Serpent Society and Morlocks...Did they take one in the shorts

[IceHot]

From the new Player's Guide...

To be honest I am not sure what is going on here. The Serpent Society still has an entry as a TA in the Golden Age PG.

(but not in the Modern Age PG - perhaps the difference)

Perhaps I am reading too much into this, but it seems unclear and somewhat implied by the ATA that the Serpent Society no longer has a TA unless they use the ATA Serpent Society.

Is this what is meant by this TA or is it just a way to protect them from paying too much for the ATA by including fringe members?

If I field a pure Serpent Society Team with the printed Team Symbol (as opposed to the ATA) can I use a different ATA and still have access to phasing from the original TA?

[Munchoboy]

From the new Player's Guide...

To be honest I am not sure what is going on here. The Serpent Society still has an entry as a TA in the Golden Age PG.

(but not in the Modern Age PG - perhaps the difference)

Perhaps I am reading too much into this, but it seems unclear and somewhat implied by the ATA that the Serpent Society no longer has a TA unless they use the ATA Serpent Society.

From the Players Guide thread (and in response to your post there actually):

Both the Morlock and Serpent Society TAs are still in the player's guide. If the symbol is on their base, they can use the TA.

The point of the dual cost on the ATAs is if you were playing Sidewinder (who has the TA) with, say, Blanche Stizxnski (who does not have the TA), you would only have to pay for Blanche.

Is this what is meant by this TA or is it just a way to protect them from paying too much for the ATA by including fringe members?

Emphasis mine. That's my take.

If I field a pure Serpent Society Team with printed TA team can I use a different ATA and still have access to phasing from the original TA?

Sure, why not? But does such an ATA exist?

[IceHot]

A follow up question....does the old Serpent Society TA exist as a Marvel TA in Modern Age (that can be chosen by T-Bolts in a Modern Age game?)

[normalview]

A follow up question....does the old Serpent Society TA exist as a Marvel TA in Modern Age (that can be chosen by T-Bolts in a Modern Age game?)

That's a good question. It is clearly a Marvel TA (Marvel characters possess it), but since it isn't listed as "Marvel" in the PG or on any current Marvel PAC, it would be diffcult to proove to someone who wasn't familiar with the characters.

Hmm... something to bring up in the Deputy Cave ;)

[Crow]

A follow up question....does the old Serpent Society TA exist as a Marvel TA in Modern Age (that can be chosen by T-Bolts in a Modern Age game?)

This is just my opinion, but it looks like they're gone - otherwise what's the point of giving out an ATA that has 0 cost for these folks? They still possess the symbol, but for all intents and purposes it doesn't do anything.

The bad news is that with only one ATA allowed per force, having one of these guys on your team will mean you have to eat your one ATA giving them a power they already should have had.

[IceHot]

Sure, why not? But does such an ATA exist?
Apparently not yet...but there is always the possibility down the road of getting an Eel or Black Mamba and a MoE ATA.

(ty for the response)

[Munchoboy]

Apparently not yet...but there is always the possibility down the road of getting an Eel or Black Mamba and a MoE ATA.


That would be awesome!

(ty for the response)

No prob dude!

[IceHot]

This is just my opinion, but it looks like they're gone - otherwise what's the point of giving out an ATA that has 0 cost for these folks? They still possess the symbol, but for all intents and purposes it doesn't do anything.

The bad news is that with only one ATA allowed per force, having one of these guys on your team will mean you have to eat your one ATA giving them a power they already should have had.

After posting this I thought of the example which I am pretty sure NormalView was refering to....

You could play R Viper (going way back) and Asp. Asp has the old Team Symbol but Viper only has the Serpent Squad keyword....

Thus in theory you could add the SS ATA to give Viper essentially phasing for a few extra points and not have to pay the penalty because Asp is also on your team.

However that would eat up your one ATA.

Where as if you just fielded Asp and Citzen V you could still use the T-Bolts ATA and still fall back on the SS Team Symbol (TA) for Golden Age events....

at least thats what I gather from NormalViews/Munchoboys response.

[Tarnish]

Right now I don't think that any figure that has the Serpent Society symbol qualifies for any other Alt team ability anyway. The only figs with other keywords are:
R Princess Python with Circus of Crime
E,V Princess Python, E Asp, and R,E Anaconda with Femizons
E Anaconda with Six Pack

Until we see a Femizons, Six pack, or Circus of Crime keyword alt TA it's not a factor.

Since you can only use 1 Alt TA though this might matter in the future.

Are figures that have the SS symbol "using" the alt TA and not able to use another one?

If a Team has R Viper (SS keyword and no symbol) and R Princess Python (symbol and Keyword) and uses the alt TA.... Does R PP use it and thus not be eligible for a snazzy new Circus of Crime Alt TA as well?

Tarnish

[Crow]

After posting this I thought of the example which I am pretty sure NormalView was refering to....

You could play R Viper (going way back) and Asp. Asp has the old Team Symbol but Viper only has the Serpent Squad keyword....

Thus in theory you could add the SS ATA to give Viper essentially phasing for a few extra points and not have to pay the penalty because Asp is also on your team.

However that would eat up your one ATA.

Where as if you just fielded Asp and Citzen V you could still use the T-Bolts ATA and still fall back on the SS Team Symbol (TA) for Golden Age events....

at least thats what I gather from NormalViews/Munchoboys response.

Ahh, I understand - you're saying that the 0 point-cost exception is there only to NOT penalize you when you bring in keyworders who don' t have the symbol onto a team including guys who DO have it (in other words, so you don't end up paying more for a redundant ability).

Got it. In that light, maybe the TA symbols are still real TA's in the Marvel universe.

[Puuka]

Hmm... something to bring up in the Deputy Cave ;)

There you go bringing stuff "up" in the deputy cave. Next thing you know you'll have Thugits ex in there

[Quebbster]

Right now I don't think that any figure that has the Serpent Society symbol qualifies for any other Alt team ability anyway. The only figs with other keywords are:
R Princess Python with Circus of Crime
E,V Princess Python, E Asp, and R,E Anaconda with Femizons
E Anaconda with Six Pack

Until we see a Femizons, Six pack, or Circus of Crime keyword alt TA it's not a factor.

Since you can only use 1 Alt TA though this might matter in the future.

Are figures that have the SS symbol "using" the alt TA and not able to use another one?

If a Team has R Viper (SS keyword and no symbol) and R Princess Python (symbol and Keyword) and uses the alt TA.... Does R PP use it and thus not be eligible for a snazzy new Circus of Crime Alt TA as well?

Tarnish

It might matter when you play a Femizon team and want to T-bolt R Songbird.
Fortunately that works just fine since all Serpent Society Femizons happen to have the team symbol. :)

[Tarnish]

It might matter when you play a Femizon team and want to T-bolt R Songbird.
Fortunately that works just fine since all Serpent Society Femizons happen to have the team symbol. :)

Sigh, with all this talk about them I'll have to go play (and lose) with a Femizon team this weekend.

Tarnish

[Quebbster]

Sigh, with all this talk about them I'll have to go play (and lose) with a Femizon team this weekend.

Tarnish

I played a Femizons theme team once.
Once.
[/johnnydangerously]

It was fun and did OK... V Vertigo was very lucky though.

[Uberman]

A follow up question....does the old Serpent Society TA exist as a Marvel TA in Modern Age (that can be chosen by T-Bolts in a Modern Age game?)

I'd say no. It's not on the PAC, so it's not a TA. It is listed as an ATA, so it's an ATA.

[normalview]

I'd say no. It's not on the PAC, so it's not a TA. It is listed as an ATA, so it's an ATA.

It is listed as a TA in the player's guide, though. By this PAC reasoning, B.P.R.D., Kabuki, Top Cow, and all the other Indy TAs haven't been TAs for years ;)

[Tarnish]

I played a Femizons theme team once.
Once.
[/johnnydangerously]

It was fun and did OK... V Vertigo was very lucky though.

"Pssst. Quebster rapped on a tarnished junk plow."
"Quebster's post got repped by Tarnish just now?"
"That's not what I said!"
"Yeah but I know this grapevine...."


Tarnish

[ManiacClown]

Did we ever get a final answer on if Morlocks and Serpent Society are Thunderboltable, or did this just kind of fall by the wayside?

[Captain Krueger]

Since they are no longer regular TA (see the latest PG), they cannot be chosen by Thunderbolts users.