Underrated fig article on WK site

[JerryReedStyle]

Have you guys read it?

Among the 'underrated' characters are:
Doombot
U Wasp
Doc Oc
R Invisible Girl

Underrated by WHO??

Around here there are more teams fielding these figs than you can shake a dead cat at!!

[Spookythecat]

Well, it's probably different where the author plays. There's a heck of a lot of variation among venues in terms of which figures are popular. Heck, I play at a couple different stores, and every different venue has some figures that have become really pouplar in one (And only one) gaming group, that I *never* see other places. Hercules, Darkseid, Vet. Human Torch, are all really popular at one place, and non-existent at others.

On the other hand, (R) Inviisbile Girl and Doombots seem like no brainers to me.

[TheSpirit]

Yes, that list certainly is puzzling. I'm surprised Firelord isn't on it...

[malchyor]

yeah, i was just on my way here to post about this. it's unbeleiveable!!!!

exp ultron? rook invis girl? U wasp? doombot, for christsakes???

does this guy play underground with a mirror as an opponent?

go to any tourney with more than 3 people playing and you'll find just about every figure on his list.....

and it's not just this judge "samebattime", i'm ranting about. how did wizkids decide to post his article over others? i mean, i know they play the game too, and could easily tell that it wasn't accurate....

i mean, yeah, if he'd listed constrictor or something i'd have at least read to look at his argument, but this is crazy.....

[Coach]

How do you experts feel about Grodd? I was mind controlling my son's flash all over the board the other night, it was nasty and fun at the same time. With Hypersonic he could run to batman, get a punch in, then end up conveniently right next to Solomon Grundy and Black Manta.

[JerryReedStyle]

I wouldn't refer to myself as any kind of expert....but I REALLY like Grodd!!

[gelf13]

Originally posted by TheSpirit
Yes, that list certainly is puzzling. I'm surprised Firelord isn't on it...

Why? He-who-shall-not-be-named is certainly not "Underrated" by anyone. Underpriced? well, let's not get into that again, but underrated? Not unless my definition of the word is wrong.

I wouldn't refer to myself as any kind of expert....but I REALLY like Grodd!!

I think it was a marvel only list.

[TheSpirit]

Has anyone here submitted an article for consideration there? I'm wondering how many they receive. There aren't any on the DC side at all.

and gelf, my comment on Firelord was sarcastic.

[JerryReedStyle]

I'm thinkin' that Firelord reference MAY have been sarcastic...

[Funky Jett]

Gelf... I think that was his point. NONE of those figures listed in the article are underrated. It's rare when I don't see U Wasp or R Invisible Girl on a team (unless it's a specific scenario that requires a specific team). Heck, in my last tournament I had a Doombot taxiing Doc Oc around!

[TalonMC]

Even though there are *many* figures that I've yet to play on my own teams, I know that most of the figures on this list are very common in this neck of the woods and I've also seen them listed and discussed in *numerous* team threads here. It's possible that strategies vary by area, but some of these figures are just too commonly mentioned online to be considered "underrated".

Originally posted by TheSpirit
Has anyone here submitted an article for consideration there? I'm wondering how many they receive.I actually submitted one just last night. We'll see if they decide to post it or not.

-MC

[Aron]

Well going by the list posted at the top of the thread of those figs only possibly Doc Ock rookiee and U wasp are underatted in my area... nobody seems to use U wasp at all (partly because she cant hit the broad side of a barn, and high attack values rip through her defenses and tear her a new one)
*shrug*

[gelf13]

Ooops, Sorry. The sarcasm went <woosh> ...right over my head.
D'OH!
As Rosanne Rosannadanna (or was it Emily Littella?) said:
"Oh, That's very different. Never Mind."
Gelf

[AZS]

I agree with Aron. I don't think U wasp is worth it for leadership. Especially now with V doombot. (also not underrated, I see him used all the time).
I think Vet Wasp is underrated vs the Exp Wasp. For the 4 points I like the extra attack range (6) and that you can push her without losing movement. But again, I haven't even really used Vet wasp since V Doombot took over.

Also on the underated list, Vet puppet master. :confused: Yeah he can share his attack value with a sinsyn, but he's still 56 pts o' cr@p.

However, I completely agree that E Controller is underrated. There's no better figure for MCing 100+ pt opponents. He takes the click, and just gets better. In fact, I think I'll go write a review about him now.

[shin-goji]

I do have to wonder what this guy's angle was. R Invisible Girl is the figure to use in any tourney, especially with a team rife with RCE, EE, and Energy Deflection. I have seen more Invisible Girls at tourneys than Fez's at a Shriner's convention! Doombots may not be cheap taxis, but the V Doombot is another must have. And E Ultron underrated? This is one of the pillars of the Hero-Clix world!

[DS-00-0, FSD]

A few issues about the article:

1. Region specific. Sometimes people do play different stuff in different areas. If that's the case, then it's understandable why some of these figs are on here.

2. One man's interpretation. This is one person's interpretation of figs that he thinks should see more play. Maybe he loves these figs and thinks they should be in EVERY team. He's got a right to his opinion. Perhaps the use of "under-rated" is wrong.

3. I agree that most of these figs see play. Heck, three of the figs are on a top ten article that I have written for WK's site.

4. To TheSpirit: As TalonMC posted, they do recieve a lot of articles. I've submitted two and am currently waiting for them to see posting. I know one is going to probably get threads started just like this one, because when you look at a "Top Ten" sort of article, there will always be people who disagree with you.

[Mr. Pilkington]

Hey, I used the LE Puppet Master to good effect against the FF once. Got a lucky MC (wasn't even usign Syndicate) and had Thing clock Reed with a Soda Machine for a one hit KO. It was sweet. But I know, also very very atypical. :D

As for U Wasp, she may be seeing less play since CT came out, but I used to see her all the time. Doombots really have taken over the txi business.

[Mumakil]

Hi Guys, I'm a Spanish student at Leeds (UK)

I agree about some miniatures are very popular in some places and some are under-rated. But I was in a tournament 3 weeks ago and I saw a lot of Firelords & Doombots on the tables. This didn't surprised me. The only curious thing: I was the only one using Wasp U.

[Batman1983]

In my opinion I like E boomerang over V Bullseye as my "friend of Ultron" in 300pt games. They both drop (dead) after a couple of turns so I prefer the cheaper one w/ EE & RCE over the range & RCE Bullseye brings. 9 pts can be very necesary when fielding E Ultron. Other than that I don't care who's underated I can make up my own mind as to what I play.

[Aron]

Originally posted by azs

Also on the underated list, Vet puppet master. :confused: Yeah he can share his attack value with a sinsyn, but he's still 56 pts o' cr@p.

I haven't used Phillip masters (the 56 point LE) myself but the 42 point vet puppet master is pretty brutal. I've used him to mind control firelord a few times. The short range does suck though. (he's fun and a bit more effective with batman team though)

I agree with your other points vet wasp is far superior for the extra points, altho yea, doombots seem to have taken over even over her

E Controller is a really great fig, with regen to boot and one of very few figs who gets better as he gets the tar beat out of him :P

[shin-goji]

The best use for a V Puppet Master is to team him up with an E Ultron or any Doom.

[zeppelined]

My personal underrated list, just to add fuel to the debate:

1). Red Skull. The Poison/Mastermind combo is awesome. Taxi him in to a pile of enemies with a R Vulture. I once did 10 clicks of damage in 3 turns with him by doing this.
2). Sabretooth. I hardly ever see anyone use him, but I think all his versions are well worth the points. You can push him mercilesly and chew even Invulnerable opponents to bits, and then regenerate and do it all over again. For the points, he's superior to Wolverine, though Logan is a good alternative.
3). R Hydra Agent. Hey, for 9 points, I'll take the ability to boost my attack any day. Plus, put him with some MOD, or pair him with someone who has Mastermind, and you get a ton of use out of that 9 points.


Ed

[NateTG]

Here's the list:

10. EV Doombot
Hmm, never heard anything bad about these. Not sure why anyone would consider them underrated.
09. E Controller
IMHO Significantly underated. Fits into a lot of places on a team, but hurt by his lack of range. He seems to be gaining a little popularity though.
08. V Shield Snipers
This is a great piece. He's about as good as V Vampire Lackey, but doesn't get nearly the attention.
07. U Wasp
*blink* Not sure how anyone could put her on a underrated list.
06. R Doc. Ock
Low Defense + Short Dial=22 points for my opponent. No Stealth, long range, or free movement to protect him. He does everything equally poorly.
05. V Puppet Master
A combination of poor range, poor attack values, poor defense, short dial and poor powers. Not worth the points on his own, not worth the points with most taxis. Potentially usable as a bodyguard/damage sink/supporter for big figs like Annihillus, Ultron or Dr.Doom. That's about it.
04. R Invisible Girl
IMHO overrated. You spend 37 points to give figures a high defense, and then set yourself up for EE attacks. She's not a horrible figure, but I don't think that she's all that.
03. E Ultron
How anyone could put a figure that many people cite as something that compares well to Firelord on an underrated list is beyond me.
02. U Moondragon
A contender for the title "Firelord Killer" Moondragon is a great piece, and she does provide a long string of useful powers, backed up by regeneration, but nobody denies that she's a great piece.
01. E Boomerang
E Boomerang is versitile, and can be great in certain situations, but doesn't compare favorably with E Bullseye who costs 3 points less. This may change with Xplosion because of cheap enhancement, but we're not there yet.

So, figures from the list that I consider underrated:
E Controller
V SHIELD Sniper

Figures on the list that I consider overrated:
R Doc Ock
R Invisible Girl

And there are figures out there that are underrated:
V Whirlwind
V Quicksilver
E Annihillus
U Red Skull
V Mr. Hyde
R Sandman
R Logan

[Spookythecat]

I like Boomerang better than the (Vastly Overrated) Bullseye. Bullseye does three damage with a hit. Boomerang and a Shield Agent can do upwards of ten clicks in one attack, easily.

Essentially, I think the point of this article was to show what can be done with Team Abilities. Which some people haven't caught onto yet...

This is a pretty dang good point, methinks.

[raven2]

that article angered me because i learned the truth. one tournament i busted out r invisl. women with the intent of surrounding her with my team to boost all the defences. and since no one had ever tried to do this and we never use defend much. so the judge said you could only use it on one player per turn.

[Billy Jack]

Actually the most underated figs around these parts are Puppet Master and Boomerang. heh Two figs one with three ranged attacked and energy explosion and the other with mind control. Seems to me makes for a potent combo remember the first rule of combat do not underestimate anyone. BJ.

[ludd_gang]

Originally posted by Spookythecat
I like Boomerang better than the (Vastly Overrated) Bullseye. Bullseye does three damage with a hit. Boomerang and a Shield Agent can do upwards of ten clicks in one attack, easily.



Yeah, but he has to roll a successful attack first.:p


As for R Doc Oc- He's a good fig for LATE game when you've lost a fig or two, then his Willpower really shines.

[Batman1983]

I play potently... there isn't usually a 'late game'. don't get me wrong I'm not knocking you I just don't use R Doc oc. I do know what you mean though.

Underated:

E boomerang (kinda)
R Huntress (yeah I know he didn't do DC)
Steel (not so much underated as not used)
E & V Whirlwind (I'm suprised V isn't a staple on close combat teams)
I'll get back to this I'm going to read about the new Crymson Dynamo.