Starfleet Battles, in clix form!

[Terman8er]

If NECA-Kids were to make a Star Trek clix game based around the old Starfleet Battles game would you be up for it?

[DJMillag]

Maybe, it would depend on how they did it. I don't support the idea of Haloclix and Horrorclix, they were good concepts but did not interest me.

[BudPalmer]

I like Trek but I'm not sure I'd let myself get sucked into another game.

[flatmatt]

I'm not familiar with the old game. I suppose I'd support it as a fan, but I wouldn't buy any.

[bludd72]

if it was done well, then hell yea i'd throw some cash their way :D

[sphin]

I'd love a Star Trek Clix game, or really anything that provides me with more ships to collect. But, I'm unfamiliar with the Starfleet Battles game so I voted D.

[commandercool]

I voted "Ugh... Trekkies" because I'm a smartass, but I really have nothing against the idea (or the franchise). I would not buy it, but I don't wish it any specific harm.

[Norym]

Yes I love the old version.

Star Fleet Battles Wiki Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Fleet_Battles)

[Manchine]

I remember the good old days of Starfleet battles.

[Norym]

I also wish they would make a good game based off of Classic Battletech. :noid:


The abomination that was Mechwarrior does not count.

I think the clix mechanic could do a good job representing a space based combat game.

[Surfer13]

No thanks. For me it's a money thing.
Heroclix is the collectible game that I play. I am not going to play Star Trek also, and I can't see myself trading Heroclix for Star Trek.

But if it will increase Wizkids income, then I am all for it. If it just takes money away from Heroclix and adds that same amount of money back through Star Trek, then they need to decide which way they want to go, and my vote is to stick with Heroclix.

[TheRedHood]

My initial reaction is YES, but I am not familiar with the other game. I would be more interested in a self contained clix like game where characters are the driving force. I wouldn't want to go through what I have with Heroclix, which is waiting for 4 or 5 sets to complete the bridge crew. I currently play a bastardized version of the old ccg so I would definitely be interested.

[Terman8er]

The abomination that was Mechwarrior does not count.

While Mechwarrior was/is very different from classic Battletech...I love me some Mechwarrior. :)

[Terman8er]

My initial reaction is YES, but I am not familiar with the other game. I would be more interested in a self contained clix like game where characters are the driving force. I wouldn't want to go through what I have with Heroclix, which is waiting for 4 or 5 sets to complete the bridge crew. I currently play a bastardized version of the old ccg so I would definitely be interested.

Starfleet battles is more Ship to Ship combat.

[Norym]

While Mechwarrior was/is very different from classic Battletech...I love me some Mechwarrior. :)

Artillery, VTOLS and ICE mechs ruined it for me.

CBT was all about the mechs, everything else was there to support them. But I do not want to get off topic.

[CowboyBebop]

Artillery, VTOLS and ICE mechs ruined it for me.

CBT was all about the mechs, everything else was there to support them. But I do not want to get off topic.

I agree 100%. That game turned into Artillery Warrior.

[loganspeedo]

If I can get out of the ranks of the unemployed and start making money again and it's a good game, then I could see getting it.

[Terman8er]

I agree 100%. That game turned into Artillery Warrior.

See...now we're digressing.

No it didn't. Good artillery pieces (like the SwordSworn one) made you pack your own arty to keep their heads down. But that was it. As a die-hard Republic player I packed two towed arty's to suppress the opposition and then sent a VTOL or a fast mech to take their arty out of the game...if there was an abundance.

I am not sure how long ago you all played (It has been a while for me) but I never really saw the uber-domination of Arty that many doomsayers called for. And I did play at some major tournaments and did very well playing my Republic forces.

And now...back to our regularly scheduled event!

[Azriel Stern]

I would love a Star Trek clix game. Especially since clix-based games have evolved from early gameplay designs and REV-laden sets.

I'm a Classic Battletech vet that played Mechwarrior clix just because it was just plain easier to get a game going (this was way before I found MegaMek and the MekWars campaigns).

Given that, I wouldn't play a clix game that was designed more like Mechwarrior than Heroclix. It was fine for a time, but it ended up being an expensive, convoluted substitute.

[Superfly]

Yes I love the old version.

Star Fleet Battles Wiki Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Fleet_Battles)

Thanks for the link. I had no idea what this was even about.

Well, I have to say that the source material is interesting enough to be fun, but the execution would be a problem. What would the maps be like? Would their BE maps? Woulds ships be to scale? Probably not, huh? Would the ships come with descriptor cardslike clix? I just don't see how this could work out well.

[Herrbrane]

Rep for Galaxy Quest reference.

[Lofcutus]

The loss of the Announced but unspecified Star Trek product is one of the worst things about the TOPPS to NECA journey. I am a Trekkie, unashamed and unabashed, I want to see something that has the slick finished look associated with Wizkids and the awesome adventure feel of playing many star ships against each other (just not in a pop-out poly styrene format...)

[richpizor]

I would VASTLY prefer this be a star wars game, but i am willing to check it out.

[Gorodish]

I played the original Star Fleet Battles when it first was released and the next 4 versions as well. I even still have some of the miniatures. I'd buy a clix version for the minis but I don;t think the game would translate well to a single (or even double) dial system.

[MacGyver2506]

Dude, I hate you! I opened this thinking you had news on a REAL Star Trek Clix game and I was SOOO let down when I realized you didn't!!! :(

[GreenMan]

No thanks. For me it's a money thing.
Heroclix is the collectible game that I play. I am not going to play Star Trek also, and I can't see myself trading Heroclix for Star Trek.

But if it will increase Wizkids income, then I am all for it. If it just takes money away from Heroclix and adds that same amount of money back through Star Trek, then they need to decide which way they want to go, and my vote is to stick with Heroclix.

Nicely said.

take the starfleet budget and

GET SOME NEW 2000AD CLIX!

[WolvieFan9]

I definitely would, as long as the mechanics were handled well. I don't think the starship mechanics would translate to a clickable dial well, personally.

I was a die-hard Star Fleet Battles player... I also loved the strategic game, Federation and Empire.

What I could get behind would be a clickable version of the strategic game... you maintain a strategic map with Fleet markers, but the fleets are clickable figures, and when fleets engage in combat, you go to a battle board and can fight the battles with little clickable figures.

Of course, I'd be glad to have Kirk, Spock, Picard, Worf and the rest in Clix format... I'd love to have Kirk take on Avengers Abomination... "He's kind of like a Gorn, I'll shoot him with my diamond cannon..."

[fastcat99]

But I would buy Galaxy Quest Clix!

[flakbait]

I only played Starfleet Battles a few times with my dad, but I loved it. It was so complicated, I don't even know where you'd start on turning it into a clix game. Different dials for different energy allocations? I think maybe the engineering aspects that made the game so fascinating would be lost, and it would essentially just be a space version of Crimson Skies.

If there were some local guys to play it with, maybe some of my clix buddies, I'd be interested. It would be tough to do that and keep doing HeroClix, though. It would be tempting.

I would much rather see that than a new Star Wars anything. I'm ready for Star Wars to die out for twenty years so it can be re-invented into something good again.

[Nitecralwer24]

trek-clix would be awesome, besides the fact that starships fight in space (three directions) so there would need to be something akin to... SOARING! lol, but i woldn't take it up, mabe trade for an enterprise 'fig' for my parents(trekies)

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

I voted, Uggh Trekkies. I actually like girls, don't speak Klingon, and I never, ever set my phaser to stun.

[pLiCk]

only if it where compatable to heroclix

[happyoptimistic88]

If NECA-Kids were to make a Star Trek clix game based around the old Starfleet Battles game would you be up for it?

I would go with Star Trek Clix figures, but not Starfleet Battles though.

[ahtitan]

It would be difficult to translate the allocation system to clix. I suppose if they could figure that out, it could be cool. Little clicky Birds of Prey would be awesome!

[CarlosMucha]

I would go with Star Trek Clix figures, but not Starfleet Battles though.

It could be like that game they have called "Sky..." something.

On that game were Pilots and planes, so "Pilots" and Ships could be all right.

I would buy it, But ey! I'm a Next Generation Trekie. :p

[madjap77]

only two types of people use phase-ers, steers and..., well you know the rest.

[spike1138]

Nah, I'll pass. I like Trek and thumbs up if WizKids/NECA does make it but I just don't have the time/patience to learn another game.

[invisibo]

On the whole, I think general interest in vehicle battles has been dwindling in terms of interest--It's why we've seen a lot of games die, because there's not a ton of interest in collectible games that strip the agency of an individual in favor of larger war scenarios. It's why Heroclix has been successful (interest in characters is primary) and is even the reason why the US Army's slogan is now "Army of One".

[WakandaMan]

If the game was designed well, I would totally be on board! :)

[Grumpygoat]

As a collectible game? No. If it was just a fixed set and maybe an expansion or two? Maybe. But, as said - I definitely wouldn't collect it like I do Heroclix.

[ArakisLSN]

I like the idea of a Star Fleet Battles game and I like the clix base. I'd be interested if the rules were good.

But I'm not sure I'd be happy to start buying another collectible game - I just don't have the cash to start buying blind boosters for another game.

I'd love to see some faction based action packs ideally balanced vs each other?

[Grumpygoat]

I voted, Uggh Trekkies. I actually like girls, don't speak Klingon, and I never, ever set my phaser to stun.

You do realize you're posting on an internet forum for a game about playing with little plastic superhero toys, yes? One that you've actually gone so far as to offer financial support to?

[WolvieFan9]

You do realize you're posting on an internet forum for a game about playing with little plastic superhero toys, yes? One that you've actually gone so far as to offer financial support to?


AND this from someone who claims to be a semi-professional video game player... LOL. OH, the Internet... if only our monitors were also mirrors...

[WolvieFan9]

It's why Heroclix has been successful (interest in characters is primary) and is even the reason why the US Army's slogan is now "Army of One".

Except of course our motto is now "Army Strong"... "Army of One" is so 2005.

[Azrael0626]

I'm not that into Star Trek and Heroclix takes enough of my money, so I would have to say no.

[ChiRocker]

I answered "By Grabthar's hammer I would!" not because I would, but because i would shout that as a blind answer to any question... now I need to go watch Galaxy Quest again =]

[Hero_guy]

I answered "By Grabthar's hammer I would!" not because I would, but because i would shout that as a blind answer to any question... now I need to go watch Galaxy Quest again =]

....My EXACT thoughts...

[spangdog]

As long as the sets are compatable with the heroclix, YES. You've already had a cross over in the comics with Marvel and Star Trek. So why not in heroclix. I'm not saying that it would be the best money maker out their. Although you do have Trek that would buy into it I'm sure.:d-indomitable:

[Manchine]

I wonder if some people don't realise that this is Ship Battles and not the characters.....

[MattMinus]

I don't see why you'd want to force a perfectly good existing game into the clix mechanic. I thought that MechWarrior suffered from that. Still don't understand why they didn't just give us prepainted plastic battletech instead of the weirdness we got.

[Norym]

I wonder if some people don't realise that this is Ship Battles and not the characters.....

You could spell it out complete with blinking neon graphs, diagrams and pictures and the majority of people would not notice or care.



I don't see why you'd want to force a perfectly good existing game into the clix mechanic. I thought that MechWarrior suffered from that. Still don't understand why they didn't just give us prepainted plastic battletech instead of the weirdness we got.

True. Hard to argue with logic and reason, but people do it all the time.

[MattMinus]

only if it where compatable to heroclix

I don't see Batman being able to fistfight a galaxy class starship, no matter how much time he had to plan.

[robes]

clix could potentially be a great way to put space battles on the gaming table. I was really soured on WotC Star Wars space mini game because the mechanics were far to simple to make it enjoyable. It was pretty much point and shoot. Since we will never see Star Wars in clix Star Trek would be a sufficient substitute.

[DarkBlueAnt]

Nope. I like Star Trek, but I wouldn't play this.

I think my main problem with this idea is that Star Trek (Any good Star Trek series anyway) is not about war or fighting. It's about exploration and intellectual expansion. A Star Trek game needs to constantly offer new Sci-fi experiences to be good. It would need to be a D&D game with a really, really good DM.

[Hellboy]

If it were a starship tactical battle game... yes I would.

I traded off my Star Wars starship battle collection because it was discontinued, but I wish I'd kept it. I had a complete set, but I traded it for a complete set of Legacy, so I guess it was a good trade, and I get a lot more play out of heroclix, but I wish I still had those SW starships.

If It were crewmen on away missions... I'm not so sure... Though I am interested in the Doctor Who minis game... If I could only get some without it destroying me! I really know how you overseas clix players feel now.

[elfholme]

Probably not. I'm not a big fan of Starfleet Battles; I prefer Federation Commander, which I think is the logical progression of the game (it's the latest version of SFB, and much simpler, though not "simple", by any means). I don't really see how a good clix game could be made out of SFB. I bought into both the Star Wars Miniatures ships game and Star Wars Pocketmodels, and while not clix games, neither could come close to capturing the thrill of ship-to-ship combat, IMO. And the scale issues are a real problem as well. The best thing about those games is that the SWM one gave us ships that could be used with Full Thrust to actually give FUN Star Wars miniature ship battles (http://webpages.charter.net/dervel/Full%20Thrust%20Star%20Wars.pdf)

IF they produced pre-painted ships that were to scale with SFB/Federation Commander ships, I *WOULD* buy them. But I'd buy them to use in FC.

[Norym]

I had found a conversion of Battle Fleet Gothic for Star Wars years ago and cannot find it now. Man I wish I had that.

[Puuka]

I believe if they are going to do a SFB game, it would involve the punch out cards like Pirates was.

[sphin]

Oh god, please no punch-out card ships... I want my spaceships in solid plastic!

[Marshal Law]

I cannot fathom how SFB could be represented in Clix form - it would be like trying to make orange juice out of tomatoes.

Basic concepts in SFB that would not fit well in current Clix models:

* Energy Allocation (configuring mobility over defense or offense or vice versa)
* Optimal Weapon Ranges (common max range, but different range vs effectiveness curves)
* Facing (direction the figure points to matters for offense, movement, and damage)

Concepts in SFB that would require a rethink of current Clix models:

* Turn Mode (ships cannot change direction at will, some are better at turning than others)
* Seeking Weapons (weapon shots don't immediately hit, but are board represented)

Concepts in SFB that would fit in current Clix models:

* Differing Robustness (high capability and low damage capacity vs the reverse)

[CarlosMucha]

If it were a starship tactical battle game... yes I would.

I traded off my Star Wars starship battle collection because it was discontinued, but I wish I'd kept it. I had a complete set, but I traded it for a complete set of Legacy, so I guess it was a good trade, and I get a lot more play out of heroclix, but I wish I still had those SW starships.

If It were crewmen on away missions... I'm not so sure... Though I am interested in the Doctor Who minis game... If I could only get some without it destroying me! I really know how you overseas clix players feel now.

It should be both.

I show this before, I CREATED a Game by HAND many years ago.

It was kinda a RPG when I did not knew anything about RPGs.

In the game you had your ships inside with your personal walking and fighting, the ships in 3D in the space with planets and all and a profile with the damage in the characters and ships:

http://s54.photobucket.com/albums/g90/cmucha/Star%20Trek%20RPG%20Aventuras/?action=view&current=dc5a.jpg

Later I did an update version working with my first computer:

http://s54.photobucket.com/albums/g90/cmucha/Star%20Trek%20RPG%20Aventuras/?action=view&current=b284.jpg#!oZZ4QQcurrentZZhttp%3A%2F%2Fs54.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fg90%2Fcmucha%2FStar%252 0Trek%2520RPG%2520Aventuras%2F%3Faction%3Dview%26current%3D58d9.jpg%26

http://s54.photobucket.com/albums/g90/cmucha/Star%20Trek%20RPG%20Aventuras/

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[Manchine]

I was actually thinking about this. Here is some ideas I came up with

1) A two sided click One Grouping for the front Forward attacks and one for the Rear attacks.

2) Clicks wouldn't be about taking damage. It would be about power allocation. You want more speed you would click it in one direction. It would look like this

Enterprise E
Shields: 8
Keywords: Federation
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The Front Click would be where the 10 attack is. The back click would be on the opposite with the 9 attack. You would have arcs of fire. Shields would take damage and 1 damage after the shields are down destroys the ship. Range would be a constant on all ships

[Terman8er]

You do realize you're posting on an internet forum for a game about playing with little plastic superhero toys, yes? One that you've actually gone so far as to offer financial support to?

BAH! You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Grumpygoat again.

Foiled again!

[DarkBlueAnt]

Carlos, that is so awesome. I wish I were old enough to do stuff like that at the time. All the people I know who would have played that kind of game with me have been spoiled by modern technology and are too impatient...
:(

[CarlosMucha]

Carlos, that is so awesome. I wish I were old enough to do stuff like that at the time. All the people I know who would have played that kind of game with me have been spoiled by modern technology and are too impatient...
:(

Thank you!

My group of 4-5 friends played like 20+ games full of adventures and great plots, they even dare to be the role masters sometimes with me as a player! We become better friends and 4 of them come to USA pushing to the rest to do the same.

We all have awesome memories from those nice times :)

You have to believe in what you do, some things are much fun than computer and last forever in the memory. If you can't convince a friend you can convince other friend eventually :)

[WolvieFan9]

Dang, this thread is going to make me pull out my Star Fleet Battles and Federation and Empire rulebooks again... and wish for someone to play those games with.

[CarlosMucha]

Dang, this thread is going to make me pull out my Star Fleet Battles and Federation and Empire rulebooks again... and wish for someone to play those games with.

How are the ships represented on that game??

[Manchine]

Back in the day I played these games. I wish I had people to play. =/

[CarlosMucha]

I can't find closer pics of this:

http://images.frpgames.com/products/product_27080.jpg