Taxiing someone with HSS/HSA and a mars bar

[Rake]

I am having a debate with a friend and we can't find anything to disprove my thoughts. The issue is this. I believe you are allowed to taxi someone, nightcrawler for example, up to an opponent and then do a hypersonic attack. My friend is arguing that I can't because nightcrawler has been moved physically and in the PAC (dc) it says 'if this character does not move'.

My argument is that nightcrawler hasn't received a token for moving, and it doesn't say that the figure with the HSS/HSA ability needs to start the turn adjacent to an opponent figure to use HSA.

My friend is so confident he has bet a mars bar on it. He is yet to prove me wrong and is holding off due to the fact that he hasn't seen a ruling by a judge on HCRealms (I think there was a thread with a response by funkyjett, but my friend wouldn't accept this).

So...if double_a or Tsannik or any other judges are out there, could you reply to this thread and set us straight...I want my mars bar ####it!!!

[Funky Jett]

I heard my name mentioned!

(psst -- you're right)

:)

[Funky Jett]

Now, the reason you're right is EXACTLY as you stated. NC has been TAXIED, but he has not MOVED. This means he has not received a movement token.

Taxi passengers do not receive an action token for being a passenger. Only when they do something themselves.

[grubby91]

and also nightcrawler hasnt really moved at all since its the taxier whos moving him

[Cabbage]

As one of the party's involved in the bet I should like to point out that there was another person involved..... Cakeboy.

Also, a figure that goes from point A to point B has technically been moved, although he has not been given a move action (by being taxied or TK'ed). He is no longer in his original position, therefore, by definition, he has moved. Anyway, I have no wish to get into Somantics, especially in the HC Forums.

[Funky Jett]

The rules say that to differentiate between the "move-hit-move" attack and the "stand there and pummel him" attack.

You cannot move in on your own power then use the pummel attack. It's either the first type (move-hit-move) or the second (punching bag).

Cabbage, if you have no wish to be involved in semantics, then try to understand what people are saying in their replies. Enough people have explained about movement TOKENS, so it should be clear.

[Cabbage]

Funky Jett - I've only been playing HC since it was released, so how can you possibly expect me to have figured out how tokens and moves work? I mean on one had the rules say the 'figure does not move, but give him a token' but on the other hand it says the figure can do something if he does not move. But as I said, I am not getting inovlved in semantics (see I spelt that right!), nor am I disputing how moves/actions/turns/tokens work. My second paragraph was supposed to be a very, very subtle attempt at humour, perhaps too subtle for some. Semantics.... HC Realms..... get it?!?!

Also, Rakeboy has to get his facts straight, although I did disagree with him about this issue, it was because I was 99.9% sure that a Judge had previously said you could not carry in Hypersonic Dude then do the bash, belt, crunch, biff, whap, slap, mush attack (that is the no move Hypersonic Attack).

[malchyor]

yeah, dumb question and obvious answer. funny that they claim it's not about semantics, cuz that's what the entire thing is about.....

[Cabbage]

Malchyor - Did you actually read the entire thread, or just pick on the words you could understand? Clearly, posts longer than one sentence, or that contain subtle attempts at humour (TWICE) are going to cause you some difficulty.

To recap, and I'll try to use words that contain 2 syllables, I was sure that I had read in HC Realms a Judge say you could not be carried, then use the multi-Hypersonic Attack. That is all. The bet was whether my memory was good enough or not. I lost, and now I (and Cakeboy) have to cough up a ####ed Mars Bar. On the bright side, at least Rakeboy will have had two square meals for the week.

It would not be the first time, and nor will it be the last time, that a decision is made by a Judge which contradicts another ruling, or actually causes more blurring of particular rules ie Outwit vs Stealth, Perplex vs RCE/CCE/Support etc etc. That is just the way the game works.... it is definitely a work in progress. It also gives me something to think about when at work :)

[Cabbage]

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[Funky Jett]

Originally posted by Cabbage
To recap, and I'll try to use words that contain 2 syllables, I was sure that I had read in HC Realms a Judge say you could not be carried, then use the multi-Hypersonic Attack. That is all. The bet was whether my memory was good enough or not. I lost, and now I (and Cakeboy) have to cough up a ####ed Mars Bar. On the bright side, at least Rakeboy will have had two square meals for the week.

I believe what was said that is causing you the confusion was concerning OWAW Superman. He may not taxi someone during his HSS move-hit-move attack. That ruling has been posted here a few times and it is probably the one you are thinking of.

[FanBoy13]

I'm still trying to get the really subtle humour...

Originally posted by Cabbage
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"My second paragraph was supposed to be a very, very subtle attempt at humour, perhaps too subtle for some. Semantics.... HC Realms..... get it?!?!"

Nope. I don't get it.

[Tsannik]

Is there an issue here still?

You all pretty much seem to have gotten this down... don't know how it got buried... but anyways...

A figure with Hypersonic Speed and Flight cannot carry another Figure and make a ranged or close combat attack during their movement. This character may move through squares adjacent to opposing characters and never needs to break away.

A figure with Hypersonic Speed can be carried and then utilize its Hypersonic Continuous attack.

[Rake]

Thanks for the replies everyone.

@Fanboy13: Semantics - The meaning or the interpretation of a word, sentence, or other language form.

I think some of the rules for this game are really dumb and it's purely because some people look too far into the meaning of the words in the PAC/FAQ instead of how the game and some of the associated rules are or were originally designed.

Let me quickly digress and say that I have been playing this game from day dot and thoroughly enjoy it and have accepted all rulings and play by aforementioned rules, so don't waste your breath flaming me with stuff like "if you don't like it don't play!" sort of guff.

Anyway the best example as Cabbage pointed out is stealth and outwit. You can't outwit someones powers if they are stealthed in hindering terrain when you are b2b. How dumb is that? Anyway...that one has been debated to death...we know it's dumb, but the Outwit definition has the wording "clear line of fire" and Stealth by definition negates lines of fire.

end rant.

Thanks again, except Malchyor - I never claimed it was not about semantics, so I suggest you brush up on your grammar...'they' is a plural reference, not singular.