Who is to Blame for the quality of BatB?

[refrusdraob]

Who is to Blame for the quality of Brave and the Bold?

I don't know certain facts but its my understanding that B&B was not a finished set by Topps... with that being said, who is to blame for the quality? In my opinion NECA finished this set and ok'd it for final production, not Topps... I can't imagine Topps releasing the Brave and the Bold as is... especially after the fan reaction of Hammer of Thor (which from everyone i talked to was a good opinion, some ppl didn't like all the Deitys but its Thor's set they kinda go with it lol)


1-Topps is to blame!

2-Neca finished it and is releasing it, they are completely to blame!

3-I Blame both TOPPS and NECA

4-OTHER



please leave comments and discuss I want honest opinions. NO BASHING other ppls opinion, debating them is ok but bashing opinions is deff not cool

Thank you everyone for posted comments in the poll....

[Pepsirox08]

America's economy is to blame... looks like this set ran out of money...

[NucGhost]

Other. The set's not even out yet. When spring break over so these children can go back to their classes instead of ##### about things on the internet?

[refrusdraob]

America's economy is to blame... looks like this set ran out of money...

I agree that money might've been an issue with this set.... but I just see a set that I could've waited another year for to get.. especially if it could've been finished properly

[refrusdraob]

Other. The set's not even out yet. When spring break over so these children can go back to their classes instead of ##### about things on the internet?

and by children are you refering to yourself being on the internet complaining about polls that you don't care about, but feel the need that you have to post a negative comment, being in the discussion is not for bashing someones opinions, and negative comments are definitely not cool

[Surfer13]

Who says anyone is "to blame"?

Topps designed the set as a 55 figure set, and they cut the number of characters and planned to reuse sculpts so as to offset all the double-sculpting that the duos brought.
Yeah, it was a cost-cutting maneuver, but I don't really blame anyone for cutting costs, either.

I would have rather seen a larger set if they are going to reuse sculpts, but they had what they had from the old Wizkids. The old Wizkids was doing what it had to to please their bosses at Topps.
I can live with the set size as it is.

Sculpts? Some of them look pretty good. Some not so much. This is different from most every other set how, exactly?
The only sculpt that I really have issues with is Ra's Al Ghul, and that has nothing to do with paint or detail, it has to do with him being a torso.

Dials? Same as sculpts. Some are good, some maybe not so much. But it is that way with every set.

If you are someone that hates duos, then fine, I guess you can lay blame on someone for that, but duos aren't likely to be going away, and I am sure that you will be able to find someone that will trade some of their CURs, or maybe older SRs, for any SRs that you pull here that you don't want.

In summary, I don't "blame" anyone for anything, except maybe the sculptor that didn't think that Ra's needed legs. :cool:

[refrusdraob]

your mother

please explain, i understand that my mother is to blame for a lot of things but i definitely don't see any corrulation between her and BatB

[jra_fritid]

Who is to blame for what and why? The set isn't even out yet. DC sets somehow gets more negative fan reaction. Like the HoT set was centered around Asgardians gods this set is centered around Duo characters. The Brave and the Bold is about team-ups and Duo characters is about team-up. I also like the generics, the return of REV and I want to try Alter Ego. Looking at Algrim's and Anonymouse' lists I look forward to the set.

[afinley2429]

please explain, i understand that my mother is to blame for a lot of things but i definitely don't see any corrulation between her and BatB

not yours exactly but some where somebody on this site has one of those soccer moms that complain about everything for instance doctor manhattan's ##### was exposed in most of the comic

[refrusdraob]

Who says anyone is "to blame"?

in opinion i blame Neca

Topps designed the set as a 55 figure set, and they cut the number of characters and planned to reuse sculpts so as to offset all the double-sculpting that the duos brought.
Yeah, it was a cost-cutting maneuver, but I don't really blame anyone for cutting costs, either.

i understand it may have been a cost cutting maneuver, and i honestly dont think Topps would've released this set with reused sculpts, but an official statement would be nice as to why this decision was taken.... (Justin worked with Topps maybe he knows)

I would have rather seen a larger set if they are going to reuse sculpts, but they had what they had from the old Wizkids. The old Wizkids was doing what it had to to please their bosses at Topps.
I can live with the set size as it is.

I would love a bigger set size.... but i just feel disappointed that (in my imagination) i'll be pulling another generic from every booster pack i open, i dont want generics... i dont feel they trully have a place in a game centered on Iconic superheros, a few would be fine and if your gonna do a couple Parademons or whatever then thats cool but three different generics at 3 different levels is a bit overkill for a small set (and yes i realise that the top generics are specific characters but they could've done a different sculpt for atleast those)

Sculpts? Some of them look pretty good. Some not so much. This is different from most every other set how, exactly?
The only sculpt that I really have issues with is Ra's Al Ghul, and that has nothing to do with paint or detail, it has to do with him being a torso.

Dials? Same as sculpts. Some are good, some maybe not so much. But it is that way with every set.

If you are someone that hates duos, then fine, I guess you can lay blame on someone for that, but duos aren't likely to be going away, and I am sure that you will be able to find someone that will trade some of their CURs, or maybe older SRs, for any SRs that you pull here that you don't want.

In summary, I don't "blame" anyone for anything, except maybe the sculptor that didn't think that Ra's needed legs. :cool:

Ra's is pretty disappointing lol and as i saw in other thread someone jokingly said "his legs are the other chase"

duos i LOVE duos, generics is my main problem lol

[refrusdraob]

Who is to blame for what and why? The set isn't even out yet. DC sets somehow gets more negative fan reaction. Like the HoT set was centered around Asgardians gods this set is centered around Duo characters. The Brave and the Bold is about team-ups and Duo characters is about team-up. I also like the generics, the return of REV and I want to try Alter Ego. Looking at Algrim's and Anonymouse' lists I look forward to the set.

lol I love the duos, I just really don't like generics and 12+ in a smaller set is a bit disappointing overkill

[refrusdraob]

not yours exactly but some where somebody on this site has one of those soccer moms that complain about everything for instance doctor manhattan's ##### was exposed in most of the comic

HEY, in defense for all those Soccer Moms out there, SOCCER MOMs are hott... lol

and DR M's reproductive organ is random... I'm just glad they covered it for the Colossal figure lol

[vicious x]

TOPPS, they started the set, got the approval from DC and had the sculpts ready to go,.... NECA would be throwing away money if they scraped everything.

if you want to see what NECA brings, Web is all theirs,... if you can not wait. Blackest Night starter, Watchmen collector set, if that is still too long of a wait. check out the chase figures,... they were digitally created, the special powers is all NECA approved.

I said approved since NECA hired everyone from TOPPS controlled Wizkids. :laugh:

[Zatara55]

Well right off the bat I think there was a poor selection of characters choosen to be made into clix with this set. I usually look forward to the DC sets moreso than Marvel, but there really is only one or two figures so far I'm interested in. I don't think I'll buy many boosters. But other people really seem excited, so to each their own.

[refrusdraob]

TOPPS, they started the set, got the approval from DC and had the sculpts ready to go,.... NECA would be throwing away money if they scraped everything.

if you want to see what NECA brings, Web is all theirs,... if you can not wait. Blackest Night starter, Watchmen collector set, if that is still too long of a wait. check out the chase figures,... they were digitally created, the special powers is all NECA approved.

I said approved since NECA hired everyone from TOPPS controlled Wizkids. :laugh:

lol i hope WotSm is awesome i just hope that some incarnation of Frank Castle is in the set (crossing fingers in hopes for him to have sharpshooter)

[refrusdraob]

Well right off the bat I think there was a poor selection of characters choosen to be made into clix with this set. I usually look forward to the DC sets moreso than Marvel, but there really is only one or two figures so far I'm interested in. I don't think I'll buy many boosters. But other people really seem excited, so to each their own.

me to (refering to excite factor for DC over Marvel) but random since i have bought more Marvel Clix then DC lol i dont knw why

[malakim2099]

Obviously it was Tuttle. :cheeky:

(And afinley, edit your post or else I'll report it. Political snark, regardless of alignment, is meant for the political forum, not here.)

[refrusdraob]

Obviously it was Tuttle. :cheeky:

(And afinley, edit your post or else I'll report it. Political snark, regardless of alignment, is meant for the political forum, not here.)

You sir have confused me.... and I have no clue who Tuttle is lol heard of him, heard complaints about him lol but now you made me wish i would've made that the only answer lol

special character trait

Who's to Blame.... Tuttle!
Whenever an opposing character doesnt like what Tuttle does, roll a d6, on any result 1-6 or even if it rolls off the table remove Tuttle from the game, if Tuttle is not removed from the Game you have the right to completely destroy it by whichever means possible!!!

[lost clicker]

I'm really not fond of the REV thing again, way too much space to take up and time to find. I too would like to see the secret identity thing. But as far as blame, I would have to say TOPPS. The designed another sub-par set and push it out as soon as they can before they decided to sell off the game. Basically trying to make a fast buck by giving it to the fans.

Thankfully, this is the last set that was infulenced byt TOPPS. Let's see how NECA pulls this game out of the ashes.

[ccs]

Oh, I think there's enough blame to spread around between Topps, Necca, AND us.

Topps began cutting corners (& well before this set btw).

Necca decided to finish(?)/release this set.
They could've opted nopted not to release something of such obvious low quality.
Instead? We get alot of PR spin.
But guess what? #### is still ####.

And we?
We must accept some of the blame as well. Afterall, WE keep accepting lower & lower quality. Wich sends the undeniable message that c.rap is acceptable. Because in the end? The only thing that truely speaks is $.
And to top it off? Some of you keep on making excuses in WK defense. Astounding.
I don't care how much you love this game, this has to stop.
If this should mean this game dies? Again? Then R.I.P.

[W.I.T]

A little of both. TOPPS for starting this abomination, NECA for allowing it to be *birthed*.

That being said, I am cautiously optimistic about what NECA is bringing to the table. The starter looks great, and Spider Man is my 2nd favorite character after the Hulk. Add to that the Watchmen set, and I can't wait. BaTB, meeehhhh.

[profzoom]

I dont know if anyone has asked this before but why if clark kent is wearing a suit and glasses is he no longer considered impervious or have hypersonic speed etc?. He is still superman and if you shoot him the bullet will bounce off. This is why alter egos are stupid.

[afinley2429]

:d-indomitable::a-sharpshooter:

[malakim2099]

go a head i can just create another account then another and another and another and another its free speech the mods did not catch it its not my problem that i speak the truth

It's violating the user agreement for this site. If you said a snarky comment about the other team, I'd have said the same thing. If you don't like the user agreement and don't want to abide by it... well, hey, whatever floats your boat, dude.

Don't worry about responding to this post, though. Since you clearly have your own Monster Manual entry (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/troll.htm) and all, I'll put you on a status you clearly deserve. ;)

[afinley2429]

[:d-indomitable::a-sharpshooter::m-boot-trans::m-wing::a-duo::d-normal::m-dolphin-trans::angry:

[Surfer13]

I don't care how much you love this game, this has to stop.
If this should mean this game dies? Again? Then R.I.P.

So you would rather have nothing than whatever standard of quality you consider BatB to be?
Well, I happen to know a way for you to get your wish... Don't buy any. Problem solved.
I mean, I don't care for Magic, so I don't buy it. The quality, or lack thereof, of any card set, is not a concern of mine that way. :cool:

[MacGyver2506]

To be honest, we don't know how much of the set was done before NECA inherited it, so it could have been most, and it could have been very little...

If most of it was done before NECA got it, then NECA couldn't have done much about the sculpts, but they COULD have said, "These dials suck!" and redone the dials...

If very little was complete before NECA got it, then I might stop collecting new sets (if this is an indication of things to come).

The thing I DO know is this:
The people making announcements are talking as if everything they did to this set was because they thought it would make it better and they did it "just because" instead of the REAL reason, which was to cut costs.

I can take a:
"Fans, we have to do this this time because we were going broke",
but I can't take a:
"co-workers, hide our rushed set's flaws under the rug by telling them this is a good thing when they know it's not."

Just be honest...that's what I want the most.

[Danzig01]

Other. The set's not even out yet. When spring break over so these children can go back to their classes instead of ##### about things on the internet?

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::l augh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Batarang96]

I'm blaming every bit of it on NECA. This game has changed radically since the release of Hammer of Thor, and all of the changes have to do with cutting their costs. This is the cheapest and poorest quality set since Icons. Collectors will stray away from the terrible sculpts and dups it has to offer. For players....mmmm...yeah..I guess Damian Wayne's decent. That's about it. Whatadisappointment.

NECA's signature: "And remember, we inherited this mess."

[zero_cochrane]

Obviously it was Tuttle. :cheeky:

No. Frankly, I expect someone to say, "B&TB was all Tuttle's fault" any day now... :)A reference to Mark Tuttle is the Godwin's Law of HCRealms threads. Call it Zero's Law. :cheeky: ;)
Zero's Law strikes again. :p


[:d-indomitable::a-sharpshooter::m-boot-trans::m-wing::a-duo::d-normal::m-dolphin-trans::angry:What the heck is wrong with you?

[tyroclix]

I "blame" TOPPS & NECA but the "blame" goes 75% TOPPS and 25% NECA.

I believe this to be true:
-TOPPS WK designed a huge percentage of the set (amount unknown. I believe it was < 100% but was probably > 80%)

-The sculpts were commissioned and at least begun under TOPPS.

-NECA hired the TOPPS guys.

-TOPPS guys already "okayed" Brave and the Bold.

-NECA has little experience running games and probably was lenient with what TOPPS guys said was good.

So you mix NECA's inexperience with TOPPS acceptance of mediocrity and you get Brave and the Bold.

That being said I am looking forward to the set (even with its copious warts) but there are a lot of unhappy people who dampen the enthusiasm of others.

And I think NECA/WK really better do a great job on Web of Spider-Man and may need to show a lot of previews (non-DUO!!!) to 'win back' the following.

[songwriterz]

Well, I hope BatB provides the cheese to go with your whine!

Sheesh! Hater poll if ever there was one.

[ganelon]

I blame the parents. Or possibly the boogie.

[ThwartHog]

Answer is 4: DC is to blame.

Because DC sucks :)

[Crow]

Other, because this poll gave me no way to say that I like the set and don't want to "blame" anyone.

[VictorySaber]

...gotta blame both at least in part. TOPPS may have started this snowball rolling, but some of the stuff we've seen just... I think NECA could have tweaked and fiddled more with for figures that were far more practical and viable for what point cost was stamped on the dial.

Yes I realize we're not here to get the most efficient pieces for the points, but it'd be nice to dream, wouldn't it.

[IronFan72]

Honestly, the blame lies with Neca as they are the ones in control and approved the set for release. I have been collecting these since Infinity Challenge and honestly this set is the worst of the lot, DC or Marvel, very few interesting characters, to many generics, a poor follow up to HoT.
I see maybe one clix I am interested in and that's it and I have always found multiple figures to collect, but not this time, overall this is a pass for me, I will wait till Blackest Night starter set and save some money.

[spideyguy51]

I hate all of the reused sculpts. I hope they don't do that in Web of Spider-Man

[Ironman1994]

Brave and the Bold is just another way that the man can put us down. It's a conspiracy!

But in all seriousness, am I allowed to blame Canada?

[lovesponge]

Some of the scuplts look nice and some look cheaply made. As for overall quality, I will reserve judgement for after the complete set is released.

What I personally do not like is reducing the set number by five and then having a Clark Kent piece AND a Superman piece. This occurs four times with the alter egos idea. And then to have three Parademons? The R/E/V concept has it's merits, but that was when there were over 100 pieces in the set. 4 civilian pieces that match up with their hero counterparts (which are not new pieces to Heroclix) makes 8. 2 Checkmate pieces painted differently makes 4 more. 3 Parademons that are exactly the same sculpt. Not to mention duos that also have the individual dials as well. That's 15 pieces (and possibly more) out of 55 and in MY opinion is a waste of space in a set. Release the alter egos as a collector's set and maybe do the same with duos. Personally, if you are going to go back to the R/E/V concept, even in a limited fashion, expand the set number accordingly.

Also, I know I am asking a lot, but if you do use the R/E/Vs, could you please change the sculpt? Spiderman R could be posed shooting his web. Spiderman E could be crawling on the dial or on a wall. Spiderman V could be swinging. This would make both fans AND collectors happy.

[songwriterz]

Answer is 4: DC is to blame.

Because DC sucks :)

Hmmmm.....DC hating aside, this is actually a good point. Someone in the licensing offices of DC had to sign off on this set.

Still and all, blaming this set on anybody before it is released is like calling a baby ugly before its even born.

Sure, BatB seems to have ugly as sin parents who were bred, born and raised next to a toxic waste dump in Nastyville, but the baby hasn't even been birthed yet.

[PeopleofEarth...]

I'll take the blame. I really thought this set would be a good idea, and I still do.

I had to fall back on the peanut bases for some, because I felt an obligation to deliver some dynamic sculpts (Hal and Barry anyone?), and my kid really wanted a doggie in the set, so I admit it's not perfect. But I think the playability factor will be on par with what you've all come to expect, and the AE and Battlefield promotion mechanics are going to be a lot of fun. I should know, I designed them.

So you can all lay blame at my feet from here on out, and we can close the door on this. Frankly, I wanted to come forward a long time ago, but I just couldn't find an opportunity to do so. FINALLY someone had the guts to speak their mind about this set that hasn't been released yet.

[jedah_s]

I blame global warming, barring that... violent video games.

[SLVRSR4]

It was the Damn Loch Ness Monster! Always coming around asking for my $3.50

[Nickel97]

"Other", since I don't see it as a "blame" situation. We don't know the Quality of the set yet anyway. We haven't played with it. Is this set as awesome as Crisis or Origin? no (but neither was HoT). It looks better than Avengers though.

The previous company obviously wasn't quite done with it, and the new company probably wanted to get started on their own stuff so didn't want to invest as much in finishing it.

Do we know how much ToppsKids had completed? perhaps that's the reason for the repaint type figures.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

"OTHER"

As in, we don't have the facts, and reality is not decided by the opinions of the masses.

[Puuka]

I think it's both their responsibility for the fun product they put out. Not sure I would have used the word "Blame" as it denotes negative implications, but, I do feel it was a combined effort on both their parts.

[SLVRSR4]

"OTHER"

As in, we don't have the facts, and reality is not decided by the opinions of the masses.

Mouse, you are obviously deluding yourself. Didn't you know that the customer is always right? It doesn't matter if there is an obvious lack of backing or truth to one's oppinions or ideas. My money makes me right no matter what!

[Daky]

Mark Tuttle is to Blame.

[songwriterz]

It was the Damn Loch Ness Monster! Always coming around asking for my $3.50


Hey, you can always kill the beast (http://www.itswickedfun.net/reference/monsters/nm043.html). Or at least try, anyway.

[2Face]

I went with other. I'll wait until I actually have figs in my hand before I complain about the quality.

[songwriterz]

Mouse, you are obviously deluding yourself. Didn't you know that the customer is always right? It doesn't matter if there is an obvious lack of backing or truth to one's oppinions or ideas. My money makes me right no matter what!


Actually, having dealt and worked with the public all my professional life, I can honestly say that sometimes the customer is just an arse.

Just sayin'.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

If the question were "Who is responsible for BatB?" it'd be a very easy answer-- NECA. They're releasesing it after all. But "blame" presumes knowledge of stuff behind the scenes we do not have.

[Coglio987]

Why are people upset? The product hasn't shown up yet....the sky is falling, the sky is falling

[MattMinus]

Who is to blame for the quality of this poll?

[SLVRSR4]

Actually, having dealt and worked with the public all my professional life, I can honestly say that sometimes the customer is just an arse.

Just sayin'.


I have been Management in retail for nearly 13 years, and I agree whole heartedly

[elfholme]

I don't care who is to blame...I just want things to be better going forward. If NECAWK wants to save face by letting us blame Topps for this set that THEY released, cool. Just make things better from here on out.

[elfholme]

If the question were "Who is responsible for BatB?" it'd be a very easy answer-- NECA. They're releasesing it after all. But "blame" presumes knowledge of stuff behind the scenes we do not have.

What does it mean to take responsibility if you're not going to be taking the blame when something goes awry?

An example from my job - a couple months ago I was put in charge of a new web application at work. I didn't write the code for it (in fact I hadn't even seen any of the code before then). It's my responsibility. When a new county started to go live on this application, all their UAT (User Acceptance Testing) issues went straight to me. I've been working nonstop for the past 3 weeks to iron out all their issues. If there was a show-stopper that kept them from implementing, it would fall on me to fix it, and if I couldn't, I'd take the blame.

And even though this application was developed by a different company (which was acquired by my company), if it fails, my company will take the blame. There won't be a bunch of finger-pointing back to the old company...we've got responsibility, so we'll do whatever it takes to make things right.

This is why I don't understand all the controversy around "who is to blame" for this set. The company releasing the set is implicitly accepting responsibility for it. That's the way real-world business works. I have to assume that anyone who is still blaming Topps doesn't have experience in what happens after properties are acquired by one company from another. That the people running WK now are the same people who ran WK under Topps just makes the issue that much clearer, in my mind. You can't even hang your hat on "those guys made it, we didn't!" (as bad an argument as that is).

I just wrote all that to add some perspective though. I really don't care about who is to blame. I hope NECAWK is just chalking the things wrong with this set to "lessons learned" and the same mistakes won't be repeated in the future. Let's move forward.

Edit - I should add that at this point I'm not including things like dial design as "things wrong with this set", as we don't have the dials yet. What I'm talking about is character selection, bad sculpt concepts, costumes that don't fit the characters (Lex/Brainiac), too many mechanics that pull slots away from the primary concept of "one guy/gal on a base that is different from the others of the same set", like duos, AEs, and repaint REVs. Those are all things we have the information on (if not the reasoning behind the decisions, but I really don't care about that).

[rollinsolo]

I blamed the Gypsies, I can't believe it wasn't a choice. I always blame the Gypsies, then Bill Clinton, and in about 8 more months, I can start blaming Obama.

[Ironman1994]

It was the Damn Loch Ness Monster! Always coming around asking for my $3.50
Rep to you, sir!


Chef's Father: Ooh, it must have been about seven, eight years ago. Me and the little lady was out on this boat, you see, all alone at night, when all of the sudden this huge creature, this giant crustacean from the Paleolithic Era, comes out of the water.
Chef's Mother: We was so scared, Lord have mercy, I jumped up in the boat, and I said, "Thomas, Thomas, what on earth is that creature?"
Chef's Father: It stood above us looking down with these big red eyes...
Chef's Mother: Oh, it was so scary!
Chef's Father: ...and I yelled, I said, "What do you want from us, monster?" And the monster bent down, and said, "I need about tree-fitty."
[long pause]
Kyle: What's tree-fitty?
Chef's Father: Tree dollars, and fitty cents.
Chef's Mother: Tree-fitty.
Stan: He wanted money?
Chef's Father: That's right. I said, "I ain't givin' you no tree-fitty, you goddamn Loch Ness Monster! Get your own god**** money!"
Chef's Mother: I gave him a dollar.
Chef's Father: She gave him a dollar.
Chef's Mother: I thought he'd go away if I have him a dollar.
Chef's Father: Well, of course he's not gonna go away, Mary! You give him a dollar, he's gonna assume you got more!

[Ignatz_Mouse]

Blame implies cause. Responsibility means accepting the results and everything that goes with that.

We don't know squat about the cause. We have some good speculation based on the history we know, but it's just speculation.

Perhaps it's a semantics game, but I find blame a fairly useless concept in cases like this (and most cases, frankly). All that matters is that NECA decided to release this set as it is.

I don't think we really disagree-- I just find "blame" an immature concept.

[JustAnAverageMan]

Where are you seeing all htese figures? I can only find the previews.

[MistahJustice]

why blame anyone? the set isn't a complete waste by any means, I can actually list a fair number of the figures that I hope to get whereas with HoT I could count the number on my right hand without running out of fingers.

yeah, the set has its problems but so does every set. I'll never expect a perfect set of collectibles for any game, no matter what it is or what company releases it. it's just not possible and not everyone will be 100% happy with anything. not bashing, but someone will always find something they don't like about a set and will make themselves heard some how.

but, if you really want someone to blame, then it should be topps for designing the set the way they did. you shouldn't blame NECA for it considering they just want to get the stuff out there so their customers have something new to play with and give them time to design better sets. this was just given to them, so why the hell not just put it out, as is, and put more effort into the next few sets?

makes sense to me, how 'bout you?

[Silent Coyote]

I think regardless of who started it this is a decent set.
This set is testing out many different game mechanics that can be used to enchance later sets. Even if The Brave and the Bold is terrible, its existence will only improve upon later sets.

[jbship628]

Option 5 for me! There is nothing "wrong" with this set.

[refrusdraob]

I dont know if anyone has asked this before but why if clark kent is wearing a suit and glasses is he no longer considered impervious or have hypersonic speed etc?. He is still superman and if you shoot him the bullet will bounce off. This is why alter egos are stupid.

kryptonite money clip? maybe

[Beast]

Topps and Neca both deserve equal praise and blame in this case.

Topps gets praise for trying to save the game. But blame for dropping the ball and designing a substandard set that appears to be all about saving as much money as possible while making as much money as possible at the same time.

Neca gets praise for actually managing to come in and saving the game. But blame for not putting the breaks on the B&TB set and putting some extra time into reworking the set. Expanding, improving, and playtesting the expansion. Working the kinks out.

[refrusdraob]

Other, because this poll gave me no way to say that I like the set and don't want to "blame" anyone.

then why participate in it lol oh well common sense comes packaged in the set

[refrusdraob]

Brave and the Bold is just another way that the man can put us down. It's a conspiracy!

But in all seriousness, am I allowed to blame Canada?

yes you can choose Other as your selection but you have to quote your source

[refrusdraob]

"OTHER"

As in, we don't have the facts, and reality is not decided by the opinions of the masses.

really so Civil Rights didnt happen by all the ppl protesting... or when women protested to gain the right to vote... or the holocaust, or when David Hasselhoff sung in berlin to tear down the wall

Opinions... decide reality

[Surfer13]

I dont know if anyone has asked this before but why if clark kent is wearing a suit and glasses is he no longer considered impervious or have hypersonic speed etc?. He is still superman and if you shoot him the bullet will bounce off. This is why alter egos are stupid.

Clark Kent wants to preserve his secret ID. It isn't that he is more easily hurt, it is that he is trying to act like he is hurt, up to and including acting knocked out.

[Beast]

Clark Kent wants to preserve his secret ID. It isn't that he is more easily hurt, it is that he is trying to act like he is hurt, up to and including acting knocked out.
That's kinda a shoddy excuse for a weak version of Superman.

At least they could have said this Clark Kent is supposed to be Superman when Lex Luthor had the red sun shield in place around the Earth. Or something along those lines.

[refrusdraob]

That's kinda a shoddy excuse for a weak version of Superman.

At least they could have said this Clark Kent is supposed to be Superman when Lex Luthor had the red sun shield in place around the Earth. Or something along those lines.

im still saying its a kryptonite money clip

[GrimlockX]

This set is testing out many different game mechanics that can be used to enchance later sets. Even if The Brave and the Bold is terrible, its existence will only improve upon later sets.

Yeah, hopefully that'll turn out to be the case. Despite my extreme apathy (hyuk) for BatB, I'm still really enjoying NECAWK's approach to the game and am super excited for WoS.

[CuriousLurker]

Personally for me all blame and responsibility fall on Neca.

Here’s the way I see this in my mind using an example. In this example, Neca is my buddy Matt and Wizkids is Swanson’s, maker of frozen dinners.

So my buddy Matt, wants me to invest my hard earned cash in this new business venture he’s dreamed up. But he needs capital. So Matt decides to invite me and the missus over for dinner to wine, dine, and shmooze me up so that I can invest in his business.

So me and the missus come over. We sit down, Matt shows me some lovely power point images of the things he’s got planned in the pipeline and these are some hot fresh computer-designed images. Me and missus are both thinking things are going to be great.

So then here comes dinner. It’s a nice dining room, the nice china is out and Matt wants our money. But what does Matt serve for dinner? Swanson frozen tv dinners. The meatloaf barely passes for meatloaf, the green beans look rehashed and the Swanson has the audacity to claim that apple sauce is both a side and a dinner.

Me and the missus leave, still hungry from the small portions, heartburned from what we did eat and completely unsatisfied. And the money we didn’t invest in Matt. We bought a new BBQ with it and some Monsterpocalypse figures too.

Now who’s Matt to blame here for us not investing in Matt’s company? Is it Swanson? Nope, Swanson makes crappy frozen meals. Matt shouldn’t have put his financial future in their hands and he should have sampled the product before he served it. Is it me and the missus’s fault for expecting a better meal. Nope, Matt should have done everything he could to earn my dollars.

And so should Neca.

[crazymike2501]

i blame the naysayers... sure everyone has their opinion and the internet is notorious for allowing them to bloom, but the negative reaction to something that has not even hit the shelves yet is becoming contagious. i do not know jack about the recent story lines in dc, yet i was excited about a new set. now im not so sure. this has even affected my friends decisions on ordering the set and they know less than i do. that is sad. if you dont want anything to do with this set then dont buy it. dont flood the market with chases or jack up prices on super rares. just wait for the starter or marvel to come out and shaddup...

[Beast]

i blame the naysayers... sure everyone has their opinion and the internet is notorious for allowing them to bloom, but the negative reaction to something that has not even hit the shelves yet is becoming contagious. i do not know jack about the recent story lines in dc, yet i was excited about a new set. now im not so sure. this has even affected my friends decisions on ordering the set and they know less than i do. that is sad. if you dont want anything to do with this set then dont buy it. dont flood the market with chases or jack up prices on super rares. just wait for the starter or marvel to come out and shaddup...
Boo Hoo.

Frankly if you're opinion is swayed so easily, you must have had concerns from the start. Or have an incredibly weak will. Blaming others because you're excitement for B&TB has faltered is pretty silly. You're able to make up your own mind. Don't whine and stamp your feet and tell people to "shaddup" because your excitement has been somehow been tempered by people who have problems with the upcoming set.

[mcrounds]

I chose other. This set is worse than some in the past, but better than others. As others have said, there are good things and not so good things about Brave and the Bold. I'm still thrilled that Heroclix is back and I'm looking forward to opening my brick this week.

I'm in complete agreement about Ra's, what a poor design.

[fox007]

i blame joey q. hew ruined marvel and thusly ruin heroclix

[Owlman]

Blame Canada.

[Vic Sage]

Mouse, you are obviously deluding yourself. Didn't you know that the customer is always right? It doesn't matter if there is an obvious lack of backing or truth to one's oppinions or ideas. My money makes me right no matter what!

When I work retail we said the customer is seldom right .(at least that was what we said behind there backs)

[malakim2099]

Mark Tuttle is to Blame.

Copycat. :p

[dariusq]

I blame whoever designed BatB. I have to believe they would have had some input on the character roster.

HoT was a holdover from Topps too, not to mention it was the first set in a long time not designed by Seth. Despite the Asgardian heavy theme HoT was an amazing set. There should be no reason why BatB can't replicate that.

[1164]

How about letting the set get released before you guys bury it? Whether the next HC set is good or not is so subjective, I'm not sure a poll about it before the set is released has any point other than for hyper-competitive players to whine about something...yet again...

[Ignatz_Mouse]

really so Civil Rights didnt happen by all the ppl protesting... or when women protested to gain the right to vote... or the holocaust, or when David Hasselhoff sung in berlin to tear down the wall

Opinions... decide reality

I do not understand the analogy at all...

Are we protesting? To what end?

You're talking about changing decisions-- this poll is about what has already occurred. 1 million votes saying this was Ronald Reagan's fault will not make it true.

[llyrghmnghyll]

It's my fault. I accept all the blame. Just send me all your pieces so you won't have to think about what a miserable failure this set was. I promise not to let it happen again, but seriously just send me the miserable failures that are the pieces in this set. all of them. I don't want to even think about others having to suffer with them, so all take all the love... I mean misery on myself.

[ThwartHog]

Harrumph, harrumph, harrumph...

[refrusdraob]

I do not understand the analogy at all...

Are we protesting? To what end?

You're talking about changing decisions-- this poll is about what has already occurred. 1 million votes saying this was Ronald Reagan's fault will not make it true.

lol in 1940 scientists decided to accept that Pluto was a Planet in 2007 or 06 cant remember 100 scientists voted and now Pluto is no longer considered a planet... lol im not trying to change anything i just want ppl to voice there opinion lol but none the less nothing will change

[MaxFortune]

Other. The set's not even out yet. When spring break over so these children can go back to their classes instead of ##### about things on the internet?

Never.

"The road goes on forever and the party never ends" -- Robert Earl Keen Jr.

[MaxFortune]

Harrumph, harrumph, harrumph...

You ought to wipe that off the front of your shirt.

[malakim2099]

You ought to wipe that off the front of your shirt.

I didn't get a harrumph out of you!!!

[Ironman1994]

yes you can choose Other as your selection but you have to quote your source

I did put other. My source? Youtube (As in, search on youtube for) "Blame Canada."

[JackAssterson]

I didn't get a harrumph out of you!!!

Harrumph!

..........

[Ignatz_Mouse]

lol in 1940 scientists decided to accept that Pluto was a Planet in 2007 or 06 cant remember 100 scientists voted and now Pluto is no longer considered a planet... lol im not trying to change anything i just want ppl to voice there opinion lol but none the less nothing will change

So if I convince a few thousand people that JFK is to blame for this set, it will be true?

[malakim2099]

Harrumph!


You watch your ###!

So if I convince a few thousand people that JFK is to blame for this set, it will be true?

I'll look for the chase figures behind the grassy knoll, then.

(Too soon?)

[BigSoph]

Other. The set's not even out yet. When spring break over so these children can go back to their classes instead of ##### about things on the internet?

I like how the poll just starts with the assumption that someone must be blamed

I am now hoping, sincerely, that all the jags that backed out of a case cause their local store to seriously reconsider stocking ANY Web of Spider-Man

[SLVRSR4]

When I work retail we said the customer is seldom right .(at least that was what we said behind there backs)

And now that we've boiled down to the issue here, what makes us think that we are right with what we know about the set at this point? We all know that customers are not ALWAYS right, so just sit back and enjoy the ride. Nothing you can do about it now...besides complain more on an internet forum...(Because that ALWAYS works;))

[refrusdraob]

So if I convince a few thousand people that JFK is to blame for this set, it will be true?

whatever statistics say ppl normally take as truth lol.... ppl believe in jesus its all basically the same idea

[refrusdraob]

I like how the poll just starts with the assumption that someone must be blamed

I am now hoping, sincerely, that all the jags that backed out of a case cause their local store to seriously reconsider stocking ANY Web of Spider-Man

lol that would be funny lol... i ordered a case im still not backing out but BLAME is a flashy word that got yours and a bunch of other ppls attentions so it worked

[1164]

Since the set hasn't hasn't been released yet I see everyone is speaking from complete ignorance.

[SLVRSR4]

Since the set hasn't hasn't been released yet I see everyone is speaking from complete ignorance.

No, I'm speaking from the heart, yo

[Than0seid]

4 - It was the damn reds!! And refrusdraob was working with them.

You really think the USSR is finished? Sure, finished like 'clix!! Just wait until someone buys it and they'll return stronger than ever, but with new dial mechanics!!

And zombies!!

[refrusdraob]

4 - It was the damn reds!! And refrusdraob was working with them.

You really think the USSR is finished? Sure, finished like 'clix!! Just wait until someone buys it and they'll return stronger than ever, but with new dial mechanics!!

And zombies!!

"In Soviet Russia, Road Forks You" lol