Marvel Xplosion Sneak Peek - Crimsion Dynamo

[Draddog]

<TABLE BORDER="0"><TR><TD><IMG SRC="/images/CrimsonDynamo.gif"></TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><B>Name:</B> Crimson Dynamo<BR><B>Number:</B> 052-054<BR><B>Play Tip:</B>The Crimson Dynamo is ready to take care of Iron Man or practically anyone else who gets in the way. The Veteran version comes in at a hefty 134 points, but multiple clicks of Super Strength, Invulnerability, and Ranged Combat Expert make him worth every point. He has the potential to do a devastating 5 clicks of damage at 10" Balance out the Crimson Dynamo with the right support mix and roll over your opponent!<P><B>Game Design:</B><BR>Hey! A bad guy!<P>Crimson Dynamo is another character like Iron Man--lots of abilities, lots of points. Crimson Dynamo, however, seems much more straightforward and balanced than Iron Man, so he has Super Strength and Ranged Combat Expert at the same time. This will allow you to use him as you like, either as a big gun or in close combat. His damage is pretty significant all the way down his dial in all his versions, and he keeps Ranged Combat Expert out to his sixth click in his Veteran version. He loses Super Strength sooner, but he's always been more of a blaster than a basher, so that makes sense. And what a blaster! He deals 4 clicks for a long time, and in his Veteran version he can even do 5 clicks right off the bat!<P>In addition to his attacks, he has a slightly better than average defense, with Invulnerability and lots of Toughness, so he should stick around for a while. His other combat values are pretty strong and represent the armor as well as the men who have been inside. Considering his power, he's actually pretty economical, so he should see some play.</TD></TR></TABLE>

[shin-goji]

IN YOUR FACE!!!!!
First post! Gimme gimme gimme your funky monkey! Gimme gimme gimme your funky monkey!
So this will be the LE at the Marquee. Nice! People will probably say my communist brother here is Firelord unbroken, we'll have to see once the stats are out.


Edited by Draddog: I always have the first post, give it up :)

ARRRRRRRGH! I'll get you yet, dog boy!!!! :) :P

[JacinB]

2nd post! Woohoo!

Well, um, not a bad range of powers, I guess. I don't think he'll make it onto many of my teams as Thor's not much more expensive but sounds like a better deal for about the same points (what with Running shot, etc., at the Exp. level).

And, as for the sculpt ... at least he won't take 'em long to paint. :)

[PsychoDBoy]

He'd rather red.

[Psylockeslover]

meh.......



Just checked.......yup, the pineapple lives on........

[Random]

a solid hunk of red? that's it? looks like one a them old muscle figs IMHO. but, that bieng said, still can't wait to get one.

[Thorgrin]

Sounds almost like a beefed up firelord there. DOH. skulpt looks good, though can't get over the full "redness" bland coloring.

[drhypnotic]

one a them old muscle figs

I loved those!

Yeah... really red. I like CD though and he seems VERY playable.

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by PsychoDBoy
He'd rather red.
Hence the name CRIMSON Dynamo as opposed to the Snickerdoodle Dandy.

[webhead817]

He's not red, he's crimson, hence the name.

[TheTick]

Crimson and Iron Man aren't AE's...Must be Mandarin, then.

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by PsychoDBoy
He'd rather red.

We'll probably see a wash done on him. This is probably post-production.

[razzastuta]

He's very very Red indeed. He looks like a big red robotic mutant tomato. With Super Strength and Flight. Mean.

[GaMBiT THe ACe]

Heyy... looks nice... cant even argue about the paint job on this one... its pretty strait forward

[Graf Zemo]

At last, an excuse to use a Boris Badinof Russian accent during tournaments! I'm sure that's a pre-production shot. The figure we get will probably have a black wash over him. He is the coolist explosion fig so far.

[Styrix]

Booyeah!

[Badges2]

Beautiful Sculpt. Wonderful pose. I love it.

I think the Muscle-Men-color-thing is really neat. I think it looks beautiful. At least we won't be complaining about bad paint jobs on him.. ..cough,cough..Psylocke..cough,cough.. I think this is going to be one of the best figures in X-Plosion.

P.S. ~ Why is it called X-Plosion again? Did all the the X-Men spontaneously combust, so they couldn't make it into this set?

[freakyfraser]

Woo Hoo! 16th post! I'm a dork!!!

Dam, got knocked down to 17th. Next time.

[ChromeWeasel]

Did they leave off charge? I thought that was one of Dynamo's specialties. He had reinforcement built right into his armor so that he could charge in and ram with his shoulders. Someone tell me I'm mistaken.

[PaladinKWA]

Good stats, good pose, dorky helmet for the big red...errr...Crimson one.

[shin-goji]

I smell a Red Dawn...

[PaladinKWA]

Is a ChromeWeasel like a Steely Dan?

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by ChromeWeasel
Did they leave off charge? I thought that was one of Dynamo's specialties. He had reinforcement built right into his armor so that he could charge in and ram with his shoulders. Someone tell me I'm mistaken.

I think they left that off so he wouldn't mirror Iron Man too closely.

[MarkFinn]

I really don't see Firelord being a real threat after this set is released. There are enough figures to take him out at range with little trouble. Crimson Dynamo looks like another Big Gun character that will go nicely with just about any team.

I think I'll field him with Black Widow. Ruskies unite!

[DarthZaius]

OK--I call dibbs on singing:

"aaaaaTTAAAAAAAACK ofthekillertoMAAAAAtoes"

whenever he's fielded. You heard it here first.

[jmarquis]

Ya, this is more like the Secret Wars ][ pack...

j/k

Actually it's good to see the Crimson Dynamo get play. And here I thought a new Ultron (perhaps Ultron 6) would be a good match for the Golden Avenger.

-John

[mulkabu]

A huge design flaw here methinks, far too much effort spent emphasizing the "Crimson" element, unfortunately at the expense of the all-important "Dynamo" half of the equation.

Seriously though, nice base coat, I hope he looks well when they're done painting him ;-)

Brian
ps Nice combo of Super strength and RCE though - Its good to have clix with unusual variations of powers - gives them character.

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by PaladinKWA
Is a ChromeWeasal like a Steely Dan?

I'd say it's definitely not a Dr. Duran.

I humbly accept this obscure music and porno reference award, I'd like to thank Jesus and Elvis

[Spidersense]

We'll probably see a wash done on him. This is probably post-production.

I probably wouldnt do the wash with him. With that much red...ahem...CRIMSON, he will probably bleed out over all your other clothes.

[DarthZaius]

Originally posted by shin-goji
I smell a Red Dawn...

"The difference is--WE LIVE HERE!"
KABLAM

[Quarantine]

Hey, you won't hear me complaining about this guy. I've always like the Crimson Dynamo, even if it was just because his name is cool. Any info on possible team power? From what I see, it doesn't look like it, even though they could easily justify Masters of Evil (and don't give me the "He wasn't a member, schtick; Kang wasn't a member either). Either way, I'm happy with the sculpt and powers I've seen so far.

[Xavier PhD]

WOW 5 clicks off the bat? 10 range?! only 130 points with 4 clicks of damage through most of his dial?!

even thor should be afraid of this one... i wonder if ironman even has a chance against crimson one on one? maybe his attack starts out low or plummets or something.

but if he isn't broken... he seems like a very interesting character!

[DraXXXen]

I bet he tastes like stawberry.

ahem....anywho, back to the actual comments.

Great...another Jesus figure. So what will we call this one, Iron Jesus? I'm so going to hell...forgive me Flaming Jesus!!!

Looks good, and more Ironman characters is ALWAYS a good thing.

[Joe Kerr]

I'll have to play him. I just hope he doesn't end up being another Blastaar

[duncan2222]

Does Crimson Dynamo have such a dull look in the comics? I haven't read an Iron Man book in years, but I thought he looked a little more interesting than this. Don't get me wrong...I think the sculpt is great and the abilities seem pretty cool....I just think he looks sort of boring, from a visual standpoint.

[ducko5]

I'm breaking out my red "metallic" paint.

[LuckyJ]

Ok...I'm really not much of a complainer. I was even pretty supportive of the new Elektra. I am not easy to upset.

But am I the only one who thinks this dude is radically undercosted? Unless he has a grossly low attack or something, there's no way he could be priced very fairly. Consider Vision. He does 2 damage the whole dial with Super Strength and one click of Invulnerability and some Toughness. This dude does 5, 4, and 3 damage out to his 6th click, also has Super Strength, and has multiple clicks of Invulnerability and Toughness also but is only, like, 20 points more!

Crimson has above average defense, so probably a 17s and 16s. Other values are "pretty strong" meaning that he has at least a 10 attack and 7 movement, but I'm guessing an 11 attack and 9 or 10 movement.

I don't like the idea of having to deal with another Firelord but with Invulnerability and MORE RCE.

Of course, I'll probably play with him, so long as there isn't a "cheapness" stigma attached to him.

Perhaps my problem with the good ol' Dynamo stem from my general dislike of RCE and ranged figures in general. I'm probably just biased against figures that support and reinforce the current problems with the game (hit-and-run taxi-ing and underpriced characters who do 5 damage at range).

Am I the only one wih this first impression?

[Flinch]

"Hey! A bad guy!"

Best creator comment ever....



Is he normally monochrome?

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by Spidersense


I probably wouldnt do the wash with him. With that much red...ahem...CRIMSON, he will probably bleed out over all your other clothes.

Darn Red Coats! Now my underwear is all pink!

[Styrix]

Originally posted by DarthZaius
"The difference is--WE LIVE HERE!"
KABLAM Dag straight, yo!

ps. In the interests of all my Russian friends, the ire is no longer aimed at you. Now it's aimed, at, umm, . . . I'm in politics, so I shouldn't say. :D

[Valandar]

Wonder if this means they may do a unique "Dmitri Bukharin", or a unique version of his current armor/identity (dun remember the name)...

[Sonny Durden]

Originally posted by Psylockeslover

Just checked.......yup, the pineapple lives on........

Alright, I'm really curious now... Can someone pm me the pineapple? After seeing Crimson Dynamo, I getting pretty hungry.

[rctpool]

I like the sculpt. Everything but his head. I think a metallic Crimson re-paint is in order once I get him.

I'd like a copy of the pineapple also, please.

[shin-goji]

10 minutes after the first post [which WAS mine BTW] and already the words UNDERCOSTED and BROKEN have been seen in the thread. What in the flaming red heck does it take to make people happy?

[Dexceus]

Okay, while I know that I know of the character, my mind doesn't seem to be dragging up any specifics on the Crimson Dynamo (well, besides being a russian enemy of Iron Man that wears similar armor). I went to try and find some background material to refresh my memory, and I haven't been able to find anything.

Anyone out there have some links for history on the Crimson Dynamo?

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by rctpool
I like the sculpt. Everything but his head. I think a metallic Crimson re-paint is in order once I get him.

Let's put a big Doom Toyfare smiley head on him. Then he can be happy as he's striking his Jesus pose.

[Styrix]

Originally posted by LuckyJ

But am I the only one who thinks this dude is radically undercosted? . . . . Consider Vision. He does 2 damage the whole dial with Super Strength and one click of Invulnerability and some Toughness. What you must remember is that the formula and process for creating figs has significantly changed from Infinity Challenge. Supposedly, XPlosion has a more fair and ballanced formula, so no Vision shaft for the Real Red Dynamo.

[jmarquis]

Actually, the level of detail on the figure is quite excellent. While the pose itself isn't too interesting (hell neither is cyke's, vultures, or caps) it's quite a nicely done fig.

As for the special abilities, somethng must get past Iron Man, now that we got him.

Firelord, taken out by Iron Man, taken out by Crimson Dynamo :(

Actually IM and CD are pretty well matched.

Me like.

Again.

[JacinB]

Originally posted by Valandar
Wonder if this means they may do a unique "Dmitri Bukharin", or a unique version of his current armor/identity (dun remember the name)...

Um, yeah. That's the 1st place prize for the Marquee.

[Doomtoy]

Beach, beach, beach.

Quit'cher beachin'.

All right, now, let's have a show of hands: WHO BUYS HEROCLIX FOR THE SCINTILLATING PROFESSIONAL PAINT JOBS?

(looks around. Cricket noises are heard.)

Pffft. Paint jobs are MY territory. And the dorky looking helmet was in the comics years before anyone thought to sculpt him. This was Communist Russian engineering, of the "push hard until it falls over" school of thought. They could build nearly anything we could, but they couldn't make it look cool if you held them at gunpoint.

Oh, wait, the Politburo WAS holding them at ... but I digress.

Glad to see him. Can't wait to get my paws on him. And yes, I suspect they'll have a wash on the ones actually shipped.

And if they don't, there's me.

Ready and waiting... :D

[Aron]

Originally posted by Quarantine
Hey, you won't hear me complaining about this guy. I've always like the Crimson Dynamo, even if it was just because his name is cool. Any info on possible team power? From what I see, it doesn't look like it, even though they could easily justify Masters of Evil (and don't give me the "He wasn't a member, schtick; Kang wasn't a member either). Either way, I'm happy with the sculpt and powers I've seen so far.

Actually I'm pretty sure Kang has been part of the masters of evil (we're talking old 60s era though)

[LuckyJ]

I am a very happy person.

To answer your question, "What does it take to make you people happy?"...

1. A set release date for a set with no pre-release selling to a select few on the east and west coasts. I think it's bad business and inconsiderate of everyone in the midwest and other countries who have to wait like normal people.

2. Characters (I think I just said this) who don't reinforce the game's flaws. A good way of keeping RCE figures balanced is adding Running Shot to their dials to up their price and avoid taxi-ing.

3. Being allowed to have a problem with something when it's legitimate. I have hardly ever complained on these boards, so now it's my turn. Get over it.

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by jmarquis
Actually, the level of detail on the figure is quite excellent. While the pose itself isn't too interesting (hell neither is cyke's, vultures, or caps) it's quite a nicely done fig.

I think the most interesting thing about Cyke is his hair. Looks like someone hung this click by his base and flushed his head in the toilet. Talk about bad hair day!

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by LuckyJ
2. Characters (I think I just said this) who don't reinforce the game's flaws. A good way of keeping RCE figures balanced is adding Running Shot to their dials to up their price and avoid taxi-ing.

But you can STILL taxi him. You could make him 185 points and still taxi him. There's nothing really to stop that. The game's not flawed, I'll still maintain that.

[jmarquis]

Well that's why they gave us the piece of crud unique (just pulled one yesterday :()

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by JacinB


Um, yeah. That's the 1st place prize for the Marquee.

I thought Kitty was first place. So at the Marque we'll get Kitty and Dmitri for sure, then a random click for 2nd. Right?

[fatalsync]

Originally posted by shin-goji


I thought Kitty was first place. So at the Marque we'll get Kitty and Dmitri for sure, then a random click for 2nd. Right?

Kitty is Fellowship and yes 2nd will be random

[Aron]

kitty is probably the fellowship prize...

[LuckyJ]

You can taxi anyone, but if they've got Running Shot to get themselves around, you're just burning points on the running shot if you taxi them to do full RCE damage. Running shot is a really expensive ability, and having 2-4 clicks of it paid fo just sitting doing nothing AND paying for the taxi would balance the point cost of that RCE, 5-damage figure, IMO.

I just think it's a good system of checks-and-balances and should be used often.

[Aron]

I think crimson dynamo would probably have charge to go with his super strength rather than running shot...

as for running shot helping to balance things... look at Super Skrull or Annihilus, they can lead to near-abusive strategies when coupled with other figs (like say firelord) or annoying strategies like running shot with another flier, carrying another flier, then yanking the first flier back out of range.

[zaurial]

yay 53 post!

this guy looks pretty cool. aside from the uninventive paint job (i would have done several different shades of red in different areas), it looks like a pretty cool figure and a good match for iron man. still haent seen i-mans' ae, (*cough* mandrin *cough*) but it's cool. this guy is in my team already.

[TheDarkKnight]

HAHA i no longer need FIRELORD now that CC have come along. No more name calling of cheese and HEY YOU USE FIRELORD ect ect

[Valandar]

You mean like this?

Crimson Dynamo (http://www.users.xeroanime.com/~handbook/abcd/cdynamo.htm)

I would also reccomend looking at the "Airstrike" link to get further info on the long and illustrious(?) history of the Crimson Dynamo armor.

[kang4001]

He rules. I like it.

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by shin-goji
10 minutes after the first post [which WAS mine BTW] and already the words UNDERCOSTED and BROKEN have been seen in the thread. What in the flaming red heck does it take to make people happy?

Shin, don't take it personally. There are a lot of experts running around, who clearly have the best interests of the game in mind when they critique and criticize and wring every last ounce of fun out of a game of painted toy soldiers dressed up to look like super heroes. These geniuses of intellect need lots of room, for their heads are filled, Jiffy-Pop-like, with the way the game OUGHT to be played, and large, comprehensive lists of rules changes that would never be exploited by anyone as they are iron-clad (much like the Crimson Dynamo). These paragons of gaming have an accurate and balanced internal computer that can compute the real and fair point cost of any figure in the game. They are like the Borg collective; a hive mind with shared resources and access to the Gods of Law and the Entities of Order. Their will is not to be questioned.

Just give them room and let them prattle and scratch their swollen-with-knowledge heads, for one day soon, they WILL be in charge and they WILL be our masters. You don't want to be first up against the wall when the revolution comes, now, do you?

...Wow, did all of that sarcasm come out of me?
Huh.

[darkkard]

Check this out...

http://www.norse-man.net/Marvel/Char-C/CrimsonDynamo.htm

you may have to cut and paste it into your browser.

[LuckyJ]

I give up. I'll never offer a dissenting opinion again. Instead, I'll just be a mindless follower who has no capacity for higher thought and, in fact, is incapable of independent opinions.

I shall forever follow the masses.

I shall forever follow the stupid.

[sleepwalker23]

My first thought is why does he need SS, he hovers! Meaning he can always use RCE. That makes SS pretty much uselss, I mean why pick up an item and use it in close combat to add two points of damage when you can do so...

[Ramplate]

Oooh yeah, this screams for the metallic candy apple red repaint

Good sculpt though - sounds tough

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by TheDarkKnight
HAHA i no longer need FIRELORD now that CC have come along. No more name calling of cheese and HEY YOU USE FIRELORD ect ect

Heck, I'll be more than happy to carry over the cheese calling :)

[Aron]

sleepwalker: Hence my arguement that he may have charge rather than running shot *shrug*

[strucker]

Holy crud! Me likee! Finally, a "generic" bad guy that can really bash heads! Can't wait to see the ABOMINATION!!!! Ok, what affiliation is Crimson Dynamo?

[Veggiehater]

Crimson Dynamo!

Nice choice for this weeks preview fig, and a villain at that! He sounds interesting but I do hope he doesn't end up just as Rookie Ultron with RCE.

The sculpt ain't half bad either, overall a nice job done.

VH

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by sleepwalker23
My first thought is why does he need SS, he hovers! Meaning he can always use RCE. That makes SS pretty much uselss, I mean why pick up an item and use it in close combat to add two points of damage when you can do so...

I think you're passing over the possibilities of combining him with the adventure packs. If he could wallop someone with a Lamppost, he'd do the same damage as RCE AND have Incapacitate on top of that.

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by MarkFinn


Shin, don't take it personally. There are a lot of experts running around, who clearly have the best interests of the game in mind when they critique and criticize and wring every last ounce of fun out of a game of painted toy soldiers dressed up to look like super heroes. These geniuses of intellect need lots of room, for their heads are filled, Jiffy-Pop-like, with the way the game OUGHT to be played, and large, comprehensive lists of rules changes that would never be exploited by anyone as they are iron-clad (much like the Crimson Dynamo). These paragons of gaming have an accurate and balanced internal computer that can compute the real and fair point cost of any figure in the game. They are like the Borg collective; a hive mind with shared resources and access to the Gods of Law and the Entities of Order. Their will is not to be questioned.

Just give them room and let them prattle and scratch their swollen-with-knowledge heads, for one day soon, they WILL be in charge and they WILL be our masters. You don't want to be first up against the wall when the revolution comes, now, do you?

...Wow, did all of that sarcasm come out of me?
Huh.

Marky Mark, I've always known that revolution or not I'll end up against the wall. I don't take things personal as much as I used to, but no one better call me a Batman Lovin' Wombat, I'll tell you that right now. My knee jerk reaction is against the other knee jerk reactions, so we're sitting in a room full of rocking chairs kicking each other in the shins. I just have that natural abrasive defense everytime someone claims a figure is broken when they don't work on the WK staff nor know EXACTLY how the point system works.

[scowlingone]

Having both RCE and SS are handy, because it then takes two Outwits to eliminate the possibility of the model doing 5 damage with an attack.

Much like Bane; he has SS and CCE. They're useless together, but it gives the model two different ways to do five damage.

It offers a lot of strategic possibilities. Having both CCE (or RCE) and another power is not useless; it's versatile.

[uuoolly]

Looks cool, sounds cool.

As for SS, maybe to pick up the engine block wolverine was hiding in and smash him with it?

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by Ramplate
Oooh yeah, this screams for the metallic candy apple red repaint

Good sculpt though - sounds tough

I am pretty infamous on my site for customizing Godzilla 2000 3" Theater Exclusives. I am getting that itch again for painting this guy a nice, feminine shade of pink.

[shin-goji]

I could easily see this being a nice ranged boomstick. Allright you primitive firelordheads. Shop smart, shop S-Mart!

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by LuckyJ
I give up. I'll never offer a dissenting opinion again. Instead, I'll just be a mindless follower who has no capacity for higher thought and, in fact, is incapable of independent opinions.

I shall forever follow the masses.

I shall forever follow the stupid.

That just means you voted for George Bush and think the economy is booming :)

[Dexceus]

Thanks to those who posted the links. It really helps refresh the memory and point out where I was remembering wrong.

All I can say is 'Wow, he is red!'. For some reason I rememeber him being a combination of red and white, but no, he is just solid red.

Though they do at least need to do a black wash on it.

[Aron]

Let's see we now have a plethora of high powered relatively well costed figures, however with the addition of the crimson dynamo we now have two figures who can do 5 damage each.

Immediately it occurs to me that in a 300 point game, firelord could be paired up with a black panther, crimson dynamo, and a couple cheap taxis. Very quickly you could KO clix with 10 clix in ONE hit. As it stands you can do 9 already with the combo of super skrull/firelord, but now you can do 10.... even vet firelord wouldn't be able to make it back to a medic if he's KO'd in one hit.

Position the panther for free, outwit defenses, taxi free (cheap avengers or wildcard taxi or two), blast for 10.

lesse 27 wildcard doombot? + 15 vulture = 42
+ 27 = 69
+ 134 = 203
+ blue firelord 71? or 73 points = 274

hmm medic for 16 points = 290 .. couple points short of a second medic..

[freakyfraser]

shin speaks the truth. Items is the adventure packs all have some form of bonus attached to them.

What the he11 happened here. I responded to a post and it ends up 8 posts later. Some of you guys type to fast.

[webhead817]

re: Super Strenght and RCE...

Better yet, give him the desk to carry around for a shot at +2 defense, and let him blast away with RCE in the meanwhile.

[Veggiehater]

Originally posted by LuckyJ
I give up. I'll never offer a dissenting opinion again

Nah, don't stop thinking outside the box. I pretty much agree with what you posted earlier. though I personally reserve my thoughts on a character's impact on the meta game til after we see the stats. I mean you were working on a lot of assumptions back there about CD.

I mean who knows? Maybe the dude on has 6 or 7 clicks of life on his Vet version. Maybe he's just got 1 click of Inv followed by 3 clicks of toughness. He does sound like a potentially problematic fig but we won't know for sure 'til we get him.

VH

[Valandar]

Originally posted by Dexceus
Though they do at least need to do a black wash on it.

Speaking as a professional level mini painter, I'd use a dark brown wash, instead. A black wash would "grey him out", and the dark brown would look just about as dark while keeping the red nice and vibrant. Of course, I'd follow up with a red drybrush, a little pinkish highlighting on the ridges and such, then a nice coat of gloss since he's supposed to be shiny... but, then again, we're not paying for out clix to have proffessional paint jobs, just acceptable ones.

[four_winds]

Better yet, give him the desk to carry around for a shot at +2 defense, and let him blast away with RCE in the meanwhile.

Sorry but you cant do that,as you would be using SS and RCE will not work.

[shin-goji]

Good eye, four_winds! You caught that before Tsnanikk had a chance to cut and paste the list of things RCE don't work with. SS can't be turned off, so he'd be forced to toss it or swing with it before he could fire up RCE again.

[Thorgrin]

Hey, don't let these guys get to you. I think dissenting opinions are a good thing and get things changed in the end.

After all, I haven't seen any really, really bad overcosted figures in general like I did in Infinity Challenge like, say, Hobgoblin and Constrictor. There are still some useless or garbage figures (like CT Elektra), but at least she doesn't cost a lot of points and could be viable in some groups.

Also, to the comment of the game not being flawed by shin-goji...

EVERY game has flaws in it... PERIOD. If not, then we would not have a place where people have to ask questions, or get FAQs or tons of other debates or forums. Chess is about the closest thing to a pure, non-flawed game. Heroclix is far from a polished game as there are tons of inconsistencies that I could point to. This guy has a legitimate concern with the upcoming figure... I do as well. Potentially he could be just as good as cheeselord, but gets an added bonus of invulnerability and toughness. I'm not going to say he's broken until I see his dial, but the potential is there.

Originally posted by LuckyJ
I give up. I'll never offer a dissenting opinion again. Instead, I'll just be a mindless follower who has no capacity for higher thought and, in fact, is incapable of independent opinions.

I shall forever follow the masses.

I shall forever follow the stupid.

[Thorgrin]

I don't think that was appropriate at all. Keep yer political views to yerself...

Originally posted by shin-goji


That just means you voted for George Bush and think the economy is booming :)

[JacinB]

Originally posted by shin-goji
That just means you voted for George Bush and think the economy is booming :)

Shin, don't start with me ... you Batman Lovin' Wombat. :)

[shin-goji]

Hey, I heard your mom bought you a Legion of Supstitute Heroes lunchbox...:)

[JacinB]

Originally posted by shin-goji
Hey, I heard your mom bought you a Legion of Supstitute Heroes lunchbox...:)

You mean 'Substitute Heroes'? :p

[Mushroomfantas]

man he looks mad cool

It would help to know who he is besides Iron Mans enemy =P

[VooDoo Child]

Looking at it to me, he’s going to kick Firelords flaming pompoms. That Invulnerability and toughness will give him the edge over Flamehead. He should be a great piece to see in action.

[de4dp00l]

Hmm... He looks a bit familiar. Could he be... Yes, it's Twiki, all grown up!


Twiki (http://www.jeffbots.com/twiki.html)
Might want to turn off your speakers, if you happen to be at work, as there's music number in the background.

[Dexceus]

Originally posted by Mushroomfantas
man he looks mad cool

It would help to know who he is besides Iron Mans enemy =P

Check out the links that some people put up when I asked for help on that. :) Very informative.

[scowlingone]

Beedee beedee beedee -- bite my shiny metal ###, Buck.

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by Thorgrin
Hey, don't let these guys get to you. I think dissenting opinions are a good thing and get things changed in the end...

...EVERY game has flaws in it... PERIOD. If not, then we would not have a place where people have to ask questions, or get FAQs or tons of other debates or forums. Chess is about the closest thing to a pure, non-flawed game. Heroclix is far from a polished game as there are tons of inconsistencies that I could point to. This guy has a legitimate concern with the upcoming figure... I do as well. Potentially he could be just as good as cheeselord, but gets an added bonus of invulnerability and toughness. I'm not going to say he's broken until I see his dial, but the potential is there.



I guess I'm from a different era in tabletop and pen and paper games. Back before the Internet and things like message forums, gamers didn't have a voice. And we were okay with that. If we didn't like how something in, say, AD&D was laid out, we ignored it, changed it, or did something else. We didn't write the company with our group-specific complaints and we didn't whine about it. In fact, I noticed that whenever new players came to my game, or whenever I gamed with a new group, there was always a quick and understood discussion about what we now call "house rules."

My ire stems from hearing the same things in every thread, over and over. I think "broken" is one of the most overused words on this forum. And in THIS case, my ire-switch was tripped from hearing the concern that a figure about which we know nothing save a smattering of powers might be broken. Wow. pre-emptive bi+ching. That, I feel, is going way too far. And through it all, there is no indication whatsoever that Heroclix will have any official tournament rules with exemptions or special conditions to work around these apparent problems.

My take is this: if you have a problem, you can fix it yourself. Judges can enforce their own house rules under certain tournament formats. Heck, become a judge yourself and then hold tourneys the way you think they ought to be held. But take the problem into your own hands and fix it. Or quit playing in tournaments. It obviously really stresses some people out, judging from the number of exclamation points they use. There's a better way to do it.

But YOU have to do it yourself.

[DoctorDoom]

Ah yes... more metal goodness from WizKids.

I personally like the figure AND the paint job! I can't wait to be able to add CD to my Masters of Evil frontline team along with Ultron (even if he doesn't have the ability).

Oh and thanks for finally posting up a villain.

Villains of the world unite!

[Aron]

My take is this: if you have a problem, you can fix it yourself. Judges can enforce their own house rules under certain tournament formats. Heck, become a judge yourself and then hold tourneys the way you think they ought to be held. But take the problem into your own hands and fix it. Or quit playing in tournaments. It obviously really stresses some people out, judging from the number of exclamation points they use. There's a better way to do it.

Mark, just to chime in, a lot of people only play in tournaments because they want the LEs (and the only way to get them is to win tournaments or buy on ebay at high prices - something a few people don't want to do/aren't able to afford to do, despite really wanting specific versions of certain characters), Or because they have no other options when it comes to playing heroclix with other people... if you're running it yourself, you're not supposed to play in it -

so "fixing it yourself" doesn't really work well for an individual themselves in those situations. ;/

I mean sure they can run it themselves but then how're they going to play? I've done the pen and paper thing too. I've been a player, been unhappy with the DM and traded off to DM myself, then I wasn't able to play in my own campaign ;/ There's just some things a person can't really fix without cooperation with someone else, and if the judges aren't on board then what can you do? Run it yourself but not get to enjoy it?

s'like telling a doctor to perform surgery on himself, it ain't going to happen very often or very easily :P

[freakazoid_x]

Okay I understand there is a popular demand for Iron Man characters.

I understand that he's awesomely playable.

I also understand that's probably what he looks like in the comics.

I haven't read all the posts on this figure but if the majority of you aren't upset about the simplistic design of this figure I swear I'll start posting Firelord is great rants every day. He will become all I ever talk about and I will turn every topic into my love of Firelord.

[nedleeds]

Originally posted by Styrix
What you must remember is that the formula and process for creating figs has significantly changed from Infinity Challenge. Supposedly, XPlosion has a more fair and ballanced formula, so no Vision shaft for the Real Red Dynamo.

I'm willing to wager that Viz stats (attack defense etc.) crush CD's stats ... we will never see numbers like Inifinity Challenge again if WizKids current trend continues. With fig's like Veteran Hawkeye receiving a 9 attack and costing more then Firelord or Bullseye + Vulture.

[Brigadier M]

So what's with the sneaky photography on this one so we can't see his point cost, team affiliation (if any), number of lightning bolts, etc? Is this coincidence, or how things will be in future sneak peaks?

M!

[nedleeds]

Originally posted by VooDoo Child
Looking at it to me, he’s going to kick Firelords flaming pompoms. That Invulnerability and toughness will give him the edge over Flamehead. He should be a great piece to see in action.

You mean Firelords as in multiple Firelords ... since for the price of the vet CD i can have 2 firelords. Who will both have undoubtedly better attacks.

[Brigadier M]

Originally posted by Joe Kerr
I'll have to play him. I just hope he doesn't end up being another Blastaar

What's wrong with Blastaar?

M!

[Aron]

Originally posted by nedleeds


I'm willing to wager that Viz stats (attack defense etc.) crush CD's stats ... we will never see numbers like Inifinity Challenge again if WizKids current trend continues. With fig's like Veteran Hawkeye receiving a 9 attack and costing more then Firelord or Bullseye + Vulture.

Yea Hawkeye is expensive, but more than firelord? uhhhh?

[Thorgrin]

I totally agree with you about house rules to a point.... First off, house rules are great to implement and play with. My argument was that someone mentioned that the game wasn't flawed. If it wasn't, we wouldn't need to have house rules. The whole purpose of house rules are to fix things we perceive aren't right.

Now I can appreciate where you're coming from in that a lot of terms get thrown around a lot like "broken". Perhaps his view could have been re-worded a little better, but that's not an excuse to jam it down his throat. At least he was still being civil and offering a possible solution. Yes, the figure is not out yet and after actually seeing it, it may not be an issue at all. Who can tell, doesn't mean that someone can't raise up a possible flag of concern along the way.

As far as writing to the company, well we aren't. This is a 3rd party forum and as such we aren't complaining directly to the company at all. They may come on here from time to time and read some posts (which I have a feeling they do considering some of the comments that the designer puts in. Which I consider a good thing as it shows the company cares about their customers concerns and or praises are). Yes, back in the "old" day you kind of had to wing it, but when it came to tournament time, you knew that you had to play per the rules or you weren't going to succeed. Same in heroclix. If you don't play by the rules, FAQs, etc, then you either will be forfeiting your games or not doing very well in the tournament itself.

I personally think he'll be ok, but the potential of him being possibly undercosted is there. Then again, he may only have 6 clicks of health, don't know. :)

Originally posted by MarkFinn


I guess I'm from a different era in tabletop and pen and paper games. Back before the Internet and things like message forums, gamers didn't have a voice. And we were okay with that. If we didn't like how something in, say, AD&D was laid out, we ignored it, changed it, or did something else. We didn't write the company with our group-specific complaints and we didn't whine about it. In fact, I noticed that whenever new players came to my game, or whenever I gamed with a new group, there was always a quick and understood discussion about what we now call "house rules."

My ire stems from hearing the same things in every thread, over and over. I think "broken" is one of the most overused words on this forum. And in THIS case, my ire-switch was tripped from hearing the concern that a figure about which we know nothing save a smattering of powers might be broken. Wow. pre-emptive bi+ching. That, I feel, is going way too far. And through it all, there is no indication whatsoever that Heroclix will have any official tournament rules with exemptions or special conditions to work around these apparent problems.

My take is this: if you have a problem, you can fix it yourself. Judges can enforce their own house rules under certain tournament formats. Heck, become a judge yourself and then hold tourneys the way you think they ought to be held. But take the problem into your own hands and fix it. Or quit playing in tournaments. It obviously really stresses some people out, judging from the number of exclamation points they use. There's a better way to do it.

But YOU have to do it yourself.

[secretwarrior]

woweeeeee

all ineed now is stilt man, titanium man the melter or some chess men (justin hammer's robo guards)


how bout an obadiah stane? he'd be a less expenseive iron man!


ps i was wishing to see a hulk enemy this week but i love cd so it's cool

[Thunderbolts]

I never knew Pyreus Krill was one of the Crimson Dynamos. What a shocking swerve.

[StormMaster]

Since I couldn't careless about this character, I'm not gonna say much.

He basically sounds like a cheaper, varied Ultron...

Doesn't seem like anything special.

Hopefully they add some black shadow or something to that completely crimson paint, because it looks horrible (and exactly like a bulked up Human Torch minus the flame)

Again, nothing special, hope next week's preview is something more...X-Men, like a villain, I'm thinking lady deathstrike or Sauron coming next...possibly Deathbird.

Oh yea, and all bow down to the all-knowing pineapple

[Aron]

Thogrin: The whole purpose of house rules are to fix things we perceive aren't right.

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I thought the point of this was so that there could be flexibility with how events were run at venues, giving them room to maneuver a bit if necessary in terms of time limits, scenario types (or the lack of them) free for alls, etc etc so their players would be happy?

[CursedSoul]

Hmm..a Russian Robot/ Armor is on one Damage Level with the Cosmic Q Tip and the Hulk?

something smells fishy here...

Exspecially since allmighty Thor just does 4 Damage..and he IS A GOD...

Okay...

I will settle down now

[Thorgrin]

generally speaking house rules (key word) are to change up rules a little to either suit the needs of the group/house that are playing or possibly fix a rule that doesn't make sense.

For example, our house rules:

Stealthed characters do not block LOS to figures behind them. If they choose to turn off stealth, then the resume blocking LOS.

Barrier: At least one barrier token needs to be in LOS of the figure creating the barrier.

Flyers can not carry flyers

etc, etc, etc.

You're thinking of judge's discretion in changing formats, using scenarios, etc. If he wanted to, say, ban firelord, then he would be implementing a house rule. A legal one, per wizkids, but a house rule nonetheless.

Originally posted by Aron
Thogrin:

er

I thought the point of this was so that there could be flexibility with how events were run at venues, giving them room to maneuver a bit if necessary in terms of time limits, scenario types (or the lack of them) free for alls, etc etc so their players would be happy?

[Aron]

Eh, really the only house rules I've ever seen have been to limit the number of duplicate figs you can use (generics as many as you like, other figs only one of) but eh I played at that venue before that and everyone did that anyway w/o the house rule, except for a couple of cheesy kids, so *shrug*

*shrug*

[Thorgrin]

I agree, generally speaking, most people enforce rules on their own. I don't play with dupes in tournaments, but I've seen it in the past and the player has the right to do it.

Ah well. I think Crimson Dyanamo will be fine. Just antsy to get the new set and see how they play.

[skurge]

sounds like he will make, the most used list.

[scaryscrawler]

Originally posted by Valandar
Wonder if this means they may do a unique "Dmitri Bukharin", or a unique version of his current armor/identity (dun remember the name)...

"Dmitri Bukharin" is the champion prize for the marquee tournament the weekend of April 18, 19, 20.

[StealthArmor]

One eyed one horned flying purple people eater
One eyed one horned flying purple people eater

see what you do is you change your monitor settings and you get
One eyed one horned flying purple people eater

[bullseye100]

He sounds great, he's one of my fave characters, but i'll see how he plays. --but he sounds cool!!!

[Valandar]

Originally posted by scaryscrawler


"Dmitri Bukharin" is the champion prize for the marquee tournament the weekend of April 18, 19, 20.

Geez... I must be psychic!

Someone wanna give me a Prof X clix I can stick my putty fig sculpt of myself on?

[tyroman]

Da, is good. :P

[Iron Man 49]

YAY! Ole Shellhead is bringing friends to the dance. FIRELORD IS DEAD, LONG LIVE THE NEW KING!!!!

Why is everyone clamoring for another Xmen preview? We've had what three allready? Youve got to be kidding me people. Believe it or not, not everyone needs a constant dose of mutants. We came off Two Xmen previews LAST WEEK! Share the love. I hope next week we get Destiny to round out my Freedom Force squad w/ Mystique. Apocolypse, Leader, or Goblin would be sweet.

As so often said...
Bring on the bad guys!

[Drashia]

i concur with the bad guy scene, though me thinks Jon was mocking us...

He must be a tree hugging goody-goody two shoe. ;)

[Noman]

1. Nice sculpt.

2. Look for sales of metalic red paint and ink wash to go up.

3. In a 300pt game, I think we are looking at Unique Electra Assasin's taxi !

LoL

All the Best

Noman

[bullseye100]

he sounds super-dee-duper!!!

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by Valandar


Geez... I must be psychic!

Someone wanna give me a Prof X clix I can stick my putty fig sculpt of myself on?
Take Prof X's head and replace Crimson Dynamo's head with it!

[ToadROCKS]

I've never realy heard of him before, what does he have to do with Iron man?

ya think they could have made him more detailed?

big whoop, xplosion's new Firelord, I think he is way too powerful from the sound of it

they were doing good with the preview figs. so far but now? I'm sorry everyone but he just doesn't seem that interesting to me.[QUOTE]
where is my Brotherhood unique, Unus maybe, what about MASTERMIND?

[mark6574]

Does anyone else think he looks like someone took Twinkie from the old Buck Rogers series and soaked him in red kool-aid?

[Teletran]

Crimson Dynamo is a foe of Ironman's. He's actually a team member of *forgot* whose roster also contains Vanguard, Darkstar, and a big bear *forgot again*

With Crimson Dynamo out, when will the Titanium Man appear? :D

Anyway, he does sound quite powerful for his points. He's in the E Ultron level points, tough to beat down and has range like Thor, but shoots like Firelord!!! Only his AV will determine whether he will be considered as a souped up Firelord.

What's Wizkids thinking?!? Ironman should be able to beat Crimson Dynamo easily....

Oh well... Ironman's still in his classic armor anyway... had they used the leter ones, it should be way more powerful than Crimson Dynamo's.

Soo.... anyone think Ironman's point cost is still 189 or maybe it i more of 139?

[LuckyJ]

Thorgrin and Jacin B, thanks for the words of defense and/or agreement while I was being insulted earlier.

A few points I'd like to make.

1. Based on the info from the preview, we can surmise that CD has at least 2 clicks of invulnerability and has more than 6 clicks of life. We also understand that his attack is at least 10 and his defense is at least 16...and damage 5.

2. I never used, nor will I ever use the word "broken" to describe a heroclick. "Borken," maybe, but never "broken."

3. Shin-goji. I am very, very difficult to make genuinely angry, but you manage to pull it off quite nicely with blithe remarks about politics, game design, and the integrity of others' views. I respect your perspective because you are human, but I disagree with it because it is caustic and uneducated (i.e. You are likely not an economist, nor are you a politician, nor are you clairvoyant regarding my views).

4. I don't protest characters. I don't call for them to be banned or changed. I don't write or petition Wizkids. If I don't like a character, I don't use it. I don't like Firelord, so I play and win tournaments without him and always have. No, I don't like Crimson Dynamo unless there's some unforseen balance to a potentially upsetting character.

Thank you and good night.

[Mongoose]

He doesn't look good at all sculpt wise, but the stats are definitely something to be fearful of as an opponent.

[rcoperich]

So, uhh, Iron Man has a gold base...Crimson Dynamo doesn't...who's Iron Man's AE then?

[greenhornet]

Another tough flyer! I like em'! And I'm hoping to see some MOE affiliation. YEAH BUDDY! IRON MAN GOT A PROBLEM, AND IT'S A CRIMSON ONE!

[littletrancebo]

Well, well, this proves the list some more, Okay the sculpt looks like one of those things you stick to your window and it crawls down it. But he well be the super version of Firelord. So yeah.

[cephy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Teletran
[B]Crimson Dynamo is a foe of Ironman's. He's actually a team member of *forgot* whose roster also contains Vanguard, Darkstar, and a big bear *forgot again*

The team is the Soviet Super Soldiers and the bear's name is Ursa Major. i never liked Vanguard much, had to be the Cyclops' tidy bowl hair weave and the Robin mask to cover his eyes, but Darkstar was cool as was Ursa Major. Crimson Dynamo was pretty much the hothead of the group.
Another one I would be interested in seeing, just for giggles would be Sabra, the israeli super-hero, and Shamrock, the irish one. There were a lot of different heroes presented in the classic three issue series, Contest of Champions that would be a pretty good starting point for Wizkids to pull ideas from.
I think when i get mine not only will the shiny red paint come out, but also the black and gunmetal gray. I like adding combat damage to them, so it looks like their really in the thick of it.

Cephy

[Manchine]

Well it appears I am a little late for this party. I actually had to do work today. I got home and had completely forgot that today was wednesday. We get Crismon Dynamo. Evil Evil bad guys. 5 kliqs of damage well its only on his vet form. Went through several pages worth. Didnt see how many points it is. No I did not go through them all. I will have to say I will be chading him. Just to much Crismon. At least no one can say bad paint job. You dont paint something you jsut dunk in one color. At least his is workable. I like it. But I like most things that have come out for Marvel.

[bknauff]

Well, I'm going to weigh in on the "broken" issue, tournaments, game design etc.

I think that people say a figure is "broken" if they think it is too powerful for the cost. I think that really means that they think it will show up a lot in games all of the time and dominate (ala Firelord). They may or may not be right, only time will tell. I won't discuss that issue here. All I will say is look at chess. The queen is very powerful, but good stategies can beat her every time.

What I do want to say is that there has to be more to WK games than these tournaments. That means there have to be figures that might not work in tournaments (high cost or low usefulness or too powerful or whatever) that still show up in the set to allow us to play a superhero fighting game. I want to recreate the battles I've read about in the comics or watched on the TV shows or do similar ones.

I want to play and have fun. I don't want to play in tournaments either. I've gamed for many years (since before man invented fire :-) ) and never play in touraments. If you have ever watched some of the tournaments that take place at historical conventions where no one uses historically based tactics you'll know what I mean. The focus on tournaments have killed many historical rule sets (except at those tournaments) and it also seems to have cut the number of people playing once popular games like MTG.

I don't want to see that happen to HC.

[Kid Zero]

I would have liked the old pointy mask suit, but this will definitely do.

[Batman1983]

I'm not going to read all these pages!!! Just want to say that I hope I pull his V as much as I pulled V Black cat or V thor (3 each) in CT. I'm so glad that were starting to get powerful representations of powerful characters (unlike Capt. A). Also it was brought up that Iron Man might not have as high a damage, but I bet hes got 3+RCE too, then a strate ( i misspelled that) 4 for close combat. This set is better than any other set yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WeRVenom]

Well I just read ten pages of posts and all I got to say is d@mn. Hey guys guess what...this is a game based on fictional characters. Its supposed to be fun. Sure were all human, and are gonna have differing views but there is no reason to insult one another because our views differ. Free speech and all that jazz. But hey what do I know, I'm just a twenty-something comic geek who relives his childhood by spending most my cash on a plastic addiction. *sigh* *deep breath* Anyhow I really dig the sculpt. It will be nice to see how he plays and you gotta respect the fact that you can now not only have Captain America fight Nazis(Red Skull) and have Capatilist A #1 Tony Stark take on a big Red Commie. And I had a professor who refuse to believe comic books were used as propaganda.

[JerryReedStyle]

Originally posted by freakazoid_x
Okay I understand there is a popular demand for Iron Man characters.

I understand that he's awesomely playable.

I also understand that's probably what he looks like in the comics.

I haven't read all the posts on this figure but if the majority of you aren't upset about the simplistic design of this figure I swear I'll start posting Firelord is great rants every day. He will become all I ever talk about and I will turn every topic into my love of Firelord.

Ya know...its one thing (a very acceptable thing) to come in here and express your own opinions...but please don't presume to suggest what others should think. Thanks!

[Basil Elks]

He looks neat, but he should have been shiny, & the "eye" area should be black, to show shade.

[FueledByRaimen]

At last a figure people can paint and turn into a fake version of Judge Dredd. Yea for all the modifiactions that players can make to really awesome figures that make them worthless, and are poorly done. I can't wait to see a scetchy gold eagle shoulder pad, and the famous shades painted on a CD figure. God bless being uncontent to look at figures as painted by Wizkids, may we always lock oursleves in the basement and paint until those stupid Hydra Agents look like Nightcrawler. Thank you Wizkids for all you inspire in us. I am an artist, and CD will be the best man for my newest creation...Mu wah ha ha ha ha!

[Brigadier M]

Originally posted by bknauff

I think that people say a figure is "broken" if they think it is too powerful for the cost. I think that really means that they think it will show up a lot in games all of the time and dominate (ala Firelord). They may or may not be right, only time will tell. I won't discuss that issue here. All I will say is look at chess. The queen is very powerful, but good stategies can beat her every time.


That's a flawed analogy because in chess, both sides HAVE a queen. Both sides have, in fact, identical teams. White does have the advantage of going first (which seems to be a disadvantage most of the time in HC), but otherwise chess is as close to a perfectly balanced game as you can get.

I think we can all agree however, that if everyone in HC played identical teams, it would get pretty boring, pretty fast. (And that of course is where most of the anti-firelord rhetoric comes from - people tired of facing FL after FL at tourneys. I guess I'm lucky, because where I play almost no one uses FL.)

And in case you can't tell which side of the broken/not broken argument I fall on, I despise firelord. I used him once when I went to a tournament out of town, because I was driving an hour, didn't know what the competition level was like, and didn't want to get blown out. Plus it was 200 pts, and I'd almost never played 200 pts. I used r FL, e dr. strange, e wasp, r vulture and a medic (this was before CT). It made my skin crawl.

M!

[FueledByRaimen]

Picking on firelord is wrong. Ladies and Gentlemen I have played old school Mage Knight, and as long as we never see a Storm Golem in Hero Clix, be happy, it ruin the game for me the day I pulled it. Firelord however has lent himself to my victory points many a time, and I have lost him many a time.

That's a flawed analogy because in chess, both sides HAVE a queen. Both sides have, in fact, identical teams. White does have the advantage of going first (which seems to be a disadvantage most of the time in HC), but otherwise chess is as close to a perfectly balanced game as you can get.

Very well put man. Heroclix could be a game of Xmen vs xmen, same sames. WE have an advantage of being able to use variety, but if we really want to talk about equality, we might as well have the same team. I am stoked that I get to use my favorite comic heros, and if yours is Firelord, I hope Juggernaut throws you through a wall.

[bknauff]

Brigadier M - I understand your chess point, but it has also taken almost 1000 years to develop chess as we know it today (I remember and old Amiga computer game that had some of the other versions of chess on it - very wierd). I don't want to wait that long to have fun with HC.

What I was thinking about was more like WWII history where the US tanks couldn't fight the German tanks directly. They had to use other tactics. The soldiers didn't just whine about how good the German tanks were and why we should wait for our tanks to get better. That's the problem with tournament-focus. I like to play games that remind me of the battles I've read about in the comics, regardless of who is involved or what the point cost is.

[Lex Luthor]

I have a new 200 pt team:

Rookie Firelord 66 pts
Vet Crimson Dynamo 134 pts
-----
200 pts


Two actions, 5 damage each. There arent many dials deeper than 10 if you catch my drift.

[the itsy bit]

actually I don't really care for Iron Man (and his related enemies), I'd rather would like to see all Spiderman's enemies (especially the Sinister Six/syndicate !).

But I don't mind them being in here, they make for good trade bait !

[The Burt]

Originally posted by bknauff
What I do want to say is that there has to be more to WK games than these tournaments. That means there have to be figures that might not work in tournaments (high cost or low usefulness or too powerful or whatever) that still show up in the set to allow us to play a superhero fighting game. I want to recreate the battles I've read about in the comics or watched on the TV shows or do similar ones.

I want to play and have fun.

Amen Brotha! Can I get an Amen out there!

The BEST part about this game is being able to FINALLY play a miniatures game based on super-heroes. Are the rules the best? Heck no! Are the figures the best painted? Heck no! Doesn't matter. They are enough for now. Make up house rules--the best thing you can do. Repaint them! I do it all the time. Get your friends together and scratch build terrain and buildings to make diaoramas on which to battle. Argue about which figures are broken, but PLAY. Have fun.
I don't ever intend to join a HC Tournament. I think the game rules are non-sensical for tournament style play. That's my opinion. The best part is having fun while putting Cap against Batman (not much of a contest, I realize) or the JLA vs the Avengers. The designers HAVE gone to great lengths to provide characters as close as they can get them within the confines of the rules to those in the comics that we all grew up with.

There are some GREAT resources out there for making up your own power dials. Make up your own characters. There is usually a wealth of ideas on this site. Convert. Use your imagination. Don't get lost in the morass of the math for this game. YES, Firelord is the most bang for your buck. We all understand that. We know that taxiing and medics create a certain style of play. We all know that. But that still doesn't keep ME from having Spidey duke it out with Doc Ock or having Batman and Robin taking on a horde of thugs and lackeys alongside the Joker. Or have the Hulk smash up the National Guard. Or having Supes well...take on whatever he wants to. You see, the game is about fun. It is a great game with a lot of flexibility and room for individual nuance and creativity.

So once again, AMEN, Brother!

[The Burt]

I forgot. The Crimson Dynamo rocks! Always one of my favs. Some great battles in the old Armor Wars days (and before). Somebody mentioned the old armor was better, well, I tend to agree, but not that it matters much. The horned armor was cooler. But this is pretty good as is. The Russian Master Blaster has returned! Any thoughts on Titanium Man now? or the Guardian Armor? War Machine? Anyone, Bueller? Bueller?

[Klarc Quente]

I got it! No one else did!! It is all mine!

I've been waiting since the thread started to get post #151. I did not want #1 or #2... no way... I am the #151 poster and that is the coolest! (LOL!)

By the way... I agree that Firelord got some improvements lost his yellow and orange and a bigger cost. Looks pretty playable to me and it also looks like pieces are improving with each set... I would rather have all of them balanced, but it seems that they need to build figures to compete with Firelord...

[capfan]

Sounds like a very nice figure, but it is too soon to tell how valuable he will be without seeing actual stats. I'm still excited about all of the new characters and the attempts to balance the figures and the game.

[Teletran]

hey?!? It just occurred to me that RED-like figs are lucky...

Firelord
new Daredevil
Crimson Dynamo

Soo...... what happened to the Human Torch?!? Why was he screwed along with the FF? Definitely, Torch's nova blast should be much stronger than anything CD could throw right?!?

And that poor LE Johnny Storm...... why oh why?

[PantherPriest]

Firelord? what firelord? I don't see a firelord I see a crimson dynamo. Big difference. oooohhh he hits for five? so does hulk big deal this guy is not firelord. A lucky thug can beat the #### out of firelord, no thug is beating this guy. ohh big whoop five damage, let him move, then icapacitate him and he's clicked oops no more five damage. As long as iron man has a good chance at beating him I don't care

The problem with you people is that...

Wait a minute! This guy isn't an xman! screw this, I'm going back to sleep.

And yes johnny should have been better, but the ff4 team is one of my favorites to field, why doesn't his attack go up with nova flare? and why does fire only hurt for 2? And why does his defense bite?

[EVIL CAP]

What game are you playing where a lucky Thug can beat up FL and a figure without RS moves on his own and into the range of an incapacitator?

[The Burt]

heh heh... that one actually made me chuckle... Nice reposte.