phoenix range of 12?

[cephusdog]

Without seeing the dial it's hard to judge but a figure with range 12 and flying is going to be terrifyingon the board. Broken? hmmm....

[hudson20]

I haven't seen her yet, but a 12 range with 2 damage just ain't that broken. It's hardly "firelordish" when she only deals 2 damage. With the taxi rules around there are people who can shoot for a much longer distance right now.

Personally I'm more scared of a bullseye then i would be a pheonix.

[A_Higher_Level]

Just wait till Psylocke Enchants her damage, Doc Ock Perplexes, and the SHIELD medic adds her 2 cents as well. Then we'll talk about broken.

Especially if you Perplex her range instead.

[quixotequest]

Awww...c'mon... Phoenix is a long way from broken. If you want to deal damage at range there are still more cost-effective ways to serve the cheese.

[cephusdog]

Exactly the point I was making. 12 range with 2 damage is better than 1 with range combat expert as it can be perplexed, enhanced, etc..

[cephusdog]

I'm not saying she is broken- but she could be a good candidate for being broken as no other figure has more than a 10 range.

[quixotequest]

Yeah, but to really maximize that 12 range you'd want to be taxiing Phoenix in. Perplex might work, but Perplex can be exploited in lots of cheesy ways. That doesn't make the figure being Perplexed "broken." Enhancement will require the Enhancer to be next to Phoenix post-taxi. And SHIELD will require adjacency as well. Since Phoenix doesn't have Running Shot she'll just have to stand still at 12 with adjacent support figs. If this is the case you can still taxi many other rangers to wipe the scare of Phoenix off the board.

[scowlingone]

Originally posted by cephusdog
I'm not saying she is broken- but she could be a good candidate for being broken as no other figure has more than a 10 range.

The models with the highest scores in the game aren't broken. Are U Wasp or V Invisible Girl broken? Are Nightmare or Thanos broken? Is Hulk broken? Is U Flash broken?

[cephusdog]

In all honesty I don't think there is a broken Heroclix figure. I also doubt Phoenix will be considered broken, as some say firelord is. I think me may be underestimating the impact a Flyer with range of 12 is going to have. No other figure or Super Power has a range of 12. Will this change the game dramatically? Probably not. This is just new territory.

[phonixinmi]

If you start on the 2nd row of your starting area, a fig with TK can send her to the 12th row on a map and she can solely make an attack on ANYTHING in the opponent's starting area on turn 1 (presuming she has LOF).

As if allowing adjacenct starting areas in a 2-player game weren't bad enough...if you add a cheap taxi and a barrier piece to protect her after she shoots, you're looking at exponentially increasing the aggression factor you have to take into account when having to deal with the early game!

Unless she has a really low AV (9 or less), imo she's going to be to Xplosion what Nightcrawler is for Clobberin' Time...the chase unique of the set.

[Scavenger4]

assuming you play 400 pts:

ok so you TK (action 1) fire with phoenix (action 2 and you better hope you hit for her 2 clicks worth) taxi a barrier character out to barrier her (action 3) make the barrier (action 4)

next turn

they taxi someone to blast/smarsh one of your 2 targets (the taxi or the barrier maker) (action 1) that "someone" attacks (action 2) rinse repeat (action 3 and 4) (or they move 2 more people into position)

so far you've hurt 1 character at most for 2 clicks and they have just either KOed one of yours and hurt 1 or possibly 2 depending on their force either way it puts them into the "click lead"

phoenix broken? most definately not. phoenix interesting? most definately yes and i'm sure shes a good character we'll just have to wait and see what we can think up and how we can use her

if your playing 300pts with a free move taxi or crossing your fingers for leadership roll, good luck having anyone over 70pts in a 200-300 point game is like putting a banner on their head saying "hit me"

[Spiritual_Ex]

With the right combination of forces I can get She-Hulk or Sabretooth into your deployment zone on turn one and have them smack you. I'd say that's alot scarier than the prospect of having Jean shoot you for 2 damage.

[Joe Kerr]

You also forget that her attack is only a few points higher than Jean Grey's and how big of a threat is that?