HCRealms.com eXclusive - The Beast

[Draddog]

Part of being a member of HCRealms means that you get to participate in a community that is at the fore front of the HeroClix community. Interviews with Jon L., exclusives, and other WizKids goodies, HCRealms is only the best site because our members make us the best site! In recognition of that, and as a treat for our users, WizKids has provided us with this exclusive Xplosion Sneak Peak - The Beast!

<TABLE BORDER="0"><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="2"><B>Name:</B> Beast <BR><B>Number:</B> 055–057<BR><B>Play Tip:</B> A highly refined balance of brains and brawn, Beast brings the savvy of Perplex to the straightforward combat style of Charge and Toughness. The Rookie version, a member of the X-Men team, has a couple of clicks of Charge and then Leap/Climb combined with Toughness. The Experienced version, a member of the Defenders, keeps the same mix, and adds Perplex, due to his increasing intellect. The Veteran Beast returns to the X-Men, with a deeper dial, and more clicks of his key abilities. At 80 points, he's pricy, but his 3 damage with Perplex, 17 defense with toughness, and 10 speed with charge make him a good brawler. He also has Support near the end of his dial to help out in a pinch. </TD><TD><IMG SRC="/images/Beast.gif"></TR></TABLE>

[Akakrz]

Wow, he sounds really good......looks alright too

[Deathlok23]

Another excellent figure! This set is shaping up very nicely. Thanks WizKids! Thanks HCRealms! And thank you for another Defender (with Perplex no less)!

[Darth Sabre]

YES! He sounds awesome! It sounds like they made every effort to make him useful, while staying true to the comics. Maybe they'll have a Unique that's an Avenger. GO HANK!

Only question I have is, will Marvel ever be graced with cheap perplexers?

[mylo1wagner]

No defenders???? :(

Oh well.

[gelf13]

Wooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm so jazzed! When does xplosion come out ???????
<pant pant>

Gelf

[Psylockeslover]

Now my top 3 wanted X-men are made! I am soooo happy......
WOOHOO.........

[mylo1wagner]

Mis read. Thought it said Avengers. Although Beast had a good run as an Avenger; we need Defenders!

[Darth Sabre]

Originally posted by mylo1wagner
No defenders???? :(

Oh well.

His E version is a Defender!

gelf> March 26th!

[Manchine]

OH boy where is Beastchylde? He will love this!!! I like it also but I want my villians!!!!!!

[paladin72]

Now that's what I'm talking about. If we only had Silver Surfer now.

[Thunderbolts]

If his E version is cheaper than V Doc Ock, then he's ok. If there's a cheaper Perplexer in the set though, he's mehh.

[golden]

OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Nice. I'm a fan.

[malchyor]

darn. he's a cool fit, definately in the same catagory as doc oc....!

but no outwit? i sure as heck was hoping that of all the xmen, the beast would have it. oh well....he sounds great anyway!!!

[Mushroomfantas]

yippee

mad awsome sculpt

edit: The pinapple is once again proven right!

[webhead817]

The fig, looks awesome. Great pose, and great colors.

I like the switch from xmen/defenders/xmen (there's already lots of Avengers) and the powers sound just right. Plus, another X-Man with support, very cool!

[Basil Elks]

Yeah!!!, It's a good version of Beast!!!

[kontrol]

Well I'm pleased as punch.

[CarlosMucha]

Why no Avenger????

I think: betther is the "spider-man team" in the Exp (Because he was Avenger and Defender)

Why? no avenger!!!!!! Snif snif

[Picard]

OH YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hank is goin' on my team
Thank YOU Wizkids
Make MINE Wizkids

[scowlingone]

Yet another point for the accuracy of the pineapple. If anyone doubts it anymore, enjoy your dreamworld.

So, yeah -- great figure. I can see myself playing with the E version a whole lot -- Defenders, Perplex, Charge, high Defense, and more? Cooool.

[paladin72]

Pineapple is definately getting ripe.

[Manchine]

What no Witchen!!! Ah come on some one has to say something negitive. It wouldnt be a HCRealms post without the idiot of the day Witchen!!!

:D

Opps spook to soon!!

[Psylockeslover]

what is there to witch about..?

[Upright]

It'd be cool if they made him hairless in the Rookie version.

Man, I must be old...

[Dexceus]

It does seem odd that there is no unreasonable posts for me to roll my eyes at and skip over. Of course, I am sure it will happen before there is more then 40 replies.

[Psylockeslover]

harless would be a unique like the original cyclops

[Upright]

Psylockelover: Good point.

[the itsy bit]

The Beast is in the House !!
nice sculpt, to bad aboot not having outwit But perplex is great too !

I like him, only why do we have to choose between all these 80 something pointcosted X-men ?!

there, are you happy now !!

[Ironman44]

Ok so I take back all the #### I spewed about sensorship and this site standning up for it's rights. Sweet fig, looks great and sounds perfect. Exclusive to the best heroclix site on the web....what more can you ask for?

Nuff Said

[Picard]

Then they could make the "snowman" iceman
BEAST RULES

[jjreason]

I would think that if the rookie beast is hairless, he should be an x man. As far as furry beast goes, I think the rookie would be an Avenger, E a Defender and V an X-Man. Another figure (like Iron Man) that would be worthy of different figs at the diff. levels of experience. Maybe maybe maybe........maybe not.

[Picard]

All of the "Hidden Years" or original costumes should be uniques
BEAST STILL RULES

[Beastchylde]

I am freaking out. That is the coolest figure I have yet to see. I wish he had Outwit but I am still extremely pleased. WOW. I'm betting the LE will be Avengers and have Outwit. Thank you Wizkids and thank you Jon. Thank you.


Now I'm gonna have to change my signature.
WOOOOOOHOOOOOO!!!!!!

[Picard]

Beastchylde, I guess you gotta change your signiture now.

[spanishyoda]

maybe there'll be an LE beast with the avengers team ability. Anywho beast looks sweet a$$ sweet! The X-men are getting viable enough to contend with the Avengers now. Heck maybe even the JLA.

[Psylockeslover]

i knew he'd be happy........

[Picard]

Sorry, I was writing while you posted

[Doomtoy]

Hey, that's nice.

I was afraid they'd go with the current "look" of the character... which I frankly do not like.

Instead, they went with the old seventies/eighties look, the look I grew up with. I like it.

And now, I can mod his rookie version into his human shape, and his vet version into that horrible panther-faced thing he mutated into...

[Noman]

Yup, I agree with Doomtoy. They did the right sculpt...hooray !

...and no, it doesn't make up for Psylocke...


Sounds like a realy good set of powers - and given the Defenders ability, anyone want to take him on when he's standing next to the Defender Hulk ?!?

All the Best

Noman

Perplex, Toughness, Support, and Charge with a base 3 damage ?
For 80pts ?. Every Team - definitly.

[Jason Blood]

due to numbering it looks as if he will be a 2, 3, 4

so he will most likely have an LE that either will be spider-man or avengers

[Picard]

Doomtoy
Blue area of Texas Huh
What is that? Austin
I myself come from Old SA

[Manchine]

Wonders when Beastchylde will show up? Hehe. Yes I know he is here. He's going to have to change his Signature Line now.

[Beastchylde]

Looks like my Beast chant worked.
Now that the "Pineapple" is secure in my mind, I have to order 2 cases.

I am so glad that Jon is the lead designer now. He really seems like he knows what he's doing.

I LOVE THIS GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Psylockeslover]

still havent changed your signature yet..........oop....there it is....

[Psylockeslover]

Now that my top favorites will be complete with this set, i don't have to buy any more.(after this set of course)






YEAH RIGHT!!!!!
GO WIZKIDS!!!

[Danos]

Oh man, every couple of days, it keeps getting worse and worse! How can Wizkids expect me to concentrate at work when they keep releasing such awsome figures. Please Wizkids, just move up the release date, so my life will get back to normal. However, my non-clix friends don't think it's normal, but forget them.

[Beastchylde]

Originally posted by Manchine
Wonders when Beastchylde will show up? Hehe. Yes I know he is here. He's going to have to change his Signature Line now.

Thanx for thinking of me. I'm touched. :D
Looks like we were both right on some things. No Superstrength but he does have a 3 damage and Toughness. Very cool.

[Wimbley]

well he hasnt actualy gotin it yet so realy he shouldnt B^)

aww krap i was to late in posting so never mind B^P B^)

why for they senser krap spelled with a c ??? thats not bad is it??

[LuckyJ]

This is totally my kind of figure! Rock on!

Support and Perplex! Charge and high movement! High damage and good attack! Yay!

Three cheers for Wizkids! Three more cheers for the Xmen!

[Beastchylde]

Did the forum get rid of the smilies? (smileys? How the heck do you spell that?)

Beast rules BTW. Had to throw that in.

[Manchine]

Nope just Draggod, sorry I know I spelled your name wrong, Smilies are off in this Thread.

Edit

Opps its Draddog. Dont ban me. :D :D :D :p

[Mushroomfantas]

They dont work on any announcements

[jwc]

I wonder if the are going to create an "old school" non fuzzy Beast (Unique) like Cyclops. Now that should have been X-Men team, and the fuzzy Beast should have been Avenger/Defender/X-Men.

Oh well.

He does look cool though.

[Gambit266]

Great sculpt, its going to be hard to build a cheap X-men team if I want to fit all my fave characters. I hope that they do end up making a Unique Beast when he doesn't have the fur and eventually when they make the other 3 original X-men lets hope Jon uses the same principle as the FF and lets them add up to 200 points.

[Beastchylde]

Originally posted by Gambit266
Great sculpt, its going to be hard to build a cheap X-men team if Iwant to fit all my fave characters. I hope that they do end up making a Unique Beast when he doesn't have the fur and eventually make the other 3 original X-men lets hope Jon uses the same principle as the FF and lets them add up to 200 points.

I'm hoping for something like that too.

[LurkMaster2000]

noooooooo!!!

not an LE 5 beast????!!!!!

oh, the horror. my wallet is shaking.....

i hate wizkids....



:p

[CrimsonX77]

The fig is well-sculpted. However...I may be alone in this kind of thinking...

*Rant On*

...but why does Beast move as far and as fast as Rogue?

...why does he do as much damage as Veteran Superman?

...why does he get more Perplex than The Joker?

...why is he as tough as The Incredible Hulk?

...and why does he get healing on top of all that?


I'm aware of the inconsistencies of the stats for the sake of balance and some possible balance mistakes made in the beginning of HC's creation (ie. Firelord). I also read the X-Books religiously for several years so I feel like I'm semi-qualified to make a rant here...because honestly this fig does not deserve all this simply because he's an X-Man and the franchise needs to be pushed.

Some of us are already going to have to wait half a year at least for another DC set to appear. But fortunately we'll have three dozen Elektra versions on-hand to keep us occupied (she is NOT popular enough to warrant a version in every set--she's a Xena excuse for the Daredevil comic, just like Catwoman for Batman).

So let's not break the game before eight months have passed, Wiz-Kids. Seriously. I know you want to pander to the Marvelites but this is ridiculous. Beast? He's a smart scientist and all that with an enhanced body, but he doesn't deserve all those abilities and high stats. What's going to be left for the really powerful figures--like Mr. Sinister, who have all of Beast's intelligence and then some, not to mention a myriad of other potent abilities--when frickin' BEAST is a combat truck for a mere 80 points. By the time characters like Stryfe get made, the point conversion rates will be so high that they won't even be playable on 300 point teams. Either that or each progressive set will get more and more powerful until it gets to be like Magic: The Gathering and becomes completely unplayable if one doesn't use the newest bad@$$ releases.

And while I'm in this vein...we don't need 50 version of Iron Man in his various armors. He's a very exciting character and all that but there are enough other interesting heroes and villains out there who can be done in truly different forms rather than spending the time to crank out an Underwater Armor IM followed by one who is skilled in handling swamp-based combat.

*Rant Off*

If you made it this far, forgive me. No offense intended for fanboys who want to see Hulkbuster armor or get all 60 people who ever were part of the X-Men even for an hour. I just can't understand why such huge leaps in power have to be taken on characters that aren't that way either in the comics (on which this game is supposedly based *coughUniqueXPlosionElektracough?!*) or in the scheme of the game itself.

Venomously Yours,
~*CrimsonX77

[Manchine]

Originally posted by Manchine
What no Witchen!!! Ah come on some one has to say something negitive. It wouldnt be a HCRealms post without the idiot of the day Witchen!!!


Nuff said.

[The Stinger]

Certainly sounds like a great piece, another support piece to heal the X-men, but I was hoping for one version of him to be Avengers, because they have currently NO healing figures on their team. A real hindrance in themed games.

Maybe Henry Pym will be around the corner with some support.

Beast definately looks like a solid piece though, Perplex with the X-men could be a scary thing.

[nuclearbash]

sounds great but shouldnt he have a little super strength

Where can i find the Pineappple??

[Mongoose]

That fig looks good. I think you guys did a good job with the character. Hopefully I will have that fig sometime in the future.

[Drashia]

In order to which I can remember...

Nuclearbash: SS, whilst he is strong, I don't think he was in Spideys league (correct me if i'm wrong on that though). And pineapples are in the fruit section of your local grocery store ;)

CrimsonX77: you do have some good points (the Superman dmg will always be a moot point unless that's fixed in a later set with Supes having a base dmg of at least... 4, that's my take on it anyhow) 10 speed does seem a little fast, however, Toad has it too if I'm not mistaken. I personally like the way Jon's creating the characters and, even though it should never have happened this way, hopefully we will get a rehash on some key IC figs. Let's face it... Rogue doesn't even have SS... This would be a good topic for another thread. As for Sinister and Stryfe, both heavy hitters in their own right, I'm hoping that both are created with Outwit on the first click. This being said, I'm still not sure which I prefer more now, outwit or perplex...

Noman: Nothing, I mean absolutely nothing, will erase the horror that is Psylocke! It's such a shame.... Vampire lackey's looking like turds, that's ok... but not Psylocke, tis a tragedy in my books. No botching Maverick ppl... ok?!

Wizkids: There are some baddies in this set right?

Beast: Very nice, I'm very pleased... though getting frantically impatient.

[Tarnish]

The X-men will definately be a viable team after this expansion.

U Phoenix 85
V Beast 80
R Psylock 29
V Cyclops 78
R Wolvesbane 28

Total 300

Cyclops and Wolvesbane stick together so W can help if someone bases Cyclops. And of course to exchange health clicks to keep Cyce healthy. Phoenix carries Psylock around for Enhancement while Beast runs around smacking around support figs and trying to keep Phoenix is Perplex range. A four click double tap from Cyke and Jean (perplex and Enhancment) from long range will drop or cripple most oppenets.

I wouldn't expect to win anything in a tourney with this but it's gonna be FUN.

Tarnish

[mulkabu]

Thats very funny - someone just compalined that a clix was overpowered .. BEFORE we've even seen his stats. Thats quality! I mean, it takes real talent to be that sad! I applaud that guys amazing sense of irony, cause theres no way in he can genuine. And if he is then i shoudl stop now, cause its not big or clever to make fun o' special kids.

Beast looks like a nice sculpt, ok, and I like the high move qand laep/climb. Perplex fits perfectly, rather than outwit in my opinion, and again the high damage rather than Superstrength is perfect. Add in charge, and it's a familiar Beast indeed. Support? I dislike the power, but if any superhero has it, its him I guess.

Awesome.

brian
ps Whoever was upset the x-men are too dear, all 80 points - uh, pick the rookies? ;-)

[Phantom]

Crimson:

As far as the Xplosion Electra not being based on the comics -- I haven't read this Electra: Assassin series that it's based on. So I went with the expert -- a guy who owns the shop I go to, who happens to know a LOT about comics and is a former writer for one of the major periodicals (Not Wizard -- I want to say it was Comic Buyers Guide). I told him that they were putting out a 160 point Electra, and he had the same reaction as everyone else. Then I told him it was based on the Electra: Assassin version of the character, and his reaction was more of a "Yeah, that makes sense then."

Plus, it's only Super-Senses that she has -- no damage reduction, and only a 16 defense. If you can get her out of Stealth and into Probability Control range, you shouldn't have too many problems getting rid of her.

As for Beast -- he sounds exactly as he should be for his Vet. I'm actually glad to see that Wizkids isn't purposely underpowering characters. And on an All X-Men team, he looks like he's the missing cog that moves Nightcrawler from harrassment piece into full-fledged THREAT.

[Billy Jack]

Wow, I want this set, it's getting jammed packed with great characters. I was a little taken aback with no the avenger dial, but what the hey. Excellent sculpt and cool abilitie so I aint complaining. Great job w.k.

[KaiserSelroc]

I think they over-powered Beast. Where do they get off giving him 10 movement? That makes him one of the faster guys in heroclix, as fast or faster than Hobgoblin on his glider, Human Torch, Wolverine, R Flash and Superman! Beast is no faster than Wolverine. He should be an 8, tops. And 17 defense? Beast is not harder to hurt than Wolverine in the comics. Either give him like 15 defense and toughness, or 17 without. This X-polsion expansion pack seems to be chocked full with figs that are way more powerful than they should be, but really, unless I missed the 8 issue mini-series where Beast beats Quicksilver in a footrace and goes blow for blow with Wolverine, there's no comic justification to give Beast such good stats.

[Dexceus]

Originally posted by KaiserSelroc
I think they over-powered Beast. Where do they get off giving him 10 movement? That makes him one of the faster guys in heroclix, as fast or faster than Hobgoblin on his glider, Human Torch, Wolverine, R Flash and Superman! Beast is no faster than Wolverine. He should be an 8, tops. And 17 defense? Beast is not harder to hurt than Wolverine in the comics. Either give him like 15 defense and no toughness, or 17 without. This X-polsion expansion pack seems to be chocked full with figs that are way more powerful than they should be, but really, unless I missed the 8 issue mini-series where Beast beats Quicksilver in a footrace and goes blow for blow with Wolverine, there's no comic justification to give Beast such good stats.

Ah....the sound of unreasonable witchin that we were waiting for. :)

[trust7]

Originally posted by Darth Sabre


His E version is a Defender!

gelf> March 26th!


How do you know this exact date ?

[darkseid911]

where can i get the "pineapple" ???????? is there a "lemon" too?????lololol, NICE BEAST! what is that now, three defenders?

[I Am The Game]

...but why does Beast move as far and as fast as Rogue?
Beast can move. He doesn't run, he flips and bounces.

...why does he do as much damage as Veteran Superman?
3 perplexed up to 4 is way off, he's not a heavy hitter.

...why does he get more Perplex than The Joker?
Joker's all about taking pot-shots and running away. Beast sneaks around the fight looking for someone to annoy!

...why is he as tough as The Incredible Hulk?
Toughness is right, he's 300 lbs. of muscle, you figure that's gotta give him some extra resistance.

...and why does he get healing on top of all that?
I disagree with this one, he's a biochemist, not a field medic.

[younginfluenti]

wowwowowowowowowow.................beast is sweet

[miridor]

with all the talk of a hairless unique beast, does any one remember when beast was grey??? I know I'm painting one grey. gee now I feel old......

[Teletran]

well well well....

Is Beast going to be the next Hercules?

" At 80 points, he's pricy, but his 3 damage with Perplex, 17 defense with toughness, and 10 speed with charge make him a good brawler."

The only question that remains would be his AV. If it's almost as good as Herc's then Beast would be a great alternative to Hercules.

[Paradox Factor]

Grey Beast? I can't say that rings any bells. I am going to mod one into a white Earth X version, a hairless, original version, and a AoA version (who, I beleave was grey). Any other versions I'm missing (not counting the current feline version. Yuck.0

[MarkFinn]

I am surprised as he11 that there is no Avengers beast. Stunned. I would have thought that his presence in the Avengers outweighed his presence in the Defenders.

That's my only dig. Otherwise, it's all good. Beast is a cult favorite for me. I came to love him through the Roger Stern Avengers run, so, I guess that's where my disappointment stems from.

Well, here's hoping we see a Hank McCoy LE or a unique in a later set.

[WarHULK]

I'm very impressed with Beast. I like his nice stats and his range of abilities. Nice sculpt too.

Btw, don't forget that the AoA Beast had metal legs!

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by I Am The Game


...and why does he get healing on top of all that?
I disagree with this one, he's a biochemist, not a field medic.

This one I can answer. In the last five years or so, Beast has been the surgical support for the X-Men, patching up people after battles and tending to the critically injured. He is to the comic X-men what Jean Grey is to the movie X-Men.

Hence, support.

[Phantom]

Plus, he picks it up at the end of his dial. His attack value can't be any higher than a 6 or a 7 at most, so it's not like he'll be a good medic.

You're not going to be playing beast if you need a medic.

That said, I'll agree -- 3 damage with Perplex is probably too much. 2 damage would have been better.

[falcarrion]

Than you HCRealms and Whizkids!
As for the witchen. who cares, we should be happy to have a great looking fig that I don't even see on the Whizkids site.
and be thankful for another fig pic early!

GO BEAST
(for Beastchyde)

[Feeple]

Neat! Beast!

My only point of contention is his price. At 80 points, he's good, but that's a lot of space (almost half) of a 200 point army.

Maybe him an AIM Medic, and Vet Cyke could be an interesting team...

[skurge]

the beast sounds great ,
only 32 days and counting till xplosion.

[MarkFinn]

Here's the Beast's sordid past, for those of you who are wondering about some of the stats and powers.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/b/beast.htm

Check it out and see if you don't agree with the figure.

[skforeman]

i know people are talking about a unique with avangers team affiliation, but am i alone in wanting old-school, hairless Hank? make HIM the unique. i'd love to put together a team of x-men based around their original blue/yellow costumes... i do think, tho, that he's an avenger before a defender. heck, i didn't even know he was a defender.

otherwise, the fig looks great - i'd love to see a larger image. given the wide range of abilities, i don't think that 80 is a bad number for him. imagine using jean to TK him into battle, & let him charge at the enemy. mmmm... beasty...

[Dalmatio69]

Possible 4 damage with perplex and charge? Im definitely trying him out, lets hope his attack is 10 or higher.

He looks a little more...beasty then i remember. Pretty cool tho.

[Magneto666]

I can't wait to get my hands on this one!! Woo-hoo!! Way to go, WizKids.....MORE Defenders are always a good thing!! I too am disappointed in the no-showing of his Avengers period, but maybe they'll actually get to it in another set later on down the road.......they could maybe swap in the Avengers version of Beast in the next set, and swap out Elektra version #842 !! It's not like she'll be missed......

[skeevo666]

Hopefully we'll get an "Avengers Assemble" set that'll have Wonder Man in it (He and Beast were pretty tight when the were in the ranks together; plus, being a Californian, I'd like to get a West Coast Avengers team together too :-)

[Spiritual_Ex]

He looks good, although a little small in my mind.

Should fit in nice with the X-men mix, and with Jean he'll have an effective range of 15 squares, pretty impressive.

[PantherPriest]

I was going through my typical late night internet check and was about to pity some fools for disrespectin da king until I saw BEAST

I then said to my friend ben who happpened to be iming me

BEASTBEASTBEASTBEAST
BEASTBEASTBEASTBEAST
BEASTBEASTBEASTBEAST
BEASTBEASTBEASTBEAST
BEASTBEASTBEASTBEAST
BEASTBEASTBEASTBEAST
BEASTBEASTBEASTBEAST

HEY BEN, GUESS WHAT THEY MADE A BEAST! YAYAYAYAYAYAYYAY
in heroclix that is

he said does it do him justice

I said

YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY WHHEEEEEEEEE LALALALALALA BEAST YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY...oh yeah he's done correctly yayayayayayaya

he said "cool" beast is ben's fav character but heroclix is too geeky for him, which is kinda funny cuz he's such a comic book geek when he wants to be.

(If you guys want to bug him about not playing heroclix his aim name is Spider_IDH... at your own risk he can be a real ##### when he feels like it.)

I shall now stop being silly college student and return to pretending to be t'challa the black panther (returns to poker face.)

Ah, Dr. McCoy... I approve and am happy for his recognition; Okoye send him a fruit basket

Nay sayers who complain about the blue furry educated one should check the files of mr. finn, they suprised even myself

Good day

[WakandaMan]

Awesome! All his powers are exactly as I would've had them (well I didn't think about charge, but it makes sense, and I would've given the Vet a click of outwit....but *almost* exactly)

Nonetheless I am thouroughly dissappointed that his Exp is a Defender. Even though I have been screaming for more Defenders- beast was certainly not an important person in their history (why not Moondragon? ish). He surely served as an Avenger for far longer AND more prestigiously.

Now that I've done griping....time to do some defending of my own:

KaiserSelroc- Beast's main power is not super-strength or a super intellect or whatever else people think. His mutation is primarily Super-agility. Thus the 10 movement, and the 17 defense. Like spidey, he's hard to pin down. It makes perfect sense.

Chill y'all

[Veggiehater]

Nice little surprise for us, thanks Wizkids and HCRealms!

Beast sounds about right. I'm a little surprised that they didn't give his E version the Spidey Team Ability but it's alright since we really need more real defenders.

The only thing that disappoints me with Beast is the sculpt, I dunno but he looks a little too thin and feral. Powers sound just right though, overall a nice job on Beast.

VH

[Xavier PhD]

BRAVO!

i think perplex is perfect for beast... i think outwit might have been over doing it for beast, but his smarts definitely deserve a perplex.

now i just want to see iceman! errr and apocalypse

[Thanosied]

The skills I must agree with. Beast with Perplex makes a hell of alot more sence than outwit. But he does too much damage and has too much movement if 10 is the correct amount. Beast is NOT that massive a threat. He should be Avengers but there will probably be an LE Avengers or Spider-Man team Beast so don't worry hardcore fans out there. I am now seriously scared about all the charcters in the set too follow. Will Iceman be really ####ty cause now that Beast is so high(80) someone is gonna take the heat. And as everyone knows Iceman is one of, if not the most powerful X-Men. Storm is a bit better. Someone will take the brunt of all these 80-160 point figs being produced in this new set. I like the sculpt but the way I look at it now is, we will have to get into the 6 damage figs to make some realism of this set. How can Weapon X, Savage HULK, Mandarin, Apocalypse etc. not be like 4-7 damage each if the Beast does 4 damage 3+1(Perplex). I will have to get all the pieces and evaluate each against the other to see how they shape up in the big picture. I mean even at 80 points Beast is almost a Herald of Galactus(Firelord 66,81,97). I mean heck! I like Beast as much as the next guy but unless Jon plans on a complete revamping of the game with every piece being produced starting with a 60 point handycap we all should be a little scepticle. But hey what do I know.....

P.S Jon make that Thanos and all will be forgiven. I will need you to send me a destination for the info on the collaboration of that clix.

[Dexceus]

Originally posted by Thanosied
But he does too much damage and has too much movement if 10 is the correct amount. Beast is NOT that massive a threat.

Acording to Marvel, Beast can do upwards of 40 MPH in short sprints. Sounds like 10 movement to me.

As for the damage, if I was the one designing it, I would have gone with 2 + 1 for perplex, but 3 is not completly out of the ballpark. He is strong enough to press a couple of tons, is super agile, and has tons of combat training (how many years has he been training in the danger room?). Also, keep in mind, that the perplex can be used for something else besides his own damage and it can be outwitted. It is not like you are looking at a natural 4 damage here.

I do have to say, I thought Beast was going to be the only X-Men with Outwit. Not it looks like the team will have to do without. That is, unless they make a Forge at some point in time.

[PantherPriest]

yes, good point, what do you know?

I do consider beast a threat, not a hulk size threat, but still a threat. Besides, it's clix of health that really make the desicion, like most xmen beast won't have more than 8 clix, so don't worry about it.

[Xavier PhD]

i think you are looking at it wrong... beast has good strength so he can do 3 damage... now with his "intelligence (perplex)" he can figure out a way to hit a guy in a weak spot or find a way around his defenses to add one more damage.

[MarkStewart]

All I can say is:

WOW.

[Ramplate]

Coolness. A welcome addition to the X-Men team

[CarlosMucha]

Avenger or Spiderman Tema LE 5 please noooooooo!!!!!

LE Level 3 Plase ( I MUST BUY, I WILL BUY,but I dont wanna pay 100 Dollars!!!)

Carlos

[LoneWolf21]

I wonder if anyone is dissapointed it's the original blue furry Beast, and not the Frank Quitely "Lion" Beast. Just curious.


Anyway I think he looks good, no complaints. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if we see an LE Hank McCoy with an Avenger's affiliation.

[Thanosied]

NO way is Beast a threat. To start with, he is usually back at the mansion making tools and devices to help them with the good fight. I'll admit he is battle hardened with 40+ years exp but so what. Are you saying his power strength of 2 tons is really strong? Spider-Man is 10 tons. Does that mean Spidey should do 5 clicks? Oh and battle hardened. Take a look at Captain America a flagship of Marvel for years. A pathetic 2 damage. Should he have 6. Because in a fight he is master of all tactics. Well probably not by my standards or anyone elses. I would have given Beast probably 9 movement. He warrants that because he is faster than normal scrubs but doesn't fly or leap tall buildings in a single bound.The charge is not warranted at all. He should be Mega leap/climb and be more of the super senses type then toughness to show his true nature of the ultimate acrobat. But the reason you get an ability like perplex is to put it simply, up your damage. So natural or not its 4 damage. All that perplex means is he is smart enough to help himself or someone else amplify there own powers using technology and devices he creates in the lab.

[Draggor]

Well this is a pleasant surprise. An exsclusive preview. Now how am I going to fit all these awesome X-men members in a team. Wizkids have made me a happy man again. Only a few complaints so far too. Perplex- perfect for Beast. He epitimises unpredictability. Support- good too. In the last few years he has become the x-mens' surgeon. I was wondering what I was going to do for a medic seeing I was going to replace Jean with Phoenix.
10 speed- He's an acrobat and has proven to be pretty quick in the past. I assume most flyers aren't going their top speeds due to the close quarters heroclix games are fought in. So Beast moving as fast as a flyer who has to avoid flying energy beams and crashing into buildings and lamp posts doesn't bother me. 3 damage- Well it may only be for his first click. He may drop down to 2. We also don't know what his AV is. It may only be 8 or 9. Plus beast has no way to increase his damage other than with his perplex. Most of the big heavy hitters like Superman that only do 2-3 damage have super strength to increase it. Supes also does 4 in melee once he gets CCE. Beast has a high defence for the same reason Spiderman does, not because he's tough but because he's quick and agile. I thought he deserved to be an avenger more than a defender but more defenders are needed and the LE may be avengers because they won't need a new sculpt. I'm undecided about all these expensive x-men. While it's good that their all powerful and their figures do them justice it's hard to fit them all in a team. Wolfsbane is the only cheapish one, though Boom-Boom and Shadowcat probably will be too. The plus is that all the vets are about the same points so they can easily be swapped around- Wolvie vet 75, Cyke vet 78, Beast vet 80, Nightcrawler 83, Phoenix 85, Rogue vet 88.
I've thought of a few good tactics already, as was mentioned above you can get jeans damage up to 4 with beast and psylocke. Increase Cykes range to 11 or Phoenix to an amazing 13. Beast could potentially do a 6 square charge. I'll probably keep beast hanging around my unique Professor X and use his perplex to lower my targets defence, or increase my range for a nasty surprise. That would increase the profs range to 9, so he can sit outside borkenlords range and mind control him. Whew. I've gone on and on again. Thanks to anybody who bothered to read this far.

[PantherPriest]

I completely disagree with you, however I do not care; believe what you will

Good day to you sir.

[the itsy bit]

be carefull what you wish for it might just come true.

I didn't want the X-men to all be underpowered (because most of them are under 100 points IMHO).
problem remains how can we all stick our favourite X-men (6,7) in 1 team ?
It's already going to be a 500 pointer (But, that's OK because we mostly play fun games) and shouldn't tournaments games be 300+ ?
MK has 200/300 tournaments (more cheap figs)
HC has more expensive figs so it could easily do 400 points (no duplicates)!

1 click of 3 damage on Beast is high, But could be true to him !(hey Beast is stronger then Batman)

perplex, suits him fine (maybe Beast has only got a 8,9 AV ?).

support, hmmm.. no I wouldn't have given him that (would make him cheaper) and why ? like is said he's not really a field surgeon.

Charge with 10, well (again depends on the writers) in X-men he's sometimes the wise prof. and sometimes the bouncing Beast.
in Avengers he's mostly the bouncing Beast. I'm OK with that.

high defence and toughness stand for his agility (really, Spider Senses !) would've been to far fetched.

[Grey_Hulk]

Niiiiice!

Excellent little touch with support near the end of the dial too...although I'm not too concerned with the game mimicing the comics that closely, Beast was usually the one carrying the medkit around and patching the X-men up after a fight, as I recall. :)

[Darkskaven]

Another nice clix ! Wow !

I really like the sculpt, looks very beastial with a great non-static position (beast in action, ready to charge a villain).

The powers seems O.K for me (I'm not a specialist), playable at the least.

Thank you WK for this one, and thank you for giving this preview to this site as a reward for the guys here !

[Paptimus]

Ok, the sculpt is great, and the stats seem great too (a cool mix of powers and good stats). Perplex represents its superior intellect (so why didn't they give it to Mr F., since it kinda fitted his intellect and stretching powers? Could have filled those damage slots before Outwit), and support at the end of the dial could be very useful. Definitely a well designed fig. Just one question: why didn't they make an Avenger version?? Could have been the Rookie, and a Unique would have been the early non-furry X-man... But if he has a good defense (after al, the Vet has 17), the Defenders power could fit in very well... So I suppose it's a good choice.

[Heimdall]

Finally a new Defender!
I like the thought of perplexing Hulks damage to 5. He even is able to increase the attack value of Dr. Strange and Jean Grey to make them more effective medics. Isn't it cool? With this new Defender i just have one thought in mind: As his veteran form costs 80pts. his exp. form may be around 60pts., so who will be around to fill the about 50pts. to make the Defenders a 300pts. group or am i supposed to use Daredevil?

Heimdall

[Hero For Hire]

HERE COMES THE BEAST!!!

I like Beast very much as a carachter and i'm glad they finally made it in clix version. I'm really disappointed he's not an Avenger in any of his versions (so, according to the pineapple, Ironman's goin' to be the only Avenger in X-Plosion) but there's alittle hope for the LE.

Talking clixly, he looks like a great Support/second Hitter figure, but we only know what Jon told us, so it's early to say "he's unbalanced" or "he's too powerful"... let's wait and see, in april we'lll judge.

[eagletsi]

Beast looks great.

eagletsi

[WeRVenom]

I must say I'm happy. I was hoping he would be a Defender. After all once a Defender always a Defender. I dig the 17 DV it fits his superagility. Hopefully he'll get L/C after he looses charge

[Spiderine]

Very Cool! maybe the le will be an avenger???

[Paptimus]

After all once a Defender always a Defender.
Or you could say once an Avenger, always an Avenger (wasn't it the title of the first issue of Busiek/Pérez Avengers relaunch?)...

[LurkMaster2000]

Originally posted by Thanosied
....I am now seriously scared about all the charcters in the set too follow. Will Iceman be really ####ty cause now that Beast is so high(80) someone is gonna take the heat. And as everyone knows Iceman is one of, if not the most powerful X-Men. Storm is a bit better. Someone will take the brunt of all these 80-160 point figs being produced in this new set...

not necessarily. remember, there are really no low-level X-men figures (aside from psylocke). most are mid-level (60s-80s). i don't see why they couldn't make iceman and storm mid-level characters as well.

my guess is that iceman and storm will be in the 60-80 range, gambit will be a bit low at the 30-50 range, while colossus will be the big hitter at over 100. that's if these guys are going to be in X-plosion, you know?

[PMMJ]

Well, add another vote saying he should have been Spidey Friend instead of Defender, so he could simulate both Defender, X-Men and Avenger...

[USAgent]

All around very happy with em, supieor intellect with one heck of a bruiser, that sums up Hank in a nutshell. The sculpt is beautiful, the stats sound perfect all around a great figure, even the support makes sense, so far the major characters with support make sense Dr. Strange Jean Grey and Beast, why they gave Desaad support i'll never know but other than that so far so good keep it up Wizkids, makin lots of comic book fans happy.

[Jammin]

For my tuppence I think The "E" beast should be a Spider friend (much like Black Cat) to represent his time with the Defenders and Avengers (was he also a "Champion of LA" with Angel and Iceman...?).

Glad to see Henry as a Clix though. :)

[superfriend]

thaks to Wizkids for giving this site another bonus. And thanks to all involved here for getting us those bonuses. The interview the other day and now this. Thanks again.

Xplosion cannot come out soon enough.

[Greenandgold]

17 defense and toughness. Good grief, is everyone now harder to hit than Spiderman!

[Drashia]

Just a note on the Forge comment...

Personally i don't think he'll have outwit until near the end of his dial. I would see him more as an Enhancement and/or Perplex type myself.

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by Thanosied
NO way is Beast a threat. To start with, he is usually back at the mansion making tools and devices to help them with the good fight. I'll admit he is battle hardened with 40+ years exp but so what. Are you saying his power strength of 2 tons is really strong? Spider-Man is 10 tons. Does that mean Spidey should do 5 clicks? Oh and battle hardened. Take a look at Captain America a flagship of Marvel for years. A pathetic 2 damage. Should he have 6. Because in a fight he is master of all tactics. Well probably not by my standards or anyone elses. I would have given Beast probably 9 movement. He warrants that because he is faster than normal scrubs but doesn't fly or leap tall buildings in a single bound.The charge is not warranted at all. He should be Mega leap/climb and be more of the super senses type then toughness to show his true nature of the ultimate acrobat. But the reason you get an ability like perplex is to put it simply, up your damage. So natural or not its 4 damage. All that perplex means is he is smart enough to help himself or someone else amplify there own powers using technology and devices he creates in the lab.

Don't assume that everyone will Perplex damage up to 4. Some will Pperplex attack, defence, or heck, even movement. Also, feel free to not field the experienced, Defenders Beast in your X-Men team, as he won't HAVE Perplex.

[JerryReedStyle]

Originally posted by CarlosMucha
Why no Avenger????

I think: betther is the "spider-man team" in the Exp (Because he was Avenger and Defender)

Why? no avenger!!!!!! Snif snif

Yeah...'cause HC is reeeeeally hurtin' for Avengers....

[Jammin]

There's gonna be a lot of Avengers in the Hero Clix range - check out their roster past and present - it's possibly one of the largest in comicdom.

Whether you like it or not they'll probably be Avengers in every Marvel Clix release...

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by JerryReedStyle


Yeah...'cause HC is reeeeeally hurtin' for Avengers....

Hey, "no Avenger" is a valid protest. Hurtin' for Avengers or not, Beast was an Avenger for several years during a memorable run on the book when Roger Stern and John Byrne and George Perez were the creative team.

While Beast was in the Avengers, he got a fan club. Those wacky New York disco groupies went ga-ga over his blue fur. He and Wonder Man were hanging out, causing trouble, and getting drunk (like the Blue Beetle/Booster Gold duo in the JL years later).

So, save the sarcastic comments for when they are warranted. I'm all for schooling the novices, but this is not the time.


Now, as to the people who want Beast to have Wild Card status by making him a Spidey-Friend...Um, no. Beast is a team player, not a lone character who adapts to others' fighting styles.

He was an X-Men, a Defender, and an Avenger. That's it, really. You give him wild card and now he's blending in with the FF, MOE, and SHIELD (usually all on the same team...Ahem). That's not the Beast. X, D, A. That's the Beast.

Plus, the Wild Card team ability is too expensive, I'll bet.

[Jammin]

I disagree about making his R/E/V versions X/D/A - resulting in an Avenger veteran Beast (which can't be good - the V has GOT to be and X-Man IMHO) just won't work.

He's been created now - it's a done job.

If we can't have an Experienced "wild card" beast I say let's hope for two future unique versions - one with him as the original (and then X-Factor) "hairless" beast and one as the Avenger Beast.

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by Jammin
I disagree about making his R/E/V versions X/D/A - resulting in an Avenger veteran Beast (which can't be good - the V has GOT to be and X-Man IMHO) just won't work.

He's been created now - it's a done job.

If we can't have an Experienced "wild card" beast I say let's hope for two future unique versions - one with him as the original (and then X-Factor) "hairless" beast and one as the Avenger Beast.

Hey, that's more than acceptable to me. I didn't mean to imply by listing X, D, A that I was ranking R/E/V. I was making the point that the Beast has only really worked closely with three teams, and not everyone in the Marvel Universe like Spidey. No, the Veteran Beast should be X. If it was my call, I would rather have seen Avengers in the middle and a Defenders unique (odd, because I like the Defenders). But, once again, I wasn't consulted. *snif* The president hasn't returned my calls, either. Maybe I should check my phone line...

[Jammin]

LOL - yeah - any I'm still waiting for Tony to call me to Chequers...

I don't think any of the figures made will appease all the fans - the world's not like that - I'm just glad we're getting a Beast at last.

I just know that my most regular adversay in the game (my brother in law) will field him at every opportunity - he's possibly the biggest Beast fan in history....

[CyberVenom]

I'm also glad they are going with the classic (well, not classic, since then he'd be in his Original X-Men outfit, but you know what I'm saying :) ) instead of that New X-Men load that's been handed to us.

As for his team abilities, I'll still play him, but I'd preferred an X/A/X Beast with a D U in the next set and an Original X-Men U in this one (along with the other 4 members, including Prof. X, which has technically already been made).

[Jammin]

Well I'm glad we've finally got another Defender.

We needed another Defender - we can wait for another Avenger.

BTW talking about Defenders - shouldn't MoonDragon have been a Defender? Or possibly a Minion of Doom (having been a Defender, Avenger and having worked with various evil types)?

[dasDarke]

Originally posted by Heimdall
He even is able to increase the attack value of Dr. Strange and Jean Grey to make them more effective medics.

You can't use perplex with support - support ignores any modifier and it was ruled that perplex is a modifier too.

das Darke

[Batman1983]

I'm not going to read all these pages! Just like to say that 3 damage (+ Perplex) coupled w/ Charge & a 17 defence make him the best of the 80 point X-men (unless they change the RCE rules). Beast rocks!!!!

[Doc Oc]

Nice!!! Need I Say More?

Thanks WK Thanks Maddog

[Doc Oc]

Draddog Correction. LOL i am new at this forum.

[capsshield]

no avenger. heres an idea lets get the guys running this site to make it real special by getting wizkids to do an le w/ avengers. with over 10,000 members and growing this kind of thing could help support the site and really make it special. how many of you would take two.

[Batman1983]

I'd buy 2 if he had similar stats to his E version (i.e. Perplex), but I'd get 2 for trade if it was lousy stats. either way I'd buy 2!!

[I Am The Game]

If Wizkids made an Avengers Beast, they'd have to sculpt him walking on his hands or something silly. I'd like to see it, but I'd rather leave room for new stuff first. They can do a revised edition as their swan song, when the game is about finished.

The Silver Age X-Men would be sweet, but I'm not sure the game would benefit from the snowman Iceman who plays like Avalanche, or a short-ranged Angel with Torch-like health. If Wizkids were smart, they'd sell the whole team in costume in a blister pack, like they do with Heroic Quests in Mage Knight. For those of you who haven't seen it, they repaint some of the heroes, and tweak the stats. Cheap gimmick, to be sure, but I'd get sucked into it! Would you?

[Invis-slayer]

"You can't use perplex with support - support ignores any modifier and it was ruled that perplex is a modifier too. "

Can you not use perplex to lower the targets def though?


As well...all of you who say that 3+perplex damage is too much, well that is just silly. For 80 points i want a fig that can break invulnerability, and i think that is what he will be able to do, seeing as the one stat they did NOT mention in the write-up was AV, i think it is a pretty safe assumption that it could be low, couple with the fact that X-men tend to have low AV across the board[none of them reach 11?], imho, the perp will be used to bump up his AV more often than his damage.
10-9-9-8-8-7-7-6 <<<< What i think he AV will be.

Also...we dont need any more bloody avengers yet, the other teams need to get filled out WAYYY more...but i am sure you will all see your avengers beast come out, just dont get yer panties in a knot about this one not being Avengers.

[deal wit' this]

Horay good playable X-men. Looks like they are going to be a team to be able to do what they do in the comics. That is defeat their enimies. I can't wait to see more X previews. Maybe Iceman. I just hope they don't screw up Gambit. 30-50 pts? I hope not. I would be willing to pay more if they make him what he is. A far more powerful mutant than Beast. I'll have to wait and see. No complainst so far though. Keep up the good work Wizkids.

[Batman1983]

it was brought up on a similar post that the tourny LE Beast could have the Avengers team.

[Druss]

Sweet! Now all I need is a Arcangel and my X-Factor set will be complete :)

[CaptainCarl]

im glad the xmen are turning out to becoming a powerhouse team with thier variety of powers and strategies

the beast is lookin very tourney team friendly now i cant wait to field an all xmen team in a tourney

now all im waiting for is to see a villain worthy of being called a villain comon 150 points of madness and playable in a 300 point game =)

thecaptain

[Pontifex]

Again, I must abandon my normally critical take on things and give a thumbs up to the Beast clix. As much as it may be true that Hank was an Avenger for a long time, the game needed another Defender for the sake of balance, and certainly did not need another Avenger for the same reason.

After all, the Avenger fans are getting Iron Man now...

[Emperor Kang]

This is a great surprise! Thank you Wizkids and HCRealms for the exclusive sneak peek!

The Beast's scuplt is awesome and his powers ring true to his comic character. I wish he had brought Support to the Avengers, but with only 2 other Defenders, they need (much) more help. I hope WK makes a LE Avenger Beast.

My only real complaint is that he's in the 80 point range. Unless his rookie is much cheaper, it will be tough to get a good sized group of X-Men on a team. They all seem to be comming in this range. Characters like R Black Panther, Quicksilver, and Scarlet Witch are what make the Avengers dangerous. Powerful pieces like Thor and She-Hulk are great, but you can only fit a couple of these powerhouses on most reasonably sized teams. Cheaper specialized figures are what round out the team. I actually love the Psylocke piece because it serves this purpose. I just hope there are other cheap X-Men in the set.

[mylo1wagner]

They need an Avengers Beast. Blue and furry but weaker (and cheaper) than the rookie version, because he became an Avenger right about the time he mutated to the blue furry lovable best. A unique fur-less X-man to go with the U Cyclopse would be good also (all five adding up to 200 or 300 pts).

They need to also make a retro Wonderman with his silly red trench coat and the red sun glasses for the Avengers Best to pal around with; they were the two best friends in the Avengers. Nobody else was ever as tight. Some of my favorite comics were with those two!

[Joe Kerr]

I'd rather have more Avengers but I'm sure there's a line of Doombots eyeing Beat's 17 defense. I like the sculpt and think he'll be good as a vet for the X-Men.

[Captain_Comet]

I think we have more than enough characters in the Marvel series
that can act as a wild card and help out the Defenders.
Particularly Vet. Spider-Man he has a higher attack and 18 def.
without the defend ability making him the better buy for this
group than his unique counterpart who I also think is a bit under-
powered, but oh well. The games fun. Beast looks great. I hope
they do make an LE of him that's Avengers that would be very
cool as well.

[Dexceus]

Originally posted by Drashia
Just a note on the Forge comment...

Personally i don't think he'll have outwit until near the end of his dial. I would see him more as an Enhancement and/or Perplex type myself.

The man made a gun that removed super powers. I think outwit is warranted.

[Brigadier M]

Originally posted by Dexceus


I do have to say, I thought Beast was going to be the only X-Men with Outwit. Not it looks like the team will have to do without.

What, you don't want to blow 94 points to field the vet White Queen? :)

M!

[Psylockeslover]

What, you don't want to blow 94 points to field the vet White Queen? :)

I think blow is the key word there...

[Dexceus]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Brigadier M


What, you don't want to blow 94 points to field the vet White Queen? :)

M! [/QUOTE

You know, I completly forgot that the Vet White Queen has Outwit. Of course, that is probably be becuase she is one of the few peices I don't have. I still feel stupid though.

Though I still stand by the fact that Forge should have Outwit. Hell, I am not even really sure why the White Queen has it. Though I admit to not know much about the 'diamond hard' White Queen.

[The Sandman]

"The man made a gun that removed super powers. I think outwit is warranted."

I totally agree Dexceus.

I like what they did with Beast. Can't wait to see Colossus and Iceman.

By the way, I also worry about no low cost members to fit into a team, but remember, characters like Shadowcat, Boom Boom, Jubilee, Angel, have yet to be made (hmm, or have they) and they should be cheap. Anyone for a Canonball?

[LoneWolf21]

Originally posted by The Sandman
By the way, I also worry about no low cost members to fit into a team, but remember, characters like Shadowcat, Boom Boom, Jubilee, Angel, have yet to be made (hmm, or have they) and they should be cheap. Anyone for a Canonball?

Yeah, I agree, the X-Men could se some more useful, yet low cost figures to add to the team, and I agree with you on a Cannonball.

[avila_martin]

Beast looks absolutely wonderful. I can't wait to see colossus!!! Oh wait...he's not "official" yet is he? Oh well I can dream!


http://heroclix.port5.com

[hudson20]

I don't know about anyone else but the beast seems almost overpowered. He's got 3 damage with perplex. He's also got charage with a ten movement and toughness. That means he's got great movement all by his lonesome, he can give a close combat hit for as much as dr. doom or thor can,(hell if superman doesn't have an object he deals more damage than supes) and he has toughness besides. He is way more powerful in a fight than the comic book hank mccoy. The only thing they didn't mention for the 80 point version was his attack value. If his attack value is 10 or better(so he can have a decent chance to hit firecheese) then I am fricken playing him! Alot! The heck with hercules. (That's a guy I play alot now.) Actually better yet I'll team him with hercules. That's a great army idea for a 200 point game.

This seems liek a great figure all around. He seems slightly overpowered to be hank mccoy, but when I whoop my friends with him you won't hear me complaining.

[Psylockeslover]

Beast looks absolutely wonderful. I can't wait to see colossus!!! Oh wait...he's not "official" yet is he? Oh well I can dream!

Actually, big C has been spotted on a picture of the side of a booster pack. So I think you can consider him 'official'.

[ToadROCKS]

I c-ccc-ccan't b-bbbb-believe it!!!!
I'm so happy, everyone else almost feels the same way.
but his fangs are too much
good another Defender finally, hopefully they do the same with Iceman and Angel if they come out in this set or the next sets.

[Brigadier M]

Originally posted by Dexceus


You know, I completly forgot that the Vet White Queen has Outwit. Of course, that is probably be becuase she is one of the few peices I don't have. I still feel stupid though.


Easy to overlook. The only reason she stands out in my mind, is 'cause she's the only x-men member with outwit. But since she's so pricey and brings nothing else to the table 'cept a lot of invulnerability, it's hard to imagine playing her. I drew her in one of my CT marquee tournaments, and would have played her for the outwit, but there was just no way I could fit her in the team.


Though I still stand by the fact that Forge should have Outwit. Hell, I am not even really sure why the White Queen has it. Though I admit to not know much about the 'diamond hard' White Queen.

You're several up on me. Never read comics as a kid, so the first time I'm hearing of many of these characters is in this game. No idea who Forge is, had never heard of White Queen till CT came out. DC characters I know, mostly from the Superfriends cartoon.

Ok, please no one flame me for my lack of comics knowledge! ;)

M!

[Paddy]

Nice looking fig and cool abilities, they get better all the time. go X-Men!

[StormMaster]

That looks awesome, ALL BOW DOWN TO THE PINEAPPLE...

Muahahahahaha, hehe, my X-Men team keeps growing

I'd also expect to see a certain ice cube with the same order of affiliation (i think everyone knows who I am talking about)

[Manchine]

Do You mean Emma Frost?? LOL

[brendanbrown]

!!!!!!

alright! cant wait till xplosion now....this month is gonna go by so slow....

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by Dexceus


Ah....the sound of unreasonable witchin that we were waiting for. :)

I beg to differ...

It's witchin, yes....but not unreasonable...

Beast ain't a powerhouse...simple as that...superhuman agility, strength and toughness, but nothing on Spiderman's level...or even that much more to prevent a competent opponent from taking him...

And really...is he on the same level as Cyclops, Rogue, Phoenix, Wolverine, White Queen, Magneto?? You can argue Mags is weaker than he should be in Clix form, and that point totals don't equal ability, but they are all on the same team...so that should be equal in point cost and effectiveness, but with half a dozen characters all representing different ability sets...it should average out. Beast has never been consistently shown to operate at the levels of these other characters...he's "street" level at best, with some support ability in medical and scientific knowledge.

Wolvie can easily outfight him...the girls can easily win by a mind control or by pounding him into the ground...Cyclops might get taken out or a 180 degree optic blast leaves blue fur everywhere (which is the most likely scenario)...

I'd say a 60 to low 70 would be more reasonable...much weaker attack piece, but with the support and perplex aspects remaining...

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by Paradox Factor
Grey Beast? I can't say that rings any bells. I am going to mod one into a white Earth X version, a hairless, original version, and a AoA version (who, I beleave was grey). Any other versions I'm missing (not counting the current feline version. Yuck.0

When he originally turned to Beast, Hank was grey furred...like the Hulk I guess, but they changed the colors and Beast became blue

[Regault]

How come a character I absolutely loathe gets a power combination I absolutlely love? What's next, does Gambit get the Flurry/Incapacitate combo I've been waiting for with bated breath? (Extremely unlikely, but since Gambit is the character I hate the most and Flurry/Inc. is the combo I want the most, it illustrates the point.)

Its extremely odd that they're finally adding a Defender in the form of a character not really associated with the team, while the two core members everyone were sure were gonna pop up in Clobberin' Time are complete no shows.

What they should have done was have his Rookie version be Avengers, his Experienced Defenders, and his Veteran X-Men, and then done a Classic X-Men "Pre-horrible character redesign" Unique like with Cyclops. Its nice that he has support though. Not enough non-generics have it.

They really need to add Alpha Flight to the game, not just for Box, Puck, and Northstar, but also because Shaman is one of the few superheroes likely to start with support.

[Spiritual_Ex]

Originally posted by Regault
How come a character I absolutely loathe gets a power combination I absolutlely love? What's next, does Gambit get the Flurry/Incapacitate combo I've been waiting for with bated breath? (Extremely unlikely, but since Gambit is the character I hate the most and Flurry/Inc. is the combo I want the most, it illustrates the point.)


Not sure you care, but the Medusa Unique has flurry and incapacitate :) Not to mention a 2 range and a couple ranged icons. I've never used her, but in my mind she doesn't look as bas as alot of people have made her out to be.

[Gargantua]

Yeah Beast.

Tough to tell from the photo whether I really like the sculpt or not. Could go either way. Sounds like a solid playable figure.

I'm slightly disappointed that they chose to give his E version Defenders over Avengers. But that's a personal thing. I first discovered Hnk McCoy during his Avengers stint, so there's a sentimental preference there. I'll readily admit the Defenders can use the help. (And what is this only Experienced versions of figures are allowed to join?)

And yeah next set I would like to see a unique version of Hank in his non-furry look.

[JonL]

I just wanted to let you know what's up with Beast not being an Avenger.

There were already a lot of Avengers and very few Defenders, so I wanted to fill in some of that gap. Since there's only one Experienced version I had to make a choice and I erred on the side of giving the Defenders another member.

I'd like to do another version of the Beast that's X-Men/Avengers/Avengers (or X-men), but I have no clue when I might be able to do that.

Oh, there is an LE of him, but he's an X-Men team member.

Does he do too much damage? Eh, I can see how you could argue that, but he's only got one click of 3 damage in his Experienced version and 2 clicks in his Veteran. He's not near the Hulk's level because the Hulk can really boost his damage with an object. Anyone with Super Strength is automatically tougher than someone with the same damage value without Super Strength.

Overall, I'm glad to hear you like him.

Best,

Jon Leitheusser
HeroClix Game Designer
WizKids

[clix]

I think he looks a little skinny. He always seemed a little bulkier to me.

[Dexceus]

Thanks, yet again, for talking to us Jon. Hell of a fig and it is really nice to know that you are listening to people and are willing to let us know what you were thinking.

I have to agree with the Avengers thing, though I think the LE should be Avengers.

Thanks again.

[StormMaster]

The X-Men will be so much fun to play the way me and my friend do. I'll obviously use the X-men, he'll use the Avengers.

We don't factor points in, just whatever X-Men we have v whatever Avengers he has.

Seriously, after this expansion, the X-Men will finally be able to rival such a huge team as the Avengers...I cannot wait to woop but with Storm, Psylocke, and Phoenix, the three X-women that are gonna be awesome to field.

Oh, and Manchine, who else WOULD I be talking about?? hehe lol

[Manchine]

Jon if you continue to come on here like this your gonna spoil us. Your doing a great job!! Keep up the good work. Beast looks great.

[hellboy19]

I'm really excited about Beast. He's one of my favorite X-Men characters. I recently read in Wizard that Beast is gay. Could someone tell me if this is true? Just one response please, I don't want to be posting on the wrong thread.

[cephusdog]

The rookie Beast is a different sculpt with him as a human.
Bring on Gray Beast and Avengers Beast!

[CarlosMucha]

The Sculp of The Rockie Beast is Humannnnnn!!!!!????


O h M Y G O D!!!!!

Its true this????

Carlos

[Beastchylde]

I don't think that the rookie Beast is a different sculpt. I'm not sure about that but I think it was just wishful thinking. I would personaly rather see his original version as a Unique as so many have already said (hint hint Jon, we know your listening...err reading). I was really expecting the LE to be Avengers or, god forbid, Spiderman team (too expensive). I am actually happier to find that he is an X-Man because I firmly believe that the LE will have Outwit and the X-Men need that bad. Giving the Avengers another Outwit without giving it to the X-Men would have just been cruel. They already have the best Outwiter in the game with the rookie Black Panther. Yeah I know that the X-Men have the veteran White Queen, but I don't like her and neither do most people. Not saying that she is not accurately represented, just that she is a little pricey for Outwit and Invulnerability. Give the LE Beast Outwit for a few clix and I'll be REAL happy. I don't care if it's in the beginning or the end of his dial.

Let me close this by saying that it is extremely cool to have the lead designer chiming in with comments. I am very happy your decisions so far Jon. While you definately seem to be doing the stats a little differently than the guy before you, I am very pleased with the changes you are making. I hope that you rerelease a lot of the IC figures with updated and modified stats. Many are still very good. But some just get left behind. A couple of examples that come to mind:
Cyclops, with so many of the newer X-Men having a dial depth of 7 clix (Nightcrawler and Phoenix spring to mind) shouldn't Cyclops? He is the original X-Man and a very good fighter with a never say die attitude. If you could also raise his attack by one and give him 2 more clix of ES/D I would call you god LOL.
Hercules, his 2 clix of 4 damage used to be second only to Hulk, now he is way behind Thing and Thor. Thor is fine, he is a little stronger than Herc in the comix, but Thing is no where near as strong as the prince of power. Please don't rationalize by saying that Thing is an excellent fighter(I know he is but his attack should be higher to reflect that IMO), Herc has been brawling a lot longer. He also deserves a click or two of Invulnerability. He should be able to go toe to toe with Thor like in the comix. Thor would still be more expensive because of his flying and range, but B2b they should be comparable. Those are some of the big ones I can think of right now and I'm sure you've heard it all before.

Anyway, thanx again Jon. I know it was probably a very tough call to have Beast not be in Avengers in favor of Defenders, but I think you made the right choice. There's always more sets to put out, I hope. I really like the way Beast sounds BTW.

I apoligize to all for the long post. I guess I'm just feeling verbose tonight.

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by PantherPriest
I was going through my typical late night internet check and was about to pity some fools for disrespectin da king until I saw BEAST

I then said to my friend ben who happpened to be iming me

BEASTBEASTBEASTBEAST
BEASTBEASTBEASTBEAST
BEASTBEASTBEASTBEAST
BEASTBEASTBEASTBEAST
BEASTBEASTBEASTBEAST
BEASTBEASTBEASTBEAST
BEASTBEASTBEASTBEAST

HEY BEN, GUESS WHAT THEY MADE A BEAST! YAYAYAYAYAYAYYAY
in heroclix that is

he said does it do him justice

I said

YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY WHHEEEEEEEEE LALALALALALA BEAST YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY...oh yeah he's done correctly yayayayayayaya

he said "cool" beast is ben's fav character but heroclix is too geeky for him, which is kinda funny cuz he's such a comic book geek when he wants to be.

(If you guys want to bug him about not playing heroclix his aim name is Spider_IDH... at your own risk he can be a real ##### when he feels like it.)

I shall now stop being silly college student and return to pretending to be t'challa the black panther (returns to poker face.)

Ah, Dr. McCoy... I approve and am happy for his recognition; Okoye send him a fruit basket

Nay sayers who complain about the blue furry educated one should check the files of mr. finn, they suprised even myself

Good day

Well, similar things could be said for almost any character. Almost any cross-section of abilities and feats can be brought up for any character...doesn't mean they are all that favorable. And really...someone that can pick up a ton...can do about as much damage as Herc...or perplezing himself...Thor, Thing or Hulk??

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by the itsy bit
be carefull what you wish for it might just come true.

I didn't want the X-men to all be underpowered (because most of them are under 100 points IMHO).
problem remains how can we all stick our favourite X-men (6,7) in 1 team ?
It's already going to be a 500 pointer (But, that's OK because we mostly play fun games) and shouldn't tournaments games be 300+ ?
MK has 200/300 tournaments (more cheap figs)
HC has more expensive figs so it could easily do 400 points (no duplicates)!

1 click of 3 damage on Beast is high, But could be true to him !(hey Beast is stronger then Batman)

perplex, suits him fine (maybe Beast has only got a 8,9 AV ?).

support, hmmm.. no I wouldn't have given him that (would make him cheaper) and why ? like is said he's not really a field surgeon.

Charge with 10, well (again depends on the writers) in X-men he's sometimes the wise prof. and sometimes the bouncing Beast.
in Avengers he's mostly the bouncing Beast. I'm OK with that.

high defence and toughness stand for his agility (really, Spider Senses !) would've been to far fetched.

See the thing is, Batman is far better trained to make use of his weaker strength (and not by much either according to the most recent stats)...and I think Batman clix does too much damage as is...Batman cannot harm invulnerable characters...EVER. He's human...beings made of organic steel or even rock...certainly kryptonian flesh are beyond super ninja mojo...no matter how cool the character in question is. He should do 2 damage..and have outwit to use his brain to overcome an opponents defenses...not automatic damage dealing, but that is another story...

Beast should not be able to harm people like Juggernaut or Thor without having to use his perplex, at best. It's not in character and no matter how cool you think Beast is, he ain't charging in and busting up those heavy hitters. It's not something consistently done even accounting for the flawed point system..he's rarely, if ever, shown to be powerful enough to harm invulnerable class opponents. Everything else I can accept..the range is a bit much, but not terribly so.

[Paptimus]

Well, I personnally think Hank deserves his 3 damage, since he's always been the brawling type. And since Jim Lee's run, it kinda seems his physical strength have improved (Lee's version of the Beast was bulkier than the former ones, and Hank was the big guy of the Blue team, since Colossus was in the other one). And though I understand why he's been made a Defender, most comics geeks will agree to say the Beast has lived its most exciting adventures within the Avengers...
Btw, it's very nice to see Jon give us insightful cmments about his choice in designing the game. It allows us to be more comprehensive about his work...

[dasDarke]

Originally posted by Invis-slayer
"You can't use perplex with support - support ignores any modifier and it was ruled that perplex is a modifier too. "

Can you not use perplex to lower the targets def though?


No, you can't - it would be still a modifier for this case.

das Darke

[Gargantua]

There were already a lot of Avengers and very few Defenders, so I wanted to fill in some of that gap. Since there's only one Experienced version I had to make a choice and I erred on the side of giving the Defenders another member.

Thanks, Jon, for addressing my (and others) thoughts. Don't sweat the Avengers/Defenders issue. Most of us seem to understand why you went the way you did. Defenders do need the manpower right now. I'd probably have done the same thing, if I was wearing the game designer hat.

(What does the game designer hat look like, anyway? Is it just like a baseball hat, or is it more of a top hat with "Game Designer" written on it in sparkly glitter?)

[JerryReedStyle]

Originally posted by MarkFinn


Hey, "no Avenger" is a valid protest. Hurtin' for Avengers or not, Beast was an Avenger for several years during a memorable run on the book when Roger Stern and John Byrne and George Perez were the creative team.

While Beast was in the Avengers, he got a fan club. Those wacky New York disco groupies went ga-ga over his blue fur. He and Wonder Man were hanging out, causing trouble, and getting drunk (like the Blue Beetle/Booster Gold duo in the JL years later).

So, save the sarcastic comments for when they are warranted. I'm all for schooling the novices, but this is not the time.


Now, as to the people who want Beast to have Wild Card status by making him a Spidey-Friend...Um, no. Beast is a team player, not a lone character who adapts to others' fighting styles.

He was an X-Men, a Defender, and an Avenger. That's it, really. You give him wild card and now he's blending in with the FF, MOE, and SHIELD (usually all on the same team...Ahem). That's not the Beast. X, D, A. That's the Beast.

Plus, the Wild Card team ability is too expensive, I'll bet.

If the charge of sarcasm was directed at me, I apologize. I guess it came across as more sarcastic than I intended. My only point was that there is a notable lack of Defenders and an already large group of Avengers...with plenty more to come. I was just glad to see another Defender.

[predator322]

hey he looks alsome i cant wait to use him on the field i hope he can kick some butt and great now we have 3 defenders

[hourman]

Originally posted by Psylockeslover
harless would be a unique like the original cyclops

I don't think so. He didn't get hairy until after he left the X-Men. I'm hoping the Rookie X-Man is non-hairy.

[razzastuta]

I really would've liked to see an Avengers version of The Beast. I know, I know....there's far too many Avengers figures out there, but can I cross my fingers and hope for a Unique Beast w/ Avengers affiliation in another expansion?

[delowen]

He's a thing of beauty!!! He definitely looks like he's supposed to. (Unlike Psylocke...) I also would have preferred that he have Avengers status over Defenders however. Sorry. Just my take on it.

[saxman0829]

HMMMMMMMM..... cyclops+psylock+beast= 7clicks of damage at 10 range!!!!!!!!! I'm very excited!

[The_Orphan]

7 clicks? Where do you get that?

Cyclops can either use RCE or use Enhancement+Perplex, not both. Either way you've got 4 dmg max. AT least now he use the Enhancement+Perplex combo to Running Shot for the 4 dmg the good lord intended...

[Dormammu]

THIS BEAST SUCKS!

Why?

1. He was one of the easiest mods to do. Just take a spare Sabertooth, add his hair "ears" and repaint blue. Drybrushing his hair highlights made him look like you spent hours on the figure, when I helped a 10 year old make him in only one hour!

2. I did one better, by taking a blowdryer to mine, bending Sabertooth's claw arm down, raising his fist, and bending him at the ankles so it looked like he was charging hard. Now they did the same treatment, even down to the yellow belt and red buckle. You can check Costume Changes and when I posted the pics to see for yourself. I expected a better sculpt from Heroclix. At least they invested more on Ironman than just reworking Ultron.

3. Looks like the only difference in the stats I used was a 9 attack and outwit to represent his intellegence rather than perplex!

[Manchine]

Originally posted by Manchine
What no Witchen!!! Ah come on some one has to say something negitive. It wouldnt be a HCRealms post without the idiot of the day Witchen!!!


Its a new day! Look above for answer.

[Dormammu]

Sad you can't reply without hurling yet another insult.

PS. I think your village is calling for you.

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by Paptimus
Well, I personnally think Hank deserves his 3 damage, since he's always been the brawling type. And since Jim Lee's run, it kinda seems his physical strength have improved (Lee's version of the Beast was bulkier than the former ones, and Hank was the big guy of the Blue team, since Colossus was in the other one). And though I understand why he's been made a Defender, most comics geeks will agree to say the Beast has lived its most exciting adventures within the Avengers...
Btw, it's very nice to see Jon give us insightful cmments about his choice in designing the game. It allows us to be more comprehensive about his work...

Actually the teams had very different skill focuses...there were a lot more flyer/area assault heroes on Storm's team..

And Rogue was the heavy hitter on Scott's team...Beast was secondary support at best on that team...taking on human level strength villians or slightly stronger...certainly not Delgado or most other heavies Scott's team faced...

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by JerryReedStyle


If the charge of sarcasm was directed at me, I apologize. I guess it came across as more sarcastic than I intended. My only point was that there is a notable lack of Defenders and an already large group of Avengers...with plenty more to come. I was just glad to see another Defender.

No harm, no foul. I'm mixed about the decision: glad to see another D on the list, but a little disappointed about the lack of A.

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by JonL
I just wanted to let you know what's up with Beast not being an Avenger.

There were already a lot of Avengers and very few Defenders, so I wanted to fill in some of that gap. Since there's only one Experienced version I had to make a choice and I erred on the side of giving the Defenders another member.

I'd like to do another version of the Beast that's X-Men/Avengers/Avengers (or X-men), but I have no clue when I might be able to do that.

Oh, there is an LE of him, but he's an X-Men team member.

Does he do too much damage? Eh, I can see how you could argue that, but he's only got one click of 3 damage in his Experienced version and 2 clicks in his Veteran. He's not near the Hulk's level because the Hulk can really boost his damage with an object. Anyone with Super Strength is automatically tougher than someone with the same damage value without Super Strength.

Overall, I'm glad to hear you like him.

Best,

Jon Leitheusser
HeroClix Game Designer
WizKids

Oh, heck, I missed this post entirely. I kinda figured that's what you did; nice to have my suspicion confirmed. For my money, I'd rather see a Unique Beast as an Avenger in a later set (that free Avengers move with Leap/Climb would be enough to warrant it, I'd say) than a whole new X/A/A Beast. Thanks for the input on this; it really helps to keep the shrillness down considerably.

'Preciate the effort, too!

[strucker]

Whoa!
This is a great looking sculpt and sounds like it's gonna be a powerhouse clix BUT (and I'm sure people have mentioned this before, but to quote the White Stripes, it bears repeating) NO CLIX AS AN AVENGER?????????!!!!!!!!! What the cr** is that about? He was an Avenger much longer than he was a Defender! Is Iceman gonna have a Defender clix too? OK, OK, I'll just sand off the ol' "D" and paint on a nice looking "A" and no one will know......Take that, Leunhauser!

[littletrancebo]

He looks cool, do u think he will have Outwit

[CarlosMucha]

(Sorry the english is no my first language)

For me is a mistake put one Character in another team only "for the game".

If is Avenger i dont care if the Defender is a weak team, He most be Avenger.
In this case Beast is more Avenger, no more Defender, anyway, dont worry for the weak Defender, when we got Silver Sulfer and the others the team will be ok.
Is you want more Defender give me more Defenders (Walkiria, Silver Sulfer,Black Hawk,etc)

What happenet if in the Future NAMOR(!) Is ONLY Defender????!( R=No afiliation,E = Defender, V= no afiliation) "Only for the game""beacause we have "a lot" of Avenger??? you like Namor only Defender???
or anyway you like Namor only Avenger??? No! Namor (and Beast) most be of the 2 teams

In the case of Beast, I think was be ok when the Spider-man Team (Avenger, Defender, Champions,X-Factor because de Exp was X-factor/Men too!) If Rita de Mara,Clint Barton,Spiral,Sandman. all this people is Spider-man/Domm team why no Beast?)

What you think?.

Carlos

[Gargantua]

Well, it's not that giving the Beast membership in the Defenders is unjustified. He was certainly a part of that group for a spell. It makes perfect sense that his rookie and vet version are X-Men. He started out and spent a long period with that group, and is currently part of that group again and has been for some time. In between he was both an Avengers and Defenders member. So they could have gone either way. Given the choice, they went with the one that made the most sense from a gameplay perspective and shored up the weaker team. Sure Defenders could very well get Namor and the Surfer, but Avengers already have Thor and are getting Iron Man!

[WarHULK]

Beast was a Defender and an Avenger. He had to decide between the two so he went with Defenders because we desperately need them. He will be an Avenger later on I'm sure.

I was also a big supporter of the Spidey team for Experienced Beast aswell since it would show his being on Xmen, Avengers, Defenders, and he could even be a stand in "dark beast" on the Brotherhood. Jon L. decided otherwise so who am I to question his decision? It's already done.

I'm personally glad that I've got another Defender even if it wasn't the best way to handle his Exp. version.

[Doctor Strange]

I'm with you War Hulk.

My first choice was Spiderman team, followed by Defenders and then avengers. Still, I think he's great!

I've posted a before/after 500 point X-men team in battle formations. Hopefully we will get some X-plosion stats after Megacon and at that point, I can update my team to see how much of an inpact X-plosion actually has on the X-men.

[WarHULK]

I'm guessing it will have quite the amazing impact on a 500 pt. Xmen team! You could probably make an excellent 500 pt. Xmen team from just Xplosion figures! I can't wait to get more info on this set. Everything we've seen so far has been quite excellent (save for afew minor details).

[snapcitymadman]

Avenger, Defender, X-Man, whatever..all I know is that he brings me one step closer, along with Hercules and the Black Widow, to fielding my favorite team from the 70's, the Champions of Los Angeles..ideally, Xplosion will help me along further by including Iceman and Angel, though Ghost Rider seems a forlorn hope..

[I Am The Game]

Guys, the experienced Beast is from the bronze age. Don't mention AOA carp like Dark Beast in the same sentence, please...

That being said, Beast was an key member of the Avengers, and that should be his faction. Let's wipe the Champions off the face of the Earth for the sake of this argument. They existed, what, 17 issues in their own title, and a one issue crossover in Godzilla? He was a Defender for the purposes of trying to salvage a dying title. I don't think that overrules his status as an Avenger.

Historically, there are 40 or so characters that were Avengers at one time or another. If you're gonna argue about Wizkids adhering to the comics, let them do it right. The Defenders still have Exp-Silver Surfer, and Exp-Sub-Mariner. Valkyrie, Nighthawk and Gargoyle saw little change throughout the years, so they should be represented as uniques. If you're lucky, Heroclix may last long enough to see a Son Of Satan and Hellcat figure...!

[WarHULK]

Whatever man, you can hate on whatever characters you want, but I personally would have liked the freedom to use a Spidey team ability figure on a Brotherhood team. I'll take new figures I can add into my teams any way I can. The Beast would have had some options I'd love to play on the Brotherhood team, especially because they're still such a slow team to play.

But whatever man, hate on "modern" comics and hate on the Defenders all you want. Beast is Defenders and there's nothing that's going to change that and I'm glad he's a Defender over an Avenger because I've got plenty of powerful Avengers.

[Brigadier M]

Originally posted by JonL
Anyone with Super Strength is automatically tougher than someone with the same damage value without Super Strength.


Technically true, but I've found that it's fairly rare that you can take advantage of Super Strength if you don't also have Charge (or are a flyer). I would guess that is your experience also, hence the Charge/SS combo you gave to She-Hulk and Thing. Keep up the good work!

M!

[DS-00-0, FSD]

Edit: Nevermind, I just read JonL's post.

[stylinsid]

beast iceman colassus storm I think i am in heaven and i get to play with mystique too oh my give me angel and i geuss i should be satisfied completly......

[SouthStar]

My big question is this... if Beast is on the Defenders team... does that mean Iceman will be too? And why wasn't Moondragon? She was never a true member of the Avengers, but she WAS a Defender. But, they chose not to make her a part of any team. Stupid... stupid... stupid. But, I guess it would have shot her point value above 100. Who knows?

[Quarantine]

Ahhhh... first time I've been on in almost a week and I get to see my favorite character done some justice as a viable X-Man and Defender. I'm happy now

[askani]

Very Nice!!
They should of also gave him a few clix of incapacitate and outwit. Besides that, i really like the beast they have made

[Ian_Cormack]

I've always wanted a beast heroclix !
It looks good and sounds like a good figure too!