Buffy VS Angel???

[DTM]

OK, I know by posting this Im declaring myself the Ultimate Buffy nerd, so sue me, Im at work and its lunchtime. :)

OK, heres the questions. Cast of Buffy, vs the cast of Angel, who would win?

Buffy Cast: Buffy, Spike, Giles, Willow, Zander, Anya, Dawn

Angel Cast: Angel, Connor, Wesley, Cordelia, Gunn, Lorne, Fred


Cast your votes......or not, its up to you.

[Badges2]

What type of fight?

Character vs Character?

Actor vs Actor?

Clix vs Clix?

[DTM]

Oh, sorry about the lack of details. Not Clixwise, since this is the NON clix message board, Im basically talking in the show, as the characters they are, group vs group, who would win?

[spanishyoda]

I'd say the Buffy cast. It would probably come down to just Buffy Will and Spike against the entire cast of Angel, but the Slayer and the worlds most powerful witch would be the ones left standing.

[Meepo]

Willow would go dark, Xander has a hard time keeping his belly tucked in, Dawn would be whining or stealing, Buffy would get snotty, and Spike is now a candy-### (although after last night, he may be getting better...).

Count me in the Angel cast camp for victories.

[ultimatemark]

All of us who hate these shows! :D

I've actually Firelorded down and watched the shows, but they couldn't get me too interested (despite the T&A). I don't like the shows, but I wouldn't call those that do nerds, geeks, dorks, or any other non-name. To each his own...

If the fight were to happen, I'd vote for Buffy's squad, but only if it was a fight in bikinis.

[bakija]

>>Buffy Cast: Buffy, Spike, Giles, Willow, Zander, Anya, Dawn>>

Well, Buffy and Spike are pretty bada$$. Willow can be very dangerous. Giles is certainly formidable in both magic and hand to hand combat (he caught a swinging axe...). Xander isn't useless. Anya and dawn are certainly scarppy, but mostly non issues.

>>Angel Cast: Angel, Connor, Wesley, Cordelia, Gunn, Lorne, Fred>>

Angel and Connor, defenite bada$$es. Wesley is kind of fresh now, what with his John Woo-esque two fisted gun fighting action (but those things *never* do any good...) and all. Gunn is very fighty. Cordelia is pretty handy. Lorne and Fred, also scarpy but mostly non-issues.

In hand to hand combat, I'd call is mostly even, but the magic angle tilts towards Buffy and pal.

Now I'd like to disect the scientific inaccuracies of Earth II...

-Peter

[Darkhawk_76]

What if Angel goes all Angelus on their butts? Would that help any?

[bakija]

>>What if Angel goes all Angelus on their butts? Would that help any?>>

Well sure, but then he loses his pals. That, and Spike took out Angelus with a cro-bar.

Now if Angel got Faith on his side, they might have a chance.

And I still think Galactus can beat up Superman.

-Peter

[texaswashingto]

No contest. Willow would bust out the uber-witchness and either freeze/fry/nullify the Angel crowd before the groups even got within earshot of each other.

[DTM]

OK, I see Darth Rosenberg is reallt tipping the vote in Buffys favor, with her almost destroying the world and all. So lets say no Dark Willow allowed, just as no Angelus allowed, for the same reason. If Williow turned EVIL again, her own team would gang up against her, as would Angels team if Angelus was reborn. So as is, with Willows normal, though very potent, witch-like abilites. Dont forget Cordelia was a "higher being" with a good amount of potential on her end as well.

[Emerald Knight]

I like angel a shi*tload more, but i think realistically buffy would win

[proditor]

Well, and then there's the whole Cordy not being Cordy thing...

[StormMaster]

First season of Angel was awesome, anything after it got way to stupid.

Especially after Connor was born, then somehow grew older within 4-5 episodes; sorry I don't care what the storyline was and how it happened, the whole thing was just incredibly stupid.

Buffy, now that's a good show (or was a good show I should say), put it this way, it was my favorite show (other than charmed) on tv when it was on WB. The second it went to UPN (though I still watch it) I knew it would go downhill, for some reason.

The Buffy cast would just kickass though. Seriously, I mean Willow was causing minor damage to a chick with God status, a psycho (when Angelus) Vampire, a hot anti-buffy, a dork who knows his demons apart....they just wouldn't be able to hold up alone against an uber-witch (kudos to the person who thought of that word ;) ) and the slayer...let alone the other lackies they have to spare.

Plus you have Spike, and he's just a badass; so of course the Buffy cast will win.

[bakija]

>>OK, I see Darth Rosenberg is reallt tipping the vote in Buffys favor, with her almost destroying the world and all. So lets say no Dark Willow allowed, just as no Angelus allowed, for the same reason.>>

Reasonable. The way I see it:

Spike and Buffy nullify Angel and Connor (a zero sum). Fred and Lorne equally nullify Dawn and Anya (all non issues, really). Leaving the toss up between:

Xander, Giles, Willow

vs.

Gunn, Wesley, Cordelia

In a pure mano y mano sense, the Angel group gets the upper hand, as Xander and Willow aren't really much for fisticuffs, where Gunn and Wesley are pretty buff. On the other hand, Willow gets magic, even not counting evil-Willow. And Giles is smarter than all of them, as well as kind of a badass in reality. Thus, I give it to Buffy.

That, and Unicron can beat the Deathstar.

-Peter

[bakija]

Storm Master wrote:
>> Especially after Connor was born, then somehow grew older within 4-5 episodes; sorry I don't care what the storyline was and how it happened, the whole thing was just incredibly stupid.>>

Oh, ya know--he was in a different dimension where time runs faster. Already established as a possibility (Angel was in hell for 100+ years, but only missing from Sunnydale for a few months; people got sent to the communist worker's hell for a really long time but were only missing from LA for a couple days). Connor went in a baby, came out a short time later an 18 year old. Different time rates.

-Peter

[DTM]

UNICRON CAN BEAT THE DEATH STAR!! Now yer gettin' Nasty.

Can anyone say, "Commence primary Ignition"? KABOOM

[Darkhawk_76]

I've been reading posts and writing a few myself, but after the comment I just read I will have to say this will be the last time I visit the Realms. That had to be the dumbest, most retarded comment EVER in the history of dumb, retarded comments. You should be flogged and killed for saying stupid things. This thread went from the semi normal A vs. B thread to a ridiculous mess of letters wasting space on the internet, unlike so many top notch porn sites. Galactus would beat Superman? ARE YOU FRICKIN NUTS????? I give up, this place is a madhouse.

In closeing I'd have to agree that Unicron would kick the Deathstars butt.

Oh and :p .

[gelf13]

Originally posted by Emerald Knight
I like angel a shi*tload more, but i think realistically buffy would win

This is the funniest post I have EVER seen!!
ROFL!!!

My vote goes for the Buffy crowd, for purely esthetic value (Although Cordy.... rowrrrrr!)

Gelf

[texaswashingto]

Originally posted by bakija
>>
Spike and Buffy nullify Angel and Connor (a zero sum). Fred and Lorne equally nullify Dawn and Anya (all non issues, really). Leaving the toss up between:

Xander, Giles, Willow

vs.

Gunn, Wesley, Cordelia

In a pure mano y mano sense, the Angel group gets the upper hand, as Xander and Willow aren't really much for fisticuffs, where Gunn and Wesley are pretty buff. On the other hand, Willow gets magic, even not counting evil-Willow. And Giles is smarter than all of them, as well as kind of a badass in reality. Thus, I give it to Buffy.
-Peter

Actually, you could further cancel out things like this:
Xander and Cordelia would occupy themselves with an old school bickering match canceling them out, and Giles and Wesley would circle each other spouting British curse words at each other in another stalemate. SO, basically it comes down to Willow vs. Gunn. And like previously stated Gunn could beat Willow... if this was a "Hey look how strong I am!" contest, but Willow would just say a few words and either hypnotize him to her side, trap him in some sort of stasis field, or (my favorite) get him to start singing showtunes which confuses him allowing her a chance to severely witch-slap him. And she doesn't even need to be all Uber-Witch (copyrighted, patent pending :). She just needs to say a few words, and then once Gunn's neutralized, help out the others. Aw yeah.

[Azrael0626]

Faith would kick all of their asses. Not to mention that she is just hot as hell! Eliza Dushku is a godess. Where would she fit in? She started on Buffy, but then went to Angel where she will re-appear in two weeks, but I hear she will be in the last 5 episodes of Buffy and will then be in her own possible spinoff. I think she would tip the scale depending on what team she is on.

[Silverbolt]

I'd have to agree (being a raging Buffy fanatic myself, check the sig) that the Buffy crew would win in a straight-up, no-holds-barred fight. Especially after Buffy whupped that UberVamp a few eps ago (walking bruise, heh). However, if we throw Angelus into the mix, then he'd be the only one left standing, no questions asked. He's just that unbelievably cool. He would feed Spike that crowbar.

Of course, I'd be sitting there with a bucket of popcorn for a Faith-versus-Buffy showdown. The catfight to end all catfights! Anyone else think the bikini scene was the best part of "The New Guy?"

-Silverbolt

[DTM]

Buffy certainly put a hurting on that Super Vamp a few weeks ago, but dont count a win for herself so easily. Shed obviously be going up against Angel, and that is one opponent who could certainly be her match in a fight. She would beat Faith, and has, though very narrowly, just about every time they fought. Spike vs. Connor would be a great fight, but I think in the end Spikes experience and more willingness to fight down and dirty would win out in the end, again just barely. Overall Id say the 2 groups of 7 characters are VERY even, really only Willows potential magiks, something shes very wary of using, possibly putting her side over the top. But again, Cordelias higher being powers could conceivably beat even that, only time will tell.

[Billy Jack]

Actually while I perfer Angel to Buffy, (still miss Tara) I think that as long as the Buffy Crowd has Big Red (willow) working for them that the Scoobies have the edge. If Angel can neutrealize willow than the gang from the angel investigations has the better shot. (more brawlers).
Here are two twist that I see happening.
1: Willow goes dark and from some reason Angellus emerges and slashes his way too victory.
2: Angel and Buffy are left alone going to to toe than Faith shows up and snuff's em both out from behind. Anyhow that's how I see it. BJ>

[Billy Jack]

Anyone else dread the thought of a Connor and Dawn kissing scene?

[Emerald Knight]

Originally posted by Darkhawk_76
I've been reading posts and writing a few myself, but after the comment I just read I will have to say this will be the last time I visit the Realms. That had to be the dumbest, most retarded comment EVER in the history of dumb, retarded comments. You should be flogged and killed for saying stupid things. This thread went from the semi normal A vs. B thread to a ridiculous mess of letters wasting space on the internet, unlike so many top notch porn sites. Galactus would beat Superman? ARE YOU FRICKIN NUTS????? I give up, this place is a madhouse.

In closeing I'd have to agree that Unicron would kick the Deathstars butt.

Oh and :p .

you spelled "closing" wrong

[Emerald Knight]

Originally posted by Azrael0626
Faith would kick all of their asses. Not to mention that she is just hot as hell! Eliza Dushku is a godess. Where would she fit in? She started on Buffy, but then went to Angel where she will re-appear in two weeks, but I hear she will be in the last 5 episodes of Buffy and will then be in her own possible spinoff. I think she would tip the scale depending on what team she is on.
how about we make it angel crew vs. scooby crew vs. the as-yet non-exisistent faith crew?

[Kudger]

I'd say that Buffy would beat Angelus hands down. She beat him in season two and how much better has she got since then? Oh, I don't know, she did beat a god! Also, what if Anya became demon again and Buffy wished that the Angel crew went away? :D

[wfm3078]

The Buffy group wins this one, hands-down in my opinion.
First of all, their magical abilities, even without resort to evil, far exceed those of the Angel group.
Second, Buffy is THE SLAYER, for goodness sake, she generally wins on principle. And she has beaten Angel in their only other real hardcore fight (season 2).
Three, Spike would wrap Connor around his pinky. I mean, Spike's killed two slayers for goodness sake, he whipped Angelus with a crowbar, he beat up a bunch of big demons to get his soul, he's incredibly tough. There's just no match there, in my opinion.
Four, Dawn would take out Fred. Xand and Giles together can handle Gunn and Wes (although this is likely the only area where Angel has the upper hand).
It just doesn't seem like much of a match-up to me. Tell me you don't think the Beast would be toast by now if he were opposing Buffy and not Angel?

[DTM]

Dont be too quick to count the B team as the winners here, wfm. Yes, Buffy did in fact beat Angelus in season 2, but that wasnt Angel. True Angelus is more vicious, sneakier and down right EVIL, but he is also cocky, and its THAT cockiness that in fact caused him to lose to Buffy back then. Angel isnt so. Hes smart, an excellent fighter, and VERY tough to kill. Not saying Buffy wouldnt win out in the end there, but it would be VERY close in my opinion on that one.

Spike against Connor Id have to agree with you again, though again, it wouldnt be as easy as you think. True Spike did wrap Angelus pretty good with a crowbar, but that was by surprise, when Angelus didnt even know Spike could walk, let alone would turn on him. You could even say it was that temporary beating that weakend Angelus enough for Buffy to take him then, possibly changing the above B vs A scenario. And Connor is very tough, almost an equal to his father himself, so this would be a pretty good and close match up.

As for Gunn and Wes vs Xander and Giles, this is where Angel definately wins. Gunn is a MUCH better fighter than Xander, even with his mental military training, and after he took him out quick and easy, would easily help Wesley take out Giles, who is pretty much his equal since Wes became all tough and Batman-like these past few seasons.

True Willow has massive magical powers, but now so does Cordellia, though in a battle between the two Id give it to Willow since she has much more experienced using her power.

So we have Lorne and Fred against Dawn and Anya left, and Anya sans Demon means Id definately give this side to Angels team. Lorne may not be tough, but he is a demon, and Id like to think that even he could take Dawn or Anya out. True Dawns been training pretty good, so shed probably put up a good fight against him, so this would probably be closer than I think in the end.

All in all, a VERY close match up between both groups, but when all is said and done Id have to give it to the B team, though VERY narrowly at that.

[Meepo]

Referring to my original message, I just gotta repeat it to all the Pro Spikes:

Spike no longer exists anymore. The true Spike, yes, was the extreme badass.

In my eyes each week for the past two years, that Spike is dead. Buffy has whipped him and his new soul makes him some sort of Spike/William hybrid. The guy is lucky he can stand alone against an alley cat anymore.

As much as I despise Connor, if he and this 'new' Spike went the rounds, I'm pretty sure he'd be needing a dustbuster afterwards.

R.I.P. Spike, we miss ya.

[Emerald Knight]

Waitasecond!

Did we forget about Oz? Because Oz was a great a character and was really strong, and he walways kicked so much ###! I would also like to agree with Meepo's above statement. Spike was my second favorite character from Buffy (Angel was my first and OZ was my third) and his turning good is a part of the reason that I don't watch Buffy.

[Kudger]

If they had this is a battle of TV, what would probably happen is they'd stop fighting after a long standstill, make-up, and go fight the first :D

[Emerald Knight]

just like the Flash Superman race around the world, where it ended up beiing a tie and Spider-Man was pissed because he paid $50 for a ticket*


*This happened in Toyfare's Twisted Mego Theatre

[Hack-n-slash]

Stormmaster wrote:

Especially after Connor was born, then somehow grew older within 4-5 episodes; sorry I don't care what the storyline was and how it happened, the whole thing was just incredibly stupid.

Yeah, it's not like they'd do something so stupid to someone important in the *X-men*... like, say, Storm or Magneto. :D

[Kudger]

Imagine if they had an all villian fight between the Buffy and Angel shows. :D

[Billy Jack]

Originally posted by Emerald Knight
Waitasecond!

Did we forget about Oz? Because Oz was a great a character and was really strong, and he walways kicked so much ###! I would also like to agree with Meepo's above statement. Spike was my second favorite character from Buffy (Angel was my first and OZ was my third) and his turning good is a part of the reason that I don't watch Buffy.
Emerald Knight brings up a good point about Oz, however we forgot about two very important Angel characters. Groo and Doyle. While Groo might not be able to defeat Buffy or Spike he can certainly tie up these characters long enough for the Angel crew to pull off the upset. As for Doyle a half demon on your team is better than nothing. I would at least put him at Oz's level. Anyone else have thoughts about this ? Have a happy BJ.

[DTM]

Well, I was pretty much going for the current B vs A teams, so I didnt really think about Groo or Doyle, especially since Doyle is dead, and has been since the first season. Good character too, after watching the first season on DVD I really do miss the guy. As for Groo, he hasnt been on the show for some time now, but when he was, he was actually really quite powerful. Held his own and more against Angel himself. Only Angel turning ULTRA Demon did he manage to defeat Groo. Wonder if hell ever come back to Angel, shame Doyle wont though, the actor who played him died recently. :(

[Billy Jack]

Dtm, Glenn Quinn played Doyle and passed away earlier this year.
It was a shame too because it actually took a couple of eppy's for me too warm up too him and they killed off his character a little too early if you ask me.
I think this whole Buffy vs Angel fight is going to come down to brawns vs magic, without willow it's a lock for the A-team. With Willow Buffy has the edge. Oh bye the lock i mean I think angel crew will win with some pretty heavy causualties, but a wins a win right :D

[Billy Jack]

Originally posted by Kudger
Imagine if they had an all villian fight between the Buffy and Angel shows. :D
So i guess the question now is who's creepier the mayor or Holland Manners? Gentlemen and ladies place your bets. I vote Holland Manners.

[Billy Jack]

You know I was just thinking about this, would Skip (from Angel) influence the fight or no?

[DTM]

Hmmm, Im actually a huge fan of both shows, and I dont even know who Skip is?