WWW - Batman Vs. Spider-man

[Slade Wilson]

Who Would Win - Batman Vs. Spider-man

Yeah ths ones a doozy, remember this does not have to be a fight to the death just a simple knock out will work.

I know the fan boys are going to have a field day with this one, on both sides.

Please no bickering back and forth just state your winner and if you like, the reason why you feel they would win.

This is another close one for me Im going to think about it a little more before I vote.

Both are smart and are used to outsmarting their opponontes.
Both are used to taking on big badder opponents.
Bats has his gadgets, Spidey has his powers.

This one could easily go either way.

[W.I.T]

Spidey has gadgets too ;) I'd go Spidey, but I am biased, as he's my second favorite character after the Hulk (a very, very close second, perhaps even tied).

Bats is good, but with Peters reflexes, agility, speed, strength and super senses, he takes it. Bats gets beaten by Deathstroke remember ;)

[Quintzal]

Storywise, I think if batman could figure out a way around the Spider Sense, he'd have it pretty handily.

[specled jim]

what spidey are we talking here ??
vemon stingers and organic webbing
or
web slingers spidey

just think its worth noting which one

[JackAssterson]

Spider repellent Batspray.

/thread

[jbship628]

Really, when thinking about it, how many of Batman's enemies are able to do what Spidey does? Most of the classic enemies are big ground pounders, not guys who can move basically in three demensions.

Spidey can take Batman by fighting in 3D!!!!!!!!!

[BadAxe1]

I voted Bat-Man but I really see it this way. Random rooftop encounter, Spidey webs Bats to a chimney and reads him the riot act about being so brutal with the average cat burglar.

Round two: Bat-Man has prep time, studying Spidey's movements and fgihting style. He realizes that Spidey has super powers and some sort of sixth six and develops a stragety to compensate for it. Batman wins round two and every other encounter thereafter based on prep time.

Batman + prep time > anything.



Except Chuck Norris.



I don't want Chuck Norris mad at me.

[Manchine]

The first fight Spiderman should win. The second fight Batman would win because he would figure things out. =)

[Halvmorke]

What? Spider-Man can defeat Batman without problems. WTF

[specled jim]

chuck norris+shave=christian bale=BAT-MAN

[neilr1]

Batman has beaten Superman, I think he would be able to figure out a way to squash a bug. Batman FTW.

[specled jim]

but spider-man doesnt have a "kryptonite" problem

Unless J.J Jameson is dressed as Bat-man !!

[dariusq]

Spiderman has everything it would take to beatdown the Bat except the mental steadiness to follow through. Peter Parker is too much of a softy to take on someone as confident and skilled as Bruce Wayne who isn't afraid to fight dirty to win.

[caex]

for the sole fact that Batman always has some kind of gadget that we have never heard of stashed in his belt Batman.

[lewddruid]

I'd say Spidey would win everytime this went down. No matter how smart and well trained Batman is. For me it boils down to peak human vs super human. nuff said.

[shadowfox]

I voted for Batman. With prep time, yeah, he can find a way to beat just about anyone. I think he'd figure out away to get around Spidey's spider sense. Then go for a KO blow, while Spidey's senses go berzerk.

I'm a fan of the web shooters Spidey. (Like from around Amazing Spiderman 300 time). That version of Peter Parker has the experience to give a good fight. And has the smarts to come up with gadgetry of his own.

Both given prep time. I think the fight could go either way. Slight advantage for Batman, since he is such a tactician. Always has some sort of back up plan and has well thought out plan for various scenarios.

One thing I think that gives spiderman a advantage is his spider strength. At any moment he can pick up or sling heavy object. One direct hit on Bats can heavily disorient him. (I am imagining Spidey webbing something like a big tombstone and smacking down on Bats).

Dang I am starting to change my mind. This is an awfully close match up. I really can see it go either way. I got arguments for both sides. All depends on how well the story is written.

Anyone else agree?

[m0rpheus]

As usual Batman + planning time = win.

BUT I voted Spidey since I always assume these WWW are A meets B and they fight.

Batman wouldn't hit Spidey in a random encounter. Bats gets webbed up and starts to work on a way to counter Spidey's Spider Sense.

[coad14]

ok, how many times has the Joker, a normal human in terms of strength and agility, managed to hit Batman?

how many times has Spider-man taken hits form powerhouses like The Rhino and still could fight?

Batman beats Superman ONLY because he has known Supes weakness for a long time, and plans for it every time he goes to Metropolis. He has nothing on Spidey.

Spidey wins

[commandercool]

I voted for Spiderman under the assumption that there is no prep-time. If they fight with no warning I think Spider Senses win Spidey the match. If they do have prep time I'm sure Batman can think of a way to counteract the Spider Senses, but Spiderman can probably make a cool gadget too. Either way it's very close.

[W.I.T]

Let's compare the two shall we?

Powers:
Peter can cling to most surfaces, has superhuman strength (able to lift 10 tons optimally) and is roughly 15 times more agile than a regular human. The combination of his acrobatic leaps and web-slinging enables him to travel rapidly from place to place. His spider-sense provides an early warning detection system linked with his superhuman kinesthetics, enabling him the ability to evade most any injury, provided he doesn't cognitively override the autonomic reflexes.

Paraphernalia:

Spider-Man designed and constructed several devices that he traditionally carries as part of his full costume. This includes twin artificial web-shooters worn at the wrists, spare web cartridges attached to his belt, spider-tracer devices attuned to his spider-sense, the spider-signal light, and a compact camera. He has reconstructed his web shooters out of a high density plastic to avoid metal detectors, and has added modifications to detect low web-fluid levels, and propel spider-tracers.

For a time while allied with Iron Man, Spider-Man wore a costume that was equipped with filters in the mouth area to keep out toxins and allow him to breathe underwater, audio amplification, visual amplification (including vision in the infrared and ultraviolet wavelengths), a short-range GPS microwave communication system (with a built-in fire, police, and emergency scanner), and retractable webbing under his arms that allow short bursts of gliding. The costume was made of a material that could serve as a bulletproof jacket against small caliber bullets. For the first upgrade to the costume, Stark added three mechanical waldo arms, which can grab and move objects as well housing cameras which transmit images back to the costume's eyepiece. The waldoes can also be used offensively in combat. The costume is now built out of a liquid metal nanofiber material allowing it to quickly change in appearance upon mental command into anything from Spider-Man's civilian clothes to his former costumes, as well as providing camouflage by blending with the surrounding colors.

VS:

Skills, abilities, and resources:

There are a plethora of superheroes without superpowers but of them all the Batman character relies on "his own scientific knowledge, detective skills, and athletic prowess."[23] In the stories Batman is regarded as one of the world's greatest detectives.[115] In Grant Morrison's first storyline in JLA, Superman describes Batman as "the most dangerous man on Earth," able to defeat a team of superpowered aliens all by himself in order to rescue his imprisoned teammates.[116] He is also a master of disguise, often gathering information under the identity of Matches Malone, a notorious gangster.

Costume:
Main article: Batsuit

Batman's costume incorporates the imagery of a bat in order to frighten criminals.[117] The details of the Batman costume change repeatedly through various stories and media, but the most distinctive elements remain consistent: a scallop-hem cape, a cowl covering most of the face featuring a pair of batlike ears, and a stylized bat emblem on the chest, and the ever-present utility belt. The costumes' colors are traditionally blue and grey,[117] although this colorization arose due to the way comic book art is colored.[117] Finger and Kane conceptualized Batman as having a black cape and cowl and grey suit, but conventions in coloring called for black to be highlighted with blue.[117] This coloring has been claimed by Larry Ford, in Place, Power, Situation, and Spectacle: A Geography of Film, to be a reversion of conventional color-coding symbolism, which sees "bad guys" wearing dark colors.[118] Batman's gloves typically feature three scallops that protrude from long, gauntlet-like cuffs, although in his earliest appearances he wore short, plain gloves without the scallops. A yellow ellipse around the bat logo on the character's chest was added in 1964, and became the hero's trademark symbol, akin to the red and yellow "S" symbol of Superman.[119] The overall look of the character, particularly the length of the cowl's ears and of the cape, varies greatly depending on the artist. Dennis O'Neil said, "We now say that Batman has two hundred suits hanging in the Batcave so they don't have to look the same . . . Everybody loves to draw Batman, and everybody wants to put their own spin on it."[120]

Equipment:

See also: Batman's utility belt
The 1966 television Batmobile was built by George Barris from a Lincoln Futura concept car.

Batman uses a large arsenal of specialized gadgets in his war against crime, the designs of which usually share a bat motif. Batman historian Les Daniels credits Gardner Fox with creating the concept of Batman's arsenal with the introduction of the utility belt in Detective Comics #29 (July 1939) and the first bat-themed weapons the batarang and the "Batgyro" in Detective Comics #31 and #32 (September; October, 1939).[19] Batman's primary vehicle is the Batmobile, which is usually depicted as an imposing black car with large tailfins that suggest a bat's wings. Batman's other vehicles include the Batplane (aka the Batwing), Batboat, Bat-Sub, and Batcycle.

In proper practice, the "bat" prefix (as in batmobile or batarang) is rarely used by Batman himself when referring to his equipment, particularly after some portrayals (primarily the 1960s Batman live-action television show and the Super Friends animated series) stretched the practice to campy proportions. The 1960s television series Batman has an arsenal that includes such "bat-" names as the bat-computer, bat-scanner, bat-radar, bat-cuffs, bat-pontoons, bat-drinking water dispenser, bat-camera with polarized bat-filter, bat-shark repellent bat-spray, and bat-rope. The storyline "A Death in the Family" suggests that given Batman's grim nature, he is unlikely to have adopted the "bat" prefix on his own.

Batman keeps most of his field equipment in a utility belt. Over the years it is shown to contain a virtually limitless variety of crime fighting tools. Different versions of the belt have these items stored in either pouches or hard cylinders attached evenly around it. A typical major exception to the range of Batman's equipment are conventional firearms, which he refuses to use on principle considering that weapon class was the instrument of his parents' murder. Modern depictions of Batman have him compromise for practicality by arming his vehicles mainly for the purpose of removing obstacles or disabling enemy vehicles.

[llyrghmnghyll]

Batman wins. Batman does not fight unless he's prepared. The Joker hits batman because there is no way to prepare for The Joker.

If they randomly run into one another on rooftops then they don't fight. seriously why are they in the same universe. Has Spiderman been Magically transported across Universes because somebody told him batman was a bad guy - in that lone circumstance Spiderman wins. in any circumstance where batman has some info that there are heroes from another universe crossing over batman hides in the Batcave until he has a hanle on the situation. Deathstroke only Beats batman because he's batman plus some superpowers.

[readyeddy?]

Batman preps and preps and preps, then he loses.

[nivlac713]

Hehe I think spidey messes around till bats gets in the one hit that puts spidey on the defensive. Then batman finishes it and leaves. Spidey feels stupid he let his guard down and got trounced. Just the way it goes, Pete is too soft to be able to take on the bat. Gotta be ruthless. Like the bat.

[GrimlockX]

Assuming it's their first encounter, I give it to Spidey. Every other time after that it gets more interesting.

[SmittySue]

I hate when people say "Give Batman enough time he can defeat anyone."

No crud captain obvious..Give any super-hero enough time and they beat anyone.

Basically come up with a different reason why Bats would win.


One Round...no prep time just battle

Spidey wins due to better strength, agilty, and Spidey Sense.

[XFORCE1982]

So sick and tired of Bat Man fans, I really am. The creator of this thread said who would win in a straight up fight, no kills, just knock out, its not who would win the best out of 3 and jesus christ i am so ####ing tired of this bull#### prep time. By the time bat preps on how to beat spidey, spidey would have already knocked him out. As for Bats defeating supes..i think almost anyone with Kyrptonite gloves can do the same, so no gold star for bruciey

As for WWW, Spider-Man all the way, plus he's the bigger icon

[thugit]

Pete would win the first time-then Batman would have him everytime.

Spidey for the win.

[Kon`El]

Batman never made a deal with the devil.

[XFORCE1982]

Could with enough prep time, can Bat Man beat God or Dr. Manhattan or Goku for that matter?

[XFORCE1982]

Batman never made a deal with the devil.

Mary Jane made the deal, not Peter, know the comic before you make a post about it

[thugit]

As for WWW, Spider-Man all the way, plus he's the bigger icon

Spidey is in the top 5, but ALL superheroes are in the shadow of Batman and Superman as far iconic status goes...

[XFORCE1982]

Spidey is in the top 5, but ALL superheroes are in the shadow of Batman and Superman as far iconic status goes...

Na, disagree big time with that

[thugit]

Mary Jane made the deal, not Peter, know the comic before you make a post about it

...and Pete went along with it. Maybe you aren't that familiar with it, either.

On the other hand, Batman outsmarted and beat the Devil...

[readyeddy?]

Don't blame Spiderman for bad storylines.

[thugit]

Na, disagree big time with that

Then you disagree with comic book and multimedia sales.

Spidey is awesome (and he wins this fight), but Bats is definetly the bigger icon.

[readyeddy?]

Then you disagree with comic book and multimedia sales.

Spidey is awesome (and he wins this fight), but Bats is definetly the bigger icon.

I think Spiderman, Batman and Superman rank pretty close to each other in terms of how iconic they are.

[Kon`El]

Mary Jane made the deal, not Peter, know the comic before you make a post about itI do know the comic.
Mephisto: Time is running out and yet only one of you has agreed to my terms. I cant go any further with this. What say you Mr. Parker?
MJ:It's ok, Its ok, Its all going to be ok. Go on now save May. Be the hero, Be my hero.
Peter: NYRAAARGH! Do it.

She may have done some convincing but in the end he still made the deal

[thugit]

Don't blame Spiderman for bad storylines.

I'm not. JMS gets the blame for that one. (Sooo glad he's writing Superman now. Yikes.)

I don't know why Marvel tries to ruin Spidey so often...

[JackAssterson]

Batman could beat Nightwing, Daredevil and Spider-Man all at the same time while eating a ham sammich.

[readyeddy?]

I'm not. JMS gets the blame for that one. (Sooo glad he's writing Superman now. Yikes.)

I don't know why Marvel tries to ruin Spidey so often...

Marvel is trying to ruin all their characters, that's why they employ twirs like Jeph Loeb and let Joe Quesada call the shots.

[readyeddy?]

Batman could beat Nightwing, Daredevil and Spider-Man all at the same time while eating a ham sammich.

That would be because the ham sandwich was infected with E-Coli.


Oops read that wrong.

[Kon`El]

I'm not. JMS gets the blame for that one. (Sooo glad he's writing Superman now. Yikes.)

I don't know why Marvel tries to ruin Spidey so often...

I don't really see how you can blame JMS for a bad storyline that he was forced to write and wanted to take his name off of before being convinced not to. I blame Joey Q.

[JackAssterson]

That would be because the ham sandwich was infected with E-Coli.

E-Coli repellent Batspray. Batman wins.

Homework: somebody find a credible "most globally recognized pop culture characters" study/what have you. Then we can settle the whole "who's more iconic" thing.

[XFORCE1982]

Batman could beat Nightwing, Daredevil and Spider-Man all at the same time while eating a ham sammich.

I bet he can beat Ryu, Ken & Bison to, right?

[JackAssterson]

I bet he can beat Ryu, Ken & Bison to, right?

He'd have to give up half the sammich, otherwise he'd have some trouble.

[BadAxe1]

Could with enough prep time, can Bat Man beat God or Dr. Manhattan or Goku for that matter?

No, not God, don't be ridiculous.

[XFORCE1982]

Silly me, forgive me lol

[BadAxe1]

Could with enough prep time, can Bat Man beat God or Dr. Manhattan or Goku for that matter?


Also, please note that I clearly stated that Batman could by no means beat Chuck Norris.

[thugit]

I don't really see how you can blame JMS for a bad storyline that he was forced to write and wanted to take his name off of before being convinced not to. I blame Joey Q.

He still wrote it. Probably cashed some checks for it, too.

Plus, he wrote The Other.

'nuff said.:)

[speedy92286]

I love both characters, but my vote is for Spider-man. Both have gadgets, both are, at least to me, equally smart, and both fight beings much more powerful than them and still win. So they both have willpower, wits, and skill. As someone else said, when it comes down to it, Spider-mans powers will get him the win.

Batman can't sneak up on him, can't get him with a batarang, and cannot hit as hard. Sure, Spidey will get his take a few hits, but one or two will take out Batman, and Spidey will definitely use his web. Batman can get out of it, sure(his suit does have sharp blades on it for a reason) but the effort will slow him down enough for Spider-man to get in one good hit and knock Batman out.

[readyeddy?]

He still wrote it. Probably cashed some checks for it, too.

Plus, he wrote The Other.

'nuff said.:)

I'm thinking his claim that he didn't want to do it is a bit of spin doctoring after he found out the reaction to the story.

[thugit]

One solid punch from Pete pretty much wins it.

He's exactly the kind of guy that Batman beats after studying, but not in a blind fight.

How about the Secret Six vs. the Sinister Six?

Someone put that poll up for me. I can't because I'm posting from my phone...

[thugit]

I'm thinking his claim that he didn't want to do it is a bit of spin doctoring after he found out the reaction to the story.

I think you're right.

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

Spider-Man. He's faster than Bruce, has a genius-level intellect, but Bruce will have him in combat technique though.

But Spidey has his Spidey Sense, has gadgets as well (web-shooter, tracking devices, etc.).

I give to Spidey mostly for this though:

With his agility, super-human speed, and super strength, one un-pulled punch from Spider-Man, and it's lights out for Batman, as his skull is crushed. Remember, Spidey can lift up objects as such cars, so a punch from him would break every bone in someone's body.

Just the facts Ma'am:

Batman -
No Superhuman Powers
Above Average Intellect
Gadgets
Martial Arts Master in 47 styles
Body Armor
Detective

Spider-Man-
Genius-level Intellect
Accelerated Healing Factor
Super-Strength
Super-human speed, stamina, agility, reflexes, and durability.
Precognitive Spider-Sense
Gadgets
Web-Shooters
Wall-crawling ability

No competition. Spidey hands down!

[thugit]

Batman is smarter-not that it matters here, though...

[Grumpygoat]

Na, disagree big time with that

Batman is the most popular superhero, period. The only one who is arguably as iconic or more is Superman.

Between movie gross, number of movies made, TV shows made, comic sales, so many, many, many different avenues that we can look at for success...Batman is pretty much top dog.

Anyway, for my money: Batman wins...arguably. Batman is unlikely to stick it out in a fight against someone like Spider-Man. Chances are, Batman will run and while Spider-Man may be able to detect when he's being attacked, he's going to have a much harder time tracking Batman down. So they'll tussle, briefly, then Batman will slip off to fight the fight on his own terms.

Quite likely by figuring out who Spider-Man is, then having a go at him while he's Peter Parker. Sure, Pete's still Spidey, but it'll be a much more compromising position for Spidey.

Still, Batman almost certainly would have to fall back from any first encounter between them and that might qualify as a win for Spider-Man.

[Grumpygoat]

Batman is smarter-not that it matters here, though...

Yeah. Anyone describing Batman as only having an above average intellect doesn't actually know what the heck he's talking about. For one, Countdown to Infinite Crisis specifically notes that Batman has a genius-level intellect. Not "Above Average." He's the very pinnacle of humanity, physically and mentally.

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

Batman is smarter-not that it matters here, though...

Bruce Wayne has an above average IQ. He mostly relies on other people to provide his tech.

Peter Parker has a genius-level intellect.

Bottom Line: Peter is smarter.

However, who's a more tactical fighter:

Bruce is the much smarter fighter, and his fighting techniques are superb to Spidey's

Batman is the most popular superhero, period. The only one who is arguably as iconic or more is Superman.

Between movie gross, number of movies made, TV shows made, comic sales, so many, many, many different avenues that we can look at for success...Batman is pretty much top dog.

Anyway, for my money: Batman wins...arguably. Batman is unlikely to stick it out in a fight against someone like Spider-Man. Chances are, Batman will run and while Spider-Man may be able to detect when he's being attacked, he's going to have a much harder time tracking Batman down. So they'll tussle, briefly, then Batman will slip off to fight the fight on his own terms.

Quite likely by figuring out who Spider-Man is, then having a go at him while he's Peter Parker. Sure, Pete's still Spidey, but it'll be a much more compromising position for Spidey.

Still, Batman almost certainly would have to fall back from any first encounter between them and that might qualify as a win for Spider-Man.

To be honest, I always hate the "But if Batman has time to prepare" argument. In that case, Tony Stark designs a BatBuster Armor and has batwings for dinner.

Lock two characters in the Octagon: Who comes out? Who doesn't? Spider-Man comes out, Batman has a fractured skull, broke collarbone, missing all his teeth, two broken legs and arms, and would need skin grafts and be in a body cast for 6 months.

[Superclone]

Batman developed a device to disguise his heartbeat from Superman. You honestly don't think he can take on a guy in red and blue underwear?

Oh wait ...

Anyways ... Batman every day of the week.

[Grumpygoat]

Bruce Wayne has an above average IQ. He mostly relies on other people to provide his tech.

Peter Parker has a genius-level intellect.

Bottom Line: Peter is smarter.

It's possible you were posting while I was pointing out that Batman was a genius.

But just to reiterate: Batman is a genius. Canonically. When you say he only has an above average intellect? That is you revealing that you don't really know anything about Batman. It's the equivalent of saying that Sherlock Holmes has only an above average intellect - and anyone making that claim will look laughable in the process.

Spidey's a smart guy, but not exactly in the top-tier of Marvel's smart-folk when you get right down to it. Batman, meanwhile, is in the top-tier of DC's smart folk. "Peak human." He's about as smart as they get.

Lock two characters in the Octagon: Who comes out? Who doesn't? Spider-Man comes out, Batman has a fractured skull, broke collarbone, missing all his teeth, two broken legs and arms, and would need skin grafts and be in a body cast for 6 months.

Explosives, gas, the fact that Spidey quite possibly receives a massive electric shock the moment he lays a finger on Batman...both would likely need some hospital time.

[anodejaninis]

Peter Parker showed his alter-ego indentity to the world. Bruce kept a record of that.
Spider-man arrives in gotham for no other purpouse than to fight the batman.
Bruce hears about it and shows up with a fake alter-ego identity like nightwin or the likes. Sprays knock-out gas to his face, ties the guy up and throws him in Arkham for being so cocky.
Batman wins.

[CowboyBebop]

...and Pete went along with it. Maybe you aren't that familiar with it, either.

On the other hand, Batman outsmarted and beat the Devil...

OMG. He beat the devil? If that isn't fan service, I don't know what is.

Batman is definately the most over-rated hero of all time.

[thugit]

As for intelligence...Bruce is second only to Luthor in the DCU.

He's smarter than Pete. As was stated-saying otherwise demonstrates a lack of knowledge about Batman.

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

Peter Parker showed his alter-ego indentity to the world. Bruce kept a record of that.
Spider-man arrives in gotham for no other purpouse than to fight the batman.
Bruce hears about it and shows up with a fake alter-ego identity like nightwin or the likes. Sprays knock-out gas to his face, ties the guy up and throws him in Arkham for being so cocky.
Batman wins.

You are forgetting one vital piece of info: Spidey-Sense!

[petevaldez]

Mary Jane made the deal, not Peter, know the comic before you make a post about it


someone's getting angry. you're taking this WAY TOO SERIOUSLY.

[Repulsor rage]

Parker takes it hes just as smart as Bruce and has superpowers

[petevaldez]

As for intelligence...Bruce is second only to Luthor in the DCU.

He's smarter than Pete. As was stated-saying otherwise demonstrates a lack of knowledge about Batman.

batman is my favorite hero, ever, but i think Mr. Terrific is supposed to be smarter than batman. Batman is a tactician, tho. this fight wouldn't be about gadgets and trigonometry, it would be about finding spider-man's soft spot and exploiting it to high heaven.

[SilverAgeFlash]

Batman Win!!

He can "Hide" from psy people and has fought with people with Limited Precognition before.

Spiderman is effectly the Creeper but slightly stronger. The thing that makes Spider-man so good is that there are fewer people with super Agility in marvel than in DC. Once you know how to deal with a Flash Spider-mans not that Fast.

The real Reason is the Insane amount of experience in HTH fighting Batman has over peter, that and Peter goes into fights with a more carefree attitude than Bruce does. Once Peter lets Bruce set the Tempo of the fight, (which he does all the time as he gets a feel for what he's dodging from) he looses.

[Grumpygoat]

batman is my favorite hero, ever, but i think Mr. Terrific is supposed to be smarter than batman. Batman is a tactician, tho. this fight wouldn't be about gadgets and trigonometry, it would be about finding spider-man's soft spot and exploiting it to high heaven.

Mr. Terrific is canonically the third smartest human in the DCU. The top two are left ambiguous - I think the point is that Luthor and Batman are supposed to be the two smartest, but that isn't necessarily the case and probably won't ever be stated. Besides which, it's a dumb statement to make, anyway - the idea that there's a definitive number one martial artist, for example, is stupid. On any given day, if you threw Batman, Bronze Tiger, Richard Dragon, Batgirl, and Lady Shiva all together into an arena, chances are that any one of them would come out winning depending on the day. The arena, their mental state, the style of martial arts they first decide to use, what they ate that day - all those little things matter and anyone who believes there's a definitive number one is kidding their self.

"Third smartest" person is still a dumb statement, but it's way less contentious than trying to claim number one or even two. In either case, the top two are left unstated and will probably always be left unstated.

[petevaldez]

well put, grumpygoat. i think it's fair to say that Batman is the most feared man on earth. superman said in JLA volume 1 that batman is ''the most dangerous man on earth" i figure superman is pretty credible.....

[I Am The Game]

Spider-senses aside, Spider-Man can still be outmaneuvered by a gifted martial artist. He's been hit by heavy hitters, though, so there is no knockout shot, and he can retreat to safety while he shakes it off.

[JackAssterson]

To be honest, I always hate the "But if Batman has time to prepare" argument. In that case, Tony Stark designs a BatBuster Armor and has batwings for dinner.


Batman could beat Nightwing, Daredevil, Spider-Man, Ryu, Ken, M. Bison and Iron Man all at the same time.

He would only be able to be eating 1/4 of a ham sammich at the same time, however.

You are forgetting one vital piece of info: Spidey-Sense!

Spidey-Sense Repellent Batspray.

[thugit]

In that case, Tony Stark designs a BatBuster Armor and has batwings for dinner.

Batman would rip Iron Man a new one.

He can hide from Superman and the Martian Manhunter, so Stark would have no chance at finding/keeping up with him.

Overload the armor, and it's all over-and as Cap, Winter Soldier and many others have shown, that's not that hard to do.

Batman is what Tony Stark dreams about being...

[awf7]

I think Spidey wins this round only because of his superhuman abilities. Batman has him in hand to hand combat, but Petey knows how to take hits. I mean if Bane can break the bat, why can't spidey?

[SilverAgeFlash]

I think Spidey wins this round only because of his superhuman abilities. Batman has him in hand to hand combat, but Petey knows how to take hits. I mean if Bane can break the bat, why can't spidey?

Because Bane is a Super Genius who set up a trap that took place over 2 weeks and had Bruce on the streets constantly for 3 days with no sleep.

[GrimlockX]

As for intelligence...Bruce is second only to Luthor in the DCU.

He's smarter than Pete. As was stated-saying otherwise demonstrates a lack of knowledge about Batman.

I thought Brainiac was supposed to be the top-dog of intellect in DC? If not, what's the point of his name?

[Manchine]

Tony Stark is what Bruce Wayne dreams about being...

His boy wonder.

:p:laugh:

[Thunderclese]

Like you said, it could go either way, and i love 'em both. So I erred on the side of Spidey. He's got the crazy Spidey-style fighting that won't be automatically recognized and countered, the spider-reflexes and spider sense going for him, plus webs all over the place. (provided he isn't too broke to make more!)

And I realize you could say the same things for Bats (gadgets, martial training, etc...) but hey, that's my choice.

[llyrghmnghyll]

I thought Brainiac was supposed to be the top-dog of intellect in DC? If not, what's the point of his name?

Brainiac's not human.

The smartest people are Mr. Terrific, Batman, and Luthor, and despite this talented being wasted on hitting people they don't like, the D.C> universe still has way more advanced tech then us and yet no one can form a decent relationship.

We should all feel like village idiots.

[Manchine]

Brainiac's not human.

The smartest people are Mr. Terrific, Batman, and Luthor, and despite this talented being wasted on hitting people they don't like, the D.C> universe still has way more advanced tech then us and yet no one can form a decent relationship.

We should all feel like village idiots.

Although he didn't say human he just said "Bruce is Second only to Luthor in the DCU." I think that qualifies as Brainiac being smarter then Batman. =) :laugh:

[NeoShazam]

I like Batman more, but Spiderman's mix of agility and strength and et cetera have me voting for him. But make no mistake Spidey would be exhausted and probably pass out shortly thereafter.

[Dragon_Rose]

I would have to say spidey would win the majority of the time if we ran the program that history channel uses to determine who would win. I would say it would be about 65% in favor of webs.

[TrogThor]

for the sole fact that Batman always has some kind of gadget that we have never heard of stashed in his belt Batman.

This is how they would write it, "Lucky I just made this random gadget this morning." All of a sudden bats' suit is unstickable or something.

I voted spidey. Way faster, way stronger, way better reflexes and shoots webs.

[Pepsirox08]

Batman's got this in the bag... no contest!

[Blaiser]

Okay, first I want to say that I am a Spidey fanboy. However I do think Batman should be given credit where credit is due.
If it is the first time the two encounter each other, and somehow end up fighting, Spider-Man would win given his spider-sense, webbing, and reflexes. I'm sure a second encounter, which Batman was readily prepared for, would leave him the victor. Third encounter could easily go back to Spidey as he would understand Batman's level of intelligence and have his own ways to counteract whatever new toys Batman has come up with. The stakes would keep rising, eventually leveling off.
I call, overall, a stalemate.

[LanternSupreme]

Batman beyond a doubt. He is way too tactical for Spider-man. Lets admit it, Parker isn't half the genius that Wayne is. Parker's a freaking school teacher, Wayne's a billionaire. Parker may have actual powers but when hasn't Wayne been able to tactically manhandle a meta-human. Come on . NO CONTEST. BATMAN ALL THE WAY!

[Blaiser]

Lets admit it, Parker isn't half the genius that Wayne is. Parker's a freaking school teacher, Wayne's a billionaire.

Bruce inherited his starting money from his parents and has been able to expand his monetary base, every time Peter has gotten a break financially, something happens. He's always been dirt poor so that he can seem relatable to readers. Just because he's poor doesn't mean he's not a genious. All of his gadgets he's created, including inventing his webbing, has been done on a very fixed income.
Oh, and Peter's not even a school teacher anymore, he's currently unemployed and can't even get a photography job.

[CowboyBebop]

Batman has zero chance of winning a fight against Spider-man. Super strength, spider sense, agility, and webbing makes Peter too much for Bruce. Writers make Batman out to be way much more than he is; peak human.

I would even take Moon Knight over Batman.

[MacGyver2506]

Ready for the oldest line in the book???

Batman would just spray Spider-Man with his Spider-repellent!

Batman wins!!!

(Note: Shark repellent)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/questlog/4130426484/

[Blaiser]

Batman has zero chance of winning a fight against Spider-man. Super strength, spider sense, agility, and webbing makes Peter too much for Bruce. Writers make Batman out to be way much more than he is; peak human.

What say you to Batman taking out characters like Clayface, Killer Croc, and um... other superhuman baddies? As much as I'd like to agree that Spidey would win hands down, you gotta give ol Batty props.

[speedy92286]

What say you to Batman taking out characters like Clayface, Killer Croc, and um... other superhuman baddies? As much as I'd like to agree that Spidey would win hands down, you gotta give ol Batty props.

Even though I agree Spider-man will win against Batman, Batman will put up a good fight. Like you said, he fights powered enemies all the time. Clayface, Killer Croc, Poison Ivy, Man-Bat, and has taken down others in his time in the JLA. Yes, he is formidable, but Spider-man has the advantage in my eyes nonetheless.

[DrugSex]

Batman has beaten Superman, I think he would be able to figure out a way to squash a bug. Batman FTW.

Becasue he let him... A punch of Batman to Superman (even with the Kriptonite ring) is like mah... If Superman punches Batman, we got Batman R.I.P 2. :p

Spidey will never beat Batman. Batman is a pro... Spidey is more like a upper sidekick.

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

Batman is a tool.

[GrimlockX]

Becasue he let him... A punch of Batman to Superman (even with the Kriptonite ring) is like mah... If Superman punches Batman, we got Batman R.I.P 2. :p

Spidey will never beat Batman. Batman is a pro... Spidey is more like a upper sidekick.

Hm, don't remember a whole lot of Clark saying "Bruce, please beat me to a pulp" in DKR.

Also, upper level sidekick? What crazy pills have you been taking?

[readyeddy?]

Hm, don't remember a whole lot of Clark saying "Bruce, please beat me to a pulp" in DKR.

Also, upper level sidekick? What crazy pills have you been taking?

Considering his user name, I'd say all of them.

[GrimlockX]

Considering his user name, I'd say all of them.

Fair enough.

*you must spread rep around before blah blah blah :cross-eye

[cocopuffs32]

I think Spidey has a clear advantage in a brawl.

The fact that his reflexes are 40 times faster then a profesional athlete this is not even considering his spidey sense factored in, most profesional boxers can throw about 4 - 6 punches by the time an average man can.

His Spider Strength well thats obvious, but his endurance is super as well.

Agility well lets just say Robin or Nightwing would be put to shame by Peters acrobatics and sense of awarness or equalibrium.

Batman has gadgets but so can spidey if peter puts his mind to it! but web shooters is all he needs plus his spider tracers, Batman is not super human so he needs his gadgets somone posted a list of supervillians and quit frankly those bat villains. Clayface, Killer Croc, Poison Ivy, Man-Bat Im sorry but of the brusers here Rhino would charge threw them with ease and the Spider beats Rhino a lot. Electro would love to see half of bat villians take him down! however batman would punk Electro if prepared for it!

So long story short the Spider is almost in everyway superior to Batman in every atribute in a brawl and the that was the initial question when this thread was started was who would win in a strait up brawl, Easy Spidey (I havent factored in the amazing ability of comics to be so inconsistant issue by issue, such as back in the day batman caught in Hulks bear hug! and so he grunts with pain and pops out a sleeping gas pellet and beats the hulk. Or when Spider man beat Super Boy or when Wolverine beat Lobo!)

Now if good ole wayne had time to trap the spider yes he could pull this off, but i guess thats the key to batmans sucsess is his ability to stear the fight in his terms of engagment if wayne was to set up a trap for spidey, the poor spidey would have a real big problem on his hands.

[JackAssterson]

Clayface, Killer Croc, Poison Ivy, Man-Bat Im sorry but of the brusers here Rhino would charge threw them with ease and the Spider beats Rhino a lot.

Poison Ivy? Given that she's a normal human female (plant stuff aside) sure.

Man-Bat can fly. He's not getting charged.

Clayface is essentially made of tar.

And as for Killer Croc...Batman: Arkham Asylum.

[Vine]

Hm, don't remember a whole lot of Clark saying "Bruce, please beat me to a pulp" in DKR.

Also, upper level sidekick? What crazy pills have you been taking?

DKR is not canon. DKR was also not a one on one fight; Green Arrow helped.

This ties into a larger question I always have when Batman gets brought up in a vs. thread. It's inevitably stated that Batman beats Superman regularly, but..no. No, he doesn't. In fact, nobody's ever been able to supply me with a single in-canon, regular DC Universe occassion on which Bats has won that particular fight. It may have happened in Elseworlds, but as far as evaluating the characters in question goes, citing Elseworlds is as relevant as citing JackAssterson's posts in this thread as evidence.

If anyone can, please do so? I obviously haven't read every single issue DC has ever published, and if such examples exist, I'd like to know about them so I can cease making a fool of myself on this particular point.

I'm of the camp that making him the Batgod is actually one of the worst things done to the character over his long and storied history. I much prefer the film and Animated Series Batman to the unmitigated fanwank that the character has received in comics the last decade. A capable and dangerous hero, one of the best, but if he stops being the World's Greatest Detective and becomes the invincible plot-armored PlanningMan, well...he's not much a Batman anymore.

On this particular question: Spider-Sense is the X factor here. Because even if we allow for "planning", whatever he's going to come up with is going to be foiled by precognitive danger sense that he does not know about. And yes, I stand by the assertation that he does not know about it; Spider-Man actively keeps it a secret, and even with observation I'm willing to wager it's difficult to tell if someone with 40x human reflexes knows about something before it's coming or just gets out of the way really fast.

[Stainawarjar]

Was this poll closed just because Batman was leading? ;)

[Dr. Z]

DKR is not canon. DKR was also not a one on one fight; Green Arrow helped.



If anyone can, please do so? I obviously haven't read every single issue DC has ever published, and if such examples exist, I'd like to know about them so I can cease making a fool of myself on this particular point.

.

Granted DKR was not canon, and GA helped Bat, but the police/national guard/whoever authority was there helping Supes too.

But as far as an example, Bats had to take down Supes in the Hush storyline after Poison Ivy controlled Supes. But even Ivy commented that Clark was holding back, even mind controlled he would not completely cut loose and kill.
Quote the Bat as he pulls out a kryptonite ring: "You don't go to Metropolis and NOT prepare for HIM." He picked the battlefield, lead lined tunnels to block the x-ray vision, pre planted explosive charges that he danced Clark right into, sonic plate slapped to his neck to throw his equilibrium, and enough tricks to keep Clark busy while Catwoman found Ivy.

Its a good read for that and much more. It took until the last issue for the Greatest Detective to really figure the score out, he was played like a pawn, went through almost his entire rogues gallery, and was outwitted on several occasions by someone with no more super powers than you or I. And he takes Supes to school, for which Clark thanks him.

Just for the record, if Superman 'would' cut loose there is no way for Batman to win, kryptonite or not. Superman is a good guy and fights fair (truth, Justice, American way and all that). Batman is a bad man who fights cheap and dirty to win (keeping Gotham safe, not free). Thats the only reason Batman even has a chance. Change those traits and he loses hard.

[cocopuffs32]

Poison Ivy? Given that she's a normal human female (plant stuff aside) sure.

Man-Bat can fly. He's not getting charged.

Clayface is essentially made of tar.

And as for Killer Croc...Batman: Arkham Asylum.

Im not going to put the brainy villians into this such as Poison Ivy,

Man-Bat or Vulture no diffrence in the flight!

If thats the arguement then batman charges at Spidey, spidey leaps 40ft in the air sticks to wall and has something wittey to say!

Poison Ivy blows a powder into spideys face making him fall in love with her Poison Ivy wins lol.

[Vine]

Granted DKR was not canon, and GA helped Bat, but the police/national guard/whoever authority was there helping Supes too.

But as far as an example, Bats had to take down Supes in the Hush storyline after Poison Ivy controlled Supes. But even Ivy commented that Clark was holding back, even mind controlled he would not completely cut loose and kill.
Quote the Bat as he pulls out a kryptonite ring: "You don't go to Metropolis and NOT prepare for HIM." He picked the battlefield, lead lined tunnels to block the x-ray vision, pre planted explosive charges that he danced Clark right into, sonic plate slapped to his neck to throw his equilibrium, and enough tricks to keep Clark busy while Catwoman found Ivy.

Its a good read for that and much more. It took until the last issue for the Greatest Detective to really figure the score out, he was played like a pawn, went through almost his entire rogues gallery, and was outwitted on several occasions by someone with no more super powers than you or I. And he takes Supes to school, for which Clark thanks him.

Just for the record, if Superman 'would' cut loose there is no way for Batman to win, kryptonite or not. Superman is a good guy and fights fair (truth, Justice, American way and all that). Batman is a bad man who fights cheap and dirty to win (keeping Gotham safe, not free). Thats the only reason Batman even has a chance. Change those traits and he loses hard.

I've read Hush. Not to be contentious, but Batman did not win that fight. He managed to NOT DIE until Catwoman broke the mind control. A fine feat against Superman, but far from a win.

[happyoptimistic88]

Who Would Win - Batman Vs. Spider-man

Yeah ths ones a doozy, remember this does not have to be a fight to the death just a simple knock out will work.

I know the fan boys are going to have a field day with this one, on both sides.

Please no bickering back and forth just state your winner and if you like, the reason why you feel they would win.

This is another close one for me Im going to think about it a little more before I vote.

Both are smart and are used to outsmarting their opponontes.
Both are used to taking on big badder opponents.
Bats has his gadgets, Spidey has his powers.

This one could easily go either way.

That's a tough one, I will say Batman.

[Dr. Z]

Hmm, I guess I'VE got to re-read Hush. Ah, fiddlesticks!

edit: Okay, just read that section. Definitely a 'conditional' victory for the Bat; the plan worked, Clark reverted to normal, but it was certainly not down the the KO. If Supes actually had a chance to get a hit in it would have been no contest (and a premature end to the series!).
My point was that Batman can always play Superman like a drum, get him to do exactly what he wants because he knows how he will react to certain things.
Bats tricked him, picked the battlefield to his advantage, lied to him to keep him from using heat vision, hit him with cheap shots, even threatened Lois' life to achieve his goal. No wonder Superman gave Bruce the Kryptonite Ring, because he knew that Batman is the only one who could pull off bringing him in if the need ever arose. Not because of powers, but because of tactics.

Art of War by Sun Tzu, if you can keep your opponent on the defensive, constantly reacting to what you do, you can control them; you OWN the fight. Take heed of that lesson next time you pick up the dice!

Either way, a good read, and a good debate!

[gawain]

Considering Spider-Man is about 50 times as strong and fast as Batman, all he needs is one good hook to Batman's jaw...and he can do it.

[XFORCE1982]

Spider-Man wins

[The BoyBlunder]

Granted DKR was not canon, and GA helped Bat, but the police/national guard/whoever authority was there helping Supes too.

But as far as an example, Bats had to take down Supes in the Hush storyline after Poison Ivy controlled Supes. But even Ivy commented that Clark was holding back, even mind controlled he would not completely cut loose and kill.
Quote the Bat as he pulls out a kryptonite ring: "You don't go to Metropolis and NOT prepare for HIM." He picked the battlefield, lead lined tunnels to block the x-ray vision, pre planted explosive charges that he danced Clark right into, sonic plate slapped to his neck to throw his equilibrium, and enough tricks to keep Clark busy while Catwoman found Ivy.

Its a good read for that and much more. It took until the last issue for the Greatest Detective to really figure the score out, he was played like a pawn, went through almost his entire rogues gallery, and was outwitted on several occasions by someone with no more super powers than you or I. And he takes Supes to school, for which Clark thanks him.

Just for the record, if Superman 'would' cut loose there is no way for Batman to win, kryptonite or not. Superman is a good guy and fights fair (truth, Justice, American way and all that). Batman is a bad man who fights cheap and dirty to win (keeping Gotham safe, not free). Thats the only reason Batman even has a chance. Change those traits and he loses hard.

Case and point, Max Lord mind controlled Superman into thinking that Doomsday had killed Lois. Superman then pulls out all the stops to put the beat down on Doomsday. Guess what? He just beat the every loving #### out of Batman, and put him in a coma.

[readyeddy?]

Case and point, Max Lord mind controlled Superman into thinking that Doomsday had killed Lois. Superman then pulls out all the stops to put the beat down on Doomsday. Guess what? He just beat the every loving #### out of Batman, and put him in a coma.

And that should have killed him; but once again, bad writing.

[DrugSex]

Hm, don't remember a whole lot of Clark saying "Bruce, please beat me to a pulp" in DKR.

Also, upper level sidekick? What crazy pills have you been taking?

DKR is not cannon. Is just a dream of Miller on pills.
About spidey, i think he's a scientist and all... but compare to Batman. Someone who has trained since he has 6 years... there's not much he can do. By the way, i said that about spidey cos he makes me in a Robin with powers or something like that. I mean, is fun and all, but i just will trust in him to protect my block.

[Grumpygoat]

And that should have killed him; but once again, bad writing.

Not really - Geoff Johns wrote it and even during the various fights, there were various things that made Superman believe he was powered down. Red-sun generating boxing gloves or something like that, various ways that Superman's mind was resisting the control and, in the process, toning down how hard he hit.

[GrimlockX]

DKR is not cannon. Is just a dream of Miller on pills.
About spidey, i think he's a scientist and all... but compare to Batman. Someone who has trained since he has 6 years... there's not much he can do. By the way, i said that about spidey cos he makes me in a Robin with powers or something like that. I mean, is fun and all, but i just will trust in him to protect my block.

Dude, Spider-Man has powers. Batman doesn't. It's sort of like saying you're average real-life martial artists can dodge a bullet fired from 5 feet. Spider-Man is faster than Bruce (magnified by his Spider-Sense) and is super strong. One good hit from Peter and it's over. I think you're really over-estimating Batman's ability to go toe to toe in a straight up fight with someone like that.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

I missed this one when it was open, I say Spidey. for the same reason Deathstoke beats Batman-- powers.

[cocopuffs32]

seems to me that a new poll is in order as this voting was stoped with batman in the lead lol.. after reading the last couple of pages sounds like to me spidey wins.

[XFORCE1982]

seems to me that a new poll is in order as this voting was stoped with batman in the lead lol.. after reading the last couple of pages sounds like to me spidey wins.

WOW you right, mostly everyone posting is giving the win to Spider-Man, but yet Bat Man got the most votes...doesn't add up..unless some loser bat fan with no life is hacking the site and giving batman the win, just like cap really won the other thread, but some vodoo magic has bat man as the winner for now..

[JackAssterson]

unless some loser bat fan with no life is hacking the site and giving batman the win

I think we can rest assured that someone is not hacking the site to give Batman the win. :rolleyes:

just like cap really won the other thread,

Nope. That poll is still open and Cap is still losing.

[DrugSex]

Dude, Spider-Man has powers. Batman doesn't. It's sort of like saying you're average real-life martial artists can dodge a bullet fired from 5 feet. Spider-Man is faster than Bruce (magnified by his Spider-Sense) and is super strong. One good hit from Peter and it's over. I think you're really over-estimating Batman's ability to go toe to toe in a straight up fight with someone like that.

And Batman's foes doesn't have any powers? I see Spidey receive blows from Morlum and survive, for an example. I know Spidey is fast too (fast enough to punch Daredevil even with his hypersenses), but as I say, Bruce has train, and in your bullet example, it's not just a bullet, is a man, pointing to the martial artist. The martial artist can't do anything to the bullet but he can agaisnt the shooter.

I'm not defending Batman, i not like the character since DK cos... Batman were awesome when he solves everything thinking and his gadgets. After DK, they make him like a mr. know-it-all-i'm-the-goddam-batman! I'm not over-estimating him at all. But like Superman, Spidey's weakness will be his good will. Batman will use any dirty trick to stop Spidey without shame.

[GrimlockX]

And Batman's foes doesn't have any powers? I see Spidey receive blows from Morlum and survive, for an example. I know Spidey is fast too (fast enough to punch Daredevil even with his hypersenses), but as I say, Bruce has train, and in your bullet example, it's not just a bullet, is a man, pointing to the martial artist. The martial artist can't do anything to the bullet but he can agaisnt the shooter.

I'm not defending Batman, i not like the character since DK cos... Batman were awesome when he solves everything thinking and his gadgets. After DK, they make him like a mr. know-it-all-i'm-the-goddam-batman! I'm not over-estimating him at all. But like Superman, Spidey's weakness will be his good will. Batman will use any dirty trick to stop Spidey without shame.

And Spidey will know the dirty trick is coming and avoid it due to the Spider-Sense. And no, if you shoot a martial artist at that close a range there's pretty much nothing they can do. They won't get past the bullet to the person shooting. Yeah, Batman has gone up against guys with powers (though most of his enemies don't have powers), but if you notice, he typically doesn't go toe-to-toe with them as he would in this fight. There he has time to plan for it and set traps, not so much here.

[XFORCE1982]

I think we can rest assured that someone is not hacking the site to give Batman the win. :rolleyes:



Nope. That poll is still open and Cap is still losing.

The Poll is not over yet as far as i am concern

[Grumpygoat]

Just as an aside, I generally think "Martial artist" is about as stupid a "power" as someone can have. "Martial arts" < "Gun." However, Batman actually uses body armor, instead of acting like a moron who thinks he can just casually dodge bullets.

[GrimlockX]

Just as an aside, I generally think "Martial artist" is about as stupid a "power" as someone can have. "Martial arts" < "Gun." However, Batman actually uses body armor, instead of acting like a moron who thinks he can just casually dodge bullets.

But the point isn't whether or not Batman could negate a gunshot (he obviously can and does). The point DS is trying to make is that "training" beats a power set like Spider-Man's. I seriously don't buy it.

[XFORCE1982]

Just as an aside, I generally think "Martial artist" is about as stupid a "power" as someone can have. "Martial arts" < "Gun." However, Batman actually uses body armor, instead of acting like a moron who thinks he can just casually dodge bullets.

He does have body armor, he just tries to dodge bullet cause it sucks to get shot

what body armor does he have, kelvar or titatium?

[qc_mohawks]

Spiderman has everything it would take to beatdown the Bat except the mental steadiness to follow through. Peter Parker is too much of a softy to take on someone as confident and skilled as Bruce Wayne who isn't afraid to fight dirty to win.

what a crock.....spidey deals with norman osborn on a regular basis......he also handed out beatdowns on juggernaut and firelord......batman is awesome, but wuld fall to spidey........his only chance would be to negate the spider-senses....unless that happens batman has no chance

major bunch of BS, spidey wins easily