Avengers Alpha - a set by Hawk1113 [Archive]

Hawk1113

05/02/2010, 00:48

A random thought that occurred to me while I was avoiding homework. Avengers Alpha would be a 40 figure set, using sculpts from older Marvel sets with a new dial and the Alpha ruleset. New powers/abilities include:

:d-normal: Barrier: - Enemies can't use Move and Attack on you.
:d-normal:Impervious: - All damage dealt to you is reduced to 1.
:m-wing: - Characters with this symbol have permanent Leap (they treat other characters and hindering terrain as if they weren't there) and they get +1 defense versus characters that don't have the :m-wing: or :g-giant: symbols who punch them.

:g-giant: - Characters with this symbol treat people up to two spaces away as if they were adjacent when they punch.

SET LIST:
Display Characters:
1. The Invincible Iron Man
2. The Armored Avenger
3. Captain America
4. The Captain

Commons:
1. S.H.I.E.L.D Trooper
2. A.I.M. Agent
3. Hydra Footsoldier
4. Hawkeye
5. Scarlet Witch
6. Wasp
7. Ant-man
8. Wonder Man
9. Quicksilver
10. Vision
11. Black Widow
12. Moon Knight
13. Black Panther
14. Taskmaster
15. Count Nefaria
16. Red Skull
17. Ms. Marvel
18. The Hood
19. Radioactive Man
20. Grey Gargoyle

Uncommons:
1. The Hulk
2. War Machine
3. M.O.D.O.K.
4. Baron Zemo
5. Winter Soldier
6. Giant-man
7. Spider-woman
8. Namor the Submariner
9. Baron Strucker
10. Hercules

Rares:
1. The Silver Centurion
2. Steve Rogers
3. Thor
4. Kang the Conqeror
5. Ultron
6. Loki
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Feel free to post dials, make comments, or suggest changes to the set list/new powers (or make suggestions for Battle Fury/Earthbound).

Hawk1113

05/02/2010, 00:50

# 1 The Invincible Iron Man
Team: Avengers
Sculpt: Armor Wars REV
Range: 8 :bolt:
Points: 80
Keywords: Avengers, Armor, Scientist
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Hawk1113

05/02/2010, 00:55

#2 The Armored Avenger
Team: Avengers
Sculpt: X-plosion REV
Range: 6 :bolt:
Points: 80
Keywords: Avengers, Armor, Scientist, Celebrity
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Hawk1113

05/02/2010, 01:09

#3 Captain America
Team: Avengers
Sculpt: Armor Wars REV
Range: None :bolt:
Points: 50
Keywords: Soldier, Avengers
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Hawk1113

05/02/2010, 01:15

#4 The Captain
Team: Avengers
Sculpt: Infinity Challenge REV
Range: 6 :bolt:
Points: 60
Keywords: Avengers, Soldier
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Hawk1113

05/02/2010, 01:44

Generics FTW!
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#5 S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent
Team: SHIELD
Sculpt: IC REV
Range: 6 :bolt:
Points: 20
Keywords: S.H.I.E.L.D.
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#6 A.I.M. Agent
Team: None
Sculpt: Clobbering Time REV
Range: 6 :bolt:
Points: 10
Keywords: A.I.M.
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#7 HYDRA Footsoldier
Team: Hydra
Sculpt: Infinity Challenge REV
Range: 6 :bolt:
Points: 20
Keywords: HYDRA, Spy
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Hawk1113

05/02/2010, 01:51

This guy is much better in Alpha than he is in regular clix, although still a marked improvement over the old REV...
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#8 Hawkeye
Team: Avengers
Sculpt: Clobbering Time REV
Range: 10 :bolt:
Points: 50
Keywords: Avengers, Martial Artist
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michiganj24

05/02/2010, 02:50

Ok I like most of the selections but what does Elektra/Titanium Man have anything to do with Avengers would those spots have been better for Say Kang and Hercules??

Hawk1113

05/02/2010, 07:18

Titanium Man because I wanted a hint of civil war/Iron Man-centric villains...but yeah, Kang is better. And I wanted a good ratio of heroes to villains, but Hercules for Elektra is probably a good trade. I'm also dropping one of the Hulks for Namor; thoughts?. Good calls, set list changed :). Thanks!

The dials are all obviously pretty boring, but what does everyone think of the Captain America dial? The point calculator says that if anything, I'm overcharging for him...but a 7 click beast with good stats, willpower, full-dial CCE, and some flurry seems awfully ridiculous at 40. Would you still play him at 50, though, with no damage reducers?

Hawk1113

05/02/2010, 07:29

#9 Scarlet Witch
Team: Avengers
Sculpt: Infinity Challenge REV
Range: 8 :bolt:
Points: 50
Keywords: Mystical, Avengers, Brotherhood of Mutants
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crimson_triangle

05/02/2010, 08:38

Finally A scarlet witch with psy-blast(magic) but why does she have mind control? She deserves ESD more than super senses.

crimson_triangle

05/02/2010, 08:43

#009 Scarlet Witch
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 8 :bolt:
Points: 50
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Hawk1113

05/03/2010, 01:44

I think I prefer your dial; I wanted a sort of "confusion" effect for Scarlet Witch, and the Alpha MC seemed to work best. I also liked the opportunity to give her a power that worked in Alpha, but would be a bit odd/unique in normal clix. Still, like I said, your dial is better for being a good, ranged PC machine with some teeth to it.

Changed the set list a bit more; wanted to add Ms. Marvel and a few more iconic villains, so I dropped Nick Fury (important, but not technically an Avenger, complaints?) and some of the B-string villains (Whirlwind, Klaw, Boomerang) to add Wonder Man, Ms. Marvel, Count Nefaria, and The Hood.

People I wish I could work in: Enchantress, Grim Reaper, Nick Fury, Falcon, Immortus. Suggestions on who to cut to make room?

Hawk1113

05/03/2010, 01:53

#10 Wasp
Team: Avengers
Sculpt: Infinity Challenge REV
Range: 4 :bolt:
Points: 40
Keywords: Avengers
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Hawk1113

05/03/2010, 01:58

# 11 Ant-man
Team: Avengers
Sculpt: Supernova REV
Range: 4 :bolt:
Points: 40
Keywords: Avengers, Scientist
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Hawk1113

05/03/2010, 02:11

#12 Wonder Man
Team: Masters of Evil
Sculpt: Mutant Mayhem Rookie
Range: None :bolt:
Points: 90
Keywords: Masters of Evil, Avengers
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Hawk1113

05/03/2010, 02:18

# 13 Quicksilver
Team: Avengers
Sculpt: IC REV
Range: None :bolt:
Points: 50
Keywords: Avengers, Brotherhood of Mutants
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Amora's_best_friend

05/03/2010, 08:30

I like them all so far, although I think Wonder Man is too good for 70 points. He'd be better costed at 80 or 90.

Hawk1113

05/03/2010, 19:53

Thanks! :)
Wonder Man is bumped up to 80; the point calculator I used had him at 74 I believe and I rounded down. In Alpha-clix especially though, his 8-click dial with excellent attack, damage, and speed alongside loads of good defensive powers make him a monster and probably worthy of being one of the most expensive figures in the set.

outbanks

05/03/2010, 19:56

I think Ant Man may be a little undercosted at 30, but I'm liking these as well. Keep up the great work

Hawk1113

05/03/2010, 20:01

#14 Vision
Team: Avengers
Sculpt: Supernova Rookie
Range: 6 :bolt:
Points: 90
Keywords: Robot, Avengers
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Amora's_best_friend

05/03/2010, 20:03

If you're going to include flight, you might as well include team abilities, and just say they have no effect in Alpha rules.

Hawk1113

05/03/2010, 20:09

#15 Black Widow
Team: Avengers
Sculpt: Clobbering Time REV
Range: 6 :bolt:
Points: 30
Keywords: Spy, Martial Artist, Avengers, S.H.I.E.L.D.
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Hawk1113

05/03/2010, 20:13

If you're going to include flight, you might as well include team abilities, and just say they have no effect in Alpha rules.
Do you really think so? My only concern is the somewhat inflated costs of figures in Alpha, at that rate. For example, at roughly 6 "points" the Avengers TA would require me to round most of the dials I have so far up 10 points (since I have to keep things at increments of 10). That means that either all the dials are going to be undercosted in regular clicks, or they are a little to a lot overcosted in both versions. Do you think having real TAs is worth it? What if, instead, we had this Alpha rule:

TEAMWORK: On the back of some dials is a symbol, such as <Avengers Team Ability>. Characters on your team get +1 attack if they are adjacent to a character with the same team symbol. Characters can only get a +1 to attack, regardless of how many teammates are adjacent to them.

That way, the TA does something in Alpha, while also giving everyone the TA they deserve. Oh, how I wish they'd done this with Batman Alpha...

outbanks

05/03/2010, 20:15

Oooo. I really like the Vision! Black Widow I like, but I think that may be the most undercosted of them all so far. She seems way too good for only 20. I'd say make her 30

Amora's_best_friend

05/03/2010, 20:18

I'd say keep them at their current prices and give them the Avengers TA.

Although, Black Widow would literally rule my world for 20 points if she were a real character.

Hawk1113

05/03/2010, 20:24

Oooo. I really like the Vision! Black Widow I like, but I think that may be the most undercosted of them all so far. She seems way too good for only 20. I'd say make her 30
Thanks! Yeah, I'm starting to doubt the point calculator I'm using. It's tricky too, as some powers are wildly different between versions (although most powers seem about the same in terms of value for effect, with maybe CCE/RCE being worth a little more in Alpha because you can use them while moving). However, several dials just seem outrageously undercosted. Black Widow, Hawkeye, the "fightin'" Captain America...and the 10 point generics are also pretty crazy. You get a pretty cheap stealthed firing squad with 4 of those A.I.M. Agents.

So I think I will just bump almost everyone up by 10 or so universally (depending on TA added and current cost), and add a TA to them. Maybe Alpha rules will get the above "Teamwork" thing, maybe not.

Amora's_best_friend

05/03/2010, 20:26

Some of the dials I think are fair for their points, like Vision, The Captain and the two Iron Men.

It's mostly the cheaper ones that are undercosted.

Hawk1113

05/03/2010, 20:36

Okay, added a TA to every dial thus far except for the AIM Agent (I like him at 10, and didn't want to make him an even better firing squad with HYDRA TA). The following characters went up 10 points:

#2 Armored Avenger
#3 Captain America
#5 SHIELD Agent
#8 Hawkeye
#11 Ant-man
#12 Wonder Man
#14 Vision (also got an upgrade to 6 range, up from 0)
#15 Black Widow

Do any of these seem way out of whack now? For about half of the guys that got bumped up, there was a collective comment of them being undercosted (Ant-man, Wonder Man, Black Widow); for the rest I felt they were undercosted especially with a TA. Thoughts?

And thanks again for the comments, folk. Much appreciated :)

Hawk1113

05/04/2010, 03:38

#16 Moon Knight
Team: Marvel - Avengers
Sculpt: Critical Mass REV
Range: 6 :bolt:
Points: 50
Keywords: Martial Artist, Mystical, Soldier, Avengers
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Hawk1113

05/04/2010, 03:43

#17 Black Panther
Team: Marvel - Spider-Man
Sculpt: Infinity Challenge REV
Range: None :bolt:
Points: 50
Keywords: Martial Artist, Ruler, Avengers
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Hawk1113

05/04/2010, 03:55

#18 Taskmaster
Team: Marvel - Minions of Doom
Sculpt: Avengers
Range: 6 :bolt:
Points: 70
Keywords: Martial Artist, Agency X, Thunderbolts, The Cabal
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Hawk1113

05/04/2010, 16:52

#19 Count Nefaria
Team: None
Sculpt: Mutant Mayhem U
Range: 10 :bolt:
Points: 100
Keywords: Lethal Legion, Maggia
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Hawk1113

05/04/2010, 17:08

#20 Red Skull
Team: Marvel - Hydra
Sculpt: Avengers
Range: 8 :bolt:
Points: 60
Keywords: HYDRA, AIM, Scientist, Soldier
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Hawk1113

05/05/2010, 01:34

#21 Ms. Marvel
Team: Marvel - Avengers
Sculpt: Critical Mass U
Range: 8 :bolt:
Points: 100
Keywords: Avengers, Soldier
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Hawk1113

05/05/2010, 01:39

Ms. Marvel "breaks the scales" at 110 points. I've been trying to keep this set really low cost. What do you guys think? Should I scale her back down under 100? Is she worth 110? Should I go back and "ratchet up" some of the other big guns (Nefaria, Wonder Man, Tony Stark)? I'm hoping 120-130 is the absolute cap, since it will be hard to do a Thor, Loki, and Ultron for less...but feel free to chime in.

Hawk1113

05/05/2010, 01:49

#22 The Hood
Team: None
Sculpt: Avengers
Range: 6 :bolt:
Points: 40
Keywords: The Cabal
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Hawk1113

05/05/2010, 02:04

#23 Radioactive Man
Team: Marvel - Masters of Evil
Sculpt: Sinister REV
Range: 8 :bolt:
Points: 70
Keywords: Masters of Evil, Scientist
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crimson_triangle

05/05/2010, 05:16

Re: Miss Marvel, in an alpha set I wouldn't give her hyper sonic or pysblast, but running shot and enery explosion or ranged combat. Or at the very least a slower hypersonic speed like 8.

Loving the dials.

Hawk1113

05/05/2010, 12:27

#24 Grey Gargoyle
Team: None
Sculpt: Secret Invasion
Range: None :bolt:
Points: 70
Keywords: Masters of Evil, Scientist
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Hawk1113

05/05/2010, 12:32

And that concludes the commons and "starter" display figures! Thanks for the comments on Ms. Marvel; she shed 10 points and lost her HSS and PsyBlast. That makes her no less deadly in Alpha terms, but substantially less effective in normal clix.

What does everyone think of Grey Gargoyle? He's a character I wasn't super familiar with, and that was made fairly recently, but that I knew a lot of people were terribly disappointed with. How do you think his new version holds up? 5 points less for a longer dial with better stats, but no free-action barrier, less incap, and most importantly no TA.

Hawk1113

05/05/2010, 12:46

#25 The Hulk
Team: None
Sculpt: X-plosion U
Range: None :bolt:
Points: 110
Keywords: Scientist, Brute, Avengers
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Amora's_best_friend

05/05/2010, 14:44

Hulk's attack is too high. He should level out at 10, and have a peak of 2 11s.

Hawk1113

05/06/2010, 23:39

#26 War Machine
Team: None
Sculpt: Armor Wars REV
Range: 8 :bolt:
Points: 70
Keywords: Soldier, Armor
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Hawk1113

05/06/2010, 23:41

Consider the Hulk fixed :)

Hawk1113

05/06/2010, 23:49

#27 M.O.D.O.K.
Team: Marvel - Hydra
Sculpt: Mutant Mayhem U
Range: 6 :bolt:
Points: 70
Keywords: AIM, Robot, Psychic
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Hawk1113

05/06/2010, 23:57

#28 Baron Zemo
Team: Marvel - Masters of Evil
Sculpt: Ultimates
Range: 6 :bolt:
Points: 70
Keywords: Masters of Evil, Martial Artist, Scientist,
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Hawk1113

05/11/2010, 19:26

#29 Winter Soldier
Team: None
Sculpt: Avengers SR
Range: 6 :bolt:
Points: 50
Keywords: Spy, Martial Artist, Soldier
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Hawk1113

05/11/2010, 19:35

#30 Giant-man
Team: Marvel - Avengers
Sculpt: Avengers Rare
Range: 4 :bolt:
Points: 80
Keywords: Avengers, Scientist
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Hawk1113

05/11/2010, 19:47

#31 Spider-woman
Team: Marvel - Avengers
Sculpt: Armor Wars U
Range: 6 :bolt:
Points: 80
Keywords: Hydra, Avengers, S.H.I.E.L.D., Heroes for Hire, Spy, Detective, Martial Artist
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Hawk1113

05/11/2010, 19:51

Spider-woman is a character who's incredibly important in modern story arcs, yet doesn't have a readily available dial that I feel does her justice. This is my attempt...what do you guys think? I wanted a Jessica that played a bit differently than her former incarnations, while also being a "must-have" piece for the set. I think, with her high mobility, great defense, and ability to bust open invulnerable on 8/9 clicks (technically all 9 if she incaps someone with an action token) that this is a success, but does it feel like Spider-woman with no Super Strength, no Pulse Wave, no Outwit, and no Super Senses?

Hawk1113

05/11/2010, 23:27

An undercosted dial, I think, but I fear he just doesn't stack up against his Secret Invasion brother very well even with being undercosted. Thoughts?
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#32 Namor the Sub-mariner
Team: None
Sculpt: Fantastic Forces REV
Range: None :bolt:
Points: 140
Keywords: Atlantis, Avengers, Defenders, Ruler, Warrior
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Hawk1113

05/12/2010, 03:09

# 33 Baron Strucker
Team: Marvel - Hydra
Sculpt: Sinister U
Range: 6 :bolt:
Points: 50
Keywords: Hydra, Soldier, Scientist, Past
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Hawk1113

05/12/2010, 03:21

Tricky to make a version of this guy that compares to his SI version, just like with Namor. Hopefully this cuts it though; he's awfully good at 100 points even, with plenty of mobility, wall-to-wall super strength, great stats, and good damage. The range is to represent how he can, occasionally, fight with a bow.
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#34 Hercules
Team: Marvel - Avengers
Sculpt: Infinity Challenge REV
Range: 6 :bolt:
Points: 100
Keywords: Avengers, Champions, Heroes for Hire, Deity, Warrior
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Hawk1113

05/12/2010, 03:35

The first rare, based off the most popular version of Iron Man we have so far...this stripped down version is an interesting option for a middle-of-the-road Tony and a potential Nova Blast piece.
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#35 The Silver Centurion
Team: Marvel - Avengers
Sculpt: Supernova NGN
Range: 8 :bolt:
Points: 120
Keywords: Avengers, S.H.I.E.L.D., Armor, Scientist, Celebrity
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