Print and Play: In Color or Not?

[Spider-Bat]

This came up tonight, as I had made a Golden Age team, but we were running "Silver Age" (Golden Age with no BFC's or Feats). I had 42 points to fill in that would have otehrwise been 4 Armor Piericngs, so I printed out 2 Congo Bill/Congorillas and an Amanda Waller. I did this at work, on the quick printer, so it was black and white.

Every one there knows what the pogs were (Leap/Climb and Super Strength on the ape, Willpower on the Humans), but it did bring up the idea of someone not knowing the pogs and another player taking advantage of that yo give someone Poison, or Super Senses, or... whatever.

Seeing as Gen Con is rapidly approaching, is there an official ruling on if the Print and Play aspects would need to be in color? I can perfectly read a Feat, BFC, or ATA in black and white, but Bystanders or Objects can lead to confusion. Is it going to be left to the Gen Con judges to decide then and there? Are they going to be expected to check any questions/verify printed pogs? How will that work?

[Suttkus]

Wrong forum. This is the "FORUM rules" forum. Game rules go in the "Heroclix Rules of Combat" forum.

[nbperp]

The rules do not specify, so I wouldn't eliminate a B&W printout out of hand. However, I will ask anyone with a B&W printout that matters (Bystaders, Objects, etc.) to bring it to a judges attention so that they can "certify" on the army sheet (or on the PNP element itself, if the player is willing) what colors are missing.

[dweez009]

What about digital copies for feats and ATAs

[DKJedi]

I'm confused. What part of the word "print" would allow for a digital copy?

[dweez009]

I'm confused. What part of the word "print" would allow for a digital copy?
Theres an exception to every rule. Plus "show and play" isnt as catchy.

[Questions]

I'm confused. What part of the word "print" would allow for a digital copy?

All part of the WizKids deforestation policy.

[nbperp]

All part of the WizKids deforestation policy.

When I was a child I fell out of a tree. Upon landing on the ground, the branch I was on snapped off and landed on top of me.

Since that day, I have hated trees and been relatively annoyed with anture in general.

LIGHT 'EM UP, BOYS!

[Questions]

When I was a child I fell out of a tree. Upon landing on the ground, the branch I was on snapped off and landed on top of me.

You broke the branch when you hit the ground? Wow! Now that takes talent.

[red king]

You broke the branch when you hit the ground? Wow! Now that takes talent.

Maybe it was a really low branch?

[Questions]

Maybe it was a really low branch?

In other words, I'm giving nbperp too much credit for talent.

[normalview]

Maybe the tree was actively trying to kill him, even at the expense of ripping off one of its own limbs and hurling at the fallen RA.

I'd probably hate trees, too, if they were actually attacking me.

[Harpua]

Hmm...did the tree roll a 12 or did nbperp roll a 2?

[PONX]

Hmm...did the tree roll a 12 or did nbperp roll a 2?

mind boggling...

[thanosstar]

I was wondering about this to.

[RavenProject]

Still hunting the elusive kite-eating tree...

-J

[SWTony]

mind boggling...

Did you just say mind bottling? ;)

[commandercool]

My printer prints orange as green and green as purple sometimes, so when I print off feats in color they look like special objects, and the special objects look like battlefield conditions. I've never tried it with bystanders before, but that would be even more troublesome.

[Suttkus]

The question about digital copies wasn't actually answered.

And I thought only dwarves hated trees (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/ootslatest.html).

[Munchoboy]

The question about digital copies wasn't

5 will get you 10 the answer is a resounding "No" to digital copies. :cool:

[Questions]

The question about digital copies wasn't actually answered.

DKJedi's post was basically saying digital copies are not enough. You need to actually print it.

[Spider-Bat]

DKJedi's post was basically saying digital copies are not enough. You need to actually print it.

Which I agree with, but I also think that having a digital copy fromt he site, or at least 1 physical copy will help with this kind of stuff. I guess really good judges will have a printed out binder with one of every pog, or have access to the internet, to verify them.


And bring cup cakes/treats to games. ;)

[VanisherPunisher]

The question about digital copies wasn't actually answered.

And I thought only dwarves hated trees (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/ootslatest.html).

We know that you need to have a printed version for every copy of a feat on your force. Keeping that in mind I don't think digital copies are a problem if you have an iPhone or something similar for every feat/BFC you are using. So, if you want to have six copies of Lunge on your team, you better have six iPhones to show them all.

[Harpua]

We know that you need to have a printed version for every copy of a feat on your force. Keeping that in mind I don't think digital copies are a problem if you have an iPhone or something similar for every feat/BFC you are using. So, if you want to have six copies of Lunge on your team, you better have six iPhones to show them all.

As far as I know, stuff like iphones will not be allowed to be sitting one the tabletops at Gencon.

[Questions]

As far as I know, stuff like iphones will not be allowed to be sitting one the tabletops at Gencon.

Now that's going to be an interesting policy.

[normalview]

Now that's going to be an interesting policy.

Makes sense, though.

Not much of a difference between a smart phone and a laptop and the temptation (or even just the implied possibility) of pulling up the 'realms units section for help could be too great to risk. Best to remove just remove the source of temptation and implied impropriety all together.

So if you want to keep track of your own time, for example, better to bring a stop watch or something similarly low-tech.

[Munchoboy]

Now that's going to be an interesting policy.

It's not that unusual or unexpected.

Typically at larger Heroclix events, only the elements necessary for the actual game are allowed on the table (figures, dice, PAC, etc...).

Phones, food, timers, notes, etc...are not allowed on the table during an event.

So if you want to keep track of your own time, for example, better to bring a stop watch or something similarly low-tech.

See above. ;)

[Questions]

Makes sense, though.

Not much of a difference between a smart phone and a laptop and the temptation (or even just the implied possibility) of pulling up the 'realms units section for help could be too great to risk. Best to remove just remove the source of temptation and implied impropriety all together.

So if you want to keep track of your own time, for example, better to bring a stop watch or something similarly low-tech.

I was thinking more of using a smart phone as well...a phone. Wife/friends are calling to find out when I'll be free for lunch, free for something else, etc. A lot of people keep their phones sitting on the table near them. Open you up to theft at a convention? Yes. But also easier than pulling it out each time. So it will be interesting to see how this plays out.

It's not that unusual or unexpected.

Typically at larger Heroclix events, only the elements necessary for the actual game are allowed on the table (figures, dice, PAC, etc...).

Phones, food, timers, notes, etc...are not allowed on the table during an event.


I've seen the first three items on game tables at GenCon in the past. Like I said, it will be interesting to see how it is enforced. (And normalview just spoke about having a timer out. Or does that need to be hidden too? Hold on...I need to pull out my timer...what...wasting time? Well if they just let me keep the timer on the table....)

[Munchoboy]

I've seen the first three items on game tables at GenCon in the past. Like I said, it will be interesting to see how it is enforced. (And normalview just spoke about having a timer out. Or does that need to be hidden too? Hold on...I need to pull out my timer...what...wasting time? Well if they just let me keep the timer on the table....)

As with previous events, I imagine that enforcement will be up to the individual Judges monitoring the event. As a rule I know the preference has been to "keep the peace" rather than "policing" players.

That said, the rules are what they are and no one really has a leg to stand on if the Judges choose to enforce them. Forewarned is forearmed.

re: Timers. I hate to say it, but I believe that Normalview is flat-out wrong on that one. The only timekeeping that matters is what the Judge says. Having a timer on the table allows, too easily IMO, for folk to wait out the clock, stall, etc...

This is why players are told that matches last "approximately 50 minutes".

[Questions]

As with previous events, I imagine that enforcement will be up to the individual Judges monitoring the event. As a rule I know the preference has been to "keep the peace" rather than "policing" players.

That said, the rules are what they are and no one really has a leg to stand on if the Judges choose to enforce them. Forewarned is forearmed.

re: Timers. I hate to say it, but I believe that Normalview is flat-out wrong on that one. The only timekeeping that matters is what the Judge says. Having a timer on the table allows, too easily IMO, for folk to wait out the clock, stall, etc...

This is why players are told that matches last "approximately 50 minutes".

Luckily this is GenCon, nbperp is in charge and tweeting during your game is allowed (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4883925) with some limitation.

[Munchoboy]

Luckily this is GenCon, nbperp is in charge and tweeting during your game is allowed (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4883925) with some limitation.

I know Norm will run a good hall, he always does.




Is the implication in your statement that you're lucky I'm not running the hall? :rolleyes:

[normalview]

re: Timers. I hate to say it, but I believe that Normalview is flat-out wrong on that one. The only timekeeping that matters is what the Judge says. Having a timer on the table allows, too easily IMO, for folk to wait out the clock, stall, etc...


I never said it would be an official time. But I know plenty of people that want to know approximately how much time has gone by: still 5-ish minutes? Well, I'll play a little conservatively... no need to rush; maybe only a minute or two left? Well, I'll start pushing to get that last KO.

They can have the stop watch on their person. My wris####ch, for example, has a multiple stop watch functions.

[normalview]

They can have the stop watch on their person. My wris####ch, for example, has a multiple stop watch functions.

Apparently 'wrist watch' as one word is a bit too risque for the 'realms :cheeky:

[Questions]

Is the implication in your statement that you're lucky I'm not running the hall? :rolleyes:

Of course. Munchoboy running the hall. Next thing you know bulls run through. People die. Clix everywhere. It's ugly. :p

Actually, it was meant to be that nbperp is running the hall so it looks like there won't be a ban on cellphones being out. Personally, I think it's a silly policy to avoid cheating. If someone is cheating like that in all likelihood they will get caught. And there are good reasons to have a cellphone out at a big convention. This avoids any enforcement issues.

[Munchoboy]

Of course. Munchoboy running the hall. Next thing you know bulls run through. People die. Clix everywhere.

You don't know the half of it.

More than likely, I would succumb to the pressure, strip to my birthday suit and streak through the Hall.

It's ugly. :p

Again, you don't know the half of it. :laugh:

[nbperp]

Of course. Munchoboy running the hall. Next thing you know bulls run through. People die. Clix everywhere. It's ugly. :p

Actually, it was meant to be that nbperp is running the hall so it looks like there won't be a ban on cellphones being out. Personally, I think it's a silly policy to avoid cheating. If someone is cheating like that in all likelihood they will get caught. And there are good reasons to have a cellphone out at a big convention. This avoids any enforcement issues.

I don't have a problem with a cell phone being used during the tournament (i.e., a phone call comes in). But I'm not in favor of them being left on the tables. The only things that should be on the tables are what you need to play - figs, tokens, cards, etc.

[Ginormous]

The rules do not specify, so I wouldn't eliminate a B&W printout out of hand. However, I will ask anyone with a B&W printout that matters (Bystaders, Objects, etc.) to bring it to a judges attention so that they can "certify" on the army sheet (or on the PNP element itself, if the player is willing) what colors are missing.

What about page 21 of the Modern Age player's guide?
[quote=Modern Age PG]
Print and play: For WizKids events, players can print any legitimate copy of a cardboard element from Heroclix. The printed version must not be different from a legal WizKids-released version of the element.[/b]
Bolded for my emphasis. Obviously it's your tournament to run, but I'm pointing it out because you said the rules don't say and I was under the impression that the Player's Guide was a part of the rules.