What do YOU hate about your opponent?

[Heroclix?]

My store hold HC tourneys every Wednesday. We don't get a lot of players, maybe 6 at the max, and everybody builds a fun team to have a good time with. The first point of playing in these tournies is to have fun, winning the LEs is always just a bonus. Anyway, last Wednesday there were a couple of kids there (no older than maybe 11) as the only players. I fielded a fun team, not really expecting to win (LE Dr. Doom, LE Mandroid Armor, U Nightcrawler, U Desaad, R Hawkman, V Doombot). Anyway, I win narrowly the first round and get the bye in the second (due to the low turnout, we always play round robin, the scenario where the first to 150 pts. in kills wins (300 point games)). In the third, this 8 year-old friend of the guy I beat in round 1 is fielding some team with V Ultron and random ####. I never get past Ultron's Invunerability. I get most of the #### on his team killed, but after a while we notice that he has killed 151 points of my team!! 151!!!! I have a reputation of finishing high, but when I win I never gloat. I always say how good of a game it was, the turning point, etc. I always act as though I could have lost the game at any point in time. Anyway, I lose and THE F***ING BRATS GLOAT THE REST OF MY TIME THERE!!! They say that they demolished me, and I attempt to point out that they only won by 1 point. But they wouldn't have it. They came up to me EVERY 2 MINUTES and gloated about how I was beaten. If that wasn't bad enough, the older kid was coaching his friend. I HATE PPL COACHING OTHER PPL!!! I guess that I'll have to bring my really cool 300-pt. DC team next time and actually TRY to beat them.


Enough of my rant, is there anything an opponent did to you that just pissed you off?

[Deathlok23]

Heroclix?,

they are little kids, how do you expect them to act? The presiding Judge should of handled it though. If I was running the event, I would of informed them that sportsmanship is what is expected of my players, and if they continued, I will have to DQ both of them and ask them to leave. No LEs, nothing, period. I think that would have given them the message that this sort of behavior is not acceptable. A little ribbing in good fun is fine, but immature gloating is another matter. Plus I would have informed them that as a Judge, I may give hints to new players now and again so they may learn how to play better (mostly after they finished an action, that they could have made a better move), but coaching is also grounds for a DQ. Your Judge dropped the ball on both counts. Maybe you should inform him that you had a these problems with these two younger players, and that it affected your enjoyment of his tournament. The Judge is the one in charge and should be watching for this kind of behavior and taking steps to eliminate/minimize it. You don't need to stoop to their level to make any kind of point or to gloat back. Just set an example and take it in stride,

Deathlok23
HeroClix Judge

[Heroclix?]

Thanks for sharing my point of view, Deathlok. The only stipulation is that we hold tournies in name only. The judge takes nothing seriously, and neither do most of the players. Add to it that those two and I were the only players and there were three LEs and there's little reason for a DQ. I just HATED their behavior, even if they were kids.


There is another store that I frequent that has no problem with this whatsoever. All the players are adults, as most of the kids are busy with Yu-Gi-Oh. Contrary to most of the interpretations of Yu-Gi-Oh players, they are respectful of us. Some come in and watch the game, but they keep quiet, and just watch.

[delowen]

Generally, I try to go easy on kids and/or newbies in a game, but if they get rude enough... then all bets are off. Were I you, I'd be pulling out multiple Firelords and Wasps to play the next time I had a chance at that particular kid and his friend.

As for annoying opponents, I was in a large HC free-for-all game and got stuck closely between two of the other players who instantly started bragging about how they were going to gang up on me. They thought it was pretty funny. So I hid my team (mostly Masters of Evil) between a couple of buildings in the first turn of the game, bided my time, and went after the weaker and more inexperienced player - HARD. I figured if I'm gonna have to fight the two of them, then I need to take the weaker force out of the equation fast.

He STILL whines about how I attacked him first instead of the other player who was more experienced and whose force was much stronger. I don't know what else he expected. It's like: "Dude, if you brag about how you're going to gangpile me in a game and then LAUGH about it, don't be too surprised when I go for your jugular in that same game." But he still - even two months later - complains about it. Oh Well.:)

[Captain Spoon]

Originally posted by delowen
... I don't know what else he expected. It's like: "Dude, if you brag about how you're going to gangpile me in a game and then LAUGH about it, don't be too surprised when I go for your jugular in that same game." But he still - even two months later - complains about it. Oh Well.:)



LMAO!!!

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA...

-SPOON!-

[Doomtoy]

Well, duh.

If you act like an adult, people will tend to treat you like one.

Act like a child... and, well, you'll tend to get treated like one...

[CPUX]

I have a few friends who take every step necessary to fudge a rule or two. I'm not talking just combining EE + RCE, but really messing with someone to the point where the game stops being fun. Lack of action tokens. Heck, even infinite actions per turn. And here's the worst: a team made up entirely of Firelords & Medics!

Also, you ever play that opponent that both takes forever to take their turn, and even moves half their guys, rethinks, and moves them back? It's sick I tells ya!

[TheDarkKnight]

I just want to point out 2 things.

1. About ppl who take back their turns. Whats your opinion if they plan out this great move and you inform them they have made an illegal move somewhere in it. I mean cut the guy some slack if he didnt know let me rethink it. There are so many rules in this game i cant even keep track!

2. Inreguard to the 8 year old kid...........hes 8. I would be mad to if i lost to a kid even and he continually gloated about it. But i think we should be lucky kids are even playing this game. After all it is a game. I wouldn't strip him of his rightful LE's, if you win you win. I mean hes 8, hes not to smart and could have something like ADD ADHD OCD or something like that. Sure he would get jack in the fellowship but come on guys hes 8 just tell him to shut it and let him know if you dont show respect then heres the door.

Thats my story and i am sticking with it!

[CandySuxxx]

that they're cracker @$$ crackers!

[TheDarkKnight]

what?

[Nightmare555]

What I hate most is when your opponent makes up rules and I know they are wrong. This is what happened his black cat was on the edge of the roof and my medic and she hulk were adjacent to it but on ground level not on the roof. And he said I couldn't heal my she hulk ,because; his black cat had l/c and that gave made him adjacent. Someone please reply to this and tell me I was right and if I am not I will go to him and tell him he was right and I was wrong.

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[Thomthemonk]

nightmare im pretty sure l/c does make you ajacent to ppl not on your level.


but, if it helps, your sig line is very funny.

[Earnan]

His Black Cat is not considered adjacent, though L/C would allow her to attack either figure.

I could see where the mixup is, but you were right.

WarlordEarnan

[Nightmare555]

Ahhh much thanx. That has been pain in my nech for a long time.

[fridayweb]

What I'm thinking about the topic at the moment... people you have to remind of a rule more than twice. So you tell them once, and maybe it's the first time they've heard it. Fine. Second time - maybe you didn't explain it well enough the first time, or it might be one of the counter-intuitive rules the game has.

Third time, that person needs to DIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIE! :p

[Steve Shady]

MY BROTHER!!!!!

Whenever we play he always tries to cheat!

He will make like he is clicking 3 clikcs of damage but only do 2. Ive caught him so many times it aint funny.

[Batman1983]

I lost a 1000pt game cause my opponent insisted he could use Superman (see through) & SupesEnemy(outwit) at the same time to attack my E Ultron (stealthed from bat team) w/ his E Klaw. He couldn't but said since he hadn't read the updated FAQ he didn't know any better & couldn't take my word for it. I was already losing but I almost got shut out because of it (and many other little things). I was trying to play for fun & he wasn't. However I'm not mad at this guy (for other reasons) just wish people new the rules.

[scowlingone]

I played in a tourney today, and I had to restrain myself from throttling a kid (under 12) that I was playing.

He neglects to place action tokens on his models half the time, and I have to gently remind him that they've got tokens. Over and over and over again.

He asks the same rules questions -- over and over and over again. "What's purple Speed power?" "Force Blast." Two minutes later, the same question. And again. And again.

He's constantly engaging in metagame chatter and gloating when he's doing well. He took out Hawkman early in the game, and just would not stop harping on it. "So I'm winning! I'm winning! I'm winning!" Repeat ad nauseum. "So, if I beat you will I get first place?" We won't know until we see the results of this game and the next game. "I'm beating you! I've already killed your Hawkman." Yes, I know. You keep saying that.

And he's SLOW. He may only have one figure that can act, and it'll take many long minutes for him to decided what to do. "Can I shoot this guy?" No, he's on elevated terrain and not on the edge. "Can I move here?" Yes, you can move there. "Can I shoot this guy?" No, I've already told you why. "My Flash moves in and does a Hypersonic." No, Nightwing Outwitted his Hypersonic. "Can I shoot this guy?" That's the same guy I've already told you that you can't shoot.

I mean, I know the kid's excited. It's a fun game, and it's even more fun when you're playing well. But there's a limit, right?

So I won that match. No idea how, as by the end of the game I had a pounding headache, and I took the tourney, too. He took second place and his older brother got Fellowship.

First place picks which figure he wants. Even though it's an LE3, I wanted Carter Hall. That leaves Kirk Langstrom and Harleen Quinzel for the two brothers. As the second-place winner, the kid gets first choice of the two.

I swear it took him fifteen minutes to decide which one he wanted. And four times he asked "but where's the Hawkman?", and it just didn't register that I'd already claimed it. The judge was ready to roll a die and assign them randomly. If I were the judge, I'd have just shown the kid the door and given one of the LEs to third place instead. Maybe that's why I shouldn't be a judge.

I'm told that he also plays Mechwarrior, and last weekend the judge gave him a "yellow card" (like in soccer) with a warning that any more foolishness would see him banned. I am somehow not surprised.

I quickly met his father this afternoon when he came to pick the boys up. He seems like a very nice, patient guy. I think he'd have to be. Or maybe he drinks a lot. I would.

Don't get me wrong -- I like kids. I like teaching kids to play games. There have been any number of excellent, intelligent, well-behaved kids at these tourneys. But this kid....gah.

Thanks for letting me rant.

[Spiritual_Ex]

Those people who cheer your misfortune. I can't stand that. I have no problem with a person getting excited when they make a nice move or a great roll (hey, who doesn't love to roll boxcars, or do something your opponent doesn't expect); but it drives me nuts when someone cheers if I roll poorly. As if it wasn't disappointing enough, I have some jerk rubbing salt into that wound. Sorry, but making someone feel bad is just poor sportsmanship. I try my best never to do this, my usual comment after someone has rolled bad is something like "man, that sucks", because I can sypathize with how annoying missing on 4's or 5's is. I so totaly can't understand the type of player who gloats when he hasn't accomplished anything of stategic value beyond sitting there and staring at your dice roll (ALl I want to say is "Wow, you sure should be proud, it sure took alot of skill to watch me botch those dice").

Anyway, Vent off :)

[Magnito]

The thing I hate, and this may be petty, is when I play my brother, he hex's my roles. He keeps making anoying sounds when I'm about to role. I always make a bad role when it happens. It is the most annoying thing in the world.

[Qwaurk]

I really hate those people who have to play to win and not to have fun. It defeats the purpose of a game. Like a previous post stated there is also a store around here who hosts games on Wednesdays and there is one player who shows up occasionally that I have now refused to play and ask to be paired to someone else when I am paired to him. Every time he plays he makes the most cheese armies ever such as running shot figures that have very high attack values or when playing DC having 6 out of 8 characters with Outwit. Then he acts as if he is a superior player. Yeah, right. It was this same kind of player that I quit Mage Knight because I was tired of people making a range army with beefed up damage and then just sit in a corner and wait for someone to come to them and act like they are a great player. Well, in my opinion, all it shows is lack of imagination. Has anyone else had these kind of players? Ah well, just my two cent rant.

[Spock]

What I really hate is when my opponents keep rolling better than I do :-)

At today's tournament, whenever I attacked with She-Hulk, I kept rolling double 1s. One of my opponents attacked her twice at the start of the game...and rolled boxcars both times! grah...

R Invisible Girl annoys me too...DC figures (we play mixed) have a really hard time hitting 18 defense, especially with Black Cat making them reroll :-)

[Jean_genie]

One of my friends tries to hex me(a la Caddyshack), but it never works. Mostly it's just funny.

We have two annoying people locally. One guy short-clicks (or at least he did it once or twice, and now everyone knows him as "big fat cheater"), and we have an annoying kid that gloats. Luckily the gloater doesn't play when any of the better players come to the tournies, because he always looses. He's about 8 too, and he was trying to trash-talk me after he beat me once. It was my 3rd game. I'm like "kid, I'm twice your height, and more than twice your age and weight. I could snap you like a twig. You wanna keep this up?"

There was this one match we had where we ran out of time to my benefit. I took out some 150 points of his, and he some 140 or so of mine. I had Nick Fury on one of his last clicks, and a few snipers a couple squares behind him. He taxis a Cyke at about half life up, and TIME! So then he whines and whines about how he would have won if he had time to shoot Fury. Which was partially true.

I played him again in the finals. Almost the exact same thing happened, only this time I had a Doombot around somewhere. So he taxis Cyke up, blasts Fury, and proceeds to look all smug. I remind him that I have 3 Snipers pointed at Cyke, and 3 actions. 4 if the Doombot hits Leadership. I had 'em there last match too. He stops looking smug rather quickly :)

[sudro2]

Originally posted by Spiritual_Ex
Those people who cheer your misfortune. I can't stand that. I have no problem with a person getting excited when they make a nice move or a great roll (hey, who doesn't love to roll boxcars, or do something your opponent doesn't expect); but it drives me nuts when someone cheers if I roll poorly. As if it wasn't disappointing enough, I have some jerk rubbing salt into that wound. Sorry, but making someone feel bad is just poor sportsmanship. I try my best never to do this, my usual comment after someone has rolled bad is something like "man, that sucks", because I can sypathize with how annoying missing on 4's or 5's is. I so totaly can't understand the type of player who gloats when he hasn't accomplished anything of stategic value beyond sitting there and staring at your dice roll (ALl I want to say is "Wow, you sure should be proud, it sure took alot of skill to watch me botch those dice").

Anyway, Vent off :)

I go both ways on this one. If a buddy misses an important healing roll (or several in a row), I can commiserate with them. But if his full power Hulk critical misses my last medic, I'm gonna cheer. Sorry.

[Spiritual_Ex]

Originally posted by sudro2


I go both ways on this one. If a buddy misses an important healing roll (or several in a row), I can commiserate with them. But if his full power Hulk critical misses my last medic, I'm gonna cheer. Sorry.

Hey, Cheer away if you feel the need too. If you're dumb enough to let me get Hulk next to your medic then he deserves to die; and if your lucky enough that he doesn't you should be too busy counting your blessing to rub your opponents face in it. Obviously if something like that happens to me, and I'm on the opposite end of the dice I feel relief, and I feel lucky, but I don't feel the need to be smug about it. It could just as easily happen to me. If you're tactically sound you shouldn't have to play off your opponents ####py dice rolls. At the same time these are part of the game, and certainly a fun part (there are ups and downs). I really don't much care about winning or losing most of the time, I just want to have fun, and making fun of, or wallowing in, someone's bad luck just doesn't give anyone a nice feeling. It's plain poor sportsmans ship.

On the issue of jinxing; this really bothers me, few things are as annoying as someone saying out oud they want you to roll a 1 on a Blades/Claws/Fangs, Regen, or Support roll. Gee it's kinda obvious that would be the outcome most favorable too you, so keep your mouth shut and think it to yourself.

[sudro2]

I don't appreciate being called dumb. I play to have fun too and sometimes my opponent outthinks me. I suppose that never happens to you.

Now, I'm not saying that I'm going to rub my buddy's face in his misfortune, but I am going to give a quick hoot of thanks to the dice gods for favoring me. My buddies do the same. None of us is hurt when we do that. All of us have been in that position and we understand the relief felt when certain death is avoided.

By the same token, we generally cheer each other on, too. If my buddy runs a particularly complex gambit, gambling on a couple of chancy dice rolls, and ends up pulling it off and demolishing my army in the process, I'm gonna cheer for him. And if I do the same, he cheers for me. That's the way we play.

Bad sportsmanship would be shoving his nose in the fact that he missed a die roll. Or gloating about a win. Or pouting about a loss. In our games, we're there to have fun. We're just glad to have the opportunity to play. As we're leaving after an afternoon of gaming our parting shot is usually "thanks for the game."

You come play with me and then call me a bad tactician or a bad sport. Or call me dumb.

[The Stinger]

I agree. Its not right to rub it in someone's face because the dice arent doing them any favors. You can express your relief in a way that doesnt rub the other persons face in it. Like "Whew! I thought for sure that I was a goner on that roll." You dont have to go off on them like you just won the lottery or something.

I like how some of these people think that they are so high and mighty when basically all they did was get their dice rolls. Im a firm believer that this game is about 60% strategy and 40% luck.

You can have the guy dead to rights but if you roll snakeyes, it doesnt matter what you had planned.

AND, if your life is so empty that you are uncontrollably happy when someone gets a bad roll, or is losing the game, you really need to get out of the house more often.

When I play, I expect to have a fun experience. I want to see my figures duking it out with the other guy's on an even playing field. That is the most fun right there. Having a really cool battle where you are taking out each other's figures left and right, comic book style.

All the turtling about that some players do trying desperately not to lose a single figure, whining when they lose a figure, questioning rules that they know have been laid down since the beginning because it is unfavorable to them, they are playing for the wrong reason.

If they want the LE that bad, they should just go get it on E-Bay and save everyone else the trouble. Poor sportsmanship is inexcusable in my book. Its disrespectful to the opponent, and to themselves as well. You should hold other people in a higher regard than that. A good portion of it stems from immaturity, as is the case with most young kids, but there are those who know better, they just dont care.

[Spiritual_Ex]

Originally posted by sudro2
I don't appreciate being called dumb. I play to have fun too and sometimes my opponent outthinks me. I suppose that never happens to you.

Bad sportsmanship would be shoving his nose in the fact that he missed a die roll


I didn't mean to say you were dumb, sorry it came across that way, and looking at my post it obviously does. My aplogies. What I was trying to say, is that Hulk manages to get next to your medic, the medic pretty much deserves to die. Whether it was by your own mistake (or its a rish you were willing to take), or by the player using Hulks good tactics.

And the Bad Sportsmanship you mention, gloating about a die roll, is exactly what I'm talking about.

[IJIT]

On saturday I played a guy who tried to jinx my dice roll. He had a blue hercules on the other side of a wall from my rookie sabertooth. So I broke the wall with Dr. Strange and attacke with sabertooth. I only needed a six to hit and easily got it. Then he yells roll a 1 for blades claws....and I roll a six. So toughness makes it 5 clicks to his hercules. So much for his dice jinxing strategy. Oh yeah, and of all the embarassing things, my rookie toad finished off his hercules.

[Earnan]

One thing that I'd like to point out is that I let my friends get away with one heck of a lot more than some random guy at a tournament, and even more so when I'm just playing for fun.

When you are playing with friends, you have that relationship to build on, and you know each others limits. Jean_genie can get away with a lot more joking and wishing me horrific luck (and I'm renowned for my ability to miss attacks by 1) then a random guy who shows up for the first time to a tournament.

And, I don't mind people making fun of my stupid, dumb plays when I'm playing a game for fun. When I'm in a tournament, I don't want people pointing and laughing. I'm already losing and possibly out of LE contention, please don't make it worse! :)

WarlordEarnan

[Symbiote8]

so


they're this 12-year old kid at the tournaments i play at (actually, there are several.) he's a pain, mostly cause he's loud. i was playing him two weeks ago with a new team i had come up with because i had used the same one over and over and over that it sickened me. well, anyway, we were playing on an outdoor map... im not sure which one, but my bullseye was in such a position... well lemme show you

b = bullseye
s = stairs (w/ capitol S being the top stair)
d = dr strange

XXdXXXXX
XsXXXXXX
XsXXXXXX
bSXXXXXX


well... not the best of diagrams, but bullseye was adjacent to the top step, but on the ground. i attempted to shoot dr strange.

the kid said "wait, i dunno if you can do that."
i say, "no, im pretty sure that the steps are considered grounded"
he says "alright..."

i then shoot strange

later, the judge tells me that only the TOP STEP is considered elevated, so i technichally didnt have LOS.

kid says "SEE?! SEE?! CHEATER!"

i say, "hey, im sorry. i coulda sworn theye were grounded"

"CHEATER!!"

judge gives back the 3 clicks that strange took.

we play on, and i narrowly win the game

i appologize profusely, tell the kid how much i liked his team, and appologize summore

"CHEATER!! you CHEATED!!"

that bugged me...

(and as if the gods weren't watching... i lost the rest of my matches and, in one, i rolled 2 crit misses in A ROW... so dont feel too bad for him, he got a better record than me.)

[dmac7979]

I hate when people gang up on you and the gloat how your team "wasnt that tough."

Last week I was playing a 500 pt four way. My team was vet Dr. Doom, vet Bullseye, Darkseid, vet Nightwing, exp Black Cat, exp Booster Gold and exp Lackey. I frustrated my one opponent so much (couldnt hit Doom, and PC was really working in my favor), that he quit. Then the other 2 proceed to attack me. Then my friend has the gall to say that Doom isnt worth 198 pts. only because it was Doom vs. about 7 other figs. This from the guy who moves his figs into position and then takes back his move when he realizes he cant hit or hurt someone.

[Spiritual_Ex]

b = bullseye
s = stairs (w/ capitol S being the top stair)
d = dr strange

XXdXXXXX
XsXXXXXX
XsXXXXXX
bSXXXXXX


Just out of curiosity, is Dr. Strange Elevated?

In either case the "S" Isn't in your way, but it Dr. strange is elevated it looks like the "X" directly below "d" is a piece of impeding elevated terrain that would prevent you from firing at him. Anyway, just curious (I'm assuming You were on the 3 building and park outdoor map, I could be wrong).

But I totaly see how that could be annoying, at the same time, I suppose we all have to take kids with a grain of salt (and a few grinding teeth and clenched fists :)

[USAgent]

These few ppl i have encountered are the end all and be all of annoying opponents.
First off this kid and his dad that both play HC, at first i was like "ya know thats cool, this guy likes comics and the game and he's gettin his kid into it" then i played them, i was ready to tear theyre heads off and wear em as hats. The dad takes forever and does nothing but talk and talk and talk for hours. Where we hold tounies is a store in a mall, so of course theres ppl walkin by and lookin at the game, as soon as someone asks a question he's off and running, i timed his turns once, after all the talking to his son, asking questions and re-reading the rulebook while at a tourny, one of his tunrs too 15 minutes i kid you not. His son is worse, as soon as you kill one of his figures he pouts and tries to cheat, and woe be the one that kills his favorite characters, he throws a hissy fit and quits, which in the long run isnt bad cause all i have to do is find his fav and pound em into the ground.

As bad as the father and son team are there is one worse. This guy has no clue who have the characters are, has no idea of the powers, rules, or even how to click the ones with and under-click, it was painful watchin him snap a Blue Beetle(one of my fav characters). When he assigns a LOF he uses toothpicks to mark the figures that are goingto attack, the toothpick point toward the fig. he's targeting. He takes ungodly amounts of time for his turn, and worst of all because he takes so long its near impossible to get my figures into any good positions for attack.

But now we come to the end, the one and only, the biggest annoying player on the face of this ball of dirt we call earth. Not only does he not really read comics, he doesnt have a clue who half the characters are, in a tourny he takes so much time, i only got one turn in a 45 minute tourny, one turn, thats disgusting. Also when passers by show interest he starts talkin to him explaining the game picking up figures from the board to show ppl them hopefully placing them down in the right spot, ive learned to mark the spots, he doesnt keep track of action tokens or how many alloted actions. So of course i get frustrated and say stuff like "ya done yet"(politley) then he gets all defensive and starts whinning "man relax its only a game" once i finally said to em "yes it is a game, and i would like to play it sometime today" but the icing on the proverbial cake is this, he was a judge, yeah a judge also one tournament he sat there and told someone that was learning "dude just take out a few figures and stahl the rest of the time, they cant make you move you'll win by stahling." But it all almost turned ugly when i showed up for a tourny and the fellowship prize was Ted Kord, now i love the Blue Beetle, so i put on my best happy face and played the tourny for the most part it was fun, i enjoyed myself as i usually do, then i played HIM, but i sat back relaxed and basically let him take all the time in the world. He won i lost, in fact i got last place, so he excuses himself to go to the bathroom and the judge asks the rest of the players who the fellowship prize should go to, we all know eachother and play the game so they all said me and i got what i wanted, He comes back from the bathroom and starts #####in sayin that it aint right that i got the Ted Kord and i lost it wasnt a fair vote cause i didnt care if i lost, the same kid that time after time said "its only a game"


People, cant live with em cant shoot em.

[sudro2]

Originally posted by Spiritual_Ex


I didn't mean to say you were dumb, sorry it came across that way, and looking at my post it obviously does. My aplogies. What I was trying to say, is that Hulk manages to get next to your medic, the medic pretty much deserves to die. Whether it was by your own mistake (or its a rish you were willing to take), or by the player using Hulks good tactics.

And the Bad Sportsmanship you mention, gloating about a die roll, is exactly what I'm talking about.

Thanks, I appreciate the apology.

Earnan makes a good point about context. In a tourny situation I would never cheer someone else's bad roll. Against someone who I've never played (or even seldom played) I agree that would be bad sportsmanship. My buddies, however, understand that our victory cheers are more a celebration of our good fortune than a celebration of someone else's misfortune. It's a fine distinction.

But you're right. Doing an "In your face!" kind of thing is a bit gauche.