Suggestions, comments, etc. for my LoA team

[pupulesurfer]

Hello again. This is my second team ever and I just wanted to use some pieces from boosters I opened and the garage sale figs. I like the League of Assassins so I went that route. Just as I wanted with my previous thread with Nekron, I want to keep the theme with using mostly LoA characters with no format in mind (Golden Age, etc.)

BATB 041 Talia al Ghul x2 - 67 points each - 134
BATB 011 League Elite x2 - 33 points each - 66
BAT(alpha) 016 Riddler x2 - 60 points each - 120
LE 003 Cosmic Boy - 70 points

Point Total - 390

Room for a feat or two or a team ability. Constructive feedback welcome! Thanks!

[Rurouni KJS]

Drop one Riddler. Replace him with Bronze Tiger, another LoA member.
Drop the extra Talia. Replace her with Crisis Batgirl or Merlyn or Karate Kid.
Drop the other Riddler. Prob Control is nice, sure, but you want the room for the LoA ATA, which costs a whopping 7 points per LoA character. The good news is that Cosmic Boy and other wildcards don't have to pay for it.
Fit a League Assassin on. That 4 range comes in handier than you'd think. In fact, you many wish to drop an Elite for more Assassins.
Field the Dynamostat special object as your heavy object. Gives the LoA some blocking terrain even on maps with none (such as Asgard).


Talia Al Ghul 67
Bronze Tiger 60
League Elite 33
League Elite 33
League Assassin 22
Karate Kid 63
Cosmic Boy 70
+ League of Assassins TA 35
=383 points. Plenty of feat room.

[mbauers]

I second those changes, but I'd also suggest getting rid of Karate Kid and Cosmic boy and adding 3 Man Bat Assassins with the ATA. All told you'll have 9 points left to add pogs to trigger Tiger's SS TA, and you'll now have a theme team so you get plus 8 to map choice, which could really help you (choose an indoor map with lots of walls/blocking terrain).

[Bat-Phreak]

I second those changes, but I'd also suggest getting rid of Karate Kid and Cosmic boy and adding 3 Man Bat Assassins with the ATA. All told you'll have 9 points left to add pogs to trigger Tiger's SS TA, and you'll now have a theme team so you get plus 8 to map choice, which could really help you (choose an indoor map with lots of walls/blocking terrain).

I agree, with the LoA ATA the Man-Bat Assassin is an even better figure and adds much-needed mobility to a LoA theme team.

Assigning tokens using the theme team PC re-rolls can also help Bronze Tiger make use of his Suicide Squad TA.

BTW, I really like the re-write of the ATA's, allowing them to be used WITH the fig's printed TA. Makes most of the ATA's worth their cost.

[pupulesurfer]

I like the ideas but i just dont have the figs or access to most of the figs atm. i have access to most of the batb pieces and what i listed as my original team. i really like the synergy i get from pc on my bcf on the league elite. but i guess i have more to learn about the game too before i make too many changes.

i guess i need help understanding what wildcards are, how those can be used, the difference between ata's and ta's, the required number of figs to be able to use a ta/ata, and how to use all that info properly.

any help would be great, but in the mean time im going to scour the realms and see what i dig up! if anyone can give me the cliffnotes/sparknotes version of the above listed things that would be appreciated too!

I look forward to hearing more of your suggestions!

[pupulesurfer]

so just as another thought. i like having pc a lot and was thinking...instead of the riddler i went with ff054 vet scarlet witch. the ultimates team ability allows her to still pc my stealthed units. plus if i kept cosmic boy in there he could copy the ultimates ability and tk my stealthed character. just a though if i decided to stick with some prob control. what are your thoughts on this idea?

[mbauers]

so just as another thought. i like having pc a lot and was thinking...instead of the riddler i went with ff054 vet scarlet witch. the ultimates team ability allows her to still pc my stealthed units. plus if i kept cosmic boy in there he could copy the ultimates ability and tk my stealthed character. just a though if i decided to stick with some prob control. what are your thoughts on this idea?

Well, stealth is optional. If you want to be able to PC, perplex, etc your own stealthy units, you can just turn off stealth. It returns before your opponent's turn.

You said you have limited figures so I doubt you have this, but Avengers SR Scarlet Witch is actually really good. 35 points, flier, PCer, and gets barrier on her second click (and has 8 range). Awesome.

As far as newer stuff goes, Jason Blood is really good (though you need to get an Etrigan too). Carry him onto a phone booth special object and click him turn one. Second turn use the phone booth to hit him again and take a power action to turn into etrigan.

Now you have a mystic fig who has a SP that grants him perplex AND pc.

If you don't have a phone booth I think it's ok, as I believe objects are print and play now, too. Anyone else confirm this?

[pupulesurfer]

i forgot about the optionality of stealth!!! just like ta and ata's are optional and return again! thx for the reminder. i actually considered the jason blood-etrigan combo but i thought it may be a hassle to have to go through during a game. you made it sound easy though so it may be worth trying out.

any other thoughts out there?

[pupulesurfer]

tried the jason blood etrigan thing on HCOL (heroclix online) and that didn't go over too well. It took a little time and just when I was one click away from being able to get etrigan out there, jason was sniped. so i played again with this team: Talia al Ghul x2, League Elite x 2, Cosmic Boy x1, and Scarlet Witch x1, and both Talia's and Elites had the ATA as well as the feat Sneak, and Cosmic Boy had the feat tactics. That made for a 400 pt team and it worked surprisingly well. I tked many of his characters to my stealthed elite and bcfed for 4 or 5 most times and pc-ed those roles sometimes to get a better result. Sometimes I tk-ed my Talia into a better position and sniped the #### out of his dudes. I won and only lost Scarlet witch and one elite! The team he was playing was this 400pt Superman enemy team that was trying to make use of outwit but he could never get into position as the only thing that wasn't stealthed was cosmic boy.

However, I would like some more suggestions if there are any out there.

[mbauers]

tried the jason blood etrigan thing on HCOL (heroclix online) and that didn't go over too well. It took a little time and just when I was one click away from being able to get etrigan out there, jason was sniped. so i played again with this team: Talia al Ghul x2, League Elite x 2, Cosmic Boy x1, and Scarlet Witch x1, and both Talia's and Elites had the ATA as well as the feat Sneak, and Cosmic Boy had the feat tactics. That made for a 400 pt team and it worked surprisingly well. I tked many of his characters to my stealthed elite and bcfed for 4 or 5 most times and pc-ed those roles sometimes to get a better result. Sometimes I tk-ed my Talia into a better position and sniped the #### out of his dudes. I won and only lost Scarlet witch and one elite! The team he was playing was this 400pt Superman enemy team that was trying to make use of outwit but he could never get into position as the only thing that wasn't stealthed was cosmic boy.

However, I would like some more suggestions if there are any out there.

Re: Jason blood.

Put a telephone booth 5 squares from your starting area. On turn one, have a taxi carry Blood and set him on the phone booth. Use a free action to hurt Blood for one. On turn 2, use a free action to hit blood again. Then give him a power action (one of your actions for the turn) to turn him into Etrigan.

If you do this it's pretty hard for someone to stop, unless they use Bats/Cats and remove your phone booth before the game starts.

[pupulesurfer]

Ok, thx for the tip. Could you also explain why this would be a good option/why etrigan is good. I've looked it over and i don't see the benefit of having etrigan when he will only have 3 clicks left and the stats hardly change from that of jason blood. thx!

[SimsThePirate]

Ok, thx for the tip. Could you also explain why this would be a good option/why etrigan is good. I've looked it over and i don't see the benefit of having etrigan when he will only have 3 clicks left and the stats hardly change from that of jason blood. thx!

He gains perplex on top of the probability control, has toughness, and is a BEAST with Blades/Claws/Fangs. Just use the perplex to pump up his attack value and attack with the B/C/F. A chance to deal 6 damage for 44 points. Plus the added value of prob. And on top of all of that awesomeness. You guessed it. Mystics. :devious:

[tyroclix]

Re: Jason blood.

Put a telephone booth 5 squares from your starting area. On turn one, have a taxi carry Blood and set him on the phone booth. Use a free action to hurt Blood for one. On turn 2, use a free action to hit blood again. Then give him a power action (one of your actions for the turn) to turn him into Etrigan.

If you do this it's pretty hard for someone to stop, unless they use Bats/Cats and remove your phone booth before the game starts.

Another idea is to use Jason Blood only as Prob Control and Wildcard help for your team. Keep him about 12-15 spaces away from the opposing team. His dial is too short to withstand an attack.

Then use him as Mastermind fodder with another figure. As soon as the Mastermind piece is hit for 3 damage, give it to Jason. Otherwise send the damage to the other adjacent piece.

With practice you'll get a feel for how to set it up and pull it off.

[mbauers]

Ok, thx for the tip. Could you also explain why this would be a good option/why etrigan is good. I've looked it over and i don't see the benefit of having etrigan when he will only have 3 clicks left and the stats hardly change from that of jason blood. thx!

True, he only has 3 clicks left. But I like to keep him in the back line perplexing and PCing. Most people don't want to overextend one of their figs just to hit a mystics fig.

Perplex, PC, and mystics for your wildcards is REALLY good for 44 points. Then midgame you can bring in Etrigan (preferably carry him next to a pushed opponent) and blade the hell out of someone. :p

[pupulesurfer]

UPDATE: Trying out a new idea here, this time making it modern age and still 400 pts.

League Elite x2 w/ LoA ATA = 80 pts
Merlyn x2 w/ LoA ATA = 124 pts
Crisis Batgirl w/ LoA ATA = 77 pts
Avengers Scarlet Witch = 72 pts
Man-Bat Assassin w/ LoA ATA = 47 pts

Build Total = 400 pts

It may just be a crutch or it just may be good or it may just be because I had the un-luck of the gods with my dice rolls but I feel that I need at least 1 pc-er on my team. It looks like the best option for the points is that Avengers Scarlet Witch. Her ultimates team ability really helps here because then I don't need to turn off stealth (in case of an opponents pc-er). The man-bat assassin and scarlet witch help with the needed movement. merlyn will be a great ranged attacker, batgirl is ridiculous (as stated earlier, thx peeps!!!!), and those elites are too good to pass up in my opinion.

So how does this sound everyone? Also, what do I need to do in order to have a theme team? THX!!!!!

[SimsThePirate]

UPDATE: Trying out a new idea here, this time making it modern age and still 400 pts.

League Elite x2 w/ LoA ATA = 80 pts
Merlyn x2 w/ LoA ATA = 124 pts
Crisis Batgirl w/ LoA ATA = 77 pts
Avengers Scarlet Witch = 72 pts
Man-Bat Assassin w/ LoA ATA = 47 pts

Build Total = 400 pts

It may just be a crutch or it just may be good or it may just be because I had the un-luck of the gods with my dice rolls but I feel that I need at least 1 pc-er on my team. It looks like the best option for the points is that Avengers Scarlet Witch. Her ultimates team ability really helps here because then I don't need to turn off stealth (in case of an opponents pc-er). The man-bat assassin and scarlet witch help with the needed movement. merlyn will be a great ranged attacker, batgirl is ridiculous (as stated earlier, thx peeps!!!!), and those elites are too good to pass up in my opinion.

So how does this sound everyone? Also, what do I need to do in order to have a theme team? THX!!!!!

Theme teams must consist of pieces that all share a common keyword. I understand that you are wanting to do a LoA team and probably are limited on pieces. Consider these as a great starting point (some you already have listed): Merlyn, Bronze Tiger (this guy is disgusting), Batgirl, Sensei, League Elite, League Assassin (seems weak, but can use exploit weakness when a higher point value LoA member is within 8 squares). Personally I will either run completely theme or will use Wildcard Abuse with LoA. At 400 points for theme, I'd roll with this:

Bronze Tiger x2
Merlyn
Batgirl
Man-Bat Assassin x2
League Assassin

Total: 396 with LoA ATA on all. Also might take out Batgirl and replace with either more generic Leaguers or another Merlyn.

Something else to think about would be this, though not theme team:

Bronze Tiger
Merlyn
Man-Bat Assassin
Karate Kid
Dawnstar
Spider-Man
Jason Blood w/alter ego

Total: 393 (room for a pog or possibly a lantern if one suits you)
The basic strategy here would be to keep Jason Blood a bit back and either push him or telephone booth him to get to his alter ego. Also Dawnstar has her Quarry SP which will allow you to get +1 to a target you declare before your first turn. You have three taxis (Man-Bat, Karate Kid, and Dawnstar). Wildcards copy the League of Assassins ATA and stay close to walls or blocking. If based, they copy Mystics when an attack is declared. This way they can't range you and if they base you and attack they'll take damage when you do. Can do some decent damage, plus whenever Etrigan gets to the field he can perplex damage for your characters (make sure that you "stop using" the ATA to target your characters, then "start using it" after such). I just made this team right now, but it seems like it would do fairly well. I haven't had too much success with a League of Assassins team, but I always keep it themed. I may have to try this in the future. If you are worried about your Mystic getting knocked out early you could replace one of the Legionnaires with Nightshade and be nasty with her.

[pupulesurfer]

Okay this is looking good. I've abandoned the actual theme portion of the team for now but this is what I have atm...your thoughts...

League Elite x2 w/ LoA ATA = 80 pts
Merlyn x2 w/ LoA ATA = 124 pts
Karate Kid = 63 pts
Man-Bat Assassin w/ LoA ATA = 47 pts
AA Cosmic King = 85 pts (for tk, wildcard, flying, leadership, and outwit)

rep to you btw for the great suggestions!!!