Moving then Phasing

[Doublevision]

If I'm using a E Swamp Thing can I do this:

Move three spaces, land on an object, pick it up then phase four more spaces?

[l11moon]

Any figure with Super Strength can pick up an object at any point in your movement.

i.e.

xxxxxxxxKx
xxxxxxxpxx
xxxxxxOxxx
xxppppxxxx
xSxxxxxxxx

Swamp thing starts at the "S" spot.
Walks for 4 spaces ("p" spots)
Picks up the object at "O" spot.
Keeps walking ("p" spot)
Stops at the "K" spot while holding object (and waiting to Kick some arse!!)


To answer your question: Yes.

[Funky Jett]

Originally posted by Doublevision
If I'm using a E Swamp Thing can I do this:

Move three spaces, land on an object, pick it up then phase four more spaces?
You may pick up an object at any point in your move action, as long as you don't become adjacent with an opponent before you pick it up (this includes a figure ON the object). There are some special cases where you can keep moving though.

[CyberVenom]

No, he can't.

Swamp Thing can move and pick up the object or phase and pick up an object, but he can't move, pick up the object, then phase in one fell swoop.

Since moving and Phasing both require an action, you can only do one during that turn.

[Funky Jett]

CV, is correct.

From the FAQs -
"Phasing only works for the duration of a figure’s move. The figure must be in a legal position at the end of his move."

However...
"Picking things up (figures, objects), does not require the figure to be _given_ a Move Action, however. They take place _during_ a Move Action, so you can pick someone up & phase through a wall with them."

Also, if he doesn't phase, and just moves, he CAN pick up the object at any point during his move. You just can't move then phase.

Good catch, CV.

[CyberVenom]

Thanks Funky Jett. I'm here to help. :D

[l11moon]

I may be looking at this from a comic book point of view instead of the game point of view.
However,...

Phasing says:
"Give this figure a move action. ..."

Super Strength says:
"During a move actions, this character may pick up and carry an object..."

This, to me, means you can do both in the same action.

I can picture this especially with Vision:
He can turn intangable... fly by...
turn his hands tangable & pick up the object...
Turn the object and his hands intangable...
Stop somewhere & turn tangable.


Maybe you guys have had more experience with this than I have. I look forward to seeing your reply.

[CyberVenom]

Exactly what I was saying. A phasing character can move and pick up an object just like normal moving.

[Funky Jett]

l11moon, you certainly can pick up an object while Phasing. However, the original question asked if you could move (non-Phasing), pick up an object, THEN finish moving your movement by Phasing. Can't do that.

The FAQs states you must Phase for your entire move action. You cannot Phase for parts of your move and just move for the rest.

[Ghost_Rider]

This really doesn't make sense. What is the difference?? Why would you want to not be phasing, pick up an object, and then be phasing if you can be phasing, pick up an object, and continue being phasing? I'm lost.

Ghost

[Funky Jett]

Originally posted by Ghost_Rider
This really doesn't make sense. What is the difference?? Why would you want to not be phasing, pick up an object, and then be phasing if you can be phasing, pick up an object, and continue being phasing? I'm lost.

Ghost
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but the reason you can't is because it says so in the rules...

From the FAQs -
"Phasing only works for the duration of a figure’s move. The figure must be in a legal position at the end of his move."

and it is specifically on point on this argument. I guess the designers wanted to make this part as simple as possible. Either you are moving or Phasing, never both during the same move action.

[KA LIKI]

at first reading this post idin't seem so confused but now at the end i am . so if i understand this right you can start your movement phaseing pass by an object and pick it up, but not start moving pick up an item and then use phasing. :(

[Spiritual_Ex]

If your smart you'll just consider yourself phased for the entite duration of your movement, it doesn't inhibit you in any way, but it does grant you the ability to move through figures and terrain unhindered. You can do anything you want (carry allies or pick up objects) while phased. Don't think of it as a power you can activate in the middle of your turn, just tink of it as always being on (ie use it whenever you move, I personally don't think it needs to be declared as it seems similar to leap/climb, just better).

[Ghost_Rider]

That's what I was talking about. By saying that you can't move normally, pick up an object, then become phasing might be true to the rules, but it really doesn't make a difference. All we did here is confuse a lot of people by getting very technical.

Ghost

[Funky Jett]

While we might have ended up very technical, it is clearly stated in the rules that you can't move and Phase in the same turn. They are two different things.

In my defense, I originally thought you could until CV set us straight. I went looking for the rules to prove him wrong, but the rules proved ME wrong. :)

[l11moon]

First off, if you are reading this... Turn back NOW.... Save yourself while you can!

If you are still reading this....

I think Spiritual_Ex hit it on the head...
consider yourself phased for the entite duration of your movement,... it does grant you the ability to move through figures and terrain unhindered. You can do anything you want (carry allies or pick up objects) while phased. Don't think of it as a power you can activate in the middle of your turn, just tink of it as always being on


I don't see where it says, "You can't move and Phase in the same turn." as Funky Jett has pointed out.
The rules state, "Phasing only works for the duration of a figure’s move."
I think we can agree, it doesn't work when you are not moving. (notice the double negative... it does not work when you are standing still).
This does not say Phasing works for the entire duration of your move.


I hope no body gets too frustrated at this debate,... I value the opinions of Funky Jett, Ghost_Rider, CyberVenom, and everybody else here.

[Funky Jett]

Swampy decides he wants to pick up an object 3 squares away, then Phase through a wall.

You have two choices -

1) Go into Phasing mode. Move. Pick up object. Continue moving. Phase through the wall. Unphase.

-or-

2) Walk. Pick up object. Continue walking up to the wall. STOP. Next turn, Phase through wall with object in hand. Unphase.

|11moon, "duration" means "entire". If you decide to Phase, the duration of your movement is all Phased. If you walk/fly, your entire move is walking/flying. Flyers have one advantage, they can go into Soaring mode, but that's not changing the TYPE of movement, that's just changing altitude.

[l11moon]

Swampy decides he wants to pick up an object 3 squares away, then Phase through a wall.

You have two choices -

1) Go into Phasing mode. Move. Pick up object. Continue moving. Phase through the wall. Unphase.


I agree!!!! :) :)

-or-

2) Walk. Pick up object. Continue walking up to the wall. STOP. Next turn, Phase through wall with object in hand. Unphase.


Don't know why you would choose to do this, But...
Yes you could. I agree!

I looked up Duration earlier (further proof that we are all spending too much effort on this).

Definition:

1. Continuance or persistence in time.
2. A period of existence or persistence: sat quietly through the duration of the speech.

I take this as: it could work during the figure's move time.
The symantics of it----
You take it as: it must work during the figure's move time.

Again, I respect your' opinions. But I look forward to putting this all behind me.

[Spiritual_Ex]

As far as I know a character with Phasing always moves in this mode, much like a Leap/Climb character moves in Leap Climb mode. You don't have to declare phasing. THerefore you could walk 3 pick up the object and then move through a wall, whether you declared phasing or not, because in any situation it would be dumb for you not to declare phasing.

It's ridiculous if people are going to start to get so techinical that every time a phasing character moves he has to declare he is phasing prior to doing anything else. That's just plain anal, and a loophole only for those not skilled enough to play the game by their own merits.

[TheEnigma]

Although I wholeheartedly agree with Spiritual_Ex, I think the point of the wording to the Phasing rule was simply that the effects of Phasing only last for movement purposes and not for combat, so a Phased character would still block LOS, still suffer damage from knockback, etc. This keeps the figure tangible unless they're moving so they be affected normally by powers and attacks.