iPad on the table? [Archive]

imaleximsweet

08/04/2010, 00:59

As I understand I cannot look at dials mid game (other than the current slot, which makes sense)

But I wonder how people feel about an iPad being present at the table, doing things like tracking actions, or tokens granted on a character card (I.e manipulate.

For example, I write down my opponents team, and next to it write how many clix they have taken (via tally marks) should I then do the same for my team? I wouldn't "hide" the info it would be out there for all to see.

This thought just occurred to me because I plan on bringing my iPad to pump music into while I play, it'll help me concentrate, I just want to know if it's a bad idea or not...

imaleximsweet

08/04/2010, 00:59

Also I'm specifically talk in about gencon

PsychoHippie

08/04/2010, 01:00

Yeah, that sounds like keeping notes to me, which is strictly verboten.

I wouldn't do it if I were you.

JSChristy

08/04/2010, 01:01

PsychoHippie

08/04/2010, 01:02

Hm. Looking at another thread down the line, notes may not be as forbidden as I thought.

I still wouldn't do it though.

imaleximsweet

08/04/2010, 01:06

Hm. Looking at another thread down the line, notes may not be as forbidden as I thought.

I still wouldn't do it though.

Ya that's where the question came from.

Don't wanna be a cheater yanno...

ManOfCopper89

08/04/2010, 01:08

I would be a little scared to do so. You don't want to give anyone a reason to accuse you of anything.

Although, I don't really think the specific stuff you mentioned would be a problem as the click number is now displayed on the dial, so how many clix a figure has taken should be known to both players anyway. Action tokens are also displayed on the board and character cards are shown, so recording an opponent's team wouldn't be a problem, but at the same time, like I said, you don't really want to give your opponent any reason, no matter how minuscule and even if it's completely off-base, to accuse you of anything.

EDIT: Maybe just check with your opponent before the match to see if their comfortable with it?

PsychoHippie

08/04/2010, 01:35

Ya that's where the question came from.

Don't wanna be a cheater yanno...

Like they say in my yearly Ethics class...avoiding the appearance of impropriety is as important as avoiding impropriety itself.

And you IPad MIGHT appear improper to someone, no matter how innocently you use it.

imaleximsweet

08/04/2010, 01:43

Like they say in my yearly Ethics class...avoiding the appearance of impropriety is as important as avoiding impropriety itself.

And you IPad MIGHT appear improper to someone, no matter how innocently you use it.

Good point, thanks for ur input guys, I'll leave the thread open incase someone else wants to throw their input in. Ill check it periodically.

Wade Wilson

08/04/2010, 01:48

I would ask, would also think it would have to do with how your opponent felt about it as well...

ShadowMark

08/04/2010, 02:58

asking may be a good thing. But, as stated, I would probably avoid it in that high of a level of competition. Someone could easily say it's OK, but the moment you are winning, or they know they can't pull out a victory, they may accuse you of cheating and get you DQ'd.

I would advise against it.

imaleximsweet

08/04/2010, 03:31

Thanks everyone,

What is everyones stance on dice rolling apps? Fair, not fair?

Discuss

noregretz

08/04/2010, 03:44

Thanks everyone,

What is everyones stance on dice rolling apps? Fair, not fair?

Discuss

Like PsychoHippie said: that would give the appearance of cheating. How could your opponent be sure that you're not a programmer that has developed a rigged app?

I see nothing wrong with it in a casual game, but no way in a tourney.

Captain Krueger

08/04/2010, 03:47

What do you mean by "I plan to pump in music" ? Cause I remember a tornament once where a friend of mine who was playnig a martial artist theme team started all his matches by playing "Kung-Fu Fighting" out loud for everybody to hear. It may have help him concentrtae, but it definitly sucks my brain out ! (That was fun, though)

jak7890

08/04/2010, 04:59

Thanks everyone,

What is everyones stance on dice rolling apps? Fair, not fair?

Discuss

If WK has official dice, I believe you are to use those in tournament. Again, though, if I were your opponent, and didn't know you from Adam, I'd probably insist that you use physical dice, or even share mine with me.

BlueAndorian

08/04/2010, 06:03

If you asked me, as your opponent, I'd say no. Cheating...blah, blah blah...wasting time...blah, blah blah...distracting...blah, blah blah...

And there's no way I'd say okay to a dice rolling app unless we were good buddies playing a casual game

sorry

Harpua

08/04/2010, 06:08

I think you can see how it will be handled at Gencon in this thread. (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=283585)
I don't have a problem with a cell phone being used during the tournament (i.e., a phone call comes in). But I'm not in favor of them being left on the tables. The only things that should be on the tables are what you need to play - figs, tokens, cards, etc.
Emphasis added.

charlesx

08/04/2010, 07:25

I have to agree with Norm's ruling. iPads, dice rolling apps, etc., might be acceptable at home or at your local venue between friends. At Gen Con, though, we're talking a higher level of competition and it should be a level field for all players. I know that if I were a participant at the event, this would not sit well with me - and hopefully the judges would feel the same way.

MattMinus

08/04/2010, 08:52

I can't imagine anything more obnoxious than playing music during a game, and I know a thing or two about obnoxious.

charlesx

08/04/2010, 08:56

I can't imagine anything more obnoxious than playing music during a game.

Depends on the music. :p

PONX

08/04/2010, 14:36

normalview

08/04/2010, 14:43

Question: let's say for the sake of arguement after a game ends someone realizes that a figure on one's force only lives for 8 clix. The player knows for sure that it received no less than 9 damage. What should the player that was cheated do?

OR

The set player just finished hitting that fig for 9 and it's still in play. What should that player do?

What I would do depends an awful lot on the exact circumstances, but whenever you are in doubt about somehting (anything), call over a judge. They are all over the place at these official events.

PsychoHippie

08/04/2010, 14:44

Question: let's say for the sake of arguement after a game ends someone realizes that a figure on one's force only lives for 8 clix. The player knows for sure that it received no less than 9 damage. What should the player that was cheated do?

OR

The set player just finished hitting that fig for 9 and it's still in play. What should that player do?
My first instinct would be to look at my opponent and say"Dude? He's still standing? How many clicks has he got anyway?"

If he's cheating, he knows I'm on to him. If he just made a mistake, he has a chance to correct it.

After that, I got no idea.

tom730

08/04/2010, 15:00

What I would do depends an awful lot on the exact circumstances, but whenever you are in doubt about somehting (anything), call over a judge. They are all over the place at these official events.

What he said.
Norm will give instructions before the tourney begins and will ask if there are any questions.
I've volunteered at a lot of Wizard World Cons in the past and for the most part players (at least in my view) were very much on the up and up.
However, there have been some folks who have tried to win by stalling once they are ahead. If you suspect this, call a Judge over. Be polite, but suggest that since the opponent is ahead you are concerned, especially if they take a lot of time to do nothing.
Norm won't put up with this, and certainly won't put up with any other kind of cheating. I spent one tournament (as a Judge) just watching the play of a player who had been accused of stalling the day before.
Norm runs a tight ship. He works real hard to keep it fair and fun. In my experience so do the volunteer Judges.

imaleximsweet

08/04/2010, 15:44

I was just wondering about the dice app, I am actually bringing dice my grandpa bought from Vegas forever ago. I was just wondering what everyones general consensus was.

For the recordni would agree with u guys.

Also, to "pump music" would be to play it quietly I to my headphones, as to not disturb others and so I can still here my opponent.

absolutvt69

08/04/2010, 16:25

As a side note, I use my iPad to keep all the rules documents on as well as be able to look up figures in the gallery and such. It's pretty handy for a judge. I've also used it to pull up HCRealms or the WizKids site and show previews to players who hadn't seen it yet. But I wouldn't be too keen on a player using any electronic device to track anything. Now if they wanted to listen to music either with headphones on or at a low level provided no one else minded... yeah that's fine. And I also use dice rolling apps for things like random BFCs and such but I don't think I'd allow players to use them as their combat dice... just too much margin for other people to think something fishy was going on.

ThorKnigh83

08/04/2010, 17:13

i am ok with dice rolling apps in a game like this only if you let your opponent use the app as well. after all it would be virtually impossible unless your a genius to ensure only your rolls would be the good ones when you have no idea how many actions your opponent will take on their turn or how often you yourself might have to roll.

Harpua

08/05/2010, 07:23

iPad on the table?!?!?!?

The real question is if you can have pants on the ground.

Ultim8 Avenger

08/05/2010, 07:41

do it. then tell us what happened. i bet you would have some interesting stories to tell! :laugh:

imaleximsweet

08/05/2010, 11:00

:(do it. then tell us what happened. i bet you would have some interesting stories to tell! :laugh:

Just met norm for the first time, he basically already made sure to say no hahahaha

Ultim8 Avenger

08/05/2010, 12:47

:(

Just met norm for the first time, he basically already made sure to say no hahahaha

it was worth a shot :p

The7ofDiamonds

08/05/2010, 12:58

I'd be okay with it just because it would put some humor in the matchup just because I was playing against some poor soul that wasted their money on a product as terrible as the ipad.

Petros76

08/05/2010, 14:03

My 2 cents:
No to ipad on table. I would allow you to use it as a foot stool if you wanted, but no to using it otherwise. Even if you want to use it to listen to music, it becomes distracting to the other player (even if you use headphones and can hear what they are saying, it's just a bit disrespectful).
No to apps - it doesn't matter if you allow your opponent to use it as well. There are still ways to program something into the system to get high rolls after certain amount of rolls or whatever.
I would just stay away from things that could potentially seem like someone was cheating.

absolutvt69

08/05/2010, 19:41

I'd be okay with it just because it would put some humor in the matchup just because I was playing against some poor soul that wasted their money on a product as terrible as the ipad.

Do I detect a hint of jealousy? ;) I think you can argue the iPad is unnecessary and a gadget... but a terrible product? Not so much. It won't replace a laptop but I have a laptop already. I was looking to buy a netbook and an e-reader and rather than buy two devices that added up to the cost of an iPad I just bought an iPad instead. It wasn't anything I needed by any stretch but it is a very fun toy, something I can surf the web on or watch Netflix and as I said above it comes in handy when it comes to HeroClix PDFs and such.

The7ofDiamonds

08/06/2010, 01:47

Do I detect a hint of jealousy? ;) I think you can argue the iPad is unnecessary and a gadget... but a terrible product? Not so much. It won't replace a laptop but I have a laptop already. I was looking to buy a netbook and an e-reader and rather than buy two devices that added up to the cost of an iPad I just bought an iPad instead. It wasn't anything I needed by any stretch but it is a very fun toy, something I can surf the web on or watch Netflix and as I said above it comes in handy when it comes to HeroClix PDFs and such.

Jealousy? Ha! No, I legitimately feel it is a horrible horrible product. At the moment the only electronic I could consider more obsolete is this (http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb288/forgottensoul430/fail-dvd-rewinder.jpg). Okay, maybe that is a bit of an exaggeration, as nothing is as obsolete as that.... But I really do feel it's a horrible product. The reasons I could discuss, but that's a discussion for another time and place.