Marvel HerolClix Xplosion : Phoenix

[Draddog]

<TABLE BORDER="0"><TR><TD><IMG SRC="/images/Phoenix.gif"></TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Name:</B> Phoenix<BR><B>Number:</B> 095<BR><B>Play Tip:</B> Cheap enough to field in a 200-point force, Jean Grey as Phoenix is a flying telepath with a top move of 10. Get her across the field to those hard-to-reach heavy objects, and have her toss them around with Telekinesis. Toughness and Energy Shield/Deflection provide protection from other ranged attacks. Protect Phoenix with close-combat and other offensive pieces, and let her smash objects and warriors into each other.<P><B>Design Notes:</B><BR>Okay, first off, this is <i>not</i> Dark Phoenix; and yes, there is a difference. This is Jean Grey as her powers were increasing. She had better control and more power. The stats on this dial reflect that.<P>Because of her increased control, her attack value is a couple of points higher and she can actually use her telekinetic abilities to do damage at a range of 12 – no this isn’t something new to the Telekinesis power; she just has a range value, so she can do damage at range. She still has Telekinesis, which allows her to toss her teammates and any enemies that might get to close up to 10 squares away.<P>Her force field (It’s not a new power for the game; it’s a special effect for some defensive powers and abilities. Plus, here’s a tip: I always capitalize any powers in the game. Telekinesis is a power in the game; force field is not.) is represented by a good defense value and a couple of clicks of Toughness. After those first two clicks, her defense jumps up a bit and she gains Energy Shield/Deflection. Considering she should mostly be used at range, this should be pretty useful. She keeps Telekinesis and Energy Shield/Deflection out to her sixth click, but still has one click left to get away if she can.<P>In addition to all that, she can fly, which should be useful to the X-Men. She also manages to keep a damage value of 2 all the way down the dial, so even at her weakest, she can still deal some hurt.</TD></TR></TABLE>

[MarkFinn]

First Post!

Boom. That's nice. My John Byrne X-Men are going to come together nicely and be a force to be reckoned with.

Flying TK? Good Lord! *Choke* I'm glad that some of these figs (like Nightcrawler) are Uniques...it really cuts down on the abuse factor.

[shin-goji]

WOOT! Just missed!

Ok, on to the real issue. Great sculpt, I can see it easily being mod'ed to reflect Dark Phoenix or other variations. Looks very useable. Can't wait, another great update with a great figure.

[Manchine]

Doesnt look to powerful or out of Character like the last one. Oh look its force field. Oh, its not a new power like I said. So how many points is she?

[Badges2]

She's kinda cool. I was a big fan of not making a Star-Destroying Super-Ultra-Too-Powerful figure. But, oh well.

Her figure is okay, but I think its kinda dorky.

[hourman]

She looks great.

[ducko5]

I like it.

[spanishyoda]

looks like she's 85 points. 12 range! Dang! The x-men will finaly have a few decent fliers. Now all they need is a good cheap taxi. Woo hoo, bring on x-plosion!

[ShortyNoGood]

She is nice, can anyone see her points?

[Raosun]

Range of 12?? heck yeah, does she have multiple targets and what is her cost? Can anyone tell?

[The_Spider44]

well 5 fig previews so far, & everyone has coencided by fig# with my 'pineapple', ..I guess Wiz & Realms failed too convince us that it was fake, ..nice try thou,

..I can't wait till I get th' new DC set info,

[DS-00-0, FSD]

I think Spanishyoda is right: 85 points, 12 range, one target bolt. This is just too awesome. Case of clix, here I come!!!!

[Veggiehater]

Her force field (It’s not a new power for the game; it’s a special effect for some defensive powers and abilities. Plus, here’s a tip: I always capitalize any powers in the game. Telekinesis is a power in the game; force field is not.)


LOL! Good one Mr. L! :D

Anyway, holeee carp! A 12 range flying X folk for 85(?) points! I'm sure a lot of people will be happy with this one. Pretty good sculpt too. :)

VH

[Kirsarge]

Very Nice. Dark Pheonix can't be far behind.

[four_winds]

Alright,everyones finally got their strong leading X-woman,now will you all please leave Elektra alone.

Sidebar:I love phoenix and cant wait to field her on an x-team,YES!

[Sivvius]

She has a 12 range? Thats weird, no one has ever had 12 range before...

[uhchewie]

looks like that phoenix only has one target, but i will take that 12 range, i just with the shield sniper had that range as well.

[Thunderbolts]

Nothing new about flying and TK, each Marvel set has had one, and they've also been Uniques.
Phoenix may be better than Quasar for her points perhaps, but I find it unlikely she's superior to Moondragon.

Edit: Magneto too. Oops.
Edit edit: And Dr. Strange. I'll shut up now.

[strucker]

Another X-Men clix? Bleargh. But, she is cool. gotta admit. And forcefield! Hmmm, who else in this set could have it? How did you miss out on the first post, Manchine? Did Taco Bell extend their "Mass Quantities Chalupa Sale"? Just joking.... :)

[LurkMaster2000]

Talon, you're gonna be in trouble once kaizot fields his new X-men team... ;)

[Spidersense]

Sweet sweet sculpt! Gives me hope for the Wonder Woman sculpt. Did I say that out loud? I am kind of shocked they went up to 12 with the range, I thought they were going to max out at 10. Looks like my X-Factor team is coming together.

[PaladinKWA]

Looks like 65 or 85 points. Hard to tell, but at least the X-men now have 2 flyers! Come on Storm!

[cyberdragon]

Beautiful sculpt. Nice pose.

A very useful flyer for the x team.

Good job WK!

[Melkoloran]

This is going to be one well-used piece I expect.

[CaptainCarl]

fig looks kewl and another xman flier instead of storm or rogue

12 range is kewl but dont overdo it and give it to to many figs

so the 12 range and unique is good so no doubles out their fielding crazy ranged attacks

thecaptain

cant wait to see any other figs with some stats that are out of the norm

[LuckyJ]

Her range of 12 seems, to me at least, that they're designing other figures to counter Firelords. He can't even compete with a range of 12 once you take out his taxi's movement with, say, a coke machine thrown from a rooftop.

this is a wonderful figure and I will play with it nearly every game. I wish she had a bit of MC, though. But I'll take what I can get.

[Spiritual_Ex]

I very much approve, although she is cheaper than I expected, which is good as it means she is usable in the 300 point games I usually find myself in.

PS: on TKers and Flying, seems Magneto has been forgotten.

[the itsy bit]

a beefed up Jean !
Tk and range of 12 is nice A 9 AV?
Now I'm really looking forward to seeing Storm !!

[Zeorymer]

I like the pose and the body seems ok, but I kind of find the face a bit jerky. Still wondering what happened to the talented scuptor who made all the great women figure in DC.

a range of 12 is great but for which attack value ? The character seems ok with the power still I can't see why Psylocke psi power grant her Enhancement and not Jean Grey.

[WASSUPDUCK]

Cool new figure. I still want to see some new faces like Punisher, War Machine, and some cheap fill characters for a change. We all need a few more cheapos with a few cool powers to offset the big dogs like Hulk, Thor, Dr. Doom, and Super Skrull. She looks like she will be able to do some damage for a resonable cost of 85, and she will have the X-men team ability.

[bjmc1975]

Looks like a less-effective version of Moondragon, but not bad. I hope this 12 range doesn't become too common; or at least that they give some close combat people better charge ranges to counter it.

Hopefully next week will be an Iron Man or Hulk villain.

[spawn10]

This means on the Marvel premiere map (outdoor), you can taxi Phoenix in and have first strike! You can cover 21 squares with that. It's a good thing that her damage is only 2 and no EE...

[Styrix]

12 range? Warning, the mystic 10 barrier has been borken! Up next, 14 range with running shot in next expansion. Does anyone else fear MageKnight one-up-man-ship syndrome?

Anyway! great skulpt, maybe, and fun fig. Kinda a more-efficient-for-what-it's-supposed-to-do version of Experienced Magneto. The question is, why should Phoenix, aka suped-up Jean Jeanie, have the longest range? Were previous range 10ers really shorter in ranged effectiveness in comics, or was there a rule just borken?

[JustFrodo]

I like it, but that means nothing since she's Unique and I am the World's Worst Unique-Puller. Maybe if I pop for a case this time...

[Batman1983]

she's a telepath. if they did a Cerebro(a) Chuck, then we should see 18 range (w/ MC). He'd cost a lot though. I love the idea though cause when she becomes Dark Phoenix she could have 12 move (HSS) w/ 12 range. NO ONE IS SAFE!!!! She'd cost more than OWAW Supes though.... Way More!

[StellarX]

Another Wednesday, another chunk of pineapple...

We like this fig (sculpt, paint, powers, the works). Thanx Wizkids.

Yep - a 'John Byrne' X-Men is becoming more feasible - but in my pad they'll forever be the 'Dave Cockrum' X-men. Byrne & Claremont developed these characters into something beyond special - but Cockrum deserves the design cudos for giving them life in the first place. Chris, Dave & John - thanks for making my childhood/teens such a magical time.

Wizkids - thanks for doing likewise for a sad, thirty-something! Eep!

[PantherPriest]

I consider jean a very different figure from magneto, each has tk for different reasons and uses it differently in clix and comics.

However, I am quit impressed with this version, I'm glad they didn't make the overpowered flamming phoenix GOD, I prefer the sensible yet very useful characters ie blackpanther nick fury moondragon vision, phoenix will be good fun. This is what jean should've been in the first place.


...Do you people realize that this is the first figure that we all agree is good, effective, and follows continuity? There hasn't been a single negative comment yet? Quick someone complain about firelord or something!

[Mushroomfantas]

looks like an enhanced moondragon to me

[spawn10]

Firelord is borken, there

[kikerus27]

Originally posted by spawn10
This means on the Marvel premiere map (outdoor), you can taxi Phoenix in and have first strike! You can cover 21 squares with that. It's a good thing that her damage is only 2 and no EE...

Actually, she can be taxied by a vet Voldemort, i mean, Firelord, and cover 24 squares (his movemente is 12 too!).
Nice sculpt, can´t wait to get one!

Junior

[PantherPriest]

you said borken, that's cool

[Sonny Durden]

Originally posted by spawn10
Firelord is borken, there

That is the best reply I've ever read on these boards. We should all strive to reach such perfection.

[rabidroadkill]

Excellent figure and stats! And while it is great to have another flyer for X-Men, looks like we are going to have to wait on Storm, Iceman, or Angel (wonder if any are in Xplosion ;) ) for a cheap taxi.

[BatGambit]

The Swedish chef is always Borking, too....

Anyway, awesome figure! The sculpt should have had a little bit of fire, in my opinion (wouldn't need to be overpowering, but the phoenix signature thing is TK fire, after all), but I will most certainly not complain!

[quixotequest]

Don't hate the sculpt but don't love it, either. The abilities sound great even if a higher AV than 9 on the first click would be ideal. Still sounds like a GREAT member for the X-men.

Every time I think of TK tho, it just bugs me how it is translated to game play. Jean can move objects that aren't next to her. She should be able to move any fig or object within a few spaces of herself. And that goes for any TKer. But if that were so, maybe TK powers should cost more.

Considering how TK is implemented and that firendly figs "fly" for free, there is no reason to replace the rookie Jean Grey as the Battle Fury taxi service. Phoenix just lets her take a more active role than just a taxi service.

[Spookythecat]

I wanted a 300 point Dark Phoenix, Dangit!

....Although this figure certainly makes sense, and is quite a bit closer to the Jean Grey from the last twenty-five or so years of continuity...

And, considering that I did actually request a Phoenix by name and Wizkids gave us one, I can't complain too much.

It's weird... After Infinity Challenge came out, I made a top twelve list of new character variants I'd like to see... and from that, we got a Phoenix, a Six-armed Spider-man, A Mister Fixit Hulk, an Elektra Assassin.

So, from my list, we're just missing....

1. Old Man Vulture
2. Daredevil Born Again
3. Days of Future Past Wolverine
4. Hey-I-don't-suck-anymore-Cap
5. Ultra-Mega Puppet Master (Because nobody...NOBODY got screwed over worse than Puppet Master)
6. Bullseye with Adamantium Skeleton-- With Toughness, B/C/F and Enhancment
7. Ranged Attack/Outwit Kingpin
8. Kang as Rama-Tut

[Basil Elks]

It's good, but dammit, I wanted Rachel, in her "hound" suit.

[scissors]

the paint job on the phoenix symbol is kind of iffy... I hope that is only a problem with that individual piece.
Otherwise holy #### what an awesome figure that with my luck I'll never have.

[spawn10]

Originally posted by kikerus27


Actually, she can be taxied by a vet Voldemort, i mean, Firelord, and cover 24 squares (his movemente is 12 too!).
Nice sculpt, can´t wait to get one!

Junior

Everyone knows that if you use Borkenlord like this, that it is a waste of an action. Would you rather hit for 2 with Phoenix or hit for 5 with FL?

[Emperor Kang]

Great sculpt and great set of powers WK!!! Thanks again. Based on what I've seen so far of X-Plosion, it will be your best set yet. Clobber'n Time was very good - but this is even better.

Thanks for the great work!

[Doc Oc]

Very Nice! I wanted to see Phoenix as a Clix.
Any way 12 range I thought 10 tops WK always seems to amaze me! xplosion looks much better then Clobberin Time.
I like how they made it a unique because at my store all the kids play with common figs that should have been uniques AKA Fire lord.

Hooray WK.

[quixotequest]

Just a nitpick, but the Preview says her movement is 10, with a range of 12. If Firelord carries Phoenix for the attack, her "range" is 24. If Phoenix carried Firelord for the attack his "range" would be 18.

[Beastchylde]

Wow, that is a really cool figure. Sounds like some really good stats too. Much better representation of her from the comix. A 12 range is a little strange to me. Cool but strange. If she has a 12 range than shouldn't Cyclops? I guess I will just have to remake my Cyclops stats with a 12 range.

Still waiting for a Beast..............

[Phantom]

Not only has Magneto been replaced, but Professor X is just plain dead now. Jean has 1) more range, 2) better defensive skills, 3) flight, 4) better movement, 5) TK, and 6) better damage. She’s also cheaper than his Unique version. The only thing the Professor will probably have going for him is his starting attack, which only Vet Controller can match. I still can’t get over.

[StormMaster]

Well, the day they make Storm a cheap taxi will be the day I go cry for hours in my bedroom with my door shut...lol just kidding, but seriously, Storm deserves more than to become a cheap taxi, if we get a cheap X-Man taxi, his name will be Angel.

That Phoenix looks awesome, and to me is what Jean Grey should have been in the first place. Glad we are getting her now though, just further proves the pineapple, and also allows another awesome x-character to add onto my all X-men team ;)

[mark6574]

Originally posted by Phantom
Not only has Magneto been replaced, but Professor X is just plain dead now. Jean has 1) more range, 2) better defensive skills, 3) flight, 4) better movement, 5) TK, and 6) better damage. She’s also cheaper than his Unique version. The only thing the Professor will probably have going for him is his starting attack, which only Vet Controller can match. I still can’t get over.

How is Professor X dead? It doesn't say anything about her having Mind Control. She doesn't replace him at all. She serves a completely different purpose from good ol' baldie...

[hudson20]

Originally posted by Draddog
<TABLE BORDER="0"><TR><TD><IMG SRC="/images/Phoenix.gif"></TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Name:</B> Phoenix<BR><B>Number:</B> 095<BR><B>Play Tip:</B> <P>Her force field (It’s not a new power for the game; it’s a special effect for some defensive powers and abilities. Plus, here’s a tip: I always capitalize any powers in the game. Telekinesis is a power in the game; force field is not.) is represented by a good defense value and a couple of clicks of Toughness.</TD></TR></TABLE>

HA the read my iron man comments!
If you go back to the iron man thread two weeks ago, I made a big thing about thinking that forcefield was a new power. Some one obviously read those because they talked about it here!

Yeah I'm the man. Wizkids listens to me.

Now if only they would find some of my firelord threads. :(

[quixotequest]

Well, unless someone uses Steel, Firelord E or V is the only cheap taxi to use for a maximum flight movement of 12. So to use Phoenix to hit at range for maximum potential Firelord is a GREAT taxi to use.

Still a E Firelord/Phoenix combo will cost 166 pts to hit for 2 damage at 24 range with an AV of 9.

A Firelord/Firelord combo will only cost 162 pts to hit for 5 damage at 20 range with an AV of 12. Bump up to 178 pts and you can have a 13 AV at the same range.

Considering the board layout, FL will still reign Cheese Supreme. At least there is a non-cheese aletrnative to still hit for some damage at an impressive range.

[ducko5]

Iron Man has been the only one off on my pineapple. Anyone have a perfect pineapple so far?

[bakija]

Are we sure that she actually has a range of 12? Could she have, say, a range of 8 and running shot or something?

Not that it is impossible that she has a range of 12, but it seems odd to break the range 10 barrier with someone like Phoenix, who isn't necessarily a super long range fighter, just a powerful tk.

-Peter

[bjmc1975]

It looks like a 12 on the rotatable figure. I'm not 100% sure, but probably a solid 75%

[mark6574]

Originally posted by ducko5
Iron Man has been the only one off on my pineapple. Anyone have a perfect pineapple so far?

Actually, even though they have Ironman listed as 82-84, if you look closely at the figure, the Vet seems to have the number 78 which would match the most widely used Pineapple out there. Either WK made a typo, or they did it on purpose to throw people off. Either way, it has matched up perfectly so far.

[mark6574]

Originally posted by bakija
Are we sure that she actually has a range of 12? Could she have, say, a range of 8 and running shot or something?

Not that it is impossible that she has a range of 12, but it seems odd to break the range 10 barrier with someone like Phoenix, who isn't necessarily a super long range fighter, just a powerful tk.

-Peter

If you read the designer notes, he specifically says she has a range of 12. No question about it.

[mercer]

Kewl sculpt, awesome range, but I don't agree on the powers. I remember the original Phoenix being more "power-cosmic" than this. Yeah, I know Dark Phoenix was the one that blew up all that Shi'ar sh**, but I stil remember Phoenix having some type of energy explosion, a la He Who Shall Not Be Named. Am I wrong? Oh, god if I am, I'm sure I'll hear about it.......

[Beastchylde]

It definately looks like a 12 range on the Wizkids website. I think this proves that they will continue to do new things and not be confined by what they have already done. Yes it will eventually make some of the older figures less useable or even useless, but they will continue to add new ideas. Long live Wizkids.

[walksthestorm]

I have to agree with Basil on this one. I wanted that Pheonix to be Rachel Summers so badly. It all seemed to work for my Excalibur team......... Nightcrawler, Kitty Pride, Colossus, Pheonix, Wolfsbane. Dang, all we needed left was Megan, Captain Britian, and Pete Wisdom. But no Douglocke.......... PLEASE!! Was I the only one upset about this? I know that if I get one, the sculpy and paint brushes are coming out!!

[The Sandman]

As someone mentioned, what happened to mind control?

[Magnito]

Need to comment on the trend
Psyloke REV
Spiderman U
Iron Man REV
Electra U
Daredevil REV
Phoenix U

[Joe Kerr]

Now I must have this figure.

[Doctor Strange]

People, I am SO happy with this figure. It's got the damage reduction I thought Jean should have, the flying base and actual ranged attacks (and what attacks they are)

I think she will be fun to field with Psylock.

About the mind controll thing. It would be a huge suprise if they ever gave jean grey mind controll. She is a telepath, true.. but she never uses that power to take controll of other people. Xavier does that, but jean more or less reads minds and comunicates with friends.

[Quarantine]

Ah yes! Finally, the real Jean Grey (not the cheapo movie-esque version) is here! Now I can do my Vet X-Men team without Dr. Strange guest-starring. How great is that? Good job, Wizkids! I dunno how close they were listening to the grumblings I made about the first one, but they sure have pleased me on this version of Phoenix. Can't wait to see what they have next!

[Iron Angel]

Am I the only one who thinks this fig actually sucks?

Her sculpt is pitiful. It conveys nothing of the power and the glory that Phoenix possessed. It's another lanky, ill-proportioned sculpt with a second-grade paint job. To say nothing of that 33 pound head that seems to be squatting on her shoulders.

And the powers are laughable. Mind Control should have been the first thing on her dial, along with Super Senses. She's as powerful a telepath as Professor X, for crying out loud! She knows what you're going to do before you do! Arguments could also be credibly made for Outwit, Barrier, Incapacitate, Perplex, Willpower, even Hypersonic Speed.

Her TK and range are good, but unless you're doing a lot of pushing how often is the TK/flight combo really going to be useful? And yes, I'm referring to Phoenix, not Dark Phoenix. Even before she lost control she controlled the primal absolutes: Creation and Destruction. Almost nothing was beyond her power. Read the books and you'll see I'm right.

Everyone who wanted a Phoenix fig, congrats. You got her. And you can keep her.

[Ramplate]

Coolness, sounds really good!

[Noman]

This is great, but I want Rachel for Christmas.

(Hang on, that didn't sound quite right - I meant for the Christmas expansion - you know , the one with the Defenders in it...no, I didn't mean want in THAT sense, I meant "want" in the sense of....carries on attempting to explain to wife and son, who are looking at the screen and laughing...)

When in a hole, stop digging.


LoL

All the Best

Noman

[Joe Kerr]

I don't see anything wrong with the sculpt and compared to Psylocke I really don't see anything wrong with the sculpt. Now I'm really glad I'm getting two cases. At first I was a bit worried about that, but really I'll be saving money since I bought a case and who knows how many more Clobberin' Time boosters.

[ToadROCKS]

I'm gonna use Cyke with her Nightcrawler too, Colossus, Storm heck maybe all the giant sized X-men!!!!

[ToadROCKS]

they keep on forgetting her mind control, c'mon Wizkids!!!

[bizzaro]

Originally posted by Iron Angel
Am I the only one who thinks this fig actually sucks?

Her sculpt is pitiful. It conveys nothing of the power and the glory that Phoenix possessed. It's another lanky, ill-proportioned sculpt with a second-grade paint job. To say nothing of that 33 pound head that seems to be squatting on her shoulders.

And the powers are laughable. Mind Control should have been the first thing on her dial, along with Super Senses. She's as powerful a telepath as Professor X, for crying out loud! She knows what you're going to do before you do! Arguments could also be credibly made for Outwit, Barrier, Incapacitate, Perplex, Willpower, even Hypersonic Speed.

Her TK and range are good, but unless you're doing a lot of pushing how often is the TK/flight combo really going to be useful? And yes, I'm referring to Phoenix, not Dark Phoenix. Even before she lost control she controlled the primal absolutes: Creation and Destruction. Almost nothing was beyond her power. Read the books and you'll see I'm right.

Everyone who wanted a Phoenix fig, congrats. You got her. And you can keep her.

Phew! I was worried that we'd actually have a figure everyone liked!

If your "read" the books you'll see she started out at a low level, unsure of her powers/capabilities and they eventually got stronger. She ran out of power very quickly (magneto defeated her in one encounter) and yes, she eventually did get extremely powerful right before she became dark phoenix.

I'm pysched with this piece ... can't wait to see dark phonix too .....

[ToadROCKS]

I do agree with Iron Angel, wheres her mind control?

and could I have a better fig. on the base?

plus forget toughness where's invulnerablity? impervious?

but we should be happy that we got her anyway, right people?

[Thunderbolts]

Um, this is presumably the modern day Jean Grey, who often uses the codename Phoenix and has been known to wear that costume. Not the super powerful Phoenix she once was (and certainly not Dark Phoenix). No MC is a bit of a 'whuh?' but she isn't the equal of Xavier at telepathy, by far.

Edit: Oh. She comes from the time when she didn't really have much telepathy, just Telekinesis. My bad.

[hemlock]

Well reading the little info, it says she is a flying telepath meaning she might have mind control. I am just happy to see that the fig looks good and they didn't go crazy and make her 150 points with a stronger dial which would be closer to when she became dark Phoenix. I just want to see Storm!!!

[paladin72]

Great fig. Sculpt looks pretty good to me, and she is accurately represented. This will really help fill out a great X-Men roster. Can't wait for release.

[Puuka]

Originally posted by PaladinKWA
Looks like 65 or 85 points. Hard to tell, but at least the X-men now have 2 flyers! Come on Storm!

Xmen had 2 fliers in the first set, Rogue and Magneto, who was also a Flying TKer and not a unique

[mark6574]

Originally posted by Puuka


Xmen had a flier in the first set, Magneto, who was also a Flying TKer and not a unique

That's true, but we all know that Chucky has to be on the team and you can't have both Mags and him.

[littletrancebo]

Okay not to bad. It sounds like a taxi that can blow you away. So is this more proff that the list is correct ?

[LuckyJ]

well for all you Dark Phoenix lovers out there, maybe we'll have a Dark Phoenix big fig for Xplosion where she's in the middle of a huge translucent, Sinestro-esque firebird!

Apocalypse is a unique, so he won't be the big fig. I think with her powers and their increases she would be great for 100,200,300 point value. Also, she's one of the enemies that the X-men took on as an entire team and had penty of difficulty beating, even together.

A word on the sculpt of this Phoenix: She looks like Rogue's sculpt. I really was hoping for something more Human-torchish.

Another comment: Is anyone really bored with the paint jobs? I can paint better than this for chrissake! You would think that they would at least keep them from looking messily painted even if they can't paint them as well as HT. These don't even look as good as Clobberin' Time! They look like Infinity Challenge with the huge bulging eyes, abnormally freakish lips, and rough color borders. I just don't understand it! If they can be so great for DC then why is Marvel so much worse?

[CandySuxxx]

i too was hopin' for a dark phoenix or even a current phoenix, but im very pleased w/ this lower point, no mc version. she fits the mold claremont/cockrum made years ago. which i believe was the x-men at thier best. imo byrne's pencils didnt compare. lookin' forward to a dark phoenix, but my wait is for a current phoenix. she would be very powerful w/ mabye tk, pskblast, and mc. 'cause she is down right powerful!

[Spider-fan 930]

The Phoenix looks great, but what I want to see is a sneak peek of a villain.

[Spiritual_Ex]

I think I'll use her much the same way as standard Jean at the beginning of the game, TKing up my B/C/Fers, but then unlike normal Jean she because this awesome ranged support piece that can snipe a safe distance picking off the B/C/F victims and allowing Wolvesbane and Wolverine to move on to their next victim.

Pretty obvious tactic I suppose :) But I can see it being fairly effective.

[StormMaster]

Man, a lot of the women are coming from the X this set, it will be fun to make a really powerful female team of X-Women. Can you imagine how much a$$ a team consisting of:

V Psylocke
U Phoenix
V Storm
E White Queen
V Rogue
V Wolfsbane (only because she's an x-woman, otherwise I wouldn't)
V Shadowcat


Oh man, I can't WAIT until I get all my favorite X-Men. I'm also really looking forward to the Viper figure that the pineapple says we are getting. (Then you could make an AWESOME hydra team, the beautiful but deadly Viper, the ugly and deadly Red Skull, plus as many lackeys as you see fit, man Xplosion is gonna be the best expansion ever !!!!!!!!!)

[The Stinger]

It sounds like she has a 2, yes TWO, range, plus the 10 for telekenesis which equals out to 12 range with an OBJECT. Read it over carefully, you will see what I mean.

Not a printed 12 range.

Re-read the description. 12 range, no this is not new to telekenesis, its just that now she has a ranged attack. All other Jean Grey had 0 range, this one probably has 2.

2+10=12

Thats how I took the description anyway.

[Dryden]

A) Even with a range of 2 and TK, there's no way to do damage at 12 squares away (cf: Magneto)

B) Check out her spinny version of the pics on WizKids site. It clearly looks like a 12 range, 1 arrow to me.

Dry

[StormMaster]

No, it IS a 12 range, it is clearly stated on the dial, and Jon Lietheurseriu...or whatever his name is said that the range 12.

[stylinsid]

well maybe there is still hope for the dark phoenix big fig it would e great ...I can see her in red uniform in the center of that plastic bird already lol....

[MarkStewart]

Wow, this looks like a very nice figure, well done Wizkids. This will make a nice addition my X-Men team. Can you imagine being able to put Cyclops anywhere you want within twelve spaces? Not bad.

[Thanosied]

Yeah not bad I would have liked to see a little exchange in the dial with TK and EE and maybe an 8 click figure. But all in all she looks pretty good and Im sure she means to represent the Jean Grey when she first got those powers. Can't say I hate or like her yet I will have to see the whole dial but I most likely will try her out in some 300 point game at some point. I don't really mind if she has MC because in the comics she would rather overwhelm her opponents with power than by controlling there minds. But definitely energy explosion could have been there. Hopefully a 10 attack though :) ! And Jon make my dream come true with that new Thanos. If you need to collaborate about his dial message me :). PEACE IM OUTTA HERE !!!

[The Stinger]

Yeah, I see now on the Wizkids site that it is a 12. Much better picture. Whew....that is going to be something. And cheap enough to field in a 200 point team? She should be a staple of every team with that kind of range and consistent damage.

Probably be one of the most sought after uniques in the set.

[Dalmatio69]

Nice. Real nice. Out of all the previews thus far, this is the figure i will be trying to get first. Though her stats dont sound to useful, shes cool.

Unless of course there is an Apocalypse.....

Man thatd thing sell for more than Nightcrawler i bet.


Edit: I didnt read any previous posts, so forgive me if someone else allready said this. But when he says "her points are a little higher" is he perhaps comparing it to a non-unique Pheonix version? Or perhaps a Dark version in the set?

Hmm...

"Because of her increased control, her attack value is a couple of points higher and she can actually use her telekinetic abilities to do damage at a range of 12"

[mark6574]

Originally posted by Dalmatio69
Edit: I didnt read any previous posts, so forgive me if someone else allready said this. But when he says "her points are a little higher" is he perhaps comparing it to a non-unique Pheonix version? Or perhaps a Dark version in the set?

Hmm...

"Because of her increased control, her attack value is a couple of points higher and she can actually use her telekinetic abilities to do damage at a range of 12"

He means it is a couple points higher then the original Jean Grey's atack value.

[GroovyBoy]

Originally posted by Iron Angel
Am I the only one who thinks this fig actually sucks?

Her sculpt is pitiful. It conveys nothing of the power and the glory that Phoenix possessed. It's another lanky, ill-proportioned sculpt with a second-grade paint job. To say nothing of that 33 pound head that seems to be squatting on her shoulders.

And the powers are laughable. Mind Control should have been the first thing on her dial, along with Super Senses. She's as powerful a telepath as Professor X, for crying out loud! She knows what you're going to do before you do! Arguments could also be credibly made for Outwit, Barrier, Incapacitate, Perplex, Willpower, even Hypersonic Speed.

Her TK and range are good, but unless you're doing a lot of pushing how often is the TK/flight combo really going to be useful? And yes, I'm referring to Phoenix, not Dark Phoenix. Even before she lost control she controlled the primal absolutes: Creation and Destruction. Almost nothing was beyond her power. Read the books and you'll see I'm right.

Everyone who wanted a Phoenix fig, congrats. You got her. And you can keep her.

You did read the part that mentioned this is not Phoenix at the height of her power, right? You know this isn't Phoenix currently, right?

Oh heck, arguments could be credibly made for most superheroes to have Willpower. I mean, how many times have we seen our favorite heroes on th eedge of exhaustion, but still duking it out (um, every other issue)? How about incapacitate? Come on, fanboys, all our favorite heroes trip up and knock out their enemies more than damage them. And let's give em all Outwit while we're at it, since they're all so darn clever!

Get a grip or buy a paintbrush, pal.

[Billy Jack]

Wow first a decent Spiderman, than *dream of dreams* Iron Man, know a great Phoenix. I love this new set so far. It just keeps getting better and better.

[The Burt]

Excellent. Looks great. Looks useful. Great addition.

[Van Fanel]

Wow. Not exactly the Phoenix I expected, but still great, nonetheless. The Jean Grey I thought they should've made in the first set. My X-Men team is coming together nicely. Now... there's only Storm left. Man... if I wasn't broke, I'd be buying a case... I guess I'll just settle for half a case...

p.s.: What's a pineapple? I must sound like a dolt, but everyone keeps mentioning it.

[Doctor Strange]

Originally posted by Van Fanel
What's a pineapple? ....must sound like a dolt...

No, not dolt, Dole.

Um, I cant really say.... You'll have to make due with the massive ammounts of poorly veiled context clues. :)

[StormMaster]

You see, the pineapple is a rare fruit, that sometimes gets thrown all over the message boards. Eventually everyone gets a slice of the pineapple, but not everyone likes it...some because of its consistency, others for its sweetness. A lot of pineapples had to be adjusted for their bitterness, however, there is one pineapple that has been good, juicy, and sweet from the beginning.

Understand now?

(if not you probably won't til xplosion is on the shelves, hehe, I probably just confused you more)

[the itsy bit]

now for a more serious note:

for all the people who didn't bother to read the story from the designer:

This is NOT the overpowerfull Phoenix
TK has a maximum range of 10
Phoenix has a ranged attack of 12 !
forcefield is a colorfull desription of the powers on the defence stat : like toughness,E/SD etc. .. It's NOT a new power.
Phoenix flies 10 speed, nope she doesn't have RS (which is a shame,really)
she will likely have a 9 AV (this is a calculated guess)

As it is she is just a better Jean, would I mind it If I didn't pull her.
No, not really, the Jean I have now will do just fine.

the hottest unique will be and remain the only unique I MUST absolutely have: NIGHTCRAWLER !!

[darkseid911]

hey spookythecat, dont forget about a super magneto(like he really is) for your list of people we want.

[darkseid911]

also i think u guys are forgeting something, tk only works for up to ten spaces.

[WeRVenom]

I gotta say I'm impressed, but I do have one concern. If she doesn't have support I'm probably gonna keep on using the V from IC. Yeah I know its only one click but its pulled my X-Men out of quite a few jams.

[Invisible_Jon]

Greetings All,

Someone mentioned that Psylocke has Enhancement.

It's clearly stated that Phoenix has 12 range and a minimum of 2 damage throughout her dial.

Therefore, Phoenix + Psylocke = 3 damage (minimum) at 12 range. If anyone comes in to go base-to-base, Psylocke can BCF 'em and Phoenix can toss 'em back out to 10 squares.

Pretty nasty...

Best Regards,

[Pontifex]

For once, I can't really think of any criticisms. The figure looks good, she fills an important niche on the X-Team (a ranged-attacking flyer with TK - Wolverine Delivery, get clawed in 30 minutes or less or it's free...), she seems to cost about right if she is 85 points, and she actually makes Jean Grey into a character worth fielding.

Of course, it has to be a unique, and somehow I can see this being the Nightcrawler of Xplosion in terms of supply and demand. However, that's a marketing decision, not a game design one, so kudos to Wizkids' design team for this one.

[Drashia]

There's the pose i was looking for in Psylocke... but I'm not going to waste a unique for that.

Great fig WK. I especially like the designer notes supplied with each preview. Gives us insight on why certain powers were chosen instead of others. Good stuff.

"New" figs I'm hoping for:

Capt America
Thanos
Hulkbuster Iron Man
Alpha Flight Wolvie or Team X Wolvie
Lady Mandarin
Beta Ray Bill
Cosmic Spidey
Magneto Master of Magnetism or AoA
Rogue with SS

[Joe Kerr]

Actually I think Spider-Man and Hulk will be the big uniques for this set. And if Weapon X is a big game breaker he'll be the one everyone wants.

[A_Higher_Level]

Originally posted by LuckyJ
well for all you Dark Phoenix lovers out there, maybe we'll have a Dark Phoenix big fig for Xplosion where she's in the middle of a huge translucent, Sinestro-esque firebird!

... I think with her powers and their increases she would be great for 100,200,300 point value. Also, she's one of the enemies that the X-men took on as an entire team and had penty of difficulty beating, even together.


Is it just me or are those oversized figures overrated?!

I mean, I can always win against the 300/200pt versions, but it's their 100pt versions that kicks my butt! I mean, look at this. With a 300pt army I take Bullseye and hit the Sentinel for 3 clicks of damage. I now have a 300pt team against a 200pt Sentinel. I then TK a Perplexed attack Whirlwind and Flurry for 3 (we'll assume one attack missed). I now have a 300pt team fighting a 100pt Sentinel. It's only when someone brings out 2 100pt Sentinel against my 200pt team that I start to sweat bullets. Or 3 100pt Sentinels against my 300pt army.

[Joe Kerr]

The first time I tried out Sinestro was just fooling around that night with a custom Avenger's Mansion map. He would have probably been a little too much for them to take except he couldn't get in the door and even if he blew a hole in the wall, the hall way was only 1 square wide so he'd had to destroy everything just to get within range of them.

And I'm sure these big figs have the same problem on all indoor maps since everyone says to counter one with it.

That's the real downside to these guys. If Sinestro could have been able to phase or something he would b a good fig to field. Maybe they should get a rule where they can just walk thru walls.

I think a big Dark Phoenix figure would look cool but that's about it. I wouldn't even care if they repainted this one and gave it a Dark Phoenix dial which I plan on doing anyway.

[JacinB]

I'm interested to see how the range 12 would work with the objects as he suggests ...

I'm relatively certain that TK specifically says that it has a range of 10, and that it can be used with objects 'as weapons', right?

Well then, without also having Super Strength, how would she be able to make anything but her regular 2 damage ranged attack at the 12 range? And how would she be able to move an object or character 12?

I'm not saying that she's not a great figure ... I certainly want one. I'm just curious as to how this would work 'technically' with the rules as they've already been established.

[Pontifex]

Originally posted by JacinB
I'm interested to see how the range 12 would work with the objects as he suggests ...

I'm relatively certain that TK specifically says that it has a range of 10, and that it can be used with objects 'as weapons', right?

Well then, without also having Super Strength, how would she be able to make anything but her regular 2 damage ranged attack at the 12 range? And how would she be able to move an object or character 12?



I know that I'm usually one to critique figures and their design, but in this case, the designers *already answered this question*. Go read the original posting again.

Phoenix has the following:

TK power. TK has range 10 as part of the rules for the power. Her range of 12 for her RANGED ATTACK does not change the rules for Telekinesis.

A basic attack that does at least 2 clicks. This attack has the 12 range, not TK.

Why is this so hard for some people to grasp? Why isn't it hard for people to figure out the difference when the IC Jean Grey figure, with range ZERO, or a Mandroid is using TK? Think!

Come on, folks - sure, we want to give our opinions on Wizkids releases, but this one's in black and white, written down.

She CAN'T move an object or character at range 12 because the rules for TK specify that she can't.

[A_Higher_Level]

Originally posted by Pontifex

Phoenix has the following:

TK power. TK has range 10 as part of the rules for the power. Her range of 12 for her RANGED ATTACK does not change the rules for Telekinesis.

A basic attack that does at least 2 clicks. This attack has the 12 range, not TK... She CAN'T move an object or character at range 12 because the rules for TK specify that she can't.

I think what Jon was trying to create was a more powerful TK version of Jean Grey. Even more powerful than the Mandroid Armor. His only problem was that could not modify the TK superpower, however he could modify her stats to better 'represent' a more powerful TK ability. A range of 12 and damage of 2 'simulates' an object that can be thrown 12 squares away as an attack (just as Toughness 'simulates' a force field). The initial Jean Grey figure had no range, and her damage was only a 1.

[JacinB]

Originally posted by Pontifex
I know that I'm usually one to critique figures and their design, but in this case, the designers *already answered this question*. Go read the original posting again.

Phoenix has the following:

TK power. TK has range 10 as part of the rules for the power. Her range of 12 for her RANGED ATTACK does not change the rules for Telekinesis.

A basic attack that does at least 2 clicks. This attack has the 12 range, not TK.

Why is this so hard for some people to grasp? Why isn't it hard for people to figure out the difference when the IC Jean Grey figure, with range ZERO, or a Mandroid is using TK? Think!

Come on, folks - sure, we want to give our opinions on Wizkids releases, but this one's in black and white, written down.

She CAN'T move an object or character at range 12 because the rules for TK specify that she can't.

You're right Pontifex. I just misinterpreted what he'd originally written about her using her 'telekinetic powers' from that range which was immediately followed up with a comment about objects and other characters.

And, after reading 80+ posts in response, I didn't remember exaclty what was written and whether or not the 't' on 'telekinetic abilities' was capitalized or not.

I apologize that my post was unclear and that it inspired such a virulent response from you. Perhaps next time I make a mistake in my interpretation of what the designer wrote, you could post something like that without coming across like a complete horse's ### ... ?

[Dalmatio69]

Originally posted by Invisible_Jon
Greetings All,

Someone mentioned that Psylocke has Enhancement.

It's clearly stated that Phoenix has 12 range and a minimum of 2 damage throughout her dial.

Therefore, Phoenix + Psylocke = 3 damage (minimum) at 12 range. If anyone comes in to go base-to-base, Psylocke can BCF 'em and Phoenix can toss 'em back out to 10 squares.

Pretty nasty...

Best Regards,

I think id rather surround my Thanos with 4 or 5 of them. 8 damage? Nice.

Maybe surround sentinel with, how many squares possible? 12(ish)? 12+ damage! Nice.

[Magneto666]

Originally posted by Magnito
Need to comment on the trend
Psyloke REV
Spiderman U
Iron Man REV
Electra U
Daredevil REV
Phoenix U


And the trend continues with The Beast R/E/V......

[the itsy bit]

Originally posted by Dalmatio69


I think id rather surround my Thanos with 4 or 5 of them. 8 damage? Nice.

Maybe surround sentinel with, how many squares possible? 12(ish)? 12+ damage! Nice.

we have a NO duplicates rule where we play.
So people who want to play CHEESE at least have to been ingenuiitive!!

[WeRVenom]

I'm all about that no duplicates rule. unless they're a nonamed lackey or doombot or the such. When I see 4 Dr. Stranges coming at me the comic geek in me cries.

[Paddy]

Very cool fig again. i am really looking forward to the X-Men. Now I can build the team I have wanted.

[clix]

This figure looks awesome. I like to use Jean Gray in battle and hopefully Phoenix is better than her.

[Dalmatio69]

Originally posted by the itsy bit


we have a NO duplicates rule where we play.
So people who want to play CHEESE at least have to been ingenuiitive!!

Yea, i allmost never use dupes, but where i play its allowed. I gurantee in like a 400+ point game someone will be surrounding their guys with 4 or 5 psylockes.