Anyone want Punisher?

[Dr.Notsoevil]

I hope Marvel comes out with a punisher clix.
Hes just too good to pass up and I have an idea of what he would probably have.

Running Shot- hes always shootin first and talkin later.
RCE- he got to be a good shot with all them guns.
Explosive shot- This is the basic Punisher overkill BIG friggin gun.
Energy Sheild deflection- Bullet proof vest.
Toughness- Hes one tough guy.
And mabye a little bit o stealth.

What do all you think?
As for me I want a punisher!

[Ironman44]

yes I would love a punisher clix.

Take away the tougness and shield defelction and add Outwit .

Also stealth before running shot.

[JayThor]

Not really! j/k

I can not see him with Outwit.

[Thomthemonk]

i disagree with outwit, but its a respectable disagreement.

toughness and energy sheild deflection, on the other hand, are rediculous fanboy-isms.
being "tough" does not give toughness.
80% of the mortal chars wear body armor of some kind, they dont get esd.

[jhcrouch]

I am not a big Punisher fan, but I would love to see a Punisher fig. Personally, I think Dr. Notsoevil put up a good representation for Punisher. You could make the argument for shield deflection w/rce over outwit because he has been known to use a sniper rifle from a distance before. Anyway, the real reason I posted is I just recently saw the 1989 Punisher movie with Dolf Lungen and was suprised how not bad it was. Granted I don't think was Oscar worthy, but despite a few changes (ie family dying in a car bomb) I really enjoyed the movie. Anyone else feel the same way, or was I just up really late the night I watched it and missed the cra py stuff?

[Pip the Troll]

ahhh i cant wait for a punisher clix
hes one of marvel's coolest charecters
i d give him stealth to start with
energey explosion as well
willpower cause out of anyone that guy's will is strong
starting with RCE, but that could give way to OUTWIT
yea i think he should definatly have outwit, in comiic he often takes down much tougher oppponents and he does that by using his head

i dont think he should have enengy deflection or toughness, but he should have high defence and an attack valye at leasdt as good as bullseye, cause noone, not unless its captain america (altho i still think punisher has an edge) has more combat experinace then the Punisher
i say bring on the punishyer clix
followed closly by a pip the troll piece

[LivingTribunal]

I also would say EE for 1 or 2 click to represent Frag Grenades.
Also Energy Shield Deflection for his bullet proff vest but only for his first 2 also. After that toughness for 2 to 3 clicks. On his E version I say he has Spider-Man team ability.

[Melkoloran]

Punisher is my #2 wanted clix after Ghost Rider.

[JerryReedStyle]

Yes.

[Yohan]

My friend came up with this ability called "Sniper" which would allow a figure with that power to shoot any opposing figure within its range regardless of other characters standing in the way or hindering terrain. All blocking terrain rules would remain intact though. Sniper would also give that figure the ability to shoot characters with the stealth ability. I think this would make a lot of the characters (Punisher,Forge, Maverick,Longshot) very unique instead of bulked up shield guys.

[Gacy's Clown]

I honestly can't believe that anyone who has read a Punisher comic would not agree with him having Outwit. If there is any character that should have it, it's definitely him.

[CPUX]

The only problem I percieve with Punisher is that he's too easy to overcost. It's real easy to put in RCE with other ranged super powers and jack up the cost (a la Hawkeye). In fact, now that I think about it, Hawkeye's dial looks a lot like what Punisher's would be. What's up with this? IS THE WORLD MAD!?!

::curls up in a ball shaking::

I do like the idea of a "Sniper" power though. The description sounds really good, but it'd probably cost a whole lotta points. Hey, amybe it could do Punisher justice, saying that he's 70-90 points cause he's good.

that's right, appease the Punisher fans

I see punisher as starting off with the infamous Running Shot/RCE "combo," then trading that off for Outwit & EE. Throw in toughness too, for if you give it to Metropolis SCU's for their armor, you MUST give it to guys like the Punisher for his.

[Captain Spoon]

Yes, i would agree with Pun having outwitt, but it should be around 2-3 at the end of his dial (representing him doing whatever he needs to find the specific weapon he needs for the specific situation, all those cool gadgets) he should also have atleast some incapacitate,Running shot at the same time he has EE, & RCE, stealth (it's a maybe)... but i don't think he should have ESD/toughness... although he is a tough cookie, if he gets hit, he gets hit hard...

-SPOON!-

[CapedCrusader]

Not Bad,
I see Punisher having a combination of the super powers listed above. On movement, I see Stealth giving way to Running Shot. On attack, Energy Explosion is a must for a click or two. On defense, I really think that ol’ Frank Castle’s key power should be Willpower. Is anyone (other than Batman) more driven than Frank? Toughness is questionable but Willpower is all Punisher… For damage, maybe Ranged Combat Expert to start (Yes in combination with RS and EE!) or perhaps Close Combat Expert (this could change between the different experience levels) leading to Battle Fury(?) and ending with a click of Outwit. 80-90 Points sounds about right.

[Aron]

Stealth yes RS later yes
EE I suppose (but not for many clicks)
8-10 range
RCE with 1 damage (yes)
toughness (better than Eshield if he starts with stealth) dropping to Eshield while he has running shot for a click then willpower
Perplex on his fourth click?
consistent stats (ala clay overall combo very similar to clay/nick fury/Shield sniper)

[Heroix]

Should the Punisher really have RCE? Of course he's an expert marksman. But RCE doesn't really represent expert marksmanship. Superb accuracy is represented by high attack numbers. RCE is a damage enhancer. You look at figures like Cyclops, Bullseye, Hawkeye, SHIELD Sniper, etc. The true underlying function of their RCE is to hold down their printed damage number because they're relatively wimpy up close and personal. Now compare that to the Punisher. I realize that his weapons of choice are firearms, and I am not a big Punisher fan, so those of you who are can correct me if you wish. But it seems to me that the Punisher is just as dangerous up close and personal with, say, a knife as he is at range with, say, a gun. I mean, up close, Punisher could eviscerate Bullseye in HTH combat in about five seconds. If that's true, then he shouldn't have RCE, because RCE will deflate his up-close damage number. If he really is deadlier at range, then he should have RCE. Just remember that RCE is about damage inflicted, not marksmanship. A character who can inflict equal injury up close and at range shouldn't have RCE.

[Heroix]

Originally posted by Yohan
My friend came up with this ability called "Sniper" which would allow a figure with that power to shoot any opposing figure within its range regardless of other characters standing in the way or hindering terrain. All blocking terrain rules would remain intact though. Sniper would also give that figure the ability to shoot characters with the stealth ability. I think this would make a lot of the characters (Punisher,Forge, Maverick,Longshot) very unique instead of bulked up shield guys.

There's a version of that in the game already. It's called "Superman Ally Team Ability." :)

Actually, I don't think that figures ought to be able to fire across the base of any figure to hit another figure, ever. But a colored-square version of the Superman team ability could be useful on the Attack slot.

I'm assuming that since you can't get a clear LOF to a Stealthed figure in Hindering Terrain, you can't Outwit that Stealth, right? So giving Punisher Outwit wouldn't be a workaround to this one.

[MarkFinn]

I think that the Punisher is a character in the comics who is limited or enhanced by whoever is writing the book at the time. The Ennis Punishers were a lot of fun, but only from a situational standpoint.

Let's face it: he's a boring character. If you take the skull off of his chest, he's a deranged guy with special ops training and a lot of guns. That's it. That's his origin. His family was killed and now he wants payback. It's nothing we hadn't seen before, in movies and TV, and it's nothing new now. Only the writers have managed to make his stories interesting, again, by manipulating the situations and circumstances in a story.

I know he's popular, but he's just not someone that interests me from a Clix perspective. I mean, you can't really give him a team affiliation (and please don't say Spidey, because the Punisher has NEVER been a team player), and he wouldn't do anything from a power combination standpoint that you can't get anywhere else. RCE/RS, we have it. B/C/F, we have it. Cheap or expensive, take your pick. The SHIELD guys, who are so frequently modded to BE the Punisher, can do more as a cheap team. And then there's the drive and multiple shots of someone like Batman. Those characters just hold a lot more cache for me than a guy with a skull on his chest who shoots people.

[shin-goji]

I think Punisher is the most mod'd figure next to Ghost Rider. Everyone seems to use the same SHIELD Agent to make the Punisher, like the mejority of people use Constrictor to make Ghost Rider.

[DTM]

Hmmmmm, Im not sure Id refer to Bullseye, or even Cyclops or Hawkeye, as wimpy up close. I think RCE represents that characters ability to really be a master at long range attacks, THEREFORE him knowing how, where and when to get the best shot possible against his opponent, hence doing the extra damage. The Sniper isnt just hitting you, hes hitting you WHERE IT HURTS, in your weak or vulnerable spots, and I think thats what RCE represents. Same could go for CCE. CCE wouldnt necessarily mean the the character is weak at a distance, it means that up close he has the skills and the training to hit you WHERE IT HURTS, doing more damage than he normally would. Least thats my take on it.

Oh, and HUGE Punisher fan here. Ive made a dial for him, and posted him twice before here, so Ill spare you the post again. :)

[silent envy]

Lets not forget...

Charge (he has been know to run up and melee people)
Flurry (because he can fight)
Mind Control (he does bully & "interogate" to get what he wants)
Leap/Climb (grapling hooks, etc)
Phasing (for when he blows holes in walls)
Stealth (he is sneaky)
Running shot (because he does)
Super Strength (for when the adrenaline starts pumping)
Blades/Claws/Fangs (he does use sharp objects)
Incapacitate (KO gas for range/mid section punch for CC)
Energy Explosion (grenades)
Pulse Wave (tear gas, etc)
Steal Energy (the more he hurts the more his adrenaline pumps)
Telekinesis (objects..Uses bombs to shoot them into the air, probably does the same to people)
Energy Shield (body armor)
Super Senses (he is really paranoid)
Barrier (knows how to use terrain for defense)
Toughness (because he is)
Defend (see barrier)
Regeneration (foe when he pops pain killers, hey Max Payne can)
Invulnerability (the super tough body armor)
Enhancement (when he helps target someone)
RCE (should I even mention)
Probility Control (because he is lucky and if he doesnt like the way something is, he changes it)
Battle Fury (when he gets mad)
Support (first aid)
Outwit (because he is tricky, after all he did change his skin color)
leadership (see mind control)

Thats only the basic powers, he has the others too.

Sorry guys had to do it!!!! Seriuosly I would love to see the Punisher.

[Dr.Notsoevil]

What about perplex?
He does act strang sometimes.

And at the end of the dial he may have outwit, but he could definatly have charge and blades/claws/fangs.

It would represent him out of ammo and making a last effort to take down someone no matter what the coast to himself.

I made a punisher dial and he starts with RCE, Energy Shield deflection, explosive shot, and stealth...

.... later comes the running shot, perplex, toughness, and close combat abilitys.

I think he should definitly have the Energy Shield deflection and toughness. Im not just saying it because I like him, he HAS A BULLET PROOF VEST!!!
This would stop some ranged attacks.
And he could have willpower but all these powers add up to an expensive figure.
That is why I didn't give him willpower or outwit(entil the end).

:D

[Aron]

Stealth/Energy shield would be counterproductive on the same click

Ok so he has +2 to range.. but he can hide in a bush and not even be targetted.. uh, yea so he's got that +2 defense against range attacks.. errrrr

As for punisher not having a combo of special abilities not available on any other clix... Stealth with RCE and EE, no other fig has that combo (yet)

But as it goes with combos of powers there's only so many powers and only so many combinations of them possible, so *shrug*

Punisher Is mostly a solo player, but he does regularly team up with heroes so *shrug* and he was originally gotten involved with spiderman because of Dr Doom's machinations, as I recollect. He's known for being a "loose cannon", wild card would represent that *shrug*

[Dr.Notsoevil]

Mabye he dosn't feel like playing hide and seek.

If Punisher is in the mood to charge than hes goning to run up and charge.
Therefore Energy Shield Deflection and stealth would not be counter productive.
It would all depend on the way that you play him, no?

DC has a stealth and RCE person(huntress with bat-man allie).
Just shows how cheap DC is with their rules compared to marvels.
How can Bat Man beat the Hulk? He would never be able to in the comics, but in hero clix the R or E Bat man just hides on a bush, outwits, and beats the crud out of INVULNERABLE guys.

And after the hulk "smash", Bat man just gets close combat expert.

..........ARRRRRRR

I hope this new set has more clix with more "cheappo" powers.
(Just like DC's 1st set, but what happens when they come out with green lanturn corps and Mystic?)

It's all DC's fault, destroying the game with their presious outwit and SUPER cheap team abilitys.

Long Live Marvel, the DC Downfall

[DTM]

Well, that post certainly helped support those like myself who like to play inter-company Heroclix games. DC Evil, Marvel Good. :)

[JayThor]

I would start Punisher with 11 to hit, Stealth, EE, and 2 damage.
After 3 clicks, drop damage to 1 and do RCE with E/S deflection. Keep attack high 11,11,10,10,9,9,8.

[rcoperich]

I see the Punisher as a Clix pretty much like Nick Fury ended up, which is fine. They're both regular guys with guns, no superpowers or anything. He'd be cool to see, but hopefully he's a unique so that doesn't take away from another figure in the series. How embarassing would it be to see a rookie Punisher that has a dial pretty close to a Thug?

[AnOnymOu5]

Please, no RCE for Punisher. Just a straight two damage, through his dial. At a distance, he'll peforate you with lead. Up close he has knives and shotguns, or again, he'll just shoot you point blank.

His attack should never be higher than 10. Punisher is a good shot, but he is not bullseye. However, his attack should never drop below an 8, no matter how beat up Punisher is, he dishes out the damage.

Give him a low defense, it's not like Punisher is hard to hurt. He's a guy in a T Shirt with some kevlar.

Lots of willpower, no other defensive powers. No toughness, CERTAINLY no deflection.

Start him with stealth, then give him Running Shot.

Maybe one click of outwit for the veteran.

[Dr.Notsoevil]

Why do some of you think he shouldn't have toughness or Energy Shield?

He gets shot from a range. Hence the Energy shield deflection.
He gets into a rumble up close. Hes not a tug, hes a superiorly fit athlete, and should have toughness.

And I agree with the no higher than 10 attack, execpt if it was not a unique the vet would have 11 to start.

He should have 2 damage with RCE and later he can drop the RCE and get outwit, perlpex or somthing else.

Do some of you even read the punisher comics or other comics with him in there?
I know some of you do... but others im not so sure about

[AnOnymOu5]

Two Damage with RCE and 2 Damage? So all things aside, Punisher should be able to hit Thor for two clix of damage? I'm a pretty big Punisher fan, but lets be reasonable. Without some extreme intereference, Punisher couldn't even begin to dent Thor.

As for Energy Shield/Deflection, let's look at the name. Does Punisher have an Energy Shield? No. Does he deflect incoming projectiles? I remember him once knocking down Cap's shield, but that's about it. So no, ESD makes no sense. Willpower on Defense. I can kind of see toughness, a little bit, but ESD has nothing to do with Mr Castle.

[Manchine]

Originally posted by Dr.Notsoevil
I hope Marvel comes out with a punisher clix.
Hes just too good to pass up and I have an idea of what he would probably have.

As for me I want a punisher!

No I dont want him. But I would rather have him before Ghost Rider or Carnage.

[Melkoloran]

No I dont want him. But I would rather have him before Ghost Rider or Carnage.

I can do without Carnage, but bring on GR, Punisher and Venom.

[Aron]

Originally posted by JayThor
I would start Punisher with 11 to hit, Stealth, EE, and 2 damage.
After 3 clicks, drop damage to 1 and do RCE with E/S deflection. Keep attack high 11,11,10,10,9,9,8.

Flip the 3 clicks down RCE and damage 1 with a solid 2 damage the rest of his dial

I suggest giving his first 2 clicks stealth RCE and 1 damage (so he can push to take a second heavy hitting shot) then drop him to 2 damage for close combat purposes) - then switch off for running shot EE and 2 damage with a slightly juiced speed (so his running shot has a bit extra range), still tough for a couple clix - then near the end of his dial a click of blades claws and willpower as his speed starts to drop like a brick, and his defense drops to a 10

maybe put the EE at the beginning and or ? later on his dial

To those arguing for a flat 2 damage and no RCE at all... Punisher starts off using long ranged attacks, and as people get closer he switches to hand to hand - how many times have we seen frank with a long range shotgun in his hands?

With RCE he can actually hurt invulnerable guys as they approach him, instead of being completely helpless against them, then after he takes a bit of a smack he can still keep dishing it out, Hopefully after he's softened some of them up a bit (past their invulnerable down to toughness)

snipe snipe, uh oh getting close, change tactics - my cover's been blown!, grenades, knives, etc.

For punisher giving him toughness rather than Eshield would at least let him have a reasonable defense at close range while he's still in stealth, and the slight overall protection against weak thugs/henchmen that his body armor actually gave him. With stealth, it will be hard to outwit his toughness, meaning he could keep it longer and take less initial punishment, making it possible for him to survive direct blasts from tough villains/heros.

Defense 16 for 3 or 4 clix slowly dropping to a 10, attack consistent 10 - 8, as stated 2 clix of rce with 1 damage, followed by 2 the rest of his dial

[Aron]

Originally posted by Dr.Notsoevil
Mabye he dosn't feel like playing hide and seek.

DC has a stealth and RCE person(huntress with bat-man allie).
Just shows how cheap DC is with their rules compared to marvels.
How can Bat Man beat the Hulk? He would never be able to in the comics, but in hero clix the R or E Bat man just hides on a bush, outwits, and beats the crud out of INVULNERABLE guys.



Actually that's not true, huntress has 2 flat damage and no rce on her batman team version.

[mylo1wagner]

I like the idea of a 50 pt (for V) Punisher without ANY superpowers. (except possibly stealth)

He would have an 8 range two targets.

High attack value.

High defense.

No toughness but a deep dial with steady stats. Better that than a HOST of powers (from someone with no SUPER powers) and low numbers.

Stealth I like. Goes good without RCE because once he is in sniper position anybody goes BtoB gets clobbered.

Willpower would help with the above; but might not be worth it. Better to have high stats and be willing to push.

[mylo1wagner]

Possibly 2 dmg with Perplex???

Perplex would be better than Outwit (in my opinion) for Mr. Castle because he is smart and clever and tricky; but doens't have the "I take away your powers" type of gizmo's or abilities (i think of Spiderman's taunting as "outwitting" his opponets super powers because he makes them so mad they forget to use them).

Plus 2 dmg with Perplex would get him to the crucial 3 dmg needed to harm the invulnerable; if he needed it, or boost his AV, or his range. As needed.

Has the Punisher been able to harm the invulnerable????? I am a big fan from back in the day (when he was on the cover of just about every comic) but never saw him matched up against an invulnerable foe. Comic book consistancy aside; I think 2 dmg with Perplex would be awesome. If the Punisher knew there MIGHT be an invulnerable foe he had to take down, he would pack some major depleted uranium armor piercing bullets. Or SOMETHING.