My proposal for a Wolverine

[Mongoose]

I think that it would be odd to have another Wolverine, after seeing all of his current incarnations. I still have to agree that he needs a little more revising, as he just doesn't seem to have as much sting as he should have, and is often killed on the battlefield within a turn or two.

Here's my design on Wolverine, based on all the comics i've read with him (Not this is Wolverine when he has an adamantium skeleton).

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Dial Maker (http://www.urlmaker.com/robert/heroclix/customs_view.cfm?figs=56987)

He has invulnerability and combat reflexes on that first defensive slot of his dial (The Special if you would). I figured it represented his adamantium skeleton the best, as normal bullets don't put that much of a dent on him.

Tell me what you think.

[Manchine]

This should be in Dreams and Desires. I would say its not a very good rep of him. Move Drops to much, attack is not high enough, Defense drops to fast. He should have one more click of health he is probable one of the hardest persons to knock out. He should have special power for his Regen or even Regen special power as a trait.

[SLVRSR4]

...and here I thought you had fallen in love with a small mammal and were getting ready to pop the question...my mistake.

[JDKenada]

Manchine summed things up incredibly well. I really don't think that dial represents Logan that well, and it's definitely overpriced.

[SpakSpang]

Actually, I think this is a pretty bad representation of him.

I think I would make him 6 clicks deep only...not seven...possibly even only 5.

First opening click Charge with 8 speed. Then I would have Stealth for 2 clicks then Charge again for the final clicks.

Defense would be a special ability: Wolverine can use toughness and regeneration. He can use regeneration as a free action only at the end of your turn. Defense power would be on all 6

On Wolverines 3rd click I would give him another special power. On damage it would be: Wolverine has battle fury and willpower. When Wolverine makes a successful attack first deal 1 unavoidable damage to target and then resolve damage as usual.

So say Wolverine targets someone with impervious for only one click. He hits and deals one unavoidable damage first...it knocks impervious off, and then he deals his B/C/F damage.

I think that would make Wolverine a pretty dangerous figure to play against.

[mcrounds]

...and here I thought you had fallen in love with a small mammal and were getting ready to pop the question...my mistake.

A mongoose and a wolverine would never last.

[SLVRSR4]

A mongoose and a wolverine would never last.

Why do you always have to stomp all over the dreams of lovers?!

[Sate]

Now THAT's a Wolverine!


I wonder when WK will finally make a Wolverine again. Last one was Sinister. How many years ago was that for Marvel's "Superman"?

[Batarang96]

Defenseisalittlelow... :ermm:

[Manchine]

A mongoose and a wolverine would never last.

What about a Mongoose with a wolverines BUTT! =)

[jmainse]

Now THAT's a Wolverine!


I wonder when WK will finally make a Wolverine again. Last one was Sinister. How many years ago was that for Marvel's "Superman"?

Not quite true. The last "Wolverine" was Mutations and Monsters.

As for Mongoose's take on Wolverine, I disagree. Wolverine should, in my opinion should have the following:

:a-sharpshooter: a higher attack (think Fantasic Forces U).
:a-sharpshooter: a longer dial (one more click of life with regeneration on it, think V MM Deadpool).
:a-sharpshooter: a trait similar to Automatic Regeneration.
:a-sharpshooter: a special power on movement similar to Green Scar's "Smash" special power at the beginning of his dial.
:a-sharpshooter: a unmodified damage of 2 at the most.
:a-sharpshooter: I do like the Combat Reflexes, combine that with willpower/indomitable and the "Smash" movement power.

He should be between 100 and 115 points, Crisis Green Arrow was 104 points. Wolverine should be as good at close combat as Green Arrow is at ranged combat.

[Sate]

I don't know if the "Wolverine" in Mutations And Monsters was the real Wolverine. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think that was James Howlett Wolverine.

Also, a REAL Wolverine would be something like 180 or 200 points.

1. He can regenerate from almost nothing
2. He in completely unfazed by bullets, shot, amputation
3. His claws can cut through anything. Seriously, even stuff that they can't they can.
4. He always wins in combat

You know when Superman's power got way out of hand and he was more-or-less a god and could take on everyone and waded through lava while making the world explode with his pinkie? That's pretty much Wolverine in Marvel so let the games begin.

Wolverine is Marvel's biggest star. He kills everyone and gets laid all the time and kills a trillion Hulk-Ninjas while getting laid. How much money did the 4 Wolverine movies rake in? It's just odd that WizKids doesn't seem to want to cash in on that anymore. Not that I care about Wolverine. I think its one of those cheesy characters that doesn't have any. But it's like having five DC sets where the only versions of Superman are Superboy Prime, E-2, and Son Of Darkseid.

[Paul_Hill]

If you take a look at the sin Wolverine 4 points more a click longer and better stats in everything except for attack. The regen should be either a trait or special power that has willpower or combat reflexes with regen.

[KillerSavage]

How could you do regen as a trait? It could be comic accurate but damn he would be tough to KO.

[dariusq]

A fair representation but too expensive. Even OotS Bats is only 75pts and he's WAY better than this even if you take into account the SP.

[DarkLordVerjal]

This would be good, if it was in Clobbering Time...

[Neverfate]

The dreams and desire section is a good place to get feedback on this kind of thing. I've put many dials up on there over the years. Also, one of the users on here put up a good point generator.

As for that dial. It's old, old school. With mid-school (when Seth first got on the scene) elements. It's not horrible, just over-costed and antiquated.

That being said, Wolverine's dials have been pretty bad do to the fact that he was used so short-sightedly under the designs on Jon L or whoever the original designers were (I don't got that far back, I got into this with Armor Wars). Blades Claws Fangs is a power based entirely on randomly succeding. Wolverine, even in his berserker fury days (I don't know if he's still go that these days) was a living weapon designed to end life effectively and efficently and effing awesomely.

B/C/Fs while being effective at SOME points on the dial, shouldn't be there the WHOLE dial. It's just too antiquated a design element.

The ability to use special powers, and a more modern design asthetic would be a great boon to a new Wolverine heroclix. If he shows up in Web of Spider-Man, even as a DUO figure with Spider-Man, seeing a whole dial of B/C/Fs would be saddening (unless it was a Trait).

[Grumpygoat]

Bigger! Better! Tougher! Grargh!

Yeah, all those things aren't necessarily needed. What is necessary? A solid, playable piece that reflects the character. You can do this with Superman at 100 points (Young Superman) or you can do this with Wolverine at around 70 points. Maybe fewer. Wolverine should have Blades/Claws/Fangs, but not necessarily on every click - a 3 damage and Exploit Weakness would certainly suffice on a few clicks. Granting him some sort of power/trait where he can fight and regenerate would also be fitting. As for whether he should have a 10 or 11 attack...well, that's entirely dependent on his cost and how much he adds to a team at his point cost. A 10 might be enough. An 11 might be necessary...or maybe not. Both attack values fit the character. It all depends on what else he adds to a team.

[jmainse]

Heck, right now Gamora is a better "Wolverine" than Wolverine. Throw an Automatic Regeneration trait on her dial and we are good to go.

[winndwalker]

Heck, right now Gamora is a better "Wolverine" than Wolverine. Throw an Automatic Regeneration trait on her dial and we are good to go.

This.

I'm really looking forward to the new Wolverine in WoS. I hope it isn't Daken, I hope it's the current costume, and I hope it's up there with Ootsie and HoT Cap in terms of competitiveness. As far as existing dials go, for me Gamora is the closest match.

[Sate]

Is Wolverine in the next Marvel set?

If so, I hope WK doesn't overdo the whole "Regenerate from nothing to everything and then win the world" #### the modern writers love so much. And if they do I hope the dial is at least cost appropriately.

[winndwalker]

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=274227

according to Boneyard he is.

I'm worried he'll be more like the modern Deathstroke in terms of points and playstyle, and frankly I want one that is half the points, with keywords out the bum, and very playable. Like I said, Oots and Caps.

[Blaiser]

Auto Regen as a trait as well as blades/claws, Indominable, take those flurries and put 3 or 4 at the end of his dial along with that battle fury. Give him a superstrength special ability that only lets him pick up light objects for a few clicks. Give him charge and CCE for his first 3 clicks. Then a special ability that gives him combat reflexes and toughness for half his dial and just one or the other for the other half. Keep his damage at a steady 2, don't bring his speed below 7, keep his attack at 9 or 10 and give him a constant 16/17 defense.
That's what I think Wolverine would look like, really. As for point value, I have no idea. Between 125 and 200?

[Neverfate]

Is Wolverine in the next Marvel set?

If so, I hope WK doesn't overdo the whole "Regenerate from nothing to everything and then win the world" #### the modern writers love so much. And if they do I hope the dial is at least cost appropriately.

I can't hear you! Nah-nah-nah.

*goes and hides in the 1970s*

[Mongoose]

Did they change Wolverine in the comics guys??? The guy doesn't have superstrength. He's strong for a guy of his stature, but he can't lift a car. Also a 12AV I just can't see him with. I could see maybe bringing it up to an 11AV, but I think only Thor should have a 12AV.

I do agree that it seemed rather expensive. I was using the point calculator, and it said 89.XXX points, so I rounded up. I can't see Wolverine having a higher defensive values. On his first click that special would give him a 19DV in close combat, with invulnerability. He does suffer from not having stealth, which I think he should have combined with charge on his first clicks. Unfortunately I don't have the newer point generator to work off of, though I looked for it. I think that, guesstimating, he should be around an 80pt. fig in the new formula.

[Blaiser]

Did they change Wolverine in the comics guys??? The guy doesn't have superstrength. He's strong for a guy of his stature, but he can't lift a car.

You know, I seem to remember seeing him lift a car over his head and throw it. I think it was the animated series from the 90's though. Because of the density of his skeleton and his ever repairing muscle tissue, I do believe he can, just under enormous strain. But who is Wolverine to worry about getting strained? I'd say give him superstrength but have him only able to pick up light objects, it balances out a bit and they can do that with special abilities now.

[JDKenada]

How could you do regen as a trait? It could be comic accurate but damn he would be tough to KO.

I always thought a great way to do it is "if Wolverine was not given an action this turn, heal him one click." There's a number of ways it could be done, that one just seemed most straight forward.

[UniqueLoginNamor]

This.

I'm really looking forward to the new Wolverine in WoS. I hope it isn't Daken, I hope it's the current costume, and I hope it's up there with Ootsie and HoT Cap in terms of competitiveness. As far as existing dials go, for me Gamora is the closest match.

How about OOts on wolverine? Out of the Shrubbery or something.

[JDKenada]

How about OOts on wolverine? Out of the Shrubbery or something.

It's Logan, not Eric Idle. ;)