Concern over the purity of the game.

[sierralegend]

In one thread somewhere in Marvel forum made me realized that the purity of the game is getting cluttered like a street in Gothman.

I wrote one reply in Marvel forum ( and revise it here to put up a better discussion):

I know that I have Spider Man icon but I am the DC clix fan... Marvel and DC mixing is NOT appealling . It is no better than reading "Superman vs Spiderman" DC and Marvel team up special. I would be sick to my stomach.

ALSO other thing is not appealling is use two or sosame characters in a team (Even a V batman teams up with R Batman is NOT appealling to me who understands the purity over just a week learning this great game). I never read any Batman Decetive with two or so Batmans in the stories other than Joker s jokes.

If you want to prompt the higher standard in the Hero Clix community. Keep it pure by not cluttering trashs in the purity of the game.

Thank you who do wants to keep this game pure.

--- So the point is that we need to watch over the purity of the game. There re enough clutters in Major League Baseball, NFL and NBA. We the Clixs fans can take the advantage of learning the history of other organizations.

You who wants to keep the game pure or/and have a pure heart will see what I am trying to say.

Spidey Yours, Steve

[Comte]

What is more pure than having fun?

That is the point of this game, at least to my understanding. It is to have fun isn't it? I think so, and in a verbal agreement made by everyone in our play group we also beleive that is the case. We also think that mixing marvel and DC is fun. We don't do it to be cheesy, heck none of us have even tried the Ultorn/robin combonaiton that we thought of. There is lots of laughture and lots of memoies, despite the impurity of the mixing of marvel and DC. Still as long as we have fun it is okay.

If you and your play group don't want to mix the sets, that's okay. If you want to join us just ask nicely. We will even not mix the sets.

We don't allow dupes because we find it uncreative and boring. Or to put it in terms of this post Unfun. That's nothing against anyone who likes dupes that's just the way we paly the game.

I think part of the beauty of this game is that we don't all have to agree. You can play your way and I can play mine and we can both be happy. Wizkids even recognizes this when they allowed house rules into the tournaments. This allows the game to be tweaked as the comunity sees fit.

The question of purity is really irelevent as long as we enjoy ourselves. It is, after all, just a game.

[sierralegend]

Comtes...

You had said it very well. Fun is number one priority in any klind of game.
You have to understand that I and some others re hardcore comic readers and who tinkers with detials with DC and Marvels universe and call those characters in the first name basis.
I can use Major League Baseball as a good example. I hate it when one AL team play vs NL team. NL doesnt have designed hitter as wussy AL does. So wussy pitchers in AL will have a better rest and doesnt have to be at the bat and face pitches. NL pitchers wil have to be the men and face the pitches. That s why AL had won more World Series. The reason is AL have one more better hitter in their lineup. NL usually did not estiabled the team to play with DH. When AL win All-Star Game so I will know that one of AL team will win the World Series in same year. (The idea will starts this summer, a bad idea). AL always being hitting oriented game while NL always being pitching oriented.
Marvel (with more powerful and flashy hitters)= American League
DC (with lesser powerful and more expesnive characters, but more real )= National League

How will you have fun with unbalanced game?

Spidey Yours

[Ghost_Rider]

I agree with having no duplicates. However, mixing DC and Marvel is another story. Somebody on another thread was complaining about mixing, saying that it should be s####ped altogether. Many of us like mixing. If you don't like it, then don't mix. But just because somebody doesn't like something doesn't mean it should be ruined for the rest of us.

Ghost

[TheLion]

And again we see the "no mixing" argument.

If you don't want to mix then don't. Build your teams with the Marvel and DC set and play. If your group likes to mix, then just play the team you want, you don't have to.

But, saying the two shouldn't mix is a lame argument, and places you in the category of the posters who can't figure out a way to effectively play against a certain character, strategy, or set. Most comic collectors want to mix to add another dimension to the game.

Personally, I like to have my skill tested by mixed teams, and play a non-mixed team against it. But then again, I'm not looking for the easy win that most players on this board seem to be after. They keep forgetting that building a team is a small part of the game. Playing the team effectively is crucial to winning.

As far as purity of the game goes, mixing MW or MK would hurt the purity of the game, but Marvel and DC use the same rules and are compatible sets.

[shin-goji]

Man, next you're going to tell me that my DC Hero-Clix can't drink from the same water fountans as my Marvel Hero-Clix.

We shall overcome.

[Ghost_Rider]

Exactly. I could see if tournaments were always mixed, but the truth is mixed tournaments rarely happen. It's always one or the other, and if it so happens that a judge decides to run a mixed tournament, you aren't forced to go.

Ghost

[jolt]

there's only one game (HeroClix) with one set of rules. I know that comic collectors see a big difference but just as a game, it's all the same. I agree with some of the points stated here and not with others but ultimately, everyone has to decide how they want to play and get the most fun out of it. "Purity" isn't even an issue.

On another note, the baseball analogy didn't work for me because I always thought it was joke and a travesty to have pitchers bat.

jolt

[sierralegend]

jolt,

On another note, the baseball analogy didn't work for me because
jolt

Too bad, the analogy of baseball did work, does it make difference in the game when ptichers would have to bat up? When you did say, " I always thought it was joke and a travesty to have pitchers bat. " So therefore there re the difference between NL and AL (therefore again, so Marvel, and DC too)

Spidey Yours

[Comte]

How to have fun with an unbalnced game? I don't think that matters. It is the fact that we do have fun is what is important. Besides when your blue beatle managed to knock Dr. Doom into a wall causeing him to loose his mastermind clicks you feel good about yourself.

Specificly the reason why we mix figgures is that it is interesting to see how certain hero's and villians end up working together over a whole spectrum of universes. It dosn't even matter to us that we don't know who the hero is, for us it is more of how they look and what they do. Blue Beatle is the perfect example. None of us knows who he is but he is always in just about every game just because we love him. He can also be bloody effective on the indoor maps.

I think I will end this by saying that you are obviously intelegent. I think we could go back and forth on this for an extended length of time but ultimatly we would achieve nothing because we inherently disagree. YOu are a comic pureist and I don't even know who blue beatle is. This is fine though because we can still play the same game and discuss stradigys any time.

[FanBoy13]

sierralegend:

What makes you qualified to comment on the "purity" of this game? How do you know what's pure and not pure?

Luckily, this is only a silly tabletop game we're talking about, because in any other context, such talk only makes me think of guys in pointy white hoods, or perhaps Germany from 1933-1945.

But like I said, we're only talking about a game here. That's all we're talking about.

[Richard]

Sierrralegend, I am not even sure what you are saying here:

"Too bad, the analogy of baseball did work, does it make difference in the game when ptichers would have to bat up? When you did say, " I always thought it was joke and a travesty to have pitchers bat. " So therefore there re the difference between NL and AL (therefore again, so Marvel, and DC too) "

I read it over a couple of times and think you want to say that the AL and NL play the same game but, play it differently. Maybe that is so but using the analogy of Baseball with Purity just doesn't work.

I'm from the school of two divisions, one playoff series and then the World Series. The AL only meets the NL during the regular season for the All-Star game where the field that the game is played on determines the use or non use of the DH rule (the series I believe goes back and forth every year using and not). But there are others who want to go back to one division in the AL and one in the NL. And baseball in Los Angeles? Why bother? Purity remains in the eye of the beholder. This is true in baseball and in Clix. Some mix and some don't. That's why there are house rules everywhere you go. At least that's not true in baseball.

Besides, Marvel is far from flashier and more powerful (in my opinion) than DC. Look at Batman's team ability and Green Lantern's. Or look at OWAW Superman. Their numbers may be lower but sheer power belongs to DC. I play Clix with a guy that made a team of what I considered second string DC villains and faced them off against our then dominate team of Marvel villains and beat him to death (and quickly). Another eye of the beholder thing I guess.

Sorry that I rambled but Baseball and Clix are passions. The AL should always win (except for the Yankees) and I do still think that interleague play is more like a "Freak Show" and not baseball. Again, just my opinion.

[MikeHintze]

My personal opinion, is that I want my clix teams to make sense. I'm a comic fan, and hate it when in a themed tournament (for example) I make a JLA team and my opponent has V Batman (as his part of said JLA theme), Darkseid, Gorilla Grodd and Parasite as a powerhouse team...Batman working with them does not make sense. I'll even team up Marvel and DC, but Dr. Doom. Ultron and Superman make no sense. Yes, they're a powerhouse team, but character wise they're stupid. Anyone can make a team that can beat anyone...that's a no brainer. The challenge is in making a successful team that makes some sort of logical sense.

But the beauty of this game is that I can think this way...and you can play how you want, too. Purists can think 'purity', the rest of us can have fun how we want. Everyone wins. If only real life worked this way...

[The Red Raider]

Why NOT mix and match?? How could that possibly be "impure"?
After all, the whole goal of comics is enjoyment, so it's up the individual to interpret what is enjoyable.

For me, I LOVE Marvel and DC mixed teams... I'm a Die-hard DC fan, and rarely have had much love for Marvel, but it just makes it fun to make mixed teams. I'd love to get a few more characters out to make recreations of certain team-ups... To do that, I need Jubilee for Robin, Silver Surfer and Kyle Rayner, and Wonder Woman and Storm.

I do however agree that having multiple versions of the same character doesn't make sense in any way... and it really shows a lack of imagination, not to mention being too lazy to find a differnt character that can offer the same things you want on your team.

Do as you will, make it enjoyable for yourself, but to say people are ruining the game or making it Impure by mixing and matching is ridiculous, and forcing views on others. Do what's right for you, have fun!

[USAgent]

If theres one thing ive learned in my 18 years of comic book reading and table top role playing various comic book style games its this. Marvel and DC are like p-nut butter and jelly. Jelly is sweet and sugary and what not, and p-nut butter is thick and a bit more strong than jelly, either one on its own has a great flavor but put the two together and you get something that cant be found anywhere else. I am not a huge DC fan, i like Etrigan, Batman, Spectre GL and a few others and thats all, compared to Marvel of which i read almost anything from Marvel. Not oly do most fans now realize that the two are perfect for eachother but so does the companies. They are both out to sell books and entertain, if they can do it together then great. The same goes for the game cause wether you like to admit it, Batman, Daredevil, Punisher, Nightwing and Spider-Man is a team made in heaven. same goes for Superman, Thor, Silver Surfer and Captain America. They compliment one another like nobodies business. So to those who say don't mix the game and keep it pur, i say read more comics and truly find out how in order to be pure they have to mix. DC is great and all but it would be nothing without Marvel and Marvel is great as well but would be nothing without DC.

[skeevo666]

Pure fun

Pure comic book "realism" (perhaps recreation is a better word)

Pure victory in a tourny



as the kids say: they're all good!

[Westermeyer]

When I first started I wanted all teams to be hero or villain, and DC or Marvel because it fit the comics better. But after just a session or three I was over that. Though I don't really like Marvel comics, and collect mostly DC (I have 7 Marvel out of 60+ figs) I am glad to play against my buddies Marvel teams, if only for variety. DC has only the one set out right now, and especially for villains it seems to be a bit repetitive. In fact, i haven't been able to put together a solid Villain team yet (my Joker team works okay in doors, but gets slaughtered in the open). On the other hand, my Batman/Spiderman team (DC/Marvel mix) and my JLA team (all DC) seem to do really well, even against powerhouse Marvel teams like the Brotherhood of Mutants.

So for me, the mixed thing makes the game more fun, though I really can't wait to get the new DC expansion set. I want Green Arrow so I can complete my JLA 2nd Stringer team:)

[Mjolnir]

I never mix heroes and bad guys together...The idea of Thor and OWAW Superman is a tremendous team... if you got the points.
But Superman and Dr Doom? nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[shin-goji]

Anytime someone starts talking about the purity of anything, I keep looking over my shoulder for the ethnic cleansing squads.

Get over yourself, it's a game.

[tyroclix]

I have to agree with some of the other posters. The real reason I got into this gave was simply because the DC and Marvel versions were playable with each other. I've been reading comics since 1986 and the only way to get my super-hero fix was through the Marvel Super Heroes game from TSR. After I had a huge collection of heroes from Marvel,I checked out the DC game out at the time - but there was no way to kink the two without massive amounts of re-working. So I stuck to Marvel and then obsessively tweaked the hero stats to match them to the Marvel Universe series. Yes I have a problem.

Then along came Hero Clix...

Now I can create a team of my favorites:

Rogue, Wolvie, The Flash, and Batman can battle for the fate of the universe - or at least to defeat my brother (who loves them strong guys. Thor, Superman, Hercules, Hulk, etc...). This is what the game was designed for - to be fun. That is why there are a number of characters I don't have - simply because I am not interested in them. You will never see me with a Hercules or a R Black Panther. Nor will I ever use Rookie Vulture. I didn't spend 150 bucks in heroes to field 2 rookie Vultures, an Aim Medic, SHIELD Medic, and Firelord.

Maybe I'll lose, maybe I won't - but Daredevil, Captain America, Flash, and the upcoming Storm will all be staples on my team. Luckily I've really only played with my own friends - which has allowed us to play a game we all can appreciate.

And what could be more Pure than that?
________
buy extreme vaporizer (http://vaporizers.net/extreme-vaporizer)

[shin-goji]

Good show!

[DoomsDay74]

Wow do people in here take this game so serious. One thing I havent heard anyone mention is IMAGINATION. When you read a comic thats the one thing that makes it most important to enjoy. Same with Clix. Mixing DC and Marvel is a way to enjoy limitless imagination where seperating the two seems like putting rules on imagination. Anyways I also never understood how you can only just buy DC or only just buy Marvel. You should enjoy a comic for the art , story, or character not just who made it.

[Byrdie]

Am I the only one here who thoroughly enjoys crossovers?
Man, I haven't had more fun than reading Crisis on Infinite Earths ever (at least when it comes to reading comics).
And inter-company crossovers are the greatest! Don't tell me you didn't like the Marvel vs. DC series, or the Batman/Spider-Man crossovers. Those were great, because they combined heroes that you never expected to see working together (and the Joker/Carnage mix was a natural). Okay, Superman/Spider-Man was... inadequate, but they were trying.

That's what I enjoy most about HeroClix: being able to combine "the best of two worlds". I don't think I would have bought a single booster if it hadn't been for the possibility to put Flash and Quicksilver side by side. It's just fun.
And, coming back to this thread's title, it's the purest thing I've ever felt: just pure fun. And now you're trying to tell me what I feel is evil... *sniff*

No, really, let everyone enjoy the game as they envision it. If it includes crossovers (my games certainly will), good. If not, as well (but you're missing out on something).

P.S.: No dupes, though.

[bizarrome]

First let me say that I play mostly with my daughter and my best friend. But as far as comics purity is concerned here is the low down.

1. Marvel and DC have been doing crosovers since the 1970's. I recall and have a copy of a story where Superman and Spiderman battled the Parasite and Dr. Doom. Doom was using the Parasite to remove superman and his (The Parasites's) body would be broken down into a crystaline energy source that doom planned to use to take over the world. This story also included brief appearances that turned into key plot twists in the story of the Hulk and Wonder Woman. Spiderman was the wildcard and the parasite absorbed some of spidey's abilities and his new "Spider Sense" warned him of danger in time to prevent doom from succeeding. So in my book crossing over has been a main stay in most of my 31 years of reading and comic collecting. So to say that mixing themis wrong is rediculous. (I am 35)

Also how many times have kids played with action figures that cross over. My Mego Aquaman, Superman, Batman & Robin, and Shazam guys regularly teamed with my G.I. Joes and My Amazing Spiderman and Incredible HUlk Mego dolls. The Joker, Riddler, and Penquin often outwitted them all and left them perplexed.

2. I recall hundreds of stories where the Superman of earth-1 teamed with the Superman of earth-2 and the same for Batman, Aquaman, and many others. I also remember stories from the silver age where the Invaders (Captain America's WWII Team) Battled the Avengers (Captain America's team after the suspended animation). So having heroes battle heroes isn't new. Heck even the X-men faced off against the Avengers once and Captain America and Nick Fury and Shield another time. Just a few years ago John Byrne put out a book for DC and Marvel Teaming the Golden age Batman & Robin with the WWII Captain America & Bucky.... It was Great!! Anyone remember the classic JLA/JSA Cross-overs?? They battled each other for various reasons and one anothers villains....

The Swordsman (A Marvel Villain) was once a member of the Avengers. The Thing fought a younger version of himself in Marvel-Two-In-One #50, and he teamed with a Human version of himself in Marvel-Two-In-One #100 against the Red Skull and his New Nazi's in a post-apocalyptic parrallel universe.

Superman has an evil double called Ultraman from the pre-crisis earth-3. so how hard is it to think that he could have other parallel duplicates or that he is being controlled by someone like in the current Batman storyline. (Check out the issue that comes out on Wednesday of Batman) Or that an evil duplicate of him has been created... Ever hear of Red Kryptonite or the duplicator ray that created Bizarro. Also in the silver age Superman had robot versions of himself to help protect his secret ID and protect earth if he was away.

When I read sierralegend's post, at first was angry... And then it got me thinking how Heroclix is like the Silver age and Bronze age of comics... Imaginative and exciting to read/play,,,, It's just the poor fellows that are trapped in the quagmire of the current comic racks without the solid base of a long history that are lost in the opinionated ignorance of unimagination....

As my daughters favorite cartoon character said. "It's all about imagination." - Spongebob Square-pants to Squidward....

Bwaa Haaa Haa Haaaaaaaa..................

[Byrdie]

@bizarrome:
Funny that you should mention the Superman/Spider-Man crossover with Dr. Doom and the Parasite, because I had been reading it just a couple of minutes ago.

Weird.

[bizarrome]

I hope you enjoyed that book. With it's unpure approach to villains from different publishers teaming up and double crossing one another. And the heroes working together to put an end to the evil plot that was unfolding... (Sarcasim)

Hmmmm... couldn't it be the same as when the U.S.A., Great Britain, France, Russia, and others teamed up against Hitler, Tojo, and Mussalini?? The purpose to thwart evil and end oppression. They were from different cultures and backgrounds, and that was before comics were even translated into those other languages.

That reminds me of another band of characters from many different backgrounds... The Half-breed (Saracsim he's half human/half atlantean) Sub-Mariner, The Human Torch (An android who isn't even alive but looks human how demeaning to the human rach... again sarcasim), Toro (Who was once under the Mad thinker's control and he and the Torch were once brainwashed by Hitler's scientists. And Toro is a mutant too.. oh no! once again, sarcasim) Captain America and Bucky (Oh my goodness Toro and Bucky were minors) Spitfire and Ms. America (Woman too... oh my goodness), and the Whizzer (He and Ms. America once belonged to another team how could they leave the Liberty Legion??) so these nine heroes fought the Axis powers during WWII and teamed together to be an Invasion and homefront defense team dubbed the INVADERS!! by Winston Churchill.... Heroes that are an invasion force?? Now where in world history have I seen that??

I could go on like this for hours, but I think the point is obvious. So let's just say... Okay Axis, Here We Come!!!

(For those of you don't know that was the Invaders battle cry... I should know I have every appearance they ever made. Four books are just reading copies and all the others are NM. I am a huge Captain America Fan so to me the Invaders are as great as all the old Avengers... )

Avengers... Avenge... Hmmm... Let's not go there.....

[Aron]

Just thought I'd adress the point about Batman not having ever fought or teamed up with himself...

two things spring to mind:

1 the short period when azrael and batman were both batman and were working to protect the city (even though azrael had a different outfit after a while)

2 not sure if it appears in the actual comics (probably OLD ones pre 60s even), but in the TV series batman has his identity stolen and a robotic duplicate created by Hardak.

Not to mention DC used to be pretty free with time travel, and future/past versions of certain characters (superboy/superman anyone?) appearing in different continuities alongside themselves (flash can run so fast that he can appear in the past or future and fight alongside himself, superman can as well etc) not to mention bizarro etc as others have mentioned.

Btw the Spiderman/Superman crossover was alright - Spidey bats was a bit more fun. (and I admit to enjoying crossovers in general, not just with Marvel/DC but with other comic books and other universes - altho Punisher/Archie and Star Trek/X men were plain weird)

[sierralegend]

it is really hilarious when you mentioned the cross over between punisher and archie...

aron wrotes:
Btw the Spiderman/Superman crossover was alright - Spidey bats was a bit more fun. (and I admit to enjoying crossovers in general, not just with Marvel/DC but with other comic books and other universes - altho Punisher/Archie and Star Trek/X men were plain weird)


----Haha funny huh?----

Being a gentleman, last night my friend and I decided to give cross-over game (ha it sounds like cross-dresser) between flashy Marvels and crafty DC. Sure enough that it never had started. We agreed that Marvels figures do have the higher ratio, the power to points than DC figures do. We end up with about 80 percents Marvels figures on the game map. We agreed that we won't have fun with badly designed Firelord, and Cyclops, and other flawed Marvel figures. We decided to stick with well planned and better verison hero clix, DC.

Ultimately, I dont want to be proncouned with cross-dresser. And I will have to stand my feet for the purity of the game. One day you will thanks for me to keep the game's purity sense in the game. You know, Larry Bird had left Ind. Univeristy before enroll to Ind. State University, when he was at home, he worked as garbage man, picking up the trash cans in French Lick, his home town. He quoted,"someone have to do the thankless job."

To be more clear, I do love all comics, Marvels, DC, Image, Dark Horse, Asterix, Tintin, and some undergrounds comic. If you want to go the World Best Comic shop. You can find it on University Ave. (intersection street is Shattuck) Berkeley. It called Comic Relief. Smile. I just want to keep the game pure.

Want to do the homework? Do some math on Marvels figures and DC figures' power to points ratio. It is completely okay to play Marvels herolixs as long as it keeps pure by not playing with DC.


Spidey Yours

[Nickel97]

I'm still lost as to what you mean by "pure." If you mean the legal aspect/ official wizkids line (i.e. Marvel and DC Heroclix are separate *wink, wink, nudge, nudge* games with the same rules system, and you can't legally mix them), then you can play in only official wizkids tournaments. Of course then you run the risk of people that play duplicates or team up good guys and bad guys(which are totally legal) which pollutes the "purity" of the comic continuity.

The opposite is true. House rules (which are permitted by wizkids) go against the purity of the original rules, which are clear as mud in many cases (though they are doing a pretty good job trying to clarify them).

The game wasn't intended to be a system to generate "historical" reenactments of your favorite comic book. It was designed to be a collectible miniatures game featuring figures based on (to some degree) well-known properties of the Marvel and DC comic companies. Play it however your group wants to, follow the rules in the context in which you find yourself playing, have fun with it, and give money to the company that makes it. That's what the game is for.

[phantom1592]

I love crossing over games. The whole point of this game imo. I also don't understand the feuding between the marvel readers and the DC readers. When I was a young'un I didn't look at the company who made a book before I bought it. they were all cool. i admit that based on characters I still buy more Marvel at the moment but that will change witht the writers.

As for Doubles. We allow as many thugs and Sheild agents as you want to play on a team. they have no name. As for heroes you can only have one on your team. Unless you repaint them. A rookie Captain America is U.S.Agent. You can have Agent and Cap on one team. My friend has a red superman (never got OWAW) so that's the only one we need. I now have a Blue captain marvel, a blue Black adam, a yellow Bizzaro who points willing could all be on the same team.

While I don't use good guys/badguys on a team, I haven't ruled it out. The Hypertime rule books want it to look like an elseworlds story. where I can see Robin joker, Gorrila grodd and Superman fighting for evil.

[bizarrome]

Well said phantom1592!!

Only one person here is making that point.. The rest of us have tried to make him see the light. He used examples that Superman and Batman never teamed with themselves. Well DC Comics Presents Annual #1 is a silver age Superman teaming with the golden age Superman in a 48pg. story. Brave and the Bold #200 is a golden age Batman and silver age Batman 48pg. team-up. (I know I have NM copies of both.) these are only examples of how the comics have had multiple versions of the same character in the same story, there are thousands of other examples but sierralegend can't see that. I have read stories where Superman had up to six Superman robots assisting him with an alien invasion or with a huge meteor shower, so there are as many mutiple situations in comics as one could think of for the game. I have read stories in both Marvel and DC where there were more than one of a character, and they usually have to do with mirror universes or time travel or some such, but it used to be a very popular story tool. I suppose some people just have no way to make a leap of imagination to see more than one version of a character or to allow DC and Marvel characters interact. It makes you wonder how they could watch fiction in the movies or on TV, or read any kind of fiction.

I suppose a situation like from the "Enemy Within" episode of Star Trek where kirk is split in two or the "original" "Superman Red and Superman Blue" story where Superman is split into two person's is just to much for some people to comprehend without blowing their mind.

Too bad a person like sierralegend is limiting himself so. If we had more people like him we would still be living in the eighteenth century as far as technology and imagination goes. Oh well, his loss, not ours!!!

FLAME ON...&...UP, UP, and AWAY!!!!!

[sierralegend]

Do you HAVE to attack me personally to get your point? How low will you go? No one will get anywhere when he insults or attack a person peronally. I had move up the issue to find the meanings of the purity. I just do what I think that is right thing to do. You have to type my nick name in red. It shows how strong was the impact that I had put on you. Poor thing. I am sorry about that. Seems that I am a threat to you which I was not intend to.

You will have diffcult time to have the real friends with your present attitude. Wake up Bizarrome (no need to red ink it).

For your info, I am doing fine and better with playing the DC-only game and have sufficent of imagination to me help to be successful with my rockclimbing, art works, and my jobs. I am sure most of you dont have enough imaginations to do other better things than insulting me.

And you all who had missed my comment abut my love of the comics and mentioned that I dont like Marvels, hahahaha, I love ALL comics and I had mentioned that in my earlier "post-up".

Last thing , you will never know that I was the person that you had gave me a handshake after a game and admired me at the tournements. Then I realized that you who guys who insulted me are not mature and intellegent enough to handle this discussion without giving the insults or attack a specific person like Bizarrome (again no need to red ink it). It is the skill which you dont want to have for your own future approaches. I had gave out strong influence to alot of people to encourage them to join up and play the HeroClixs. It will be very discouraging for the newcomers to join up with the people who attacks with vemons. (sigh).

Spidey Yours

[bizarrome]

sierralegend

As I said in my previous posts there are thousands of examples where more than one of the same character in a story was used. You were the one that said that was unpure in your posts and the mixing of Marvel and DC was unpure which even the creators of these characters have done for about thirty years. And even the designers of Heroclix ment for it to be that way. Where do you get that the rest of us are unpure? And why is purity an issue? It all sounds so segragational.

As far as attacking you with Venom, no one has attacked you at all. I simply highlighted your name to get your attention.

If you want to, I wouldn't mind if you highlighted my name in neon. I just really feel that you have a large misconception and I wanted to include you in all the fun the rest of us are having. But if you wish to remain closed to the idea than that is your right. I will no longer try to give you good examples of the cross-overs and multiple appearances of a character that the rest of us enjoy. You simply refuse to see beyond your own opinion. Unfortunetly I could have been the one that shared a large number of classic stories and disscussed heroclix with you. But your just not willing to listen to anything anyone else says. Maybe, if you want to avoid people trying to open up new worlds to you, you should consider using other words besides 'unpure'. It is quite insulting to most, and offensive to many more.

And so... "Quickly Spiderman... To the Batmobile...."

[sierralegend]

I found the silly reply, which I had to reply, from Bizarome after finished up the pure DC game with a good bottle of Bacardi Rum with mature adults. I wanna to sleep with my dear woman sooner .Sigh......
Again, again, again, the point is that I tried to keep it as strictly a debate not insulting anyone by attacking anyone. I did not insult anyone personally like you (bizarrome) did. It is completely okay if you and everyone else disagreed with me which I dont like it when someone mix DC and Marvel. For your information, I managed found a GOOD number of players who dislike the mixed game. I am sorry if I am telling you that. You have to face the fact that everyone is different that I just happened to find the mixing game is unpure and will not change since I am a step ahead all of you who do the mix.
I DO expected that many players will disagree with me I have no problem with it. The problem is You Bizarrome, you had to mentioned my name in red to insult me which make me realized that I am discussing with an immature little boy (the age don't matter,sigh I have to mention that, due to your intellegent level).
If you step up with proper approach, I will be more than glad to continue my discussion with you.
If you got yourself a good job with BA degree requirements or so ,you WILL see what I am talking about the proper approaches.
I am the case manager, a job which require good decision making skill so I can see that you have poor decision making skill. It is completely american if I happened to decided to disagree with you all who think it is pure if you all are playing the mixed games. It will be okay with me but yet still I dont think the game will be pure. It is sad that you have to step up in the extreme action by insulting me and typed me in red ink. Wow, I am big enough to you that you have to be bothered to step and put up the hot air with me.

Spidey Yours

(It is okay to play the mixed game, happy?)

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

(I prefer to have the sense of peace than squabbling with you kids who dont know the proper approach of discussions, nowadays kids dont know the proper approaches of discussions)

[shin-goji]

Ooooooo, he told us!

[sierralegend]

Oooooooo....

I gave up since that you all are hopeless.....

Spidey Yours

[shin-goji]

Ha ha ha ha!

I hate to say it but you really aren't any better than the people you criticize. Maybe if you had started your argument without the high handedness of a South Carolina senator trying to get the vote of the KKK you might have had a more intelligent discussion.

[sol]

Purity of the Game? Oh man, this thread is one of the worst I have ever seen...who gets to decide what the 'purity' of a game system made to be compatible with all expansions is?

This topic is rediculous, and smacks of fascism. And yes, i know what the word means.

[shin-goji]

Yeah. I can understand wy someone would want to play DC or Maarvel only, but the title of the thread has me worried about a Fourth Reich.

[jolt]

Back when I played Warhammer and 40k I had gone to a painting session at as local gaming store. One of the guys there started to paint his models using Polly S water based acrylics. When other people noticed this they started giving hima hard time because he wasn't using the Citadel brand of paints; which are, apparently, the only "approved" paints to use. They verbally abused this guy until finally he just left. I don't blame him for leaving wither, what those other guys did was wrong.

It's just a freakin' game. A game. The point of which is entertainment. Elitism doesn't usually make for fun and entertainment. The only purity I'm concerned about is keeping our perspective. It's a game.

jolt

[bizarrome]

I found the silly reply, which I had to reply, from Bizarome after finished up the pure DC game with a good bottle of Bacardi Rum with mature adults. I wanna to sleep with my dear woman sooner .Sigh......

First let me say that this is the most laughable post I have ever read. Second who cares if you drink? I don't look down on peole who do, but why boast about it? After all, most people do have a drink from time to time and finishing off a whole bottle just makes you sound immature. As for mature adults drinking resposibly is a must so I wasn't impressed. Nor do I think anyone else was. As far as "your woman" is concerned I think you need to keep that to yourself. There are kids and teenagers who don't need to hear your slander, I for one wouldn't want that kind of garbage to be a regular thing on this message board for my children to read. As for the rest of us, we really don't care to hear it either. Even those of us that have been happily married for years.

I did not insult anyone personally like you (bizarrome) did.

I didn't insult you, you just decided to take it that way. I even went back and read my post and there wasn't anything in it that a "Mature Adult" as you like to think of yourself would take as a personnall insult.

The problem is You Bizarrome, you had to mentioned my name in red to insult me which make me realized that I am discussing with an immature little boy (the age don't matter,sigh I have to mention that, due to your intellegent level).

The immature little boy is the one who over-reacts and has to boast to others about things that he can do, like drink, play a game his way and only his way, and about his woman.

If you got yourself a good job with BA degree requirements or so ,you WILL see what I am talking about the proper approaches. I am the case manager, a job which require good decision making skill so I can see that you have poor decision making skill.

Why would I want to do that? My job requires a Bachelor's of Science degree in computers. I myself am a Computer Analyst/Programmer. I am resposible for the financials, Payroll, and Human Resource, systems and I assist with the clinicals for a county hospital with over 1600 employees. I deal with VP's, Division Directors, and Key Personnel daily. I doubt your opinion has any validitity.

It is sad that you have to step up in the extreme action by insulting me and typed me in red ink. Wow, I am big enough to you that you have to be bothered to step and put up the hot air with me.

As I said before, it was simply to get your attention. You can take it however you like. As far as how big you are... I don't have to degrade you (and I wasn't anyway), Your boasting and struting like a peacock does that for you.

[Xanth]

Okay people.

Sierralegend, I read what Bizarrome wrote and he was not (in my opinion) insulting you whereas in your prior posts you were condescending "Boys, Boys", "mature" etc. If you wish to carry on the topic, go ahead but keep it within the bounds of civility, and that includes everybody.

This thread seems to have hit a brick wall so maybe it should be just left alone?

[Manchine]

Even I, who is a Marvel Only Collector, don't mind DC and Marvel Mixing. If I can beat ya with my pure Marvel team. I get the giggles. Its jsut that much more of a challenge. Plus its fun to see Batman do more damage then Sup's. :D ;) :p

[sierralegend]

The biggest difference between me and you all is only that I can sense the anger in you all who spent your time typed up many long posts long after my neglection of this thread after I told you all "you re hopless". I have many better things to do than satisfying your thoughts and beliefs. PURE DC HERO CLIX RULES!

P.S. read my quote below

[shin-goji]

"You people?"

"YOU PEOPLE?!?"

What are you some kind of racist? I don't feel safe anymore. As part of the octo-mulatto rights organization I'm calling for a mixing of all octo-factional hero-clix games!

:)

[/sarcasm]

[autoconx]

im just sad that i am seeing this post so late into it,..now the debate is basicly over..........why would anyone protest so strongly to people having fun with this game,.....most players dont even play tournements is for fun in comic stores, basements, dinning rooms and so on. and the more characters slugging it out on the board the better as far as i am concerned....whats funner then being in an impossible situation like swampthing chasing down toad in an ally when magneto and doomsday ambush him......its just all for fun....house rules rule this game....just play with whoever is the most fun with whatever rules you want..........im pro choice on the matter...the right to choose:p

[bizarrome]

The biggest difference between me and you all is only that I can sense the anger in you all who spent your time typed up many long posts long after my neglection of this thread after I told you all "you re hopless". I have many better things to do than satisfying your thoughts and beliefs. PURE DC HERO CLIX RULES!

Hhmmm.. Than why are you still Here??

Angry?? How do equate people telling you how much fun they are having being angry?? As far as us being hopeless, your right. We hopelessly love playing heroclix the way we do and you can't change that. And that is where it actually seems to irratate you. If you want to go away fine, we'll have just as much fun playing by ourselves. Maybe more.

As far as having better things to do, that is obviously not the case, if that were so you wouldn't have started this thread, and who wouldn't want to play heroclix everyday??

Having either enemies and friends can be exhausting to have them so you will be better off going with your own principles.

We do and we are having fun... What else is there to be said??

Justice League Assemble....

[sierralegend]

right on.... at first I just want to share my feeling about playing DC only games and found that Marvels have more powers for their point value so it caused the unbalanced game in Heroclix (my opinion ok? sigh... I have to say that). Then someone called me racist, a memember of fouth Reich (I have Jewish blood and not 100 percent white inside me) and other ugly words. That statements had made this thread ugly.

They seems didnt being comfortable with me to use the most standout human right of America, the freedom of speech.

[sierralegend]

The very last post up from me..

I will continue to play DC only game. The reason is the sense of balance game, not the seperations of Marvel and DC comics. I wish that Whizkids did better job with doing the balance between Marvels and DC figures. The Key is useless against Marvels. You cant deny that.

I forgave you all who calls me names.

I forgave you all who claimed me being a right wing person, even I am from Berkeley not being 100 percent whiteand partial Jewish and didnt have English as my first language.

Spidey Your

[Manchine]

You must not play to many games playing DC only. There's not to many DC players out there.

:D :D :D ;) :p

[bizarrome]

I agree with the balance between Marvel and DC issue, but to me that just makes the game more challenging to use my underpowered figs to whupp up on the overrated ones.

[DCFan#1]

sierralegend wrote:

(I prefer to have the sense of peace than squabbling with you kids who dont know the proper approach of discussions, nowadays kids dont know the proper approaches of discussions)
And:

The biggest difference between me and you all is...

And finally:

I forgave you all who calls me names.

First of all - Look at my user name. I SHOULD be on your side here. I play DC twice as much as Marvel. I play mixed as often as possible. It's FUN. Do you have fun with this game? Do you enjoy playing? It doesn't sound like it. Do you honestly believe, with statements like the ones above, you are somehow on a higher level of existance? Seriously...

It sounds like you have a problem accepting other people points of view. You can't recognize sarcasm, even when someone points it out directly. Shin-goji is/was having fun. If you honestly thought he was calling you "names", then you've got a problem. Sorry man.

There are a few key words here you need to pick up and try to use. FUN and GAME. A little less time with the hurt little boy act and more time having FUN with this GAME.


-Rich

[Wasteland]

You know, I giggled like a school-girl when I first heard that this game was being made (then only Marvel) and my friends and I commented on the fact that it would be like re-living our childhood. So we got into the game. There was nothing more satisfying than seeing Bullseye become a pile of red goo to a rampaging, dumpster-wielding Aquaman. We have since bought (probably far too many) boosters of all the sets. We don't see it as a Marvel version and a DC version, but rather a Heroclix game. We are happy to see how powerful some of our favorite heroes and villains are (Firelord, Wolvie, Doc Oc, DOOM!, Nightwing, Supes, Booster Gold, Aquaman, Robin, Flash, etc.) or how disappointing others are (Spiderman v1(not powerful enough)!!!, Hulk v1, Black Widow, Hawkeye, Yellowjacket, Batman(wayyyy too strong), Catwoman (no range!!), Black Manta,). We debate who we'd like to see in the next sets. I personally want to see Ghost Rider, Iron Fist, Power Man, DEADPOOL!!!, Silver Surfer, Longshot, Electro, Mysterio, Lizard, Venom, Lobo, Supergirl, Azreal, Killer Croc, Jack'o'Lantern, Two-Face, Green Lantern (Hal Jordan please), and more than anything Spawn, Witchblade, Darkness, WildC.A.T.S., Violator, Redeemer, Overtkill, Angela, Curse of Spawn, Medival Spawn, Houdini, Dangergirls, Gen 13, and I can go on. I for one will be happy to make a team of my ultimate villains and my ultimate heroes from all the universe and have fun. I will continue to create my own characters and figures from comic ideas I have and hope that I create a balanced figure (which, BTW, does anyone have a guide to creating their own figures as far as figuring out point costs and such...????) by playtesting it against figures from all the universes. My teams pretty much always consist of figures from both worlds, and we have fun playing each other. Actually, what we really like doing is playing rookie-only teams. 200-300 is a good basis for a team and it goes fairly quickly. But I am wandering off on a tangent...

What I am trying to say is that it is a game and should be enjoyed to the fullest extent. We do that by mixing, or choosing not to mix, or choosing to play heroes vs. villains (All of the Mighty Avengers vs. all of the Masters of Evil was a great game...with Evil winning because Good was Dumb) sometimes we scenario or even role-play. Whatever tickles our fancy at the time. And when we get our grubby little hands on Xplosion for the first time, we will reminisce about what comics were like when we were young and who would really win in a Spidey vs. Wolvie fight (Spidey, hands down) or a Batman vs. Superman (I can't believe they are making a movie out of this JOKE of a fight. Batman go squish now...) one, or who was more powerful Supes or Silver Surfer (tough call), or how much the Lobo vs. Wolvie fight in the DC/Marvel crossover was such a sad sad joke (Lobo would have handed Wolvie his adamantium armor back to him, sans the bones...).

Play hard, and most importantly...laugh about it.

Wasteland

[bizarrome]

Amen Wasteland Amen!

[EVIL CAP]

Why limit yourself by cutting off a good 3rd to half of the game because it has a different headlining name?