Some questions.

[Beastchylde]

1. If someone has the Superman enemy team ability, say Doomsday, and they are next to a less expensive point figure so that they gain outwit, can they use Outwit along with CCE (or RCE for that matter)? I said no because though it is a team ability, it grants you a superpower and CCE and RCE can't be used with another superpower. I can see the arguement either way. Any thoughts? Has this come up for anyone else?

2. If you make a breakaway roll can you move through the opponents that you succeeded in breaking away from? I said no but someone insisted that you could. You can move through your own figures though correct?

That's all for now. Thanx in advance.

[TheFreak]

you know i just got through a game with Doomsday and an Intergang Medic, and both ?'s came up.

We said yes to both, even my super anal friend who doesn't allow ANYTHING. But I could be wrong...

[scowlingone]

#1: The answer is no; a model may not use RCE/CCE and any other power on the same turn. So a model that gains Outwit from a team ability (remember, the power is actually gained) may not use both it and RCE/CCE on the same turn.

#2: Nope. You may only move over your own models. There isn't even an exception for flyers that break away.

[TheFreak]

whoops...hope my opponent isn't reading this one..if he is sorry. but on #2...doesn't it say in the rulebook that once you break away from someone, that you can move around them? i think there is even a picture of a fig doing that?

[scowlingone]

Yep, you can move around them. You can't move through them, though.

[DeathWeasel]

better check those rules again...
A hovering (flying) character can move through opponents' figures on a successful breakaway roll. They still must stop as normal if they become adjacent to an enemy that they didn't originally break away from. Does that make sense?
Grounded characters may NEVER move through opponents' figures, and all figures may move freely through friendly figures.

[scowlingone]

DeathWeasel is right. The rules are contradictory; the FAQ is clear.

[RVD420]

I thought the rules for RCE/CCE were that they could not be used with other powers in the same action, i.e. using super strength to hold an object while using CCE, using running shot or charge with RCE/CCE etc. I also thought that outwit was not considered an action, and could be used at the beginning or end of a character's turn. So in that case, wouldn't one be able to use the outwit before starting the attack action, and then be able to attack with RCE/CCE, only using that power in the attack action? I'm not really sure but that's how I interpreted it, any help would be appreciated b/c I'm slowly struggling to memorize the correct rulings :)

[double_a]

I believe an RCE/CCE figure with Outwit can use the outwit but not on the same figure that he wants to do an RCE attack. If you Outwit after the RCE/CCE attack then there is no restriction.

So you can outwit FigureA and attack FigureB with RCE/CCE;
OR
Attack FigureA with RCE/CCE and then outwit FigureA (or any other figure);

This also applies to Perplex except you can't perplex yourself or the target then hit that same target with RCE/CCE.

[Spikor]

Aren't the rules for RCE/CCE that you can't use any power to affect the piece doing the attacking? Outwit doesn't affect the attacker, it affects the defender, like Perplex, which is legal.

The only difference that I could see there being is that no piece could (currently) possibly have perplex and and any expertise at the same time.

[Funky Jett]

Originally posted by Spikor
Aren't the rules for RCE/CCE that you can't use any power to affect the piece doing the attacking? Outwit doesn't affect the attacker, it affects the defender, like Perplex, which is legal.

The only difference that I could see there being is that no piece could (currently) possibly have perplex and and any expertise at the same time.

double_a is correct in all his statements. The attacker may not Outwit his target then attack with either Expert. The attacker may not Perplex anything on him or on his target then attack with either Expert.

However... another teammate CAN Outwit or Perplex a target and then the first figure can attack with one of the Experts.

Or... the attacker can attack with an Expert attack, THEN Outwit that target for someone else.

[Beastchylde]

Originally posted by double_a
I believe an RCE/CCE figure with Outwit can use the outwit but not on the same figure that he wants to do an RCE attack. If you Outwit after the RCE/CCE attack then there is no restriction.

So you can outwit FigureA and attack FigureB with RCE/CCE;
OR
Attack FigureA with RCE/CCE and then outwit FigureA (or any other figure);

This also applies to Perplex except you can't perplex yourself or the target then hit that same target with RCE/CCE.

That's prretty much how I interpreted the rule too. Thanx for your input. Thanx to everyone else for their comments as well.