DC list???

[Manchine]

Ok from everyone there are.

083 Votes: Wonder Woman
076 Votes: Green Arrow
074 Votes: Martian Manhunter
056 Votes: Lex Luthor
047 Votes: Dr. Fate
045 Votes: Captain Marvel (Shazam)
042 Votes: Batgirl (Barbara Gordon), Lobo, Firestorm
039 Votes: Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner)
037 Votes: Poison Ivy
035 Votes: Azrael
033 Votes: Bizarro
030 Votes: Supergirl
029 Votes: Mr. Freeze

Now just like in Marvel Klix not all these guys will show up in the next DC grouping in July/AUgust. Who will be in this group who will be out?

In other words who will be complaining so and so is not in?

[Steve Shady]

i still wonder why another dc set is in the making. Only maybe those guys and a bit more are missing. Then thats it. There wont be enough for even a set.

[Manchine]

Oh boy so much for a nice thread!!

:(

[Joe Kerr]

As long as I get Ivy, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman, and Scarecrow and maybe Croc and Zsasz then I will be happy.

[daredevil11]

Wouldn't it be sweet if this was the set . . . ??? I disagree with the above post, you could make this list and still have enough great characters for 3 or 4 more sets. Oh, well, wishful thinking, I doubt we'd be so lucky to get all of these in the next one. A few points - what's with Bizarro getting votes, we already have him, he's on the Superman dial. I'm psyched that Barbara Gordon won out as Batgirl, no new Batgirl or Oracle, I hope WK takes note of that - they gave us dead Dove, so why not classic Batgirl? She appears to be the most popular.

my guess is, we might get half of these, the big question is who are the B list people - particularly the villains - lot of possibilities there. How about some Lex Corps mechs to go with baldy, that would be cool.

[scowlingone]

Originally posted by Steve Shady
i still wonder why another dc set is in the making. Only maybe those guys and a bit more are missing. Then thats it. There wont be enough for even a set.

On the off chance you're not kidding, DC has as many characters as Marvel -- or more.

[Manchine]

Actually DC has a little less characters but the difference is less then 500.

[scowlingone]

Originally posted by Manchine
Actually DC has a little less characters but the difference is less then 500.

I don't think that's true. DC's produced more total issues of comics than Marvel, not even counting the companies whose stables have been bought out (Charlton, Fawcett, etc.)

They could make more than a thousand figures based on characters from Legion of Super-Heroes alone.

And DC's (National's) output in the 40s and 50s was huge compared to that of Timely.

[RabidFanboy1]

If we got a new Wolverine, Spiderman, and Elektra in every Marvel set, do you think we'd get a new Superman, Batman, and/or Flash in a new DC Set? I wouldn't put it out of the question.

[Manchine]

Thats a good Question. Who will be the repeats here. Superman and Batman defiantly. Probable 1 more.
Joker maybe. Just think of the endless Jokers. LOL :D

[RabidFanboy1]

I would say a third repeat would be a female character but with Wonder Woman and Batgirl as possibilities in the next set, that may not be nessecary.

[esfoad]

Originally posted by daredevil11
I'm psyched that Barbara Gordon won out as Batgirl, no new Batgirl or Oracle, I hope WK takes note of that - they gave us dead Dove, so why not classic Batgirl? She appears to be the most popular.

I don't see why we can't see the classic Batgirl as a unique and the current Batgirl as the R/E/V.

[esfoad]

Originally posted by Manchine
Actually DC has a little less characters but the difference is less then 500.

Are you sure you're not thinking 'current book titles'?

[Gargantua]

Well at least we know Jon L. is working on it now!

I want the Martian Manhunter. There are others I'd like to see too, Wonder Woman and Batgirl among them. And Penguin.

Of the list posted above, I could do without Lobo (never did get into him) or Firestorm, Azrael, Supergirl, and Bizarro. But that's just personal preference. Doubtless they're someone else's favorites.

[Azrael0626]

As long as Azrael is n the new expansion I will be happy. He would make an awesome looking clix and I think he earned a spot after kicking Batman's @$$.
My main concern is that they increase their stats to keep it balanced with the Marvel expansions. They really got screwed in the attack and defense departmants in the first set.

[The Burt]

In my opinion, there are four real essentials out of your list.

1. Wonder Woman
2. Dr. Fate
3. Martian Manhunter
4. Shazam

The others would also be nice (the more the merrier, I always say). But I would be ecstatic if all four of these were in place for the next release. Dr. Fate should be Unique, however. What do you think?

[drdoomnic]

There are many more I would like to see:

Green Arrow
Dr. Mid-Nite
The Atom (current)
Guardian
Bloodwynd
Guy Gardner
Fire
Ice
Vandal Savage
Hath Set
Faith
The Spider
Cheetah
Black Canary
an improved Hawkman (with regen and higher av)
Hawkgirl
Northwind
Ra's Al Ghul
Two Face
...I won't go any further, but to say there is no need for a new set is preposterous!

[scowlingone]

Originally posted by The Burt
Dr. Fate should be Unique, however. What do you think?

Fate's had so many levels of power that, IMHO, he needs the REV treatment.

The Rookie version should be the version from his 90s comic book, where Fate was female for a time. This was pretty much the low ebb of his power.

The Experienced version should be the current incarnation of Fate as seen in the JSA.

The Veteran version should be the classic version which showed vast amounts of power all the way up until a few years after Crisis.

The less said about the "bounty hunter" fate with the knives, the better.

[secretwarrior]

dove isn't dead...she's alive in the current jsa issues

[PMMJ]

Originally posted by Manchine
Actually DC has a little less characters but the difference is less then 500.

What list are you using?

[Answerman]

First off love your posts, and works on this HC realms site:BUT;
DC comics has been in buisness since there's been comics.
And thats not hyperbole, the very inception of the comic book traces back to DC comics.
So having said all that lets look at 2 things:

1- dc's character stats book Whos WHo compared with the official handbook of the MArvel universe ran 24 issues compared to the OHOTMU's 12, not including tech manuals and update issues or issues of the dead etc.
Whos Who would often have 2 characters a page whereas the (2nd edition, the GOOD one) OHOTMU would often take 2-4 pages to cover a single character.
THere where only a small handfull of DC characters that got the 2 page treatment, BAtman, Superman, Wonder Woman, and of all things Starman (will payton).
So right there DC's in possesion of far more characters.

2- DC is in the possetion of at least 3 companies chatacters: Charleton, Wildstorm, and Fawcett which gives them such charcters as the Authority, Wildcats, the entire Marvel family, Captain Atom, Blue Beatle, ETc...
And with all those characters theres all thier bad guys .
In conclusion:
DC has WAYYYYYYYYYYYY more characters than MArvel, and go figure since they've been publishing comics since before the 1st Superhero's appearance in June of 1938.
The bottom line is this Just because you don't like characters like Sargent Rock, Anthro the cave boy, Balloon Buster, Batlash, jonah Hex, and the Silent Knight doen't mean that they aren't DC characters....just look at Crisis, and tell me again that DC has less characters...

[Manchine]

Well I guess this is going to turn to Marvel is better then DC. I tried to steer it away from that. Ignoring the post that are obviously wrong. I never said wyldstorm or whatever. I said DC. DC has less characters then Marvel. When you look at a company you dont say well thats microsoft. You say (insert company name). Everyone knows marvel is better. DC comic sales have slipped. Its not even worth discussing like adult so who cares. Tried to do something, which everyone ignored, with DC carp klix.

Oh well.

[TheLion]

:rolleyes:

[proditor]

Ignore all the companies other folk mentioned. DC on it's own has a vast vast stable. If Marvel did actually have more total characters, I'd be shocked. And honestly what it would say to me is that Marvel is flash in the pan, let's see who we can introduce as "Uber-kewl!" this month. Timely started in what, 62-63? DC has been around since 1938. Maybe we're just thinking of differing ideas when you say "characters"?

Consider the following...

Someone mentioned the Who's who books, and boy are those a good place to start. The average issue was 32 pages, and removing things like "Bizarro World" and "Batcave" we still average 30 characters an issue, for 24 issues.

Marvel's Handbook...well, I've got one of the compelations nearby so let's look...Okay, Issue one, Abomination to Batroc's Brigade, had 38 entries. Issue Two had 40 entries. So working off of this, and removing entries like "Adamantium" and "Attilan" we end up with roughly 36 characters an issue, and it ran 12 issues.

Neither of these include the masses of updates or books of the dead, just the "This is what we have" listings.

Final Math:

DC totals: Roughly 720 characters.

Marvel: Roughly 432 characters.

[Mjolnir]

I like some DC titles but theyhave a tendency to cancel the characters I read...maybe I like 2nd tier characters....maybe.
However, I do want a Question clix and a Shiva clix.

[The Red Raider]

How could anybody think DC could not get another set from what they have??? or two, or three??? Here's possibilities for characters, many of which I think we will see.

Wonder Woman
Martian Manhunter
Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner)
(these are musts simply to complete the JLA)
GL Hal Jordan
GL John Stewart
GL Guy Gardner
GL Kilowog
(Granted, these are repetitive... but so are four Elektra)
Black Canary
Green Arrow
Captain Marvel
Firestorm
Silver Banshee
The Atom
Hawkgirl
Zatanna
Dr Fate
Dr Mid-Nite
Phantom Stranger (would be a great unique)
Wildcat
Deathstroke
Kobra and Kobra agents
Mr Freeze
Creeper
Batgirl (Barbara)
Batgirl (cassandra)
Ra's al Ghul
Bizarro
lex Luthor
Tempest
Scarecrow
Penguin
Killer Croc
Spoiler
Azreal
Gangbuster
Troia
Cyborg (titans)
Cyborg-Superman
Raven
Starfire
lobo
Demon
Vigilante
Eclipso
Amazo
Geo-Force
Metamorpho
Mister Miracle
Black Lightning
THE ENTIRE LEGION OF SUPERHEROES COULD BE A SET THEMSELVES!
Wonder Girl
Impulse
Supergirl
Superboy
.... my gosh, I think I could list 3 sets right here.... there are all kinds of variations, too:
Batman with Yellow oval (could be a unique)
Black Canary with Fishnets
Robin in original outfit (also unique, or a #### Grayson version, which would cost a little more than current Tim Drake)
Azreal-Batman (another great unique)

and, if we truly wanted to take advantage of the "Hypertime" name, than there are golden age characters, elseworlds, etc.

Gosh, I could go on and on and on...

[The Red Raider]

..oh, and I think the "Who's better" argument is stupid. I'll admit, I am a die-hard DC fan, but it's a moot point, it's apples and oranges.

However, DC *Does* have more characters, even if you choose not to include Wildstorm, Vertigo, and the other imprint lines. In more recent years, the stable has been streamlined to spotlight more particulars, but DC has been in the business FAR FAR longer, and at one point was publishing twice as many books before tables were turned. And if you do not wish to include characters DC has "bought" (such as the Charlton line), than you had best discount the ones Marvel has bought, as well.

[scowlingone]

Heck, they've named something like 300 members of the Green Lantern Corps. Then you've got:

- The Power Company
- The Outsiders
- about 50 members of the Titans
- about 100 members of the Legion
- The Wanderers
- The Substitute Legion
- Seven Soldiers of Victory
- The Freedom Fighters
- Sovereign Seven
- All-Star Squadron
- The Marvel Family
- all those Kingdom Come characters
- Superboy's team, the Ravers
- The New Blood
- Young Justice
- about 50 members of the JLA
- The Metal Men
- The Omega Men

And those are just teams that have had their own books, directly or indirectly, and I'm sure to have missed some.

And that's not counting all of the villains.

I'd be surprised if Marvel had even half the characters that DC could draw upon.

[VandalSavage]

First Off....I love BOTH Marvel and DC!! There are facts in every situation and there are opinions. It is a person's Opinion which is the better company at any given time...But I have read them both for over 20 years and for anyone to state that Marvel has more characters than DC simply is wrong. You could argue about which company the general public relates to or can name off the top of their heads, but the Fact of the matter is DC has Way More characters....DC could Easily make two more 96 member sets without digging any deeper in the pool than Marvel had to, to get their 3 sets. MY Opinion is KEEP THE GREAT CLIXS COMING!!!

Mr. Savage

[Gargantua]

The Who's Who/Marvel Handbook is a pretty silly argument. Marvel's Handbook while it may have fewer character entries than DC is not by any means complete. There are dozens if not hundreds of minor characters that don't have entries. And even if there are more DC entries for characters, so many of them are so far out of the mainstream that they would never be appropriate for Heroclix - many of their Western/sci-fi/detective characters are included.

The point really is moot. Both universes have incredibly rich casts of thousands of characters. The guy who stated that DC didn't have enough characters for another expansion either spoke from ignorance or was just rabidly anti-DC and using hyperbole.

[Answerman]

Manchine my man, I'm not getting all hot under the collar I'm just explaining the simple facts of DC's publishing history.
they have an additional near 30 years over Marvel, and that simply amounts to way more characters.
AS well they've added many other companies charcters to their "DCU" like the fawcett characters (captain Marvel), and the CHarleton characters (Captain Atom Beetle etc) , but you ARE right...wildstorm doesn't really count as "DC characters"

NOW...DC does not suck, if there was no DC comics Marvel wouldn't exist!
THe inception of Marvel was a response from timely comics to the silver age DC sucessess, ala the silver age JLA.
Marvels great love thier characters, buy lots of thier comics, DC's great, Image puts out great stuff, as does Dark Horse blah blah blah...
Why get all funky over one comic company?
IT's not military service people....

[bizzaro]

Man I love this site. What started as a harmless inquiry for what characters people wanted in the next DC set turned into an arguement over which universe has more characters. Are counting the pre crisis Earth-2 and Earth-3? Oh ...does Age of Apocalypse characters count too? Plus you have alien races, variants from alternate timelines and who knows what else. Yeessh. C'mon ... no one here REALLY has an idea of a total number of characters in either universe. That is unless someone actually meant current titles ... which I don't think is a good comparision at all.

Originally posted by Gargantua
Of the list posted above, I could do without Lobo (never did get into him) or Firestorm, Azrael, Supergirl, and Bizarro. But that's just personal preference. Doubtless they're someone else's favorites.

We need bizzaro!

Originally posted by The Red Raider

Black Canary with Fishnets


I like it ... good idea ... I hope she finds her way into one of the next DC sets.

[daredevil11]

Originally posted by secretwarrior
dove isn't dead...she's alive in the current jsa issues

Uh, yes she is, at least the version done in Hypertime is dead - - , she was produced with Hawk(also no longer around - not as Hawk atleast) and her vet has a Titans team symbol, not a JSA logo, so unless she's appeared in that recently . . . she's dead - atleast the version we have is.

I knew she made a cameo in 2000 in the JSA, where she likewise died, but I did not know she had come back yet again, so thanks for bringing me up to date.

Anyway the whole point of that line in my post was that WK has chosen to make characters no longer around or completely changed in their current forms, Dove is just one example - I'm just hoping that if and when they get to Batgirl, they go with the most popular version in comic history, Barbara Gordon. They could always do the Oracle thing as a unique, the new one, I think the jury is still out on her and how long she'll be around.

[DTM]

Hope they redo Superman in the next DC set. This time actually giving him some decent Damage. Sheesh.....I must have looked at how many Rookies who can do 3 Damage, even for 1 click, but the worldest most popular and one of the most powerful comic characters EVER cant. Mr Hyde, Solomon Grundy, Heck, even Aquaman, Bane and Batman Rookies can do 3 damage, but our Man of Steel cant. And why, cause hes pulling his punches??? Dont make me laugh. And his Exp and Vet needs some 4 Damage, especially since such lower level powerhouses as Jen and Ben have it. Superman Reborn......least I hope he is.

[bizarrome]

Dove appeared in the last issue of JSA and she is still alive. It is all a plot connected with Dr. Fate set in motion by Mordru...

[Brigadier M]

Originally posted by drdoomnic
There are many more I would like to see:

...
Vandal Savage...


I thought of him the other day when I was making a list in my head of characters they could do in upcoming sets. I don't know much about him though. Anybody enlighten me as to what sorts of powers or stats they might give him? Would outwit be appropriate? I know he's been around a LOOOONG time, and everyone in the first DC set got it;)

M!

[LuckyJ]

I would really like to see the dudes from "reign of the Supermen." We've already got Steel, so we'd need an Eradicator, Cyborg, Superboy, and we also have Superman reborn (the unique one).

I'd also like to see a Mxyzptlk (or however you spell it). He could have a mega-high defense with perplex, outwit, and supersenses (representing his ability to avoid every attack).

I want a Killer Frost. She'd make a wonderful click! Barrier, RCE, Mind Control (she has mind controlled Superman in the past), Incapacitate, and flight. Maybe even poison to represent how she sucks the heat/energy from everything near her.

I've heard a rumor that the Electric Superman is a unique in the next set. I think that will be pretty cool.

I'd certainly love a wonder woman, but I don't see how they could ever make her a better click than Veteran She-hulk. Well...if they made her fly then she would be better, but I'm prepared to be disappointed.

I'm a huge marvel fan, and I'm conceding that DC has far more characters. Some of them are just extremely retarded, but there's way more than plenty of good characters to fill set after set after set. And if the DC clix quality is as great as Hypertime, I couldn't care less if I recognize the characters.

Just my opinions...

[hornhead]

Manchine my man, I'm not getting all hot under the collar I'm just explaining the simple facts of DC's publishing history. they have an additional near 30 years over Marvel, and that simply amounts to way more characters.

The first Marvel comic was Marvel Comics #1, dated 1939. They didn't take on the name "Marvel Comics" until the early 60's. Until they changed their name to Marvel Comics, they published under "Atlas" and "Timely".

[FanBoy13]

hornhead: true, but what pre-1961 Marvel/Atlas/Timely characters are actually used to this day?

- Human Torch (sorta - the 1940s Torch was an Android)
- Captain America
- Namor
- Red Skull

That's about it. So in terms of the Marvel family of characters, for all intents and purposes, Marvel can really only go back as far as 1961.

Also, Manchine: The simple fact is that your posts are not intelligent, and barely readable.

[hornhead]

The first Marvel comic was Marvel Comics #1, dated 1939. They didn't take on the name "Marvel Comics" until the early 60's. Until they changed their name to Marvel Comics, they published under "Atlas" and "Timely".I was merely stating a fact. My point was that Marvel has been around for a long time. Many people don't realize that Sub-Mariner and Batman debuted in the same year.

Back to the subject of characters ... It doesn't matter how many total characters each company has (Marvel's Annual report to stockholders claims 47,000 proprietary characters - that's probably 46,500 characters I don't want to see "clix" of). What matters is how many "recognizable" characters each company has to include in upcoming sets - and make it sell.

Personally, I'm hoping Wizkids can get many more DC and Marvel expansions out before their respective liscenses with those companies expire ... cause you know some big-wig in the corporate office (Warner Bros. or Marvel) is going to get the brillant idea (since HC sells so well) that they can do a miniature-based game better, and cut out the middle man (meaning Wizkids).

[Kid Zero]

All of the Manhunters, but especially Mark Shaw, and the guy with Thor the dog, with a separate dog.
The Metal Men
Any members of the Suicide Squad
The Challengers of the Unknown
The Blackhawks
the Peacemaker
Deathstroke the Terminator
Tommy Tomorrow
and OMAC
The Hybrid
and numerous others that don't come to mind at the moment

[Hatut Zeraze]

I don't just like this game, I like the way in which the sculpted characters look. Some characters, who may be relatively dull in the comics, could make great heroclix characters, because of either their interesting abilities or the way they would look sculpted on a base. In that vein, I propose 3 DC villians who might not be obvious choices, but would sure look great:

1.) Mirror Master - could possibly be holding some cheap reflective material in the sculpture. Could perplex be more appropriate anywhere?

2.) Shadow Thief - Sculpt this guy in a "2-D" shadow form and you've got a very unique figure, unlike any from Marvel or DC.

3.) Kite-Man - I know I might be losing some of you here, but bear with me. He's a silly villian, and his abilities would be boring, but every set does need a few low-level guys, and think of how cool a hang-gliding Heroclix would look.

These villians may seem silly to some (and even "retarded" according to some Marvel zombies), but I would MUCH, MUCH rather see figures like these than yawners like Controller and Avalanche, who must be prime examples of the "recognizable characters" that Marvel has and DC does not.

[okiedokie]

SHAGGY MAN!!!!

[Spookythecat]

Originally posted by FanBoy13
hornhead: true, but what pre-1961 Marvel/Atlas/Timely characters are actually used to this day?

- Human Torch (sorta - the 1940s Torch was an Android)
- Captain America
- Namor
- Red Skull

That's about it. So in terms of the Marvel family of characters, for all intents and purposes, Marvel can really only go back as far as 1961.

Also, Manchine: The simple fact is that your posts are not intelligent, and barely readable.

BUT... The fact that a large portion of the Timely characters aren't currently in use doesn't mean they don't exist in the Marvel Universe.

Well, most of them are dead. But they're the same continuity.

Except Blue Diamond. Who's hoping they make a Blue Diamond in 'clix!?

*Raises hand*

... Anyone?

... Anyone?

You all suck.

ANYWAY, Roy Thomas Invaders series of the seventies made it clear that the Timely characters and their moden counterparts all exist in the same metaphysical world. Heck, there was even a Marvel-Two-In-One Annual where the Thing went back in time and met with a bunch of these old-school Timely heroes. (Including Blue Diamond. YAY BLUE DIAMOND!)

Granted, these aren't hugely marketable characters, but they Do "count" continuity-wise.

That said, I agree that (A) DC/National Periodical Publications has more characters under it's copyright than DC/Timely. The Marvel stable was barely holding on all through the fifties, publishing an average of about eight titles at a time. They've gotten closer since than, but If I am not mistaken, the only times in it's history that Marvel has published more titles than DC were during the early seventies and early nineties... Two short periods of expansion followed by massive cut-backs. This isn't absolute proof of "More Characters" mind you, but considering that both the Green Lantern Corps and the Legion of Superheroes are published by DC, I'm going to have to see some hard factual data before I agree to the contrary.

Also note that Charleton, Fawcett, and whoever the hell published Plastic Man originally are *not* imprints like Wildstorm.

They were completely seperate companies, who went out of buisiness, and their stable of characters was purchased by DC, and integrated into the DC universe. Charleton characters include Blue Beetle, Captain Atom and the Question, all of whom have had regular series' in the last fifteen years or so. Fawcett was the original publisher of the Real Captain Marvel (Shazam), and whoever the hell published Plastic Man (Police comics? I forget.) gave us Plastic Man and Blackhawks.

On the other hand, I do agree that Marvel has more widely marketable characters. The runaway sucsess of the X-men and, before them, the Fantastic Four leave Marvel with a much larger number of character recognizable to the casual comics fan than DC.

[bizarrome]

I think you idea about the reflective piece in a Mirrior Master sculpt is brilliant. I agree he should be done. But he is a mainstream Flash villain so he has potential to be done. (I have hoped so since the beginning.)

The Shadow Thief is a great golden age Flash villain and your sculpt idea is trully awesome.. What would be even better is to have his body 2-D and his face and maybe one hand 3-D to look as if he is coming out of his shadow form. What do you think??

I think Kite Man is going a bit far though. I would love to see so many other villains and heros done that he would be a waste to most. The sculpt would look cool, but the game has several cheap taxis' already.

Again, I want to see:

The Guardian
The Silver Age Aquaman
Aqualad
The Red Tornado (Android)
Brainiac (The Original)
Neutron
Brother Blood
Speedy
Killer Moth
The Cavalier
Prof. Zoom (The Reverse Flash)
The Trickster
The Fiddlier
The Icicle

[daredevil11]

Originally posted by bizarrome
Dove appeared in the last issue of JSA and she is still alive. It is all a plot connected with Dr. Fate set in motion by Mordru...

So you're suggesting that the last issue of JSA was the inspiration for the Dove produced in Hypertime . . . I give, whatever . . . . cameos of dove have little to do with my point. Actually Barbara Gordon has made a number of cameo appearences as well, I havn't bothered to mention them because they don't constitute anything that would significantly verify that she is an active heroine in the DC universe. In fact most people accept the generalization that she is gone as we knew her, just as Dove is. GEEEZ, like I said, I give . . . you guys have fun, I'm oughta here, between the DC vs Marvel argument and the trivia buffs, this thread is a bit sour for me.

[Gargantua]

I thought of him the other day when I was making a list in my head of characters they could do in upcoming sets. I don't know much about him though. Anybody enlighten me as to what sorts of powers or stats they might give him? Would outwit be appropriate? I know he's been around a LOOOONG time, and everyone in the first DC set got it

His big thing is he doesn't die. He's a Cro-Magnon, he's been around about a million+ years. So a really deep dial and Regeneration would be appropriate. Otherwise he's basically normal, powerwise. Maybe a bit of toughness at first to give him real staying power. On the other hand he's had millenia to hone his combat skills, so high attack and defense values and some CCE would be called for. Outwit? Maybe. He's been portrayed a number of different ways, sometimes a fairly crafty planner, so maybe, but probably not.

[bizarrome]

So you're suggesting that the last issue of JSA was the inspiration for the Dove produced in Hypertime . . . I give, whatever . . . . cameos of dove have little to do with my point.

She is the center of the current plot line... Why do people always go off with attitudes because they don't know what they are talking about?? It never ceases to amaze me that people think that just because a character died in a story a while back that any new appearance is a cameo or flashback. Anyone ever hear of Jean Grey? Thanos? or even Superman? For Crying out load outside a few characters like Bucky (Captain America's partner), Captain Mar-Vel, Robin (Jason Todd), or the Spirit of 76 or the Patriot very few characters have ever stayed dead...

Besides, I for one would like to see a few of the above deceased figures made....

[Spookythecat]

Originally posted by FanBoy13

Also, Manchine: The simple fact is that your posts are not intelligent, and barely readable.

And, oh yeah, Two more Points:

(A) Complaining about someone's grammar is the last refuge of the unenlightened. Don't be a dork.

And (B) Anyone who can't come up with a better insult than "Unintelligent" shouldn't even be *on* the internet.

[Hatut Zeraze]

Hey Bizzarome, I loved your list. Two you mentioned that I have been fervently hoping for are the silver age Aquaman and the Fiddler. Speaking of old JSA enemies, did you read the later issues of the Starman series? They did some very weird and very cool stuff with Rag Doll that no other comic has picked up on. I'd love to see him as a clix. This new version would have to have Mastermind as well as whatever else you might expect.

[bizarrome]

Sorry Hatut Zeraze, but I haven't read them. I am a big fan of the old JSA (Pre-Crisis) and I really didn't like the new Starman just the golden age version, and I only began reading the cureent JSA title arounf issue seventeen. But if you want a Rag Doll fig, I hope they make one for you. Me I would like to see an Ultra-HUmite Set of Uniques that portrayed him in his different forms and power levels.

The Golden Age Atom and a Johnny Thunder with T-Bolt would be good.

I also would like to seeing a figure of SHAZAM. I don't mean Capt. Marvel, I mean the old wizard. He was very active in the last series "The Power of SHAZAM!". He could have ranged combat for his lightning bolts (Three because he has changed Billy, Freddie, and Mary at the same time). A flight base, and other powers that would appear to be magical. Any ideas on what those could be??

[The Burt]

Go away form of man and enter Demon Etrigan! (or something like that).

The Demon, dudes and dudettes! That's the one character that we haven't touched upon yet. And one of the coolest characters you could pull. If you field him, however, WK should make up the rule that you have to speak in rhymes when he takes an action.

I guess, I'll just have to Pass cause I can't with both hands grab my @@@.

[Spookythecat]

A Demon would be very cool... So would a Jason Blood. They could even be arch-enemies... :)

[bizarrome]

I had said that I only liked the golden age Starman. Well I also liked the Will Payton Starman. However I haven't read any of his series after they changed his costume. Just to be percise.

I personally don't care for the Demon character but I know there are a lot who do. To me he would be a waste but to many of you, he would be a great addition. Tell you what If WK will make a SILVER AGE Aquaman and a Hal Jordon as GREEN LANTERN! Then I would have no complaints about Azreal or the Demon fig for you all. I think that is a fair trade... Don't you??

[Wamor]

Batman and Superman are definates as they are slated to be in every DC set. Hopefully these will be the only 2 we see in every set so we can get some fresh and new characters in every set. My question is if they make a Lex Luthor are they gonna make him AE of Superman. I'd think they'd almost have to. They state in the rules that characters may have more than one AE so hopefully we'll start to see some of that in the upcoming sets.

[bizarrome]

Wamor, I think you are 100% correct. I would like to see Luthor in his purple and green jumpsuit, but I think the purple and green battle armor is probably more likely and more playable in this game. But Luthor, General Zod, and the kryptonite Man should all be made first off and all should have the Superman AE because it is all very personnel for them.

Luthor - Blames Superman for the loss of his hair and his poor childhood and growing up years.

Zod - Wants revenge for Jor-el imprisioning him in the phantom zone and Kal-el is his son.

Kryptonite Man - Wants revenge for the life he coulda had but was changed because of the Kryptonite/Superman situation.

I also wish they would do Bizarro, Neutron, the Toyman (the tall skinny jester masked version, not the short goofy version), and a silver or even a bronze age brainiac (Both would be nice). Not as AE's off course just some good villains I would like to see.

I heard that the Green Goblin is going to be a Spidey AE in the new X-plosion set. If so then Spidey will have more than one AE. Hob-goblin and Green Goblin.

[zapdos]

I'v seen alot of post that say Wonder Woman is in the marvel set that come's out after xplosion. Dose no one remember that she is a d.c. person.

[Billy Jack]

Actually, I got a feeling that martian manhunter will be left out. *ducks* I love the character but I have a feeling that DC won't give us all the JLA big guns in one expansion set. Look at how long it took us to get thor and shell head.

[bizarrome]

I would like to see some Teen Titans figs like Aqualad and Tempset, Wondergirl and Troia (I like the new costume, but I think she sould still be called Wonder Girl) Speedy, (I don't like arsenal at all). These could be one REV set and the other uniques. I think the old versions would be better as REV's but I wouldn't care either way.

I also hope we see Starfire, Raven, and Cyborg, Even Jericho would be good for mind control. But what I really want is a silver age KID FLASH and a Silver age Aquaman and a Silver Age Green Lantern (Hal Jordan). These three alone would make my day, but there are zillions of figs from DC I would like to add to my set.

Also, I think Billy Jack was right, I don't think we will see Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter in the same set. I could be wrong about this (and I hope I am), After all DC is handeling their sets a lot different than Marvel.

[Gargantua]

I personally don't care for the Demon character but I know there are a lot who do. To me he would be a waste but to many of you, he would be a great addition. Tell you what If WK will make a SILVER AGE Aquaman and a Hal Jordon as GREEN LANTERN! Then I would have no complaints about Azreal or the Demon fig for you all. I think that is a fair trade... Don't you??

Well, that's right open-minded of you, Bizarrome. Honestly, everyone's just got to accept that you probably won't be 100% happy with all the figures in a set. Personally, I could have done quite nicely without Weather Wizard, but I don't complain because doubtless, he's someone else's favorite villain. There'll probably be a few characters in Cosmic Justice I won't be thrilled with, but you have to take the good with the bad. Personally I'm just so anxious to even get a new DC set, I won't care much if G'nort, Calendar Man and Infectious Lass are in there.

Over at Marvel, they're seeing a lot of fan backlash about the duplicate characters, so like Wamor I hope that Bats & Supes will be the only dupes they do. I also don't expect them to go too overboard with the arch-enemies thing. I can see them doing Luthor as a 2nd AE to Superman, but if they make Zod & Kryptonite-Man, I doubt they'll get AE status. Sure, they may hate him, but they're just not on the same level as Luthor. Honestly, I'd say neither was Doomsday, but I suppose when you kill a guy, that's a good reason to be declared his AE.

And I'll wait as long as it takes for J'onn J'onnz

[D. Byers]

HEY,

Let me,once again, state my case for a Jesse Custer heroclix. Make him a Unique, give him Mind Control and CCE. Give him a 10 or so attack value, seeing as how he rarely fails to control someone or beat the tar out of them. Finally, give him a clix or two of Outwit to simulate the time he whupped Cassidy the vampire. Tulip, Cassidy and The Saint of Killers would all make doable characters. Starr would be a good one. Finally, the Grail soldiers would be a good DC equivalent ofthe Shield troops.

[bizarrome]

Well, that's right open-minded of you, Bizarrome. Honestly, everyone's just got to accept that you probably won't be 100% happy with all the figures in a set. Personally, I could have done quite nicely without Weather Wizard, but I don't complain because doubtless, he's someone else's favorite villain. There'll probably be a few characters in Cosmic Justice I won't be thrilled with, but you have to take the good with the bad. Personally I'm just so anxious to even get a new DC set, I won't care much if G'nort, Calendar Man and Infectious Lass are in there.

I want others to get what they want as much as I want to get the ones I want. I do not like the current version of Aquaman at all and I would like to see a Silver Age Aquaman very much, so if they do him as a duplicate that is fine by me. And it will be kinda hard not to do Green Lanterns as future set dups. I think they are going to do the electrified Superman as the one in the new set, so he will be quite different anyway. Who knows the new Batman could be the one from Batman Beyond, his abilities would be different.

Over at Marvel, they're seeing a lot of fan backlash about the duplicate characters, so like Wamor I hope that Bats & Supes will be the only dupes they do. I also don't expect them to go too overboard with the arch-enemies thing. I can see them doing Luthor as a 2nd AE to Superman, but if they make Zod & Kryptonite-Man, I doubt they'll get AE status. Sure, they may hate him, but they're just not on the same level as Luthor. Honestly, I'd say neither was Doomsday, but I suppose when you kill a guy, that's a good reason to be declared his AE.

I don't think Doomsday deserves AE either, and I doubt that Kryptonite Man would get AE, it was just my opinion. However Luthor I think we can all agree deserves it, and General Zod I would bet you could find as many people that say he should have it as would say he shouldn't so again this is just my opinion but I think many would agree with this one.

I anxiously await them even if they have AE or not. And with the same anxiousness I await Wonder Woman, Green Lantern (Hal Jordan), Martian Manhunter, the Silver Age Supergirl and Batgirl, Green Arrow, Black Canary, etc. etc. etc.....

I think there are a lot of dups that DC could do. Silver Age Supergirl/Current Supergirl, Silver Age Batgirl/Current Batgirl/Golden Age Batgirl, Golden Age Atom/Silver Age Atom, Golden Age Starman/Bronze Age Starman/Current Starman, Golden Age Dr. Midnight/Current Dr. Midnight, Golden Age Hourman/Current Hourman, again etc. etc. etc...

The big difference between Marvel and DC is DC has many versions of the same character. I for one would love to see a Golden Age Superman even if he is similar to the current one. And I think others would love to see their favorite versions of the Spectre, Superboy (Silver Age Version for me of Course), Green Arrow (I like both the Silver and Golden Age Versions), etc. etc. etc...

I just want DC to satisfy my wants List sooner than yestrday, just as you all do....

THIS WAITING IS DRIVING MY CRAZY!!!!!

Besides my Black Manta fig doesn't have anyone to mix it up with.....

[]V[GoldEagle]

I can't recall who they were, but back in the early issues of the JLA series, there were evil versions of all 7 members of the team. So to balance out the JLA, you could always do those characters, and make a set from that...Have all the JLA as R/E/V, and the clones (I think they were that) and have the dopplegangers as R/E/V as well.

Oh, and since we have a Comish Gordon U, why not a Lois Lane, Alfred and Jimmy Olsen U as well?? Alfred could have perplex, since he is a master of disguise, and Jimmy could get something similar to perplex, due to snapping a picture and the flash blinding someone...and Lois..uhmm...to distract Supes with some low cut top??? Dunno, just a thought to have her *shrugs*

[bizarrome]

I think you are referring to the Crime Syndicate of earth-3 (Pre-Crisis). There is also a current mirror universe version of these villains (Post-Crisis). They are:

Ultra Man - Superman
Owl Man - Batman
Super Woman - Wonder Woman
Johnny Quick - The Flash
Power Ring - Green Lantern

The names are the same for both Pre & Post-Crisis. I know these were the only ones in the Pre-Crisis, and I don't remember there being any others in the current version. I too would love to see them.

As for an Alfred fig or others. I would like to see a fig too. But he would have to have something to make him useful as would Jimmy and/or any others. They could do a Clark Kent fig ala the Logan fig they did. And maybe a Bruce Wayne as Matches Malone. These could be interesting to see and/or own. Good idea. I had been thinking about it, but couldn't see how to make them work.

[webhead817]

Actually, I think GoldEagle is talking about the Injustice Gang's hard light hologram version of the Justice League. They looked just like the JLA, but where made out of like a purple light material, and had skulls in place of their logos. They would make cool uniques if they were made like the Solonavi or Green Lantern le.

[bizarrome]

Sounds almost exactly like the Superman and Batman revenge squads from the seventies...

[Brigadier M]

If the hard-light holograms from the current run of JLA are the ones being discussed (collected, I think, in the TPB Rock of Ages), Luthor even refers to them as the Revenge Squad.

Also, regarding Doomsday,
Originally posted by Gargantua
Honestly, I'd say neither was Doomsday, but I suppose when you kill a guy, that's a good reason to be declared his AE.
I couldn't have said it better myself!

M!

[Mayberry Bat]

bizarrome, I like your Clark Kent & Matches Malone ideas. I hadn't thought about them. I think they might be possible. Take some of their attack powers off as not to let anyone know who they really are. Keep their defenses pretty much the same, take willpower off of Bats, or at least some. Give him some mastermind, since he's in the mob arena when he's in that persona. It could be possible. The more I think of it the more I want to work up a couple of dials for them. If I get 'em done I'll post them.

[Zappafrank]

Originally posted by Brigadier M
If the hard-light holograms from the current run of JLA are the ones being discussed (collected, I think, in the TPB Rock of Ages), Luthor even refers to them as the Revenge Squad.

That's right. I went through my TPB collection looking for that team late last night.

But if I were in charge, I wouldn't put them in a regular set. I would have the Revenge Squad sold seperately in a set of seven LE figures, which you could get through the mail or something. I originally debated a set of 21 figures, having R/E/V versions of each Revenge Squad member. Then, I decided seven would do nicely, unless the 21 figure set floats your boat. Besides, we'd have to wait until the regular Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and Martian Manhunter figures get issued to start considering a Revenge Squad special order set.

But what would we name the Revenge Squad members anyway; things like "RS Superman" or "RS Batman"?

-Ben

[bizarrome]

Sounds good to me Brigadier M...

Mayberry Bat I like your thoughts on the Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne figs... I look forward to seeing a workup of them if you post it. Hey another good one could be Detective John Jones (Martian Manhunter).

[]V[GoldEagle]

Thanks for pointing out the ones I meant there Webhead, it's been awhile since I read the issues, and they are kinda hard to get to to just find the names.

The Clark and Bruce idea's are great too. I hadn't even thought of those ones, and they would actually make a great pairing. You could have a scenerio where Bruce as Matches has to infiltrate a mob hideout, get some info back, and then bring in the rest of the Bat-Family to take it out....I like, and since we all are pretty sure that Supes and Bats are going to be in all sets, as the main characters out there, that would be a good way to keep them from getting stale. Good idea's guys, too bad that you don't work for WizKids!!

[Kid Zero]

I would like to see some version of LE sets similar to the Conquest set in Mage Knight. It seems a natural to me that some characters lend themselves to such a format, especially, characters that haven't, substantially, changed in their career, like the Seven Soldiers of Victory or the Green Lantern Corps, not including various Terran ones, who have changed. Other sets could be a snapshot of a group at a specific time frame, like the Original X Men or the Original Doom Patrol. This would spill over very well into Indyclix, as a lot of Independent comic characters haven't been around to change substantially at all. (My favorites would be Justice Machine, the Elementals and THUNDER Agents in this kind of format.)

This would also open up another venue for Wizkids among collectors who aren't players.
So, what does anyone think?

[Gargantua]

This would spill over very well into Indyclix, as a lot of Independent comic characters haven't been around to change substantially at all. (My favorites would be Justice Machine, the Elementals and THUNDER Agents in this kind of format.)

Once again, Kid Zero shows himself a man of good taste. Justice Machine and Elementals figures would probably be about the only characters that would interest me enough to lure me into buying Indyclix. Unless they included some good pulp characters like the Shadow and Green Hornet. Those I'd buy.

[cephusdog]

Jonah Hex and the Metal Men!

[bizarrome]

The Shadow and Green Hornet Rock!! But don't forget Kato....

[Mayberry Bat]

bizarrome & ]V[GoldEagle, I posted my versions of Clark Kent & Matches Malone. Check 'em out and see what you think.

[bizarrome]

Where can I see them at??

[Mayberry Bat]

I just made stats for them I didn't make custom clix. The stats I made are in a thread to keep it separate from this one.

[jolt]

...that I'll be very disappointed if they don't have Alan Scott in the new set as a Unique.

jolt

[okiedokie]

I've been thinking about a Metal Men team ability. It would +1 attack for adjacent Metal Men and +1 Defense on all adjacent friendly figs and it would be cumulative! So if Gold and Tina are next to Batman, his defense would jump 2. Gold and Tina's attacks would be +1.
This would represent how they work together as a team on an attack and how they can merge together to form a defensive shield for any allies they are working with. Another possibility would be for when they are defending and adjacent they all take a click of damage (to represent them being attacked when they are in a merged formation). Of course, you would need Doc Magnus with support to help them out.

As for Jonah Hex, he would end up being a fairly weak character with a ranged attack and RCE like Bullseye (hmmm, maybe that's not so weak) but also with Outwit and maybe Stealth. How's that? A long range fig that you can't see and outwits your strength (I know, iI know, you can't use another power with RCE)The big question is, would we have old west Jonah, or the nuclear Hex??? I enjoyed the former more, but the latter would fit in better with the overall theme of clix, since he did battle the Batman of the future in New York.

I hope to see both of these, but I'm not holding my breath. I figure I'll see Firestorm and Killer Frost first.