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George Smiley
04/08/2010, 16:30
I know that Lamppost Batman (AA#99) gets stealth when he is on the rim of elevated terrain.
Are both of these statements true:
1) Lamppost Batman does not receive stealth on nonelevated, hindering terrain.
2) Lamppost Batman does not receive stealth on elevated, nonhindering terrain that is not adjacent to a rim.
Thanks
If there are any other weird cases or information about this figure you want to give me that would be great. It seems like every time I go to play I face him.
PsychoHippie
04/08/2010, 16:50
Statement one is not true. Batman possesses Batman Ally, allowing him the use of Stealth. When he uses that Stealth, he can choose to consider rim of elevated to be blocking AS WELL AS normal hindering terrain.
Statement two would be true. IF both Batman and his attacker were on the same elevated area and there were no other hindering terrain up there, Batman would not be able to use Stealth.
BUT...if the two were on different buildings so that the attacker's line of fire would cross that rim of elevated line..then Batman would be able to use Stealth.
I know that Lamppost Batman (AA#99) gets stealth when he is on the rim of elevated terrain.
Are both of these statements true:
1) Lamppost Batman does not receive stealth on nonelevated, hindering terrain.
2) Lamppost Batman does not receive stealth on elevated terrain that is not adjacent to a rim.
Thanks
If there are any other weird cases or information about this figure you want to give me that would be great. It seems like every time I go to play I face him.
FROM AMONG THE GARGOYLES: Batman can use Charge and Leap/Climb. When Batman uses Stealth, he considers the rim of elevated terrain to be hindering terrain.
1: yes he can use stealth he can use it in hindering terrain per normal, the SP adds the stipulation that when he uses stealth the rim is considered hindering terrain.
2:he needs to be on the rim to be stealthy, no in the middle of elevated terrain.
MuskieLodge
04/08/2010, 19:45
Also, even if both Bats & opponent are on the SAME elevated, he can use Gargoyles, provided (a) he's on the rim, and (2) the figures are not adjacent. To display:
e e e e e e g g g
e e e e e B g g g
e e e O e e g g g
e e e e e e g g g
O = opposing figure
B = Batman
e = elevated (clear) terrain)
g = grounded terrain
Even though the elevated is "clear", Batman is on the rim, so he gets to be
Stealthy, thanks to the SP. Wikkid cool!
Muskie
PsychoHippie
04/08/2010, 20:20
Also, even if both Bats & opponent are on the SAME elevated, he can use Gargoyles, provided (a) he's on the rim, and (2) the figures are not adjacent. To display:
e e e e e e g g g
e e e e e B g g g
e e e O e e g g g
e e e e e e g g g
O = opposing figure
B = Batman
e = elevated (clear) terrain)
g = grounded terrain
Even though the elevated is "clear", Batman is on the rim, so he gets to be
Stealthy, thanks to the SP. Wikkid cool!
Muskie
I think not.
The "rim" is indicated by the red line surrounding the elevated terrain. If a line of fire does not cross that line, then Batman can not use Stealth.
...I think. Can I get a "hell yeah" from the Men In Orange?
I think not.
The "rim" is indicated by the red line surrounding the elevated terrain. If a line of fire does not cross that line, then Batman can not use Stealth.
...I think. Can I get a "hell yeah" from the Men In Orange?
The current wording is :
"From Among the Gargoyles: Batman can use Charge and Leap/Climb. When Batman uses Stealth, he considers the rim of elevated terrain to be hindering terrain when he occupies the rim square and a line of fire is being drawn to him."
MuskieLodge is correct.
Batman is on the rim square, and a line of fire is being drawn to him. So the rim of elevated terrain is considered to be hindering terrain. So the line of fire is blocked, since Bats is using Stealth.
incredible
04/08/2010, 20:46
Because the square is the rim not the just the edge.
You can't actually occupy the line.
PsychoHippie
04/08/2010, 21:02
Well, damn.
I am filled with shame.
so why would Bats not be able to use 'stealthy gargoyles' if an opposer is adjacent? the SP doesnt even mention adjaceny of opposers, it just says
"FROM AMONG THE GARGOYLES: Batman can use Charge and Leap/Climb. When Batman uses Stealth, he considers the rim of elevated terrain to be hindering terrain."
so to me this means as long as Bats is on the rim(reminds me of an ex girl-friend) he can use stealth. period. so how does enemy adjacency even affect it?
just asking as im unclear.
so why would Bats not be able to use 'stealthy gargoyles' if an opposer is adjacent? the SP doesnt even mention adjaceny of opposers, it just says
"FROM AMONG THE GARGOYLES: Batman can use Charge and Leap/Climb. When Batman uses Stealth, he considers the rim of elevated terrain to be hindering terrain."
so to me this means as long as Bats is on the rim(reminds me of an ex girl-friend) he can use stealth. period. so how does enemy adjacency even affect it?
just asking as im unclear.
You're correct. Opposing characters' adjacency has nothing to do with it.
George Smiley
04/08/2010, 21:33
LP Batman is quite a pest, so to KO or neutralize him what are some other methods besides:
1) Feats like Trick shot, Elite Sniper, Shake-off and Maneuver (Maneuver Bats off rim & off hindering)
2) Figures with special anti-stealth powers (Ahab, Dr. Strange, HoT Cap)
3) Figures with Charge, HSS, Quake, Flurry
4) Close combat attacks
5) TAs (Superman, Ultimates, WIlcards to those TAs)
6) TK figure adjacent for close combat attack
7) maybe Giants? (b/c they are adj. from 2 sq and do consistent high damage)
8) ?
Surfer13
04/08/2010, 22:43
In summary:
1) Adjacency has nothing to do with it.
2) An elevated square with at least 1 red line bordering it is a rim square.
3) The rim offers no protection unless Batman is actually occupying a rim square. Firing at him through a rim square is perfectly fine if he isn't otherwise occupying hindering terrain.
George Smiley
04/09/2010, 08:09
Thanks for the quick replys and useful information.
VictorySaber
04/09/2010, 10:30
well... 8 could just be you keep away from him and pick off all the other characters around... keep outta his OW range, demolish the rest of the team, and make him go on the offensive. now... if he's packing the other goodies that you usually see on that piece, like lunge, protected, maybe vault and swingline (to negate the terrain issues when charging), then he may get a bit more troublesome.
WolvieFan9
04/09/2010, 10:40
Don't forget:
9) Play a theme team, win map choice, and choose a map with no elevated terrain and little hindering terrain.
George Smiley
04/09/2010, 11:43
What are the best maps that have reduced hindering terrain and little or no elevated terrain?
Mr. Pilkington
04/09/2010, 11:48
The CoG Skyscraper map is good. You can't be on ground level so nothing is actually elevated terrain (no red lines) and very little hindering terrain.
spike1138
04/09/2010, 12:01
The Anti-Monitor map is another good one. There's, like, a four-square strip or so of hindering on the entire map. (There's also all that blocking terrain, but that's another issue...)
What are the best maps that have reduced hindering terrain and little or no elevated terrain?
Use the back of the Junkyard map. :p
Quebbster
04/09/2010, 12:14
The Arkham Asylum map has no elevated terrain and not a whole lot of hindering as well.
normalview
04/09/2010, 12:45
The Hellboy swamp is great. Almost entirely water, but no elevated terrain and very little hindering terrain.
The Heroclix/Horroclix Carnival map has no elevated terrain and very little hindering (in fact, I think there might actually be no hindering terrain at all... I can't remember).
WildTurkey
04/09/2010, 13:02
i love how both rules deputies and the Lord of the Rules(As I like to call him) chimed in about maps but didn't answer the OP's ?.
I know it was answered buy us realmsers but you know how some ppl are aboot their rules. If it dont come from them, then it's not right....
Thanks for the info guys.
normalview
04/09/2010, 13:20
I know it was answered buy us realmsers but you know how some ppl are aboot their rules. If it dont come from them, then it's not right....
Too bad for them.
Seriously.
If an answer is correct, I am not going to repeat that answer. Just because a person doesn't have an orange tinge to their name doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about. After all, we didn't always have the orange. And if that bothers some people, they'll just have to learn to get over it :shrug:
RedDragon
04/09/2010, 13:28
Too bad for them.
Seriously.
If an answer is correct, I am not going to repeat that answer. Just because a person doesn't have an orange tinge to their name doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about. After all, we didn't always have the orange. And if that bothers some people, they'll just have to learn to get over it :shrug:
well said.
The Arkham Asylum map has no elevated terrain and not a whole lot of hindering as well.
Everyone keep in mind, the more walls (AA) or blocking (Anti monitor) on a map, more the hindering batman can create for himself with destruction.
Too bad for them.
Seriously.
If an answer is correct, I am not going to repeat that answer. Just because a person doesn't have an orange tinge to their name doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about. After all, we didn't always have the orange. And if that bothers some people, they'll just have to learn to get over it :shrug:
That's true, but you can say the same thing about the other party arguing the rule the other way. At the end of the day, people are going to look to the orange to decide which of the 2 is right.
In summary:
3) The rim offers no protection unless Batman is actually occupying a rim square. Firing at him through a rim square is perfectly fine if he isn't otherwise occupying hindering terrain.
Someone else said otherwise and I'm with them. It doesn't say anything like that in the power.
FROM AMONG THE GARGOYLES: Batman can use Charge and Leap/Climb. When Batman uses Stealth, he considers the rim of elevated terrain to be hindering terrain.
It just says he considers the rim to be hindering. Doesn't say anything about him having to BE IN IT.
In summary:
2) An elevated square with at least 1 red line bordering it is a rim square.
The question I still have is regarding this, but it's more of a map question.
Do the inset roof edge squares on the HoT map count as rim? I've said yes, but hey, I'm the one with the LP Batman.
I'm talking about, for instance, F8.
Someone else said otherwise and I'm with them. It doesn't say anything like that in the power.
FROM AMONG THE GARGOYLES: Batman can use Charge and Leap/Climb. When Batman uses Stealth, he considers the rim of elevated terrain to be hindering terrain.
It just says he considers the rim to be hindering. Doesn't say anything about him having to BE IN IT.
This is where the PG comes in...
#099 Batman
From Among the Gargoyles ends with 'when he occupies the rim square and a line of fire is being drawn to him.'"
The question I still have is regarding this, but it's more of a map question.
Do the inset roof edge squares on the HoT map count as rim? I've said yes, but hey, I'm the one with the LP Batman.
I'm talking about, for instance, F8.
Yes.
normalview
04/09/2010, 15:16
That's true, but you can say the same thing about the other party arguing the rule the other way. At the end of the day, people are going to look to the orange to decide which of the 2 is right.
With 3 deputies and a RA, it is a fair bet that if we haven't jumped in and said otherwise, the issue has been sufficiently addressed.
If it is right, it is right. Doesn't matter who says it.
WildTurkey
04/10/2010, 00:49
Too bad for them.
Seriously.
If an answer is correct, I am not going to repeat that answer. Just because a person doesn't have an orange tinge to their name doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about. After all, we didn't always have the orange. And if that bothers some people, they'll just have to learn to get over it :shrug:
I know, Was just Being a smart alec.. I totally hear ya...
Didn't mean to start a tangent.....
I'm not the droid your looking for...
As you were...
With 3 deputies and a RA, it is a fair bet that if we haven't jumped in and said otherwise, the issue has been sufficiently addressed.
If it is right, it is right. Doesn't matter who says it.
So in theory what you saying is, if two lawyers have opposing arguments and both can make a case either way, it wouldnt take a judge(i.e orange badge) to chaim in and verify one way or another? Wow, that's a new way to deal with the law.
normalview
04/11/2010, 19:07
So in theory what you saying is, if two lawyers have opposing arguments and both can make a case either way, it wouldnt take a judge(i.e orange badge) to chaim in and verify one way or another? Wow, that's a new way to deal with the law.
Yeah. That's exactly what I said. :tired:
If there is confusion in the matter, we will be more than happy to step in. But there is no reason (repeat: NO REASON) to jump in an repeat what someone else has already posted correctly.
And when was this a court of law, anyway?!?! :confused:
Don't be an sillier than you have to be, please.
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