Character creation: Mongoose

[Mongoose]

Well I know that this is one of my favorite villains (Unfortunately they made him blind now in the comics). Mongoose appeared in a couple issues of Thor and Thunderstrike. He is kinda like Sabretooth combat wise, rushing into battle. In another way he is smart, and VERY patient. He takes his time w/ his opponents studying them in stealth. Obviously he is a speedster. The guy can run up the side of a multistory building (Not exactly anything i would try to do ever). He has gauntlets that allow him to do a claw attack (That and wickedly sharp teeth). I gave him incapacitate, because he has gauntlets filled with knockout gas. Obviously the dude can fight, because he was fighting with Thor and Spiderman at the same time (Mind you he did lose rather quickly, but he did well). I gave him hypersonic speed because he typically lands several blows before you can even see him. His superstrength represented his ability to lift that tractor that he threw. Well enough explaining these are the stats I gave him.

Speed- 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7
Attack- 11 10 9 9 8 8 8 6
Defense 18 17 17 16 16 15 13 11
Damage 3 2 2 2 2 1 1 1
Well any constructive feedback would help. Thanks

[Mongoose]

Surely someone here can give me feedback.

[Xavier PhD]

speed of 14 is quicksilver speed... so i think that is a bit much

i'd give him blades and claws on his first 2 clicks with 2 damage and then just 2 damage and 1 damage on his last 3 clicks like you have.

maybe lower his defense a little bit to 17.

but overall i think it is pretty good.

http://users.ev1.net/~peanut/bio-mongoose.html

[Mongoose]

speed of 14 is quicksilver speed... so i think that is a bit much
I appreciate the feedback, but the guy is pretty close to Quiksilver. I mean Spiderman said that he couldn't even see him when Mongoose ran away (Vegeta no pug shots). Maybe a 13 move would be more appropriate (He is stated to be able to run at 150 mph according to the Marvel superheroes RPG. Quiksilver runs at 180 mph). I guess a 13 speed would be more appropriate, maybe even a 12 (That would be cutting it. This dude is quick). His damage should start at a 3 though 9They redid Spiderman to do 3 damage I believe). Mongoose is as strong as Spiderman, and certainly as strong as Sabretooth. BTW I gave him blades/claws later, because I wanted him to be able to lift a heavy object (He threw a tractor into a building once). BTW cool site man. Where is it's initial location?

[bullseye100]

I think you give mongoose to much credit!!!

[Mongoose]

I think you give mongoose to much credit!!!
Please explain. I haven't stated that he could take out Thor, and obviously he has lost alot.

[Mongoose]

What do you guys think his speed should be? He was able to lose Spiderman in a blink of the eye. Does anyone else know this villain?

[Namor]

I think his speed should be 12 with hypersonic and then 11, and then he loses it. I really think they should start giving HS to more people, instead of the super fast (Flash,Nightcrawler) with a lower speed lvl.

[Mongoose]

I think his speed should be 12 with hypersonic and then 11, and then he loses it. I really think they should start giving HS to more people, instead of the super fast (Flash,Nightcrawler) with a lower speed lvl.
I could see a 12 movement. I mean that is still fast. Like you said he should only have hypersonic attack for 2 clicks. (In short i am in agreement). Do you guys agree with the leap/climb for 1 click. I gave it to him because he ran up the side of a building. Also is his 3 damage proper. The guy can lift 10 tons (Not exactly Hulk level, but fairly strong). I want him to be able to hurt Thor, as he has in the cloics (Mind you for Thor they were chicken scratches). I only gave him a 3 damage for 1 click (Kinda like Sabretooth).

[Namor]

I dont think he should have Super Strength, Hypersonic, and 3 clicks of damage on the first click (that would be very nasty). I think he should have Hypersonic for 2 clicks with 2 damage then SS with one click of 3 damage

[Mongoose]

I dont think he should have Super Strength, Hypersonic, and 3 clicks of damage on the first click (that would be very nasty). I think he should have Hypersonic for 2 clicks with 2 damage then SS with one click of 3 damage
He doesn't have hypersonic speed until his next click (He has leap/climb first). I believe that you can't use two powers at the same time also. (In short he can't use hypersonic speed and superstrength at the same time). Also if he does a hypersonic speed attack his damage is reduced to 1, unless he nails several attack consecutively. Odds are that he won't hit Thor more then 3-4 times (A 17 DV is hard to hit with an 11 attack that goes down to 10 when he first tries to land a blow).

[Manchine]

I am surprised you didnt give him Flurry. I remember him when he first showed up trying to get a gene sample of Thor. He made a couple of quick attacks with his claws.

I know he is fast and powerful.

ES/D I would also give to his 16. So 5 kliqs of it at least. 17 might be better for his defense to start.

I would keep him at 2 damage. He is strong but his real damage comes from his claws.

Yep have to agree that he has no Super Strength. He can only lift 1 ton same as beast. Beast has no super Strength.

[Mongoose]

Yep have to agree that he has no Super Strength. He can only lift 1 ton same as beast. Beast has no super Strength.
Actually he can lift 10 tons. i remember when they put that in the Marvel superheroes RPG. My friend and I were baffled. The guy threw a tractor (Several tons. It wasn't a bobcat tractor, it was fairly large). Xavier left the link to the site. I wouldn't give him claws/fangs and flurry. That is disgusting!!!!! He would just run up and kill Thor quickly then. I wanted him to be more quick and defensive, besides he really doesn't have real claws like Wolvie. This site Manchine, details his attributes (Thanks to Manchine I was able to look it up).
http://users.ev1.net/~peanut/bio-mongoose.html
It says that he can lift 10 tons. That is stronger then Sabretooth (Whom can only lift 1 ton, or maybe that was 800 lbs..?).

[Manchine]

Sabertooth can lift 400 pounds according to the Marvel RPG.

Now according to Marvel RPG he has Rm (30) strength 1 ton. Doing something one time in Comics does not give them that ability. Throwing a tractor yes is considered 10 tons. Has he ever shown this much strength any other time then this one episode. Nope thats why they gave him 1 ton ability.

http://www.norse-man.net/Marvel/Char-M/Mongoose.htm

If you want other links to some more Marvel RPG PM me.

Marvel RPG is a far better use of abilities and Numbers to show their characteristics.

[Mongoose]

I suppose Manchine that he had to push himself to increase his strength. There was a way of increasing your strength by 1 column shift by expending karma points and a red feat (If my memory serves me correctly). I guess that would explain his throwing of the tractor. On the other hand Sabretooth is weaker then he is, and he has 1 click of 3 damage. I mean he should be able to lift a heavy item once in game play terms. I have seen Spiderman lift up a car, but never a tractor. I don't think that I have seen Sabretooth throw a tractor either. Do you agree with the hypersonic speed? On your web page that you listed, it says that he moves at hypersonic speed.

[Manchine]

Hyper sonic Speed oh yeah I agree. You should have it spread out all the powers more.

Last 4 stealth

First Leap/Klimb the rest HS.

Only thing is he is on the verge of having 8 or 9 kliqs of health. I would put him at 8 kliqs of health.

The 3 damage is alright. Beast has it. ;) :p :D The reason why I think Sabertooth and Wolvie has 3 damage they are just ferious(sp?) fighters.

Give him 3 kliqs of Incapacitate and 3 kliqs of B/C/F.

[Mongoose]

Hyper sonic Speed oh yeah I agree. You should have it spread out all the powers more.

Last 4 stealth

First Leap/Klimb the rest HS.

Only thing is he is on the verge of having 8 or 9 kliqs of health. I would put him at 8 kliqs of health.

The 3 damage is alright. Beast has it. The reason why I think Sabertooth and Wolvie has 3 damage they are just ferious(sp?) fighters.

Give him 3 kliqs of Incapacitate and 3 kliqs of B/C/F.
Ok, Ok. I won't give him superstrength then. If he ever wants to throw a tractor at a buildings beam he won't be able to, and then Thor will just beat him down like Pee-Wee Herman at an anti pervert convention :p I guess he would have hypersonic speed for more then 2 clicks (I didn't want him to be too powerful). I agree with your other statements about his abilities.

[Manchine]

The thing with Thor is he hit, got the genetic material, fought for little bit becuase he thought he could win, and then ran away becuase he could not win.

He cant stand toe to toe with thor but he could use hit and run tactics like he has done. Now he should be able to Beat Spiderman, Mr.Hyde and such. Which he will be able to do.

[Mongoose]

He cant stand toe to toe with thor but he could use hit and run tactics like he has done. Now he should be able to Beat Spiderman, Mr.Hyde and such. Which he will be able to do.
I'd say that him and Spiderman would be a toss up, although in the comics he could've killed Spidey if it wasn't for Thor's interference (He was going for a nape bite after administering some knockout gas). I think that Spidey would be able to outhink him though, if they were to meet again. I was just chimming because I want him to be able to have a getaway plan from Thor.

[JayThor]

I could see HSS more than SS. 2 damage, with HSS on the first two clicks seems reasonable to me. Spidey thought he was very fast, and Spiderman has fought Speed Demon before and Slyde. Quicksilver is MUCH faster now than the 185mph listed earlier. He ran Transatlantic in minutes in the Avengers. That being said, Mongoose as he was in Thor demonstrates HSS at least as well as Nightcrawler (better in my opinion) so he could have it.

But really, they will never make him, so let's not get too worked up. lol

[Mongoose]

I gave him a 3 damage because both Logan and Sabretooth have it. I think that Mongoose is a little stronger then them. Besides he would never be able to hurt Thor otherwise.

[JayThor]

He could with HSS if he hit enough, which with an 11 he could hit 3-7 times before 12 every time is needed. B/C/F also does potentially more than 2 damage. The 2 will lower point cost and still fit.

[Mongoose]

Yeah but don't you think Mongoose is a tad bit stronger then Sabretooth, whom does 3 damage. i mean he threw a large tractor when he fought Thor and Spiderman (I believe issue 391). That takes alot of strength. I mean i'm positive that he is stronger then Quiksilver, just not as fast.

[JayThor]

It is possible. I haven't read that story in years, and the Thor books he was in are the only time I've seen him. The possible damage is good enough for me. Imagine if everyone got clicks for what they could really do. Pyro would do one for B2B (physical), Quicksilver would do 2, Spiderman would do 3, Rogue would do 4, Thing would do 5, Hercules would do 6, Thor would do 7, and the angry Hulk would do 8. Some powering down is a given for each character to fit in a 4-5 damage maximum.

[Mongoose]

Imagine if everyone got clicks for what they could really do. Pyro would do one for B2B (physical), Quicksilver would do 2, Spiderman would do 3, Rogue would do 4, Thing would do 5, Hercules would do 6, Thor would do 7, and the angry Hulk would do 8.
I believe they also take into account the characters spectrum of doing that much damage. i mean Thor does 4 damage for 3 clicks (Veteran version mind you). I am talking about 1 click of 3 damage, not several. I mean his damage goes down to 2 afterwards, and only remains for a few clicks. Besides we all know that Spiderman should have superstrength for atleast 1 click, and atleast 1 click of 3 damage.

[Mongoose]

You guys are definitely right. He should only do a 2 damage, seeing as to how Scorpion only has a 2 damage.