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Dinoman
02/22/2003, 00:30
This is just my opinion, but as I've played, I've expirienced the use of many cheap tactics (by that I mean allowed by the rules, even though they probably shouldn't be). Examples follow:

1. Taxiing- At the end of any given turn, all the characters are exactly where they were at the beginning of that turn- this renders the map utterly useless, and so you might as well just play on a checkerboard, a map with no terrain that is about a quarter of the size of a regular map, so you really just have less space to travel and you can get the game over quicker. When I play, I imagine the Avengers ingaged in actual combat with the Masters of Evil, not Thor flying in Black Panther for a hit-and-run.

2. Re-rolls- I never play alone. When I play, my friends are usually having a battle right next to me. I will occasionally glance over and see what they're up to (they were playing indoors, so no taxiing for them!). The problem? So does the guy I'm playing, only he does it at completely inappropriate times, such as when I'm making an attack roll, or the roll to see whose turn is first. I roll a five, but he wasn't looking, so now I have to roll again, only this time I roll a one. If he had been more trusting, I would have beaten his two and probably won the game (it was a very eventful first round).

3.Hindering Terrain Confusion- Cyclops was attacking Doctor Octopus today, (the "Avengers vs. Masters of Evil" earlier was hypothetical) only Doctor Octopus was on hinderin terrain- this caused a whole lot of confusion- does his defense go up or does my attack drop, and how much damage do I do? His answer? His defense goes up one, my attack goes down one, and so does my damage! I don't need to tell you that that is just simply wrong.

4.Rule Book- "Situations that the rules don't cover might occur, and players may disagree about how to resolve those situations. In all such instances, roll one six-sided die." -Heroclix Rulebook, Heroclix Etiquette. Now how could this be twisted to give someone an unfair advantage? Well, when we don't have a rullebook on hand, they often suggest we roll for something rather than just going and looking for the book. An example (hypothetical)? "I rolled a six! I told you I could use support from long range!"

Thanks, that's been bugging me for quite a while now.

Dexceus
02/22/2003, 00:38
Originally posted by Dinoman

1. Taxiing- At the end of any given turn, all the characters are exactly where they were at the beginning of that turn- this renders the map utterly useless, and so you might as well just play on a checkerboard, a map with no terrain that is about a quarter of the size of a regular map, so you really just have less space to travel and you can get the game over quicker. When I play, I imagine the Avengers ingaged in actual combat with the Masters of Evil, not Thor flying in Black Panther for a hit-and-run.


Using people to taxi people around in combat is not 'cheap'. Though I will agree that it gets taken to extremes that sometime annoy me.

Originally posted by Dinoman

2. Re-rolls- I never play alone. When I play, my friends are usually having a battle right next to me. I will occasionally glance over and see what they're up to (they were playing indoors, so no taxiing for them!). The problem? So does the guy I'm playing, only he does it at completely inappropriate times, such as when I'm making an attack roll, or the roll to see whose turn is first. I roll a five, but he wasn't looking, so now I have to roll again, only this time I roll a one. If he had been more trusting, I would have beaten his two and probably won the game (it was a very eventful first round).


That is just plain cheating. If I were you, I would just make sure he was looking before you rolled.

Originally posted by Dinoman

3.Hindering Terrain Confusion- Cyclops was attacking Doctor Octopus today, (the "Avengers vs. Masters of Evil" earlier was hypothetical) only Doctor Octopus was on hinderin terrain- this caused a whole lot of confusion- does his defense go up or does my attack drop, and how much damage do I do? His answer? His defense goes up one, my attack goes down one, and so does my damage! I don't need to tell you that that is just simply wrong.


Again more with what is basicly cheating. His defense goes up by 1, that is it.

Originally posted by Dinoman

4.Rule Book- "Situations that the rules don't cover might occur, and players may disagree about how to resolve those situations. In all such instances, roll one six-sided die." -Heroclix Rulebook, Heroclix Etiquette. Now how could this be twisted to give someone an unfair advantage? Well, when we don't have a rullebook on hand, they often suggest we roll for something rather than just going and looking for the book. An example (hypothetical)? "I rolled a six! I told you I could use support from long range!"


Wow. More cheating. I would just make sure I had a copy of the Rules and FAQ on me at all times.

PantherPriest
02/22/2003, 00:49
It seems that your opponents are taking advantage of you.

And remember there is no such thing as a cheap tactic, there is just the tactic that lacks substance, in this case you just use a better tactic to stop their silly tactic like overtaxing

Contender
02/22/2003, 00:57
Most of the things you mentioned aren't just cheap tactics, but just plain cheating.

1. No comment. Like it or not it's just a part of the game unless you use house rules.

2. That one is really bad. If you have a problem with someone doing this I suggest announcing to your opponent that you are rolling for this attack (or other reason) and then roll. Don't touch your dice again until the result is clear. If they still didn't see it tell them they need to pay more attention and DO NOT reroll.

3. You're right, that is just wrong. It's pretty clear in the rules/FAQ, make sure you always bring your own copy of both whenever you play.

4. Just don't put up with it. If you know you are right get out the rules/FAQ and prove it.

At the venues that I play at I have never seen anyone purposefully use any tactics that I would consider cheating. There are usually several people that are very knowledgable and can answer any rules questions that come up.

Dinoman
02/22/2003, 15:21
Whether or not you agreed with me, this was my first time starting a thread, and I'm glad somepeople posted their opinions of what I had said. However, I stated that it was only an opinion. I agree with parts of the posts, and disagree with other parts, the same way everyone probably saw mine. Yes, taxiing isn't cheap- if you don't just waste the entire game doing that every time you play.

Dinoman
02/22/2003, 15:22
Whether or not you agreed with me, this was my first time starting a thread, and I'm glad somepeople posted their opinions of what I had said. However, I did state at the beginning that it was only an opinion. I agree with parts of the posts, and disagree with other parts, the same way everyone probably saw mine. Yes, taxiing isn't cheap- if you don't just waste the entire game doing that every time you play.

Dinoman
02/22/2003, 15:23
Sorry. Something went wrong and I posted twice.

metzgarob
02/22/2003, 15:37
Originally posted by Dinoman
they were playing indoors, so no taxiing for them

ok ive been playing heroclix for a while now did i miss something cause if this is true then i have been playing wrong for ever i looked at the heroclix faq and didnt see anything on this either so if anyone could help that would be nice