If one Marvel character needs willpower it's...

[MarkRider]

Captain America gets my vote. Who would you say deserves to be the next willpower character in the Marvel Universe? Some people say Spider-Man. For my money, it's gotta be Cap. He never gives up and seems almost tireless. And besides, I'd love to see a more action oriented Cap pose.

[CooperMcP]

I definately agree on good ol' Stevie. America's greatest hero would never give in to sore muscles.

But as for other characters, i'd say Ghost Rider. He's the spirit of vengeance for pete's sake! demonic entities can't get tired or fatigued, right?

[UltraMANOS]

i think Ole cap'n should definetly get willpower.
Wolverine should get it at least his newer renditions him or Sabretooth, Why? you may ask, because they are non-stopping killing machines, their defenses should go up to a 17 w/willpower at least on their good clicks, maybe after the first or second click,once they are juiced. just my opinion

[mrtomsmith]

I say the Thing. See that old Marvel Two in One annual with the Champion's boxing match if you don't know why. (After his Invuln and Toughness go away, of course.)

[Thomthemonk]

cap is def. most deserving

[Ironman44]

Captain America hands down. I second your vote.

[Badger]

I also give the vote to the Captain !!

But I encourage us to think out of the box and not just all say "Cap" b/c we are comparing to Batman.

Just looking at what the power does though without worrying about its name i.e. it allows 2 actions every 3 turns, then it also nicely represents a character with a high powered battery like mechanism which weakens over time....like Iron Man

He should get lots of actions early on until his suit begins to lose power.

[WarHULK]

I do agree, Cap is definately the "never say die" kinda guy that should get willpower... and I don't even like Cap that much. Even as someone who doesn't particularly like Cap I think his IC figs were robbed.

I like the idea of the wolverine with willpower. Perhaps that's what Weapon X will have...

I know there's afew others I think should have Willpower but I'm too tired to think of them at this time.

[Mongoose]

I'd give Cap. America toughness at the least. He has a freaking indestructible shield.

[shin-goji]

I'd have to say Willpower is the most misunderstood power ever. By definition there is almost NO superhero worth his salt who shouldn't have it. Like Perplex, it's a poorly worded power.

[dmac7979]

I'd have to say Willpower is the most misunderstood power ever. By definition there is almost NO superhero worth his salt who shouldn't have it. Like Perplex, it's a poorly worded power.

Quite right, shin-goji. Its the same thing with outwit. What hero doesnt outthink there opponent in the end?

I would call perplex "enhancement" and enhancement "boost" or something like that.

[AshenFang]

..I say Toad! :D

I mean come on, anyone that goes for that many years, taking that many insults and mental beratement, he has to have some Will power to not have spread his slimey green brains all over a wall with a .9mm by now! :D

[shin-goji]

Then we can call Boost by the name of Ensure, then Outwit will be henceforce known as Slim Fast .

[LuckyJ]

He may have it. He has that healing factor, after all, and never quits a fight.

He'd be a good candidate. I'm not endorsing any more Wolverines.

[Angelripper]

Obviously, Cap deserves willpower.

It's a given.


Originally posted by mrtomsmith:
"I say the Thing. See that old Marvel Two in One annual with the Champion's boxing match"


Good call man.

I re-read that comic at least twice a year.

It's that good.

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by LuckyJ
He may have it. He has that healing factor, after all, and never quits a fight.

He'd be a good candidate. I'm not endorsing any more Wolverines.

Please! A healing factor is best represented by...I don't know...regeneration ?

[dmac7979]

Then we can call Boost by the name of Ensure, then Outwit will be henceforce known as Slim Fast .

Thats a good one.

[paladin72]

I think a new version of Cap w/willpower would be cool. He could be in his crouch slinging his shield instead of just standing there.

[GreenLantern04]

I believe some of you are forgetting Molecule Man... cmon... he never gave up!!

[Manchine]

I have to say Captain America, Spiderman and the Thing all should have Willpower. They all have the never say die attitude.

[Soro]

well personally i don't think logan needs willpower i mean isn't he dangerous enough as it is

regeneration
bcf
stealth
flurry in some cases

add in willpower and he becomes unstopable.

I do however agree with Cap and spidy, though not necesarrily the thing. I can see maybe daredevil (recalls images of DD fighting through kingpins building to get to him and their climactic battle )

[CKent]

Yeh I love that Marvel Two In One Annual too! One of my favorites growing up... They sure dont make comics like the way they used ta when I was a youngin'....

Thing should definately get will power... How about Colossus... he ALWAYS gets his arse kicked by way stronger guys... that means he never gives up....

[Soro]

well with people with defensive powers like toughness invunerability and regeneration I feel that THAT represents their never give up attitude.

thus I don't think colossus and thing count because they seldom get torn u like cap spidy and DD due to their extreme durability

[Vegeta1]

"I have to say Captain America, Spiderman and the Thing all should have Willpower. They all have the never say die attitude."

Ummm, you DO know this statement applies to most heroes, right?

[AdamWarlock]

Really, a lot of guys could warrant willpower, though many would require new versions for it.

Captain America: no-brainer.

Spider Man: Yet another new version, yes. He needs it for the whole "must... not... black out.... or... Aunt May... might... forget... her... pills!" factor

THANOS. He is thanos. Thanos does NOT fatigue.

Vision & Ultron. They are robots. Robots CAN'T fatigue.

And then some new guys who should by all means get it

Apocalypse

Shang-Chi

Iron Fist

Man-Thing (another entity who is unable to fatigue)

Adam Warlock (If he ever gets tired from merely exherting himself and not doing so whilst taking constant blows from enemies, he sure as heck doesn't show it)

Silver Surfer (likewise)

Namor (Likewise)

The High Evolutionary (he doesn't sleep; constantly working. He never stops, never grows tired, never fatigues.) And he'd be an AMAZING sculpt

Ka-Zar (Grim determination counts for something)

The Impossible Man, Morph, Madcap (Their bodies are near impervious to harm as they can just shape shift the damage away, and in the same note, since their muscles are so malleable, they never really tire, not even from repetitive stress. They are immune to carpal tunnel syndrome!)

Nimrod, Bastion, Master Mold, Alkhema (female ultron), Jocasta, Donald Pierce, Lady Deathstrike, Skullbuster, Bonebreaker, Pretty Boy (The Reavers), The Super Adaptoid, Dragon Man, Machinesmith, Professor Power, Arnim Zola, Doughboy, Red Tornado, Amazo, Tomorrow Woman, Metallo.... ALL ROBOTS. Robots do not fatigue until they go for centuries with bad or nonexistant maintainance and begin to rust.

[DTM]

Before I even read a simgle post on this board, I had Captain America in mind, NO DOUBT. Even though Cap is a "normal" man, hes ALWAYS one of the last Avengers to fall, if he does at all. And thats not because of his super powers, because for the most part he doesnt have any. Hes no where near as strong as Iron Man and Thor, yet its usually always those 3 that are the last Avengers standing in a huge battle. Last man again Thanos and the Infinity Gauntlet. First man to reach Dr. Doom/The Beyonder during the Secret Wars. Remember Emperor Doom, when Doom used Purple Man to take over the earth? Who did Wonder Man (who was immune to PMs effects) first try to break out of his spell? Captain America, thats who. Capt A is SO TOUGH not so much because of his physical strength, but moreso due to his MENTAL strength. And thats why this hero DEFINATELY deserves Willpower in my book. Over Spiderman, Over Wolverine, Over Thing DEFINATELY.

[Random]

without going into why and all, I say Spiderman is the one who REALLY deserves it

[sengirv]

Originally posted by AshenFang
..I say Toad! :D

I mean come on, anyone that goes for that many years, taking that many insults and mental beratement, he has to have some Will power to not have spread his slimey green brains all over a wall with a .9mm by now! :D

If someone tries to off themselves with a 9mm, then they are too stupid to live anyway.

[AdamWarlock]

On the same note as DTM, that got me thinking as to the people CAPTAIN AMERICA chose early-on to try to snap out of Morgan Le Fey's mind control in the first storyline of Avengers vol.3

These people, I believe, were:
HAWKEYE (Cap's #1 choice)
Justice / Marvel Boy
Captain Marvel (Female), aka Photon
Quasar (Bah...)
D-man / Demolition Man

And on that note of mind control storylines.... really, anybody in the game should get mind control before Moondragon, though I doubt they'd do a 2nd version of her, though she SHOULD be in Avengers or Defenders. Even though she's possessed the Mind Gem before and should by all means be controlling others, every time there is a big all-star-lineup story where the villain is mind controlling the good guys, Moondragon becomes head lackey #1 (Avengers vol. 3 #'s 1-3, Infinity Crusade, etc).

[Pip the Troll]

Yea i have to agree with sengirv 100%
captain america has also gone one on one with hercules and even Thor and would not go down due to sure force of will
he would definaltly have willpower

also the other charecter that i say is just as deserving is Frank Castle, the punisher he neevr ever gives up either and hes just a man who keeps pushing and pushing
i understand why people would say wolverine and sabertooth should have it and maybe they do but not to the extent that cap and punisher do
also they should have toughness over willpower anyway

cheers

[Corwin]

I don't know about Marvel Two in One, but the DEFINITION of Willpower and The Thing is found in FF #40 The Battle of the Baxter Builder. He took on Doc Doom in human form, and against his will was transformed back to Thing and gave Doom his most ignonimous defeat. "Mebbe I'm just too stupid to die!" One of the greatest comic book achievements of Stan Lee's great career.

When Ben Grimm yells It's Clobberin' Time, it's his will power against yours.

I couldn't really disagree with his stats and abilities but I always felt something was missing, and Willpower is the answer to fixing him.

The title says "The one" and Benjamin J. Grimm is the one. That's my story and I'm sticking with it.

corwin

[Doctor Strange]

Well, Doctor Octopus has it. He's not really a "never say quit" guy either.

[DTM]

Actually, I think he has it because its not his actual self thats doing the attacking or taking the actions, its his 4 mechanical arms. Therefore, he himself wouldnt be the one to get tired if his tentacles are doing the fighting for him.

Who has Willpower now anyway? Batman, Dr. Doom, Red Skull, and Octopus, is that it? If so, I definately see Capt A, and even The Punisher, fitting in there. Basically because theyre physically normal human characters, that more than routinely go up against NON human situations or face NON human foes.

[StormKnight]

Well, Doctor Octopus has it. He's not really a "never say quit" guy either.

In Doc Oc's case, I think his Willpower is due to his 4 tentacles; he can walk with two and whack with another two without expending himself. He can't quite Charge or make a running show, but he can do two things at once, so he gets willpower.
In his case, he fits what the ability DOES rather than what its called.

[IJIT]

The easiest way to decide if a remake of captain should have willpower is to compare him to the king of willpower...THE DARK KNIGHT!

Batman is a human with no mutants powers.
Captain America is a human with no mutant powers, although he does have super soldier enhancements.

Batman is strong, athletic, and trains everyday to be ready for any situation.
Captain America is strong, athletic, and trains everyday to be ready for any situation.

Batman is smart.
Captain America is smart.

If you think about it Cap and Batman are very similar, so if Batman has WP I see no problem giving WP to a new version of Cap.

Besides we desperatley need a new mod of cap. The first one is good, but I would like to see one that is a more superb representation of Cap.

[bullseye100]

I also believe that cap should get Will Power. I would also like to see these characters get it as well:

Spiderman

Ironman

Wolverine

apocolypse

this is it so far

[Soro]

batman
doc ock
doom
red skull

these are the only people with will power (excluding LE figures)

if we look for a common thread its not that they all have some great driving never say die attitude thay are all talented at fighting multiple opponents at once, that is in fact the effect of the power. putting the name aside if you look at the effect you'll see that a lot of people don't deserve it.

thing is on a team and relies on 3 other people to pick up the slack wheras doom fights all four of them at once


I still think Cap and spidy have earned it and maby daredevil but not really anyone else I can think of who is out right now (maybe the new electra unique from elektra assasin)

I do agree with Punisher,

Basically i'd vote for any non or low superpowered vigilante who fights tons of goons OR a villan who can face down a team of heros alone.

[TheLion]

I'd rather see a Cap with Defend or Invulnerability for a few clix. I think that defines the character and the use of his shield.

If the game designers are looking at this (and their have been numerous threads on this subject) I hope they don't just throw Cap out there with willpower to satisfy the "armchair" figure designers.

Cap with ES/D on his first few clix is great because it allows him to have a high defense to get through ranged attacks, and close to an opponent figure. After losing ES/D I would rather see him gain a few clix of invulnerability to show how hard it is to hit him up close. Keep his stats fairly even thoughout the dial because he is such a great fighter, so pushing him to the invulnerability (if you need to) won't be a waste.

Or

Give him a few clix of defend (with a boost to his defense stat) after he takes a few hits to allow him to defend some of the Avengers with lower defenses (like maybe a Hercules, Black Panther, or Hawkeye) to keep them in the game.

Or

Switching to damage powers giv him a few clix of perplex instead of outwit. If anyone on the Avengers can effect his team mates or opponents it should be Cap.

Willpower seems to be the canned response for powers that Cap should have, but I would rather see powers that make him more of a team player (other than leadership).

[JustFrodo]

You can already play Cap with the never-say-die attitude - just push him alot. If I gave him WP, it would be for his resiliance due to Sooper Soldier Serum, not the character's actual willpower.

Better yet - I'll make a custom Zombie Bucky fig with Support on his dial. Then Cap can push all he wants!

[Valandar]

There's one major difference between Batman and Cap, and all the other Willpower candidates you have named so far.

Batman is obsessed. Driven to an almost inhuman level. In a "real world" scenario, he would likely work himself to death with his grim crusade.

Captain America, on the other hand, has no real driving goal besides "Help people and defend the American Dream". Not a nearly superhuman drive.


If anyone in Marvel, besides those already with it, should have Willpower on description alone, I think it would be Magneto - Driven by his own overwhelming goals, and also takes on entire superteams at once.

If we assign it to characters based on what the power actually does in game, however, why don't more speedsters have it? They can usually run and fight for incredibly extended periods, and rarely show any signs of exhaustion at all.

I think we should balance the two, both to keep Willpower as a rare and exceptionally useful ability, and to keep the flavor and tone of the comics. Remember, Willpower isn't "willpower", or strength of will (or why don't Prof X and Doc Strange have it?), it's either in intense inner drive, or some other unique circumstance besides mere speed.

[DTM]

I posted these stats for Captain America a while ago, I think they really represent a nice mixture of all ES/D, Defend, and Willpower, and really show him as the undying force for Freedom hes made out to be in the comics.

Captain America

Veteran
Point Cost: 105
Avengers Team Affiliation
Range: 6
Arrows: 3

Speed: 10 9 9 9 8 8 7 7 6 KO KO KO
Attack: 11 10 10 9 9 8 7 6 5 KO KO KO
Defense: 17 16 16 15 15 14 13 12 11 KO KO KO
Damage: 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 KO KO KO

Im sorry, but the Captain America we got in IC is a very watered down version of the Hero he really is. Oh, hes good for the points he costs, but he aint Captain America. Heres hoping hes one of the very next re-do's they redo.

[Valandar]

I assume the three arrows aren't to represent throwing his shield three times, but rather his ability to "ricochet" his shield off several targets?

[CapedCrusader]

If (WHEN) they make Punisher, he should most certainly have Willpower. He is probably just as obsessed as Batman.

[Valandar]

Okay, that I can agree with... but only for his first few clix.

[DTM]

You got it Valandar, the 3 arrows are to represent his amazing ability to throw his Shield and have it bounce around, hitting many opponents at once. I figure 2 arrows for his Exp and 1 for his Rookie would be nice. I posted this here to show how he could have Energy Shield (Using his Shield to protect himself), Defend (Using his Shield to protect others near him) and Willpower all through his dial at various times. Overall, a closer representation of the figure Id have liked to have seen for Capt America.

[TheLion]

After playing some Avengers only games I'd rather see a Cap without leadership. With all of the free moves, it's not really a factor. I use his leadership more if he is on a non-Avenger team. If they are going to make a new Cap give him perplex and make the other teams fear him when he get's near Thor or Hercules.

Plus, a 105 point Cap (especially with leadership) is going to spend a lot of time in the box. Face it, Cap is a support player on the Avengers. He rarely takes on the big guns (sending in Thor or Iron Man) and he should be the top-drawer support killer on the Avengers. At 105, he's too expensive, especially when you need the points for Thor, Vision, or Hercules.

Also, you give him defend at his higher attack values and willpower when he drops to an 8, it seems like a waste if you are going to give him willpower.

I would like to see another Cap but I hope the new designer really looks at what he brings to the Avengers before going by the fan response on any site.

The jury is going to be out on the Spider-Man with SS, and I wouldn't be surprised to see people complaining about him not long after X-plosion comes out.

[DTM]

Well true, he does have Defend first, when his AV is higher, and Willpower afterwards, when its slightly lower, (though not really a low value) but thats because in my mind, he uses his Shield to block attacks directed at himself or others first and foremost, secondarily using Willpower when he was taking a hurting, since it would come up at half way down his dial to represent him pushing through the pain of battle and becoming all the stronger for it. Having Willpower in the beginning of your dial doesnt make too much sense to me, since in the start of a battle I really dont see anyone buckling down and pushing through. You push through when theres adversity and obstacles in your way, and I dont see that happening too often when the character is at full Health. True hes more expensive, but he really is one of the best Avengers, and Marvel Heroes as a whole, in the comics today, and I feel his HC should really show that. Hercules should be priced higher, with slightly better body armor in his beginning, and some Charge as well, I feel. An 88 point cost Vet Hercules just doesnt seem right. Though I do like your suggestion about having Perplex to represent his Leadership abilities, in causing fear in his enemies (reducing their values) or inspiration in his allies (rasing their values). Its a shame Leadership wasnt made as such at the start, I think as you say, Perplex could really be used to represent a brave and competent Leader......though thats not how WK made it, so Id have to stick with their version of Leadership over Perplex for Cap for now. He is after all the BEST Leader in Marvel, possibly in comics as a whole.

[DTM]

Oh, and for the record, Im really not a huge Capt America fan. :) But fan or not, I definately think he got jipped with his HC.

[MarkRider]

I think someone is thinking about Cap as an Avenger too much and that's clouding his position on a Cap figure with willpower. He does operate alone in his own book. A unique Cap without the Avengers team ability would make an interesting character. He does seem to play a leadership role and take a back seat to Thor and the heavy hitters in the Avengers, but on his own he often has to push through the obstacles and overcome the odds, basically fighting with an entirely different strategy. I can see the es/d to start, then some willpower, and ending with some toughness. Also, outwhit and perplex in the damage slot instead of leadership to more closely mimic "solo Cap". But I don't want to seem like an "arm chair designer" or anything. Contradict away.

[TheLion]

I am a Cap fan and I agree with you. However, IC was the first set and things have improved from there. Still, since the Avengers are the most well rounded of the teams I can find room for the IC version of Cap. I used to be a staunch defender of Cap having leadership, but after having played some all-Avengers teams I don't see the value. The free move from the team ability is enough to intimidate most players, especially at how fast you can get the team into position.

I would like to see a new unique of Cap, but I just don't buy the willpower argument. Like I said above, Perplex with Outwit, ES/D with Defend and maybe a click or two of invulnerability (no one can touch him when he's got that shield) and definitlely a figure under 100 points to fit into any team (200+).

Cap isn't a powerhouse but he should be a figure to fear, especially when he is teamed with someone else.

[TheLion]

Originally posted by MarkRider
But I don't want to seem like an "arm chair designer" or anything.

Just wait until the complaints about the new Spider-Man from X-Plosion start. :rolleyes:

[IJIT]

Valander

Cap is driven to an inhuman level as well. Why was he so obsessed with avenging Bucky's Death? Why was he obsessed with destroying Zemo? Similar to Batman he had someone close to him die. So I don't buy that argument as to why Batman had Willpower but it would not be ok for Cap to have WP.

[checkeredman]

CAP is far and away the single most deserving figure to have Willpower. Sure Dok Ock is great to use w/ WP, but CAP deserved it long before him.

I'd like to see a CAP version with WP and CCE along with his other abilities. How about a CAP version when he lost his shield and he had that (lame) "energy" shield. A CAP figure in a more dynamic action pose, with a translucent shield, charging into battle... Hell yeah!

[Valandar]

Originally posted by IJIT
Valander

Cap is driven to an inhuman level as well. Why was he so obsessed with avenging Bucky's Death? Why was he obsessed with destroying Zemo? Similar to Batman he had someone close to him die. So I don't buy that argument as to why Batman had Willpower but it would not be ok for Cap to have WP.

Yes, he was distraught over Bucky's death. Yes, he was driven to DEFEAT, not destroy, Zemo. But he did not constantly obsess over it the way Batman does, it did not almost completely consume him the way it does Batman.

I must hereby agree to disagree with you. I cannot see Cap as being driven as the Dark Knight.

[Mournblade]

Well, then the question becomes not whether Captain America is as driven as Batman, but whether he's driven enough to earn Willpower.

I say 'Ya!'

[PMMJ]

Originally posted by Mournblade
Well, then the question becomes not whether Captain America is as driven as Batman, but whether he's driven enough to earn Willpower.

I say 'Ya!'

See, I don't think he is. Batman, for instance, is crazy. He dresses like a bat to punch pursesnatchers, because his parents were killed. That's just not normal, folks.

[Pallas Athene]

Dunno, maybe I'm nuts, but shouldn't Prof. Xavier have Willpower?

He's the most powerful Mutant Mind (if you believe X-Men propaganda ;) ) so wouldn't he qualify?

Figures I'd most like to se in the Future?

Longshot and Dazzler (just for fun)
Jubilee
Kitty Pryde
Yuriko (i think there should be a 'team' caled Wolverine Allies or something)
Destiny (maybe her weirdo power would be that she could undo your opponent's last move!)
Um CABLE??? I want my HBO!!!

;)

[bullseye100]

I believe cap no longer uses the super soldier serum. I believe he took it out. I believe I read it in a past issue. He was battling crossbones in this issue. At the end he had it removed. He now is just an average, albeit, very athletic human...

[Mournblade]

Originally posted by PMMJ


See, I don't think he is. Batman, for instance, is crazy. He dresses like a bat to punch pursesnatchers, because his parents were killed. That's just not normal, folks.

If I undertand you right, you need to be crazy to have Willpower? What standard are you setting for Willpower?

Doctor Octopus has Willpower, so what kind of comparisons can you make between Batman and Dr. Octopus? Dr. Octopus is more dedicated than Captain America?

[Gambit]

I would love to see a new version of Cap...I don't use in a battle because he dosen't do much. He should get CCE because he kicks @$$ with that #### sheild. Also, RCE because any one that can throw a 100-300 Lbs. sheild and can hit three people with come on... he has to have it. WP=DEFINATELY!!! Perplex wouldbe awsome at the end of his dial to show that no mater how bad he is beaten down he comes back to kick your butt!!

[TheLion]

Originally posted by MarkRider
I think someone is thinking about Cap as an Avenger too much and that's clouding his position on a Cap figure with willpower.

I think this is the problem right here with the argument for Cap to have will power.

Batman is at his best when he works alone, and I think his abilities reflect that. All except the veteran version which is the worst one of the lot. I would never use it, and prefer the unique.

Cap is the ultimate team player, whether he is working with or without the Avengers, and the powers in his figure should reflect that. That's why I would argue for defend and perplex (even over leadership because of the Avengers team ability) over willpower because it represents the character more.

It all boils down to people think that Cap and Batman are comparable and since Batman got willpower cap should have it, too.

I think they are two very differnt characters and their powers in their figures should reflect that. I use the IC Cap and if WK is going to make a unique, I would rather have a character on the same theme as IC Cap, but with different powers to throw into the mix.

I already have all the Batman figures, I don't need another one.

[SteveRogers]

Captain America got screwed in IC no matter how you toss the dice!! Although I do use Cap. in every battle, I still would like to see antoher version. He deserved so much more than just charge, leadership, and energy shield/ deflection. We all know that a new version of Cap. isn't in the upcoming Xplosion set, but they better make him in the set after that. And when they do, he should have at least close range combat expertise or long range combat expertise. WP is almost a definite, toughness IS a definite, defend is another definite, perplex, and finally running shot (mind you, all these abilities go down the dial). The super solider serum gives him an up, but the serum combined with his mighty shield is the best combo.

[LuckyJ]

This is an old thread and all, but I've got to point something out...

Please! A healing factor is best represented by...I don't know...regeneration ?

Shin...look at Weapon X's dial and tell me what color you see on defense. PURPLE! I was right!

[DareDevil9]

Nick Furry?:ermm:

[Doctor Strange]

I like how the exp version has stealth. I think it represents the "solo" captain america very well because when he's by himself, he's often sneaky without all that muscle to boss around.

[sol]

Originally posted by SteveRogers
Captain America got screwed in IC no matter how you toss the dice!! Although I do use Cap. in every battle, I still would like to see antoher version. He deserved so much more than just charge, leadership, and energy shield/ deflection. We all know that a new version of Cap. isn't in the upcoming Xplosion set, but they better make him in the set after that. And when they do, he should have at least close range combat expertise or long range combat expertise. WP is almost a definite, toughness IS a definite, defend is another definite, perplex, and finally running shot (mind you, all these abilities go down the dial). The super solider serum gives him an up, but the serum combined with his mighty shield is the best combo.


While I consider myself the epitome of a Cap fan, I don't think he should get ranged combat expert, and while you could make a case for a lot of the other abilites you named, a higher damage value willpower and the existing set he has would work for me.


Btw, you forgot "Good Work, Soldier!" in your signature.

[Shadowgt]

I'd say good ol' Captain America, just like 90% of everyone else says.

I'd also bet that they'll be re-making Cap in the next Marvel set. It NEEDS to be done!

[Wasteland]

For my 2 C (Even though it may not be worth that )

I know I don't see Cap with Perplex at all. He is a more straightforward kind of guy. I see him with Enhance more than Perplex, that's for sure. My Cap is as follows:

Move:__8_RS__8__Ch_7_LC_7_LC_6_RS_6_____5_____5
Attack:_11____10____10____9____9_In__8_In__8_____7
Def:___18_ES_17_ES_17_D_16_D_16_W_15_W_15_T__14_T
Dam:___3_Le__2_Le__2_Le_2_Le_2_OW_1_OW_1_OW_1_OW

8 Range, 3 Bolts
Avengers Team
Unique

This would be the man. Coming at 105 points, very playable. Definately a lot of fun. And accurate to the character, I think. WHat do you all think?

Wasteland

[Xorn]

PROF X!

come on, he is the most powerful mind on the earth!

[SteveRogers]

Wasteland, that is a great dial!! Sol, thanks for the other quote.

[DoomX]

Willpower is nice, but i'd rather see a new Cap start with Toughness that leads into Willpower. But i agree that he seems to call out for the ability somewhere in his dial.

[Nighthawk]

Unique Cap in the next set should have:

Movement- start with Charge, get Leap/Climb.

Attack- High attack Value (11 at least) nothing or the dreaded Incapacitate. I'd rather nothing to keep the cost down.

Defense- start with High Defense, like 17 or 18, and defending. he does it better than Invisible Girl, then drop down, after 1 or 2 clicks, to Willpower for like 2 or 3 clicks, then to toughness until his last click

Damage- should start with leadership (it's what he does early on) and 3 damage for start and 1 more click, then drop down to 2 damage for the rest of the dial and go to CCE for 2 clicks, then 2 clicks of outwit and then end on willpower.

He should have either 4 or 6 range and two targets.

IMHO

[Nighthawk]

ok, it won't let me edit.
Scratch Willpower from the damage column since he can't have that there,
D'oh!

[Deadfish]

Lots of good dials for cap but I have to agree with the ones who picked the Thing-I've got 30+ year-old comics where Ben fought through unimaginable forces/opponants to get in that last telling blow where everyone else was out of it-that should be the deffination of willpower:classic: