own figures with the Elite Sniper card.

That was the point in the 'difference' between the 2 cards. Sorry if I didn't make that clear in my post.

Alright. I guess I misunderstood. Since he is adjacent to all four opposing figures, I didn't think about him being able to draw line of site to them since it wouldn't matter for close combat attacks. I guess he can't see them, but can somehow still punch them. Lol

[W.I.T]

Alright. I guess I misunderstood. Since he is adjacent to all four opposing figures, I didn't think about him being able to draw line of site to them since it wouldn't matter for close combat attacks. I guess he can't see them, but can somehow still punch them. Lol

Hey no problem :p I wasn't exactly clear myself.

Yeah, I *wish* they'd go back to the old LoF where 2 diagonally adjacent figures didn't block LoF. The way it works now creates all sorts of 'weird' LoF headaches. This came up in a game a couple of weeks ago:

E = Empty square
1 and 2 = My figures
5 and 6 = Opposing figures
S = Opposing Stealthed figure in hindering terrain

EEEEEEEEEEEE
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EEEEEE6EEEEE
EEEE12EEEEEE
EEEEEEEEEEEE

So my 1 wanted to make a Ranged attack. He didn't have the ability to see through Stealth, so S was out of the question. He was on a direct diagonal to 5, but because of S and 6 being diagonally adjacent, he couldn't draw LoF to 5. OK, so since 6 is blocking LoF to 5, I guess I can draw LoF to 6 right? Wrong. 2 blocks LoF to 6 so I can't see 6 either. What?!?! 6 isn't in Stealth, and I can't see 5 because 6 is in the way, but I can't see 6 either :tired: ?!?!

Yeah, I like the old LoF better. Much more intuitive IMO.