Charecter Review- LE Antman and Yellowjacket

[Pip the Troll]

Hey all I hope azs hasnt done these yet, but i havnt seen, so i thought that id try in the spirit of Azs
k first id like to point out that neither of these figures stats are posted correctly in hcrealms warrior section or at wizkids site
antman costs 43
yellowjacket costs 41 and only does 1 damage done his dial not 2, and also his defence is 12 on his last click not 16.
now on we go

Antman

For all of you who are lucky to have a LE Antman, the first thing we all notice ios his aweosme 20 defence. The highest defence in the game and he starts with it, this is the antman biggest asset, it makes most charecters have to roll a 10 or more to hit, Antman also comes with the avengers team ability, this enables him to move freely around the board while not using up any of your precious actions. His 20 defence coupled with the free movment makes him an xcellant Tie up piece u can send him over to your opponenst annoying sharpshooters or towards their big hittters to tie em up and slow them down. Antman also has an ok attack of 8 allowing him to hit the average defence of 15 with some confidence, even tho he deals no damage, he does have incapacitate, which only further helps him to tie up pieces and a range of 4 lets him be of use even form a bit of a distance. His stats also stay somewhat consistant, his defence only drops one point per click so even after hes pushed he still has a 19 defence. Where I find him a little weak is his movement, he only has a 6 movement so he cant go across large distances. He also has stealth which is an awesome power but i think a bit wasted on antman, as with his high defence he doesnt really need to hit out in stealth. Also his high defence also makes him very hard to heal, as it never gets lower than 16. Antman is also not very tough as he dies after only 5 clicks, however his 20 defence makes him hard to hit. All in all for 43 points Antman is a useful piece to tie up yer opponents, and will stick around late with a high defence that poeple will hesitate to even try and hit. One thing to remmeber whne playin him is not to push him, make yer opponents work to dmaage him.

Yellowjacket
Like antman yellowjacket has a 20 defence, as well as incapacitate, with an 8 attack. Also just like antman his range in 4. His defence also goes down form 20-19-18-17 then drops to a 13 on his last click (hcrealms has it posted wrong), this allows you a good opportunity to heal her at the end of her dial if the situation arises. The big diferances between the 2 pieces is number 1, the team abilities, Yellowjacket is part of the Master's of Evil instead of the avngers, which we all know is a waste of points. So while points are wasted there and he loses his free movement he is stilll better than antman. Unlike antman, yellowjacket does not have stealth, he instead has leap/ climb, aloowing him to move anywya on the map ignoring terrian and figure bases. He also has a much better movement with 8. His 8 movement with leap climb lets him move from threat to threar with ease as he never needs to break away, and he can also chase down pesky fliers who hide on rooftops. He also can deal 1 damage in addition to his incapacitate, to give u more options on how to use him offencivly.
He's also cheaper than antman's 43 points as he only costs 41. All in all her moveability and leap climb coupled with her 20 defence makes her the best tie up piece in the game and will cause yer opponenst alot of anger when she moves around stopping their ranged figures from being effective.


i hope you all enjoy my review
cheers

[gelf13]

I hate to be a nit-picker, but I think you'll find that people will respect your thoughts and opinions more if you present them a bit better. Try typing your review in your word processor and running spell check. Also correct capitalization and punctuation is very nice. I know, I sound like some boring English teacher, but if you want to be taken seriously I think it helps. The truth is I didn’t really read your review so I don’t know if you have good insights or not. I was too distracted by the writing style.
Again, I’m sorry to sound like some old curmudgeon, and I’m not trying to be insulting.
It’s just the way I feel. IMHO presentation counts.
Gelf

[blau_me]

It's true, Yellowjacket is better than Antman. He's perfect for tying up opponents, forcing break away. Also, his defense drops to a 13! which makes him healable, unlike Antman.

[Pip the Troll]

my lol
yer quite the nice fellow eh. I know that i may have made a few spelling mistakes, but i didnt think it was the be all end all of the world. I just play and post for fun, however i do understand yer point about grammer and spelling, just didnt think anyone cared, knowing that i didnt. So I will work harder at that in the future, I didnt mean to offend your delicate view of English.
anyways i hope that others actually read my post and hopefully somewhat enjoyed it.
thanks
cheers

[Styrix]

good review. And I whole heartedly aggree. The only t20 questions I have are:

Are they worth the cash?

Are the worth the points?

[Veggiehater]

Originally posted by Pip the Troll
I just play and post for fun, however i do understand yer point about grammer and spelling, just didnt think anyone cared, knowing that i didnt.

I generally don't care much about spelling and grammar. Though I have to say that your review would've been a whole lot easier to read if you broke it up into paragraphs! ;)

The way it is currently formatted is rather hard on the eyes, and this could result to people not willing to read through the entirety of the review. A shame since your review is rather well done.

Nice points, but could use a little more work. Good job overall.
VH

[Pip the Troll]

good questions

id say yellowjacket is defianly worth the points
i have won 2 tourniamnets using him and he was intergral
he always tied up my opponents long range shooters and even damaged them at times, letting my shooters hit them without worry

but thx for the questioon, i should have addressed that better in my posta mnd will next time
as for buying them
i was given them as a gift soooooo
lol but they are alot of fun to use
thx for the reply
cheers

[Pip the Troll]

:) thanks veggiehater, i nderstand and tahnk u for saying it nicely

i will next time i post a review make it more easier on the eyes

and how can u not like carrottsssssss, captain carrot isnt gonna be impressed and when he becomes a heroclix watch out
:)
thx for the advice and iw ill do that in the future
cheers

[PMMJ]

Originally posted by Pip the Troll
my lol
yer quite the nice fellow eh. I know that i may have made a few spelling mistakes, but i didnt think it was the be all end all of the world. I just play and post for fun, however i do understand yer point about grammer and spelling, just didnt think anyone cared, knowing that i didnt. So I will work harder at that in the future, I didnt mean to offend your delicate view of English.

There's a difference between a couple grammatical and spelling errors, and just not trying. You have good things to say, but you make it hard to understand by not cleaning it up a bit when you are done.

[Pip the Troll]

aughhh
:( i do try,
man, lets stick to the whole frielndly forum part of things, its all for run
if you have a problem then PM me you dont gotta be so harsh about it, :(
i believe ive been told this twice and veggiehatter said it quite nice and as i said i will spellcheck and what not next i post
its not that i dont aprreciate criticim's cause i do, just say them nicly
and remember its alkl about fun and good natured playing
cheers

[Fogs]

LOL, lets all be easy on the Pipster...

While he definitely wouldn't make it to the second round of the HCRealms Spelling Bee, he's been a busy boy around here. Tournies, character reviews, posts on other people's threads...

He may not be a grammer king, but he makes up for it by being prolific! :D

I sense a Cult Figure in the making on these boards. ;)

Oh and Pip? Even though you were given them, Styrix had a good question. One that I often ask myself (with my finger poised on the mouse, cursor hovering over EBay's Submit bid button) Do you think they're worth the cash? They go for about $50 on Ebay as a pair, maybe more. That puts them individually at about $25 bucks apiece, $5 more than a "Hot" Unique.

[Pip the Troll]

ahhh man thats steep

i never go on ebay so i wouldnt know, like i said i got them as a gift from a friend, antman i like as an avenger cause they are my all time favroite team and comic,

but yellowjacket i find sooo usefull and have him on many teams
with is 20 defence and leap climb he ties up everybody and people always get annoyed when i use him
most people dont even try and shoot him till later in the game cause they are afraid to waste an action and miss him.

i mean theres alot of uniques that id choose yellowjacket over, but that is alot of money,
it all comes down to what u have to spend on heroclicks, like i said yellowjacket is an aweome piece, but u could still make just as good a team without him by using other pieces.

but if yer a collector who wnats to get all the cool pieces then i say definalty go for them

i dont know if i was much help, but i dont like telling other people to spend loads of moeny that we all know could be used better )i know it but i odnt like to admit it)

as for my spelling, its ok, im going back to kindergarden, figure id start back at the beggining :)

cheers

[Jervis_Tetch]

Ummmmm, just in general, i'm not gonna decide whether i take someone seriously or not based on they're spelling and grammar. Oh no, he forgot I before E except after C, im not gonna take him seriously anymore. If yer writing up a large amount of relatively lengthy posts, u don't always wanna have to go back and fix every little thing. Lighten up and relax :D

Just my thoughts

[gelf13]

OK. Look. I was afraid of this turning into more than it was. I wasn't trying to make some big deal out of Pip's style, and I'm not suggesting that anyone needs to go to any great lengths. I myself am a terrible typist (Typos aplenty) and an awful speller (I am dyslexic and came in dead last in my school in spelling. DEAD last.) I only suggested running the long posts, like a review, through spellchecker before posting. Or don't. We all grow from our differences.
<Stepping off soapbox>
In the meantime, I read the review in question and think our friend here has a good head on his shoulders and has put some thought into these reviews. Kudos.
I just wonder where I can find somebody to give ME an LE Antman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<sigh>
Gelf

[DarthJer]

Two things from me...

1. Great points about the two figs...Time for me to give them another look...

2. Those other guys are right. It is hard to read...Just stuff that you'll get with more experience...It looks like most of those mistakes were stuff that would have been caught with a proof-read through before posting...The review is good...Make sure that the first person to read the review after it's done is yourself. Then post it.

Good stuff, Pip. Now get another one up there. ;)

[Pip the Troll]

yesssssss
we can all be friends
here have a cigar, and come and have a nice chat with the Pipman

cheers

[Jervis_Tetch]

About the only place yer gonna find the LE Antman or LE Yellowjacket lately is on Ebay, and last i checked they went for around $66.00 US. Getting Antman by himself is a little harder and prices vary cause usually people sell them together since they were originally packaged with each other.

[Jervis_Tetch]

Actually I JUST checked, there are 3 new auctions just started on Ebay by the same seller for the Antman/Yellowjacket LE's. Since there's three, they might not go up so high in price, but you gotta search for Ant-Man not Antman :D Starting price for all three is $5.00.....with 7 days to go though

[Pip the Troll]

ahhh nice jervis

im serious ry, yoou are the ebay sniper eh
anywyas if anyone's interested jervis is the best at finding good deals on ebay so, you might wanna check that out
cheers

[JackAssterson]

Hey, enjoyed the review. Enjoyed it so much that I revised it a tad, like so :

Antman

For those of you who lucky enough to own a LE Antman, the first thing you’ll notice is his awesome 20 defense. It’s the highest defense in the game and he starts with it, making most characters have to roll a 10 or more to hit.

Antman has the Avengers team ability, enabling him to move freely around the board while not using up any of your precious actions. His 20 defense coupled with the free movement makes him an excellent tie-up piece. You can send him over to your opponent’s annoying sharpshooters or their big hittters to tie ‘em up and slow them down.

Antman also has an ok attack of 8, allowing him to hit the average defense of 15 with some confidence. Even though he deals no damage, he does have incapacitate, which only further helps him to tie up pieces. His range of 4 lets him be of use even from a bit of distance. His stats also stay somewhat consistent, with his defense only dropping one point per click. Even after he’s pushed he still has a 19 defense.

His movement’s a little weak. He only has a 6, so he can’t go across large distances. He also has stealth, which is an awesome power, but I think is a bit wasted on Antman, as with his high defense he doesn't really need to hide out. His high defense also makes him very hard to heal, as it never gets lower than 16.

Antman is also not very tough, dying after only 5 clicks, but that 20 defense still makes him hard to hit.

All in all, for 43 points Antman is a useful piece to tie up your opponents, and will stick around late with a high defense that people will hesitate to even try and hit. One thing to remember when playing him is not to push him, and make your opponents work to damage him.

Yellowjacket

Like Antman, Yellowjacket has a 20 defense, as well as incapacitate, an 8 attack and her range is 4. His defense also goes down from 20-19-18-17 and then drops to a 13 on his last click (hcrealms has it posted wrong), this allows you a good opportunity to heal him at the end of his dial if the situation arises.

Yellowjacket is part of the Masters of Evil instead of the Avengers, which we all know is a waste of points. So while points are wasted there and he loses his free movement, he is still better than Antman.

Unlike Antman, Yellowjacket does not have stealth. She instead has leap/ climb, allowing him to move anywhere on the map, ignoring terrain and figure bases. He also has a much better movement of 8.

His 8 movement with leap climb lets him move from threat to threat with ease as he never needs to break away, and he can also chase down pesky fliers who hide on rooftops. He also can deal 1 damage in addition to his incapacitate, to giving you more offensive options.

He's also cheaper than Antman's 43 points with a cost of 41. Her moveability and leap/climb coupled with 20 defense makes her the best tie up piece in the game and will cause your opponents a lot of anger as she moves around stopping their ranged figures from being effective.

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Thanks for the review, Pipster!

[Pip the Troll]

ROFL

HAHA thx jack, here have one of the Pipman's cigar's yer a good man.
have a good day
cheers

[Mr. Pilkington]

I look at them more as collector pieces. They are expensive to find and have relatively high point costs for what you get, but they are representations of specific characters that weren't in the IC set. Yellowjacket has been released in CT, but the figures are very different (aside from the fact that the IC LE doesn't have a figure!).

I am a collector at heart, so I got them a while back. I wanted an Ant-Man for my old school Avengers team (really need a Giant Man, but you take what you can get). Ant-Man is a solid part of the history of the Avengers.

The Yellowjacket LE is a version of Rita when she stole the Yellowjacket suit and worked with the MoE. The CT MoE Yellowjacket gives the MoE a taxi. The IC LE gives them a mobile harrier figure with Incap. So both have their uses, and they both do their part to help utilize the MoE team ability (the LE can L/C into place easily and the CT version can taxi another MoE into the fight).

If you play themed teams these two pieces can be nice to have (esp. for MoE since so many of their members are so expensive). If you are playing for tournaments your mileage will vary considerably. Yeas, they are hard to hit, but if they are hit it doesn't take too much to give your opponent 40ish points.

[AZS]

They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery so.. :D

Pip, you make some good points, thanks for puting pen to paper (so to speak.)

On the whole spelling, grammar, etc issue, well, people will often tell you that its not just what you say, but how you say it.

But then again, you are a troll. :p

[Nevest]

Good review Pip, I'm not sure I'm ready to fork over all that money for them, but you opened my eyes up to some new characters.

I would concur with everyone else, you should drop your figure reviews into Word or something and run a spell check before putting them out. I still read your review and could figure it out, but it would be a lot better if you polished it up a bit. The revision done above is much nicer to read. If you find mistakes later on you can always go hit the edit button in the bottom right of your post and fix any problems.

[Keleko]

Originally posted by Mr. Pilkington
I look at them more as collector pieces. They are expensive to find and have relatively high point costs for what you get, but they are representations of specific characters that weren't in the IC set. Yellowjacket has been released in CT, but the figures are very different (aside from the fact that the IC LE doesn't have a figure!).

I am a collector at heart, so I got them a while back. I wanted an Ant-Man for my old school Avengers team (really need a Giant Man, but you take what you can get). Ant-Man is a solid part of the history of the Avengers.

The Yellowjacket LE is a version of Rita when she stole the Yellowjacket suit and worked with the MoE. The CT MoE Yellowjacket gives the MoE a taxi. The IC LE gives them a mobile harrier figure with Incap. So both have their uses, and they both do their part to help utilize the MoE team ability (the LE can L/C into place easily and the CT version can taxi another MoE into the fight).

If you play themed teams these two pieces can be nice to have (esp. for MoE since so many of their members are so expensive). If you are playing for tournaments your mileage will vary considerably. Yeas, they are hard to hit, but if they are hit it doesn't take too much to give your opponent 40ish points.

The Yellowjacket LE is the same person as Ant Man. They are both Henry Pym. That's why they were packaged together. There is a period of Pym's history where he took the Yellowjacket name and joined the Masters of Evil under Egghead's leadership. He was also an Avenger and Defender as Yellowjacket before then. It was his time as Yellowjacket that he married Wasp, too. The Yellowjacket in CT is a completely different person (Rita) using the name and costume that was originally Dr. Pym's.

For a pretty complete history of Dr. Pym, go here: http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/g/goliath.htm

[Keleko]

I played in a tournament where I had LE Yellowjacket on the team. I also had Titania and V-Whirlwind for other MoE figures. My ranged figure was V-Bullseye. Yellowjacket didn't do a whole lot in the games, but in one game he was taken out by an AIM Medic and a wounded E-Black Cat when, in 3 attacks over 3 turns, my opponent rolled 3 critical hits against Yellowjacket. I did win the tournament, though. A large part of the reason I won was my use of the MoE ability when attacking with Titania and Whirlwind.

[Mr. Pilkington]

Keleko - I won't dispute that there was a period where Pym was Yellowjacket and served with the MoE. But WizKids has never stated which Yellowjacket the LE from IC really is. While the two figures (well, okay, bases) were packaged together there was no information on the characters. So you could assume that they were both Pym. Granted, other people have been Ant-Man as well (although I'm honestly not sure if any of them were Avengers). Seeing that in CT they released a Yellowjacket that was decidedly Rita it could be assumed that the first one was and that they remade her to be similar to Wasp. Or you could assume that the first one was Hank and they made the new one to represent another person using the suit.

What I'm trying to say is that we don't know. So you can play the LE as Hank if you want, and others can play it as Rita. :D But it is nice to give folks more info regarding the people who could be behind the mask. :)