mind control and energy shield deflection

[WanderingShama]

If you're trying to mind control an opponent do you still have to take into account energyshield deflection?

If psychic blast isn't effected by those things, and it's a psychic attack, isn't mind control also a psychic attack?

[Manchine]

Hate to tell ya but Psychic Blast is affected by ES/D. Any range attack is afftected by ES/D.

Only thing Psychic Blast ignores is Impervious, Invulnerability, and Toughness.

Super Senses is unaffected by Psychic Blast. So you still get to use that and every other defense power. Other then those 3.

[lukebuchanan]

No, you're getting clix-reducing powers confused with defensive values confused. The roll for any ranged attack (including MC, PB, or others) are still measured against the +2 ES/D gives. If adjacent then you can bypass this value, but can still be subject to reducers (Inv., toughness, Impervious).

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[lukebuchanan]

right on Machine

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[WanderingShama]

Sorry, my roommate got us confused... your right. Thanks for bearing with us...

[webhead817]

You could combine Psychic Blast with Mind Control to avoid the roll part of Impervious, but Psychic Blast doesn't ignore Energy Shield/Deflection.

[Manchine]

NP pop on anytime you have a problem.

[Manchine]

You can do that webhead????

[HeroComplex]

When using Mind Control as a ranged attack, yes.

[CoyoteShaman]

Psychic blast and mind control combined? In the same action? What would that do to a MC'd character?

(BTW- this is the roommate who got WanderingShaman confused...)

[Manchine]

All this does is ignore Impervious D6 roll to miss. I have taken a look at it now.

[HeroComplex]

The benefit from combining Psychic Blast and Mind Control is exactly as Webhead described---the target cannot roll for Impervious. Similarly, neither Toughness nor Invulnerability will work against damage resulting from a Mind Control critical hit.

This does not allow your Mind Controller to do his damage value in addition to Mind Controlling.

[spworldtour]

Um, so this brings up a question...

I didn't think that you could use Impervious on Mind Control, TK or Incapacitate.

(NON-OPTIONAL) When this character is dealt damage, roll a d6. On a result of 5 or 6, the damage dealt is reduced to 0. On a result of 1-4, the damage dealt is reduced by 2.

As MC, TK and Incap don't do any damage anyways, then you couldn't avoid the effect of these abilities as there is no damage to avoid...

Also, I wanted to know about having the target of MC avoid damage using toughness or the like. We've been playing that the target does get to reduce the damage, but perhaps we're wrong?

Thanks!

[Suttkus]

You're resurrecting a thread from 2003! The game is barely recognizable as the same game since then.

Mind Control does no damage, so there is nothing for Impervious, Invulnerability or Toughness to do.

Incapacitate does zero damage, which can result in actual damage on a critical hit. This is reduced normally.

TK can do damage depending on how you are using it. It would be reduced normally.

Other than that, I'm not sure what you mean about the target of mind control reducing damage. Reducing what damage?

[Questions]

Also, I wanted to know about having the target of MC avoid damage using toughness or the like. We've been playing that the target does get to reduce the damage, but perhaps we're wrong?

The feedback damage from MC cannot be reduced. The character using MC takes the feedback damage. Since it takes it (it isn't dealt), powers that reduce damage dealt don't activate.

Other things in this thread are very outdated, as Suttkus said it's from 2003!!!!, so I wouldn't rely on them any more.

[Manchine]

This was back when I was a judge and answered LOTS AND LOTS of questions.

[Quebbster]

Back then Impervious was basically Super senses + Invulnerability.