New FAQ Entry for MoE far from clear

[NateTG]

Note: I will be using the code tag for fixed spacing, if there is a better way, please let me know.


When two or more members of the Masters of Evil are adjacent to the SAME opposing figure, they can all attack that opposing figure using only one of your actions. Mark any character who attacks this way with an action token. All other rules governing attack actions apply as normal. The MoE members must be adjacent to the opposing figure at the beginning of the action, and all attacks must be resolved before moving on to the next action.


And from the PAC

Masters of Evil: When two or more members of the Masters of Evil are adjacent to an opposing character, they can all attack using only one of your actions. Mark any character who attacks this way with an action token.


When do you have to declare the intention to use the MoE ability?

Scenario 1:
I have Mr Hyde (1) and Controller(2) against some opponent (O)

1 O2

If Mr.Hyde charges in to attack the opponent can Controller attack using the same action?

Scenario 2:
I have U Enchantress(1), U Spiral(2), and V Controller(3) all beating up on my opponent's Vet Boomerang(B) and my opponent's Whirlwind(W)

W
12B
3

Now, if Spiral splits her attack between Boomerang and the Thug, can both Controller and Enchantress attack for free?
If Controller attacks first, and Spiral then splits her attack, can both Spiral and Enchantress attack for free?
If Controller successfully lands a mind control attack on Boomerang as part of the MoE attack, does Boomerang's action take place before or after the rest of the MoE attacks have been resolved?
If Boomerang uses the MoE ability to attac Whirlwind while mind controlled, can Spiral and Enchantress attack Whirlwind for free?

Now, going out on a limb regarding timing:
Let's say that Controller manages to mind control Boomerang with Spiral as an MoE partner, and that Boomerang proceeds to attack Whirlwind (before Spiral takes her swings) as an MoE attack using Spiral (who has not attacked yet) and Enchantress as partners. Now Enchantress succesfully Mind Controls Whirlwind as part of the MoE attack. Can Whirlwind attack Boomerang?

Alternatively if Mind Control actions are resoved after the MoE are done, can Spiral attack Boomerang after Controller successfully lands a mind control attack, but before the action resolves?

Can I use each swing to initiate a seperate MoE attack?

Can figures participate in more than one MoE attack per turn (assuming they're not mindcontrolled viz idiotic HC ruling)?

Oh, here's a fun one:
Enchantress(E) and Controller(C) are both adjacent to Thanos(T)

T
EC

and I make an MoE attack to have both Enchantress and Controller mind control Thanos, and assume that both of them hit.
Now, does Thanos' action occur between the mind controls, or after both of them? If the answer is after both of them, can I have Thanos move and attack (provided he has no action tokens)?
For that matter, can Controller make the second attack after Enchantress manages to mind control Thanos?

I really wish that they'd thought the timing issues through a bit better.

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[Dexceus]

Scenario 1, it is a no. The PAC says that they have to be adcacent at the beginning of the action. Since Mr. Hyde is using Charge, he is not adjacent at the begining of his action.

Scenario 2, I would say that yes, if Spiral split her attacks, they other two could attack. That one is much less clear though.

[NateTG]

Thanks for the replies.

Originally posted by Dexceus
Scenario 1, it is a no. The PAC says that they have to be adcacent at the beginning of the action. Since Mr. Hyde is using Charge, he is not adjacent at the begining of his action.

Right, the problem is that the PAC description of charge:

CHARGE. This character can move and then make a close combat attack using the same action. (Optional) When you give this character a move action, he may move up to half his speed value and then make a close combat attack as if he had been given a close combat action. This close combat attack does not cost an extra action. This character may use any of its powers that require a close combat action. This character does not suffer knockback.


Contains the phrase "as if he had been given a close combat action." So it's unclear whether the MoE ability applies to "Virtual" close combat actions in addition to real ones, considering that the same could be said for Flurry.

Originally posted by Dexceus

Scenario 2, I would say that yes, if Spiral split her attacks, they other two could attack. That one is much less clear though.

Oh, and another silly question:
Is an attempt to swing at a skrull good enough to trigger the team ability?

[Camelsmoker]

Dexcues is right. All MoE that you plan on using for the multi attack must start out adjacent to the target. If one of the attacks knocked back the target so it is no longer adjacent to any attackers then the attack would end.
In the second case, you wouldnt have a problem because you can't play Spiral and Enchantress on the same team since they are both unqiues. As for MC on Thanos, you would MC with one character first, then use Thanos. If he only had one token after that then you could use Enchantress.

[MTyree]

Agreed but, can't you have multiple uniques, just not of the same character (ie multiple Thanos)?