??? on the ALL-BLACK WOLVERINE PROMO (or Daredevil or Hulk, if you have them)

[LurkMaster2000]

i saw in an earlier thread about bragging rights that x-avenger mentioned somethin about the black promo wolverine. i have one of those as well, but i noticed something weird about it. i don't know if i got a fake one or not.

it's exactly the veteran base... it's got a blue AE base, and it says "#075" on the side. the thing i find weird about it is that the spiderman and batman promos have "Promotional" on the sides, whereas this one doesn't.

only thing that's different is the black suit.

it looks like it's got a euro-sealed plastic bag over it, too. so i'm wondering, is this a fake? what's the real one look like? how do i know some cheat didn't just take a vet wolverine and paint it all black? x-avenger, what's yours look like?

do the daredevil and hulk promos have the exact same stats/bases as the daredevil/hulk figures in infinity challenge as well?

[drhypnotic]

My black wolvie looks just like that too. I don't think its fake

[Noman]

I am only aware of 4 HClix promos, which are Batman, Spiderman, Johnny Alpha and Judge Dread.
They all say "promo" on the base.

The Batman and Spiderman figs have altered stats to their later releases - the other two, who can say ?

There is a black Wolverine Unique, and a brown Wolverine LE.

Anyone know if this purported Black Wolverine Promo is a scam ?

All the Best

Noman

[Tsannik]

There are two other promos also rumored to be floating around...


The first is the all black Wolverine. basically what these guys have described here, but I'm not sure about the blue AE base.

The other is supposed to be a IC Hulk, but this seems to be the rarer of the two.

But, since both look exactly like their real versions (except for Wolverine)....

[Unasoda]

No, the black promo wolvie is a legit product. He came with an AE base, with a red experience ring, and a #75 on him. He was made in VERY limited numbers, and was ONLY released at the Toy Fair in 2002. However, unless you are an absolute die-hard collector, there's no point in having him, because unlike the other promo pieces and LEs, his stats are the same as Vet Wolvie.

[Tsannik]

Ooo! Then I want one so my set will be cooler than webhead817's set. Someone want to trade?

[Noman]

Qoute from UnaSoda

"UNLESS you are an absolute die hard collector..."

Sorry, I think I'm having difficulty here - maybe it's the English / American common tongue issue again, but...

but (laughably) I thought for a moment there Unasoda was sugesting a Clix player or collector WOULDN'T WANT a figure he had been unaware of 10 seconds previously, and which only differs by the paint job from the actual figure, which he already has.

Laughable.

Now we all want it.

Those of you that have 2, prepare to be rather rich rather quickly...

LoL

All the Best

Noman

[Thorgrin]

There was a daredevil promo as well. I asked Wizkids a long time ago about the Daredevil/Hulk promo and he said that it is possible that there was a convention that was done prior to the release in NY. So I bought them both and they were sealed kind of like how the spiderman/batman promos were sealed, but they don't say promo or promotional on them. Been contemplating if I even want to keep them anymore as I used to want to collect all the figures, but it's just been so hard with all the LEs out there.

At least they look nice in their packages, though. lol

[LurkMaster2000]

*phew* thanks all. makes me feel a bit better...

so basically, if the promo daredevil and hulk are opened, they're gonna go way down in value since there is nothing to differentiate between an IC booster fig and the promo fig? or do they have those "Spidey-Batman Promo fig enhancement starting clicks" as well?

anyway, thanks again.

[Unasoda]

As I understand it, the only way whatsoever to differentiate the promo Daredevil and Hulk figs from the ones in the regular set is that they came packaged with a card in individually-wrapped boxes.

The thing is, Noman, that the black wolvies can be REALLY expensive, if you can find one AT ALL. Prepare to pay $200 or $300 American for one on ebay; for that price, you can get Bruce Banner, Victor Creed, and other LE pieces that a) are actually different on their dials and b) you can actually use in a game, and might be worth some part of their price.

Also, the black wolvies are almost IMPOSSIBLE to find.

This brings up another point: I suspect that the Johnny Alpha figure distributed at ToyFair may be a ToyFair only promo, and that Dredd will be the "official" promo for IndyClix, much like Spiderman was the "official" promo for Marvel, while Black Wolvie was given away at ToyFair.

Thoughts?

[drhypnotic]

The thing is, Noman, that the black wolvies can be REALLY expensive, if you can find one AT ALL. Prepare to pay $200 or $300 American for one on ebay; for that price, you can get Bruce Banner, Victor Creed, and other LE pieces that a) are actually different on their dials and b) you can actually use in a game, and might be worth some part of their price.

God.. you sure? I have one.. I'd trade it for some good LE's.

Anyone has any offers email me: webmaster@spacefortress.com

[X-avenger]

Yes LurkMaster2000, mine looks exactly the way you describe yours.

Unasoda - $200? Wow! I thought I overpaid with $50. That makes me feel better. Thanks.

[drhypnotic]

I put his picture up if your interested: CLICK HERE (http://www.spacefortress.com/)

[Moriarty]

Promo Hulk does (or rather, will) exist as a retailer give-away for the Movie: apparently retailers will be able to get a set of 100 for £12 (~$18), to dispose of as they see fit (just watch out for some trying to sell them over the odds on eBay). The figure itself will supposedly be just IC Rookies with the only difference being packaging in the vein of other promos.

Moriarty

[webhead817]

I might add my two cents, unasoda is correct across the board. The all black wolverines are near impossible to find, I've talked to wizkids staff that have never even seen them.

As a word of warning, many collector's might only want one that is still sealed in it's original packaging (much like the Hulk and Daredevil pieces). (Why? It would be too easy to forge for one thing.)

That being said, if you have one sealed for trade/sale, let me know before you let Tsannik know. ;)

[webhead817]

drhypnotic, if you don't mind my asking, how much did you pay for yours a while back?

[drhypnotic]

I bought mine on EBAY for $50 June 6th, 2002. I paid with Paypal so I mailed the original seller to see if by anychance he had the photo with the bag but he didn't so I brought wolvie in to work here and took his pic.

Click here to see him (http://www.spacefortress.com)

Webhead is right. Keep him in the bag.. if you don't want to play him.. lol.

I've never painted a Clix. Isn't it pretty obvious if a figure got a repaint?

[webhead817]

Yours looks legit to me.

I think this would be easier to forge because it's just black (not a fancy colored outfit), and a lot of people don't know exactly what he should look like. Of course, I could be wrong. Still, a lot of collectors would want one sealed just on principle.

[Unasoda]

I've seen some repaints that are really great, but they are usually done by people who professionally paint figures (like Warhammer figs). Unless the original paint is stripped, it's pretty obvious when a figure has been repainted - and WizKids figs are almost impossible to strip because the solvent will usually make the fig itself mushy (or melt it outright). So, you look like you've got the real deal.

The black promo wolvie is the only fig I don't care to get into my collection, if only because he's exactly the same as the vet wolvie and he (probably, I've never seen a ruling) isn't playable. Also, he WOULD be fairly easy to imitate with a little paint and patience.

Did anyone here - noman, I'm looking you YOUR direction - go to the UK ToyFair? I'd really like to get my paws on the Johnny Alpha promo, since I reckon he might end up like the Wolvie (and he won't cost me my firstborn.)

[Thorgrin]

Yep, you are correct Unasoda. There are no "promo" tags or anything associated with them, just the packaging and the card inside. Wish I woulda got the black suit wolverine when I had the chance. I do have to admit, he looks nicer in black rather than the yellow/blue. lol

Originally posted by Unasoda
As I understand it, the only way whatsoever to differentiate the promo Daredevil and Hulk figs from the ones in the regular set is that they came packaged with a card in individually-wrapped boxes.

The thing is, Noman, that the black wolvies can be REALLY expensive, if you can find one AT ALL. Prepare to pay $200 or $300 American for one on ebay; for that price, you can get Bruce Banner, Victor Creed, and other LE pieces that a) are actually different on their dials and b) you can actually use in a game, and might be worth some part of their price.

Also, the black wolvies are almost IMPOSSIBLE to find.

This brings up another point: I suspect that the Johnny Alpha figure distributed at ToyFair may be a ToyFair only promo, and that Dredd will be the "official" promo for IndyClix, much like Spiderman was the "official" promo for Marvel, while Black Wolvie was given away at ToyFair.

Thoughts?

[LurkMaster2000]

unasoda - i don't get this:



Unless the original paint is stripped, it's pretty obvious when a figure has been repainted - and WizKids figs are almost impossible to strip because the solvent will usually make the fig itself mushy (or melt it outright)....

The black promo wolvie ..... WOULD be fairly easy to imitate with a little paint and patience.



so it's pretty obvious if it's repainted, but would be easy to do?

anyway, i don't have the eye for being able to tell if a figure has been repainted or not. any hints? it's still in plastic, so i can't touch it, but like i said, i'm not sure if it's a legit plastic bag or just some euro-sealed bag.

[drhypnotic]

Do the inserts in the bag actually discuss the figure? Could you bag a fake and put an insert in from say.. an Beserker Wolvie?

I saw some articles on package tampering too... I personally got 10 starters of DC clix and didn't get 1 unique... crazy huh?

[LurkMaster2000]

Originally posted by drhypnotic
Do the inserts in the bag actually discuss the figure? Could you bag a fake and put an insert in from say.. an Beserker Wolvie?

the insert looks something like the spiderman/batman promo insert, i believe. i'll have to make sure when i get home.

yeah, this is what i'm worried about.

[Unasoda]

Paint jobs look obvious when they are done over existing paint, because the paint gets so thick. It's possible, but highly unlikely, that a person COULD use a stripping agent that somehow didn't melt wolvie's claws and repainted wolvie without the thick paint job. BUT... the time and effort required wouldn't be worth the $50.

The card that came with black wolvie is the same one that came with promo spidey, or it's VERY similar. Talks about: "COMING SOON: MARVEL HERO CLIX INFINITY CHALLENGE!"

It sounds like yours is legit, LurkMaster. I wouldn't worry about it. And even if it isn't, if it's a fake, it's a good enough fake that no one will know. :)

[Noman]

On the Johnny Alpha / Judge Dread promo question - they appear to exist in about equal numbers. Dread is selling for more, as he is the 2000AD flagship character - however, I would expect Johnny Alpha to get more tourney game play. (Stealth and TK with 3 damage on the first click for 44pts.)

Cost ? Well, I've seen several Johnny Alpha's going on ebay at around the £15.00 - £20.00 mark, while Dread goes for about £20 - £30.

There are more of both coming out of the woodwork at the moment, so the prices will obviously start to fall.

I don't have any spares yet, but will post if I do.

All the Best

Noman

[LurkMaster2000]

Originally posted by Unasoda
Paint jobs look obvious when they are done over existing paint, because the paint gets so thick. It's possible, but highly unlikely, that a person COULD use a stripping agent that somehow didn't melt wolvie's claws and repainted wolvie without the thick paint job. BUT... the time and effort required wouldn't be worth the $50.

The card that came with black wolvie is the same one that came with promo spidey, or it's VERY similar. Talks about: "COMING SOON: MARVEL HERO CLIX INFINITY CHALLENGE!"

It sounds like yours is legit, LurkMaster. I wouldn't worry about it. And even if it isn't, if it's a fake, it's a good enough fake that no one will know. :)

:p true, true.

yeah, the paint job doesn't look thick, so if someone took the time to use the stripping agent to "perfection," then i'm perfectly happy with mine. ;)

[Noman]

I have now seen the picture.

Looks real to me.

I think the exact finish would be hard to achieve - the grey lining would be tricky, although the eyes and claws are easy. It looks more of a "dark and varied grey" to me - shame the base is identical - but either way, we have to add it to the list - it's an "official variant."

Short of spending $200 - $300 dollars, this is going to be hard to get.

Does anyone know how many were painted up ?

All the Best

Noman

[drhypnotic]

I posted that I'm interested in trading mine and am getting trashed by people who don't understand why other people would want the fig.. lol. Like I'm holding a gun to peoples heads and trying to force them to trade me! :D

I thought I was pretty fair in my description too: http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=247590#post247590

[Heretic]

Promo Hulk was given out at the 2002 Licensing Show in New York. It has a V ring and is the IC sculpt.

[Aron]

Are Judge Dredd and Johnny Alpha " promos " and thus illegal for tourney play?

[Noman]

I can confirm that they are both promo pieces, as they say promo on the base in little white writing.

They are a promo in the same sense the Batman and Spiderman were.

All the Best

Noman

[Aron]

hmm.. assuming they remain illegal for tourney play, thats too bad ;/

[Noman]

Fair point.

Of course, I'd allow them (like the other promos), but it's a bit far for you to come !!!

Remains to be seen if the actual figs vary from the promos...

AtB

Noman

[Noman]

OK - my source in the UK says the Dark Wolverine comes in sets of 4, and are not sealed or carded.

Could anyone who went to US Toyfair 2002 confirm whether they were definitly bagged and carded, and whether they came in 4's, which sounds a bit odd...


AtB

Noman

[LurkMaster2000]

Originally posted by Noman
OK - my source in the UK says the Dark Wolverine comes in sets of 4, and are not sealed or carded.

what do you mean sets of "4"? as in, dark wolverine, daredevil promo, hulk promo, and spidey promo?

also, mine came sealed and in a card. of course, that doesn't mean a thing.

[Noman]

OK.

Yes, they come in ones, carded and bagged.

No, the supposed one in the Uk wasn't one, it was a NinjaWolvie. (groan).

AtB

Noman