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Surfer13
08/07/2010, 10:29
From the Twitter feed.
And here they are (http://yfrog.com/b535ihj).
Gentlegamer
08/07/2010, 10:30
Freakin' Sweet! :)
Thulsa Doom
08/07/2010, 10:32
Thank you very much. They look good. This DC set looks like a must buy already.
Ok, that's cool. I will have to track them down at least.
And at least they make good use of the Peanut base by including Gleek.
Hopefully they won't be a SR, but I suspect that they will.
And also hopefully, the next X-Men/Mutant set will do Northstar/Aurora like this.
WhoaDirty
08/07/2010, 10:45
Carlos is going to lose it! :)
CoolJerk
08/07/2010, 10:45
That. Is hilarious.
First thing I'm gonna do is mod a bucket for Gleek. Because that's HIS Wonder Twin power — conjuring buckets off-frame. You know it's true.
Gentlegamer
08/07/2010, 10:50
Does this also mean . . . APACHE CHIEF?
aqhoffman
08/07/2010, 10:56
Form of a...Giant Triscarlian Flying Death Lizard!!
Form of, um... uh...some water.
I bought a Zan t-shirt at the local store yesterday. (My girlfriend's comment: "How can they even sell that without a matching J shirt?")
I am wearing my new Z shirt as i read about this click.
Wonder Twin Powers - Activate!
Gentlegamer
08/07/2010, 11:03
I'm chuckling to myself right now: there used to be a pair of DC Trolling Marvel Zombies that posted in the comics forums that we termed The Wonder Twins.
I bet they'd love this duo. :grin:
Hellfire117
08/07/2010, 11:05
Does this also mean . . . APACHE CHIEF?
Yes! We must all lobby for Apache Chief and Black Vulcan clix!! Maybe lame-o Samurai too to fill out the Super Friends roster.
Gentlegamer
08/07/2010, 11:07
Yes! We must all lobby for Apache Chief and Black Vulcan clix!! Maybe lame-o Samurai too to fill out the Super Friends roster.
And El Dorado! "My powers are taco-windmill-doorknob, amgios!"*
*Seanbaby reference ;)
Yes! We must all lobby for Apache Chief and Black Vulcan clix!! Maybe lame-o Samurai too to fill out the Super Friends roster.
Will Black Vulcan have a LE called Super Volt?
Does this also mean . . . APACHE CHIEF?
::must start work on a Hot Cup of Coffee special object to take away his size-changing abilities::
Gentlegamer
08/07/2010, 11:10
::must start work on a Hot Cup of Coffee special object to take away his size-changing abilities::
"After spilling hot coffee on my lap, I can no longer grow . . . larger. :nervous:"
Ok, we need Harvey Birdman Clix, too. :grin:
Shellhead's Pal
08/07/2010, 11:12
Does this also mean . . . APACHE CHIEF?Great Gatsby, I sure hope so. I want Apache Chief even more than the Wonder Twins! Grow grow grow grow grow...
I know it's already been said but....
Carlos is going to lose his freaking mind!
Tarnish
Superman Green
08/07/2010, 11:36
Form of a...Giant Triscarlian Flying Death Lizard!!
Form of, um... uh...some water.
Girls mature faster than boys. I frequently wonder whether Zan's full abilities just hadn't kicked in yet. There's really no reason he couldn't turn into acid and dissolve a piece of Kryptonite that had Superman on the ropes, or change into a pool of chloroform and put a rioting mob to sleep..of course, he and Jayna were supposed to be JUNIOR superheroes. Can't have them upstaging the real stars of the show, can we now?
Shield001
08/07/2010, 11:41
DC75 gonna have some big boosters.
I know it's already been said but....
Carlos is going to lose his freaking mind!
Tarnish For some reason an image of the already-empty barn's door being closed comes to mind...
Hatut Zeraze
08/07/2010, 11:45
I'm actually more excited about getting this piece than any of the others shown thus far.
Shield001
08/07/2010, 11:49
Wonder twins PSA (http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?xl=xl_blazer&v=ePLXE8pLT5Q)
Riksheare
08/07/2010, 12:07
And for the editorial responce:
I'm in hell...
6mhbxlz_wrI
I Do hope they have a gopher moat ability.
malakim2099
08/07/2010, 12:18
Well, now I want Space Ghost clix.
PhoenixIII
08/07/2010, 12:41
Awesome News! Now I want to see Apache Chief, Samurai, Black Vulcan and the often overlooked El Dorado
I know it's already been said but....
Carlos is going to lose his freaking mind!
Tarnish
Carlos is going to lose it! :)
Where is he? Or did he die of a heart attack already :p?
That's pretty cool, I must say. NECA is really going all out with this game. It gives hope that everyone can get their favorite character, no matter how obscure. Awesome sauce :cool:
SimonMoon5
08/07/2010, 13:00
Girls mature faster than boys. I frequently wonder whether Zan's full abilities just hadn't kicked in yet. There's really no reason he couldn't turn into acid and dissolve a piece of Kryptonite that had Superman on the ropes, or change into a pool of chloroform and put a rioting mob to sleep..of course, he and Jayna were supposed to be JUNIOR superheroes. Can't have them upstaging the real stars of the show, can we now?
Zan's abilities were fully developed (at least in the comic book). He could turn into a frost giant or Jack Frost himself. But even then, Jayna was yet more powerful, as she could turn into Kryptonian creatures with all the powers that Kryptonians have. Fortunately, she would usually choose not to do so (or forget that she could) unless faced with a Kryptonian creature. But she could still turn into other weird alien creatures, such a giant bird thing with hypnotic powers.
On the cartoon, they were mere comic relief, as undeserving of respect as any other comic relief character (see also Brainiac 5 in the 2nd version (reboot version) of the Legion of Super-Heroes). In the comics, they were still learning but capable of occasionally saving the day.
Personally, I was fascinated by the other Exxorian superpowered twins who could turn into copies of other superheroes, but would get gradually weaker as they were defeated. (So, they started off copying Superman and Wonder Woman and eventually degraded down to mere Batman and Batgirl.)
MattPetersen
08/07/2010, 13:27
Yes! We must all lobby for Apache Chief and Black Vulcan clix!!
The Power of Electricity.........In My Pants!
has anyone sent this pic via PM to Carlos?? im surprised he hasn't said something in here
Surfer13
08/07/2010, 13:52
has anyone sent this pic via PM to Carlos?? im surprised he hasn't said something in here
He found it in the thread that Typhon started and linked to the homepage.
No fair! My thread was first! Just because he runs the site he thinks he is special! :p ;)
I mentioned to him that maybe he could merge the threads, but obviously, as of this posting, it hasn't happened yet.
6mhbxlz_wrI
I Do hope they have a gopher moat ability.
Was...was that a real episode? :eek:
yes!
loving these sneak peeks.
really cool idea to reveal them as clear mystery sculpts!
gonna be a cool set!
rwint1968
08/07/2010, 14:05
Wonder Twin powers ACTIVATE!!! Love it.
:cool:
He found it in the thread that Typhon started and linked to the homepage.
No fair! My thread was first! Just because he runs the site he thinks he is special! :p ;)
I mentioned to him that maybe he could merge the threads, but obviously, as of this posting, it hasn't happened yet.
i really hate that they are moving threads to the home page and not having the home page link to general...i miss so much by not going to the first page.
and i agree yours should have been linked to the front page but hey what can you do the owner can do what ever the heck they want :ermm:
CarlosMucha
08/07/2010, 14:44
Where is he? Or did he die of a heart attack already :p?
That's pretty cool, I must say. NECA is really going all out with this game. It gives hope that everyone can get their favorite character, no matter how obscure. Awesome sauce :cool:
I'm here! I was posing my reaction in the other thread!
This is AWESOME out of words and out of this World!!!! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Was...was that a real episode? :eek:
No. It's one of the joke mini episodes that Cartoon Network often shows.
thebigZZZZZ
08/07/2010, 15:33
geez...what kind of power does Carlo have on those WK/Neca people?!?!?! he was able to get what he wants....while none of us able to get what we want! Carlos, spill the beans! :mad::laugh::laugh:
geez...what kind of power does Carlo have on those WK/Neca people?!?!?! he was able to get what he wants....while none of us able to get what we want! Carlos, spill the beans! :mad::laugh::laugh:
Clearly has incriminating pictures. Those wild Neca/Wizkids parties.
Superclone
08/07/2010, 17:41
I must admit I'm surprised that they managed to get the licensing for this given that WB has been pretty stingy in the past with non-comic properties appearing in Clix.
Well good on em. I won't play them even though I was a child of that era, but I'm really happy for Carlos.
I must admit I'm surprised that they managed to get the licensing for this given that WB has been pretty stingy in the past with non-comic properties appearing in Clix.
While part of it may be NECA being well-practiced in securing licensing for other media properties I think it mostly comes down to wholesale kicking down of barriers inside of Warner/DC as they're trying to catch up to at least where they perceive Marvel to be, especially now that Marvel's a division of Disney.
Well good on em. I won't play them even though I was a child of that era, but I'm really happy for Carlos. Same here, save that I'm from... half a generation earlier, so Wonder Twins (and the whole Super Friends deal) has no nostalgic hold on me whatsoever. Should I pull something like that it'll be an easy sell-off providing there's a market for it.
Hatut Zeraze
08/07/2010, 19:27
I'm trying to think of how many characters I want in Web of Spider-Man equal to or more than I want the Wonder Twins.....
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Groot and Noh-Varr. That's it. J. Jonah Jameson comes close.
I'm trying to think of how many characters I want in Web of Spider-Man equal to or more than I want the Wonder Twins.....
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Groot and Noh-Varr. That's it. J. Jonah Jameson comes close.
That's why it's such a big, diverse universe. I honestly can't think of any piece in WoS that I'd want less than the Wonder Twins. I'd have to know where the Twins' rarity comes in, I suppose, as trade possibilities could see them looking briefly more interesting to me.
vampricyoda
08/07/2010, 19:45
If they have a special power it's gotta be something to do with Aquatic. . .
BudPalmer
08/07/2010, 19:53
Has Carlos lost his mind yet?
Also what's the other blue sculpt on the shelf below? It looks like it has a bird on it. Could it be a new Lantern? (I can't think of many DC characters with birds)
Has Carlos lost his mind yet?
Also what's the other blue sculpt on the shelf below? It looks like it has a bird on it. Could it be a new Lantern? (I can't think of many DC characters with birds)
Might be the prototype of Superman with the bird on his arm.
BudPalmer
08/07/2010, 19:59
That doesn't look like an eagle. :noid:
But I think you might be right.
That doesn't looks like an eagle. :noid:
lol..i didn't know it really looked like anything, but touche' I guess.
Actually. It's definitely Superman...the shield is also visible.
happyoptimistic88
08/07/2010, 20:20
From the Twitter feed.
And here they are (http://yfrog.com/b535ihj).
Nice, Wonder Twins to the rescue!
adam1der
08/07/2010, 20:59
This will be the first duo fig that I will ever want to play on a regular basis. I have almost every duo and don't play any of them because frankly, I never cared for duos, until now! I wonder since "SuperFriends" isn't a keyword, will they have Teen, Animal, and Young Justice/ Extreme Justice?
Hey, Carlos! If you get two of them then, you could do a minor repaint of one to be like their evil versions from Hall of Evil ep! :classic:
SimonMoon5
08/07/2010, 21:14
I must admit I'm surprised that they managed to get the licensing for this given that WB has been pretty stingy in the past with non-comic properties appearing in Clix.
As I keep trying to tell people, they were in the comics. They were in a *lot* of comics. And apparently, I'm the only one who ever read those comics, which is a shame because the Wonder Twins from the 70s comics would kick the ### of the cartoon Wonder Twins.
*sigh*
CarlosMucha
08/07/2010, 21:46
This will be the first duo fig that I will ever want to play on a regular basis. I have almost every duo and don't play any of them because frankly, I never cared for duos, until now! I wonder since "SuperFriends" isn't a keyword, will they have Teen, Animal, and Young Justice/ Extreme Justice?
Hey, Carlos! If you get two of them then, you could do a minor repaint of one to be like their evil versions from Hall of Evil ep! :classic:
I don't remember that episode, but is not that the episode were Gleek have a dild#?
rorschach_42
08/07/2010, 21:47
If they were in Superfriends comics, it doesn't count. They would still be property of Hanna-Barbera. Regardless, they have appeared in standard DC continuity before.
Gentlegamer
08/07/2010, 22:01
I don't remember that episode, but is not that the episode were Gleek have a dildo?That's our Carlos! *cue sitcom canned laughter*
:laugh:
CarlosMucha
08/07/2010, 22:14
That's our Carlos! *cue sitcom canned laughter*
:laugh:
aha, you can't believe me? :mad: I found it!
PROVE!:
(From World's Greatest Super Friends Universe Of Evil 2 of 2)
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/evilgleek.jpg/
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Superman Green
08/07/2010, 22:52
aha, you can't believe me? :mad: I found it!
PROVE!:
(From World's Greatest Super Friends Universe Of Evil 2 of 2)
http://img839.imageshack.us/i/evilgleek.jpg/
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OMG! It's Nightcrawler's evil mutant lovechild! He's even got WoS Nightcrawler's tail! :eek:
CarlosMucha
08/07/2010, 23:16
and what if we have the Hall of Justice as the Map of the set?? :grin:
He looks like a Yellow Clawed Japanese Villain.
CarlosMucha
08/07/2010, 23:49
In Celebration for the Wonder Twins on Clix I will share with you all the FIRST comic were I "meet" them!
(But I will put the english version instead of the spanish version :p )
http://img52.imageshack.us/gal.php?g=superfriends00701.jpg
(you can click twice on every page to see the page in full size :) )
Here you have it!
:grin:
(copyng this on every Wonder Twins thread. :p)
Surfer13
08/08/2010, 02:16
i really hate that they are moving threads to the home page and not having the home page link to general...i miss so much by not going to the first page.
and i agree yours should have been linked to the front page but hey what can you do the owner can do what ever the heck they want :ermm:
Ah, I was just joking.
I was surprised that I actually posted first. Every other time I come across something that I hadn't noticed the last time I was here, when I get here someone else has already put it up.
I am just glad that I was actually able to 'break' a story of some type. Maybe not Earth-shattering, but it's good to 'give back', and while I don't have much money to give, I can try to contribute in other ways. :cool:
michiganj24
08/08/2010, 04:49
Its 75th you have got to think bigger Carlos
Hall of Justice on one side
Legion of Doom swamp base on the reverse
and what if we have the Hall of Justice as the Map of the set?? :grin:
CarlosMucha
08/08/2010, 05:19
That would be great!
Also, another Wonderfull Wonder Twins image for all:
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/album.php?albumid=38&pictureid=11346
:p
adam1der
08/08/2010, 05:45
I don't remember that episode, but is not that the episode were Gleek have a dild#?
Yeppers!! Robin had a mustache, Aquaman an eye patch, and Superman had black rings around his eyes. In fact, their Hall of Evil had Satan's face on it and their Superman had beaten the Super Friends by himself. :classic:
Awesome News! Now I want to see Apache Chief, Samurai, Black Vulcan and the often overlooked El Dorado
Yes, we need figures of characters that only existed for the sake of tokenism.
This is a period of DC history, like Batman in outer space, that is best left ignored until it fades from the public memory.
I started to severly dislike "Superfriends" when I was still a kid. The show is/was just terrible.
Everyone take a little break and sit down with the JLU episode "Ultimatum" or "Panic in the Sky" for a good example of what should be done with these characters.
Yes, we need figures of characters that only existed for the sake of tokenism.
This is a period of DC history, like Batman in outer space, that is best left ignored until it fades from the public memory.
I started to severly dislike "Superfriends" when I was still a kid. The show is/was just terrible.
Everyone take a little break and sit down with the JLU episode "Ultimatum" or "Panic in the Sky" for a good example of what should be done with these characters.
You mean updates?
yeah having token heroes isn't the best Idea though I do like Apache Chief.
HOWEVER I'd also like to have Mantiou Raven...Just saying. I want to fill out my proud native American Warrior team.
You mean updates?
Huh, wha? I don't get this.
Gentlegamer
08/08/2010, 10:05
Yes, we need figures of characters that only existed for the sake of tokenism.
This is a period of DC history, like Batman in outer space, that is best left ignored until it fades from the public memory.
I started to severly dislike "Superfriends" when I was still a kid. The show is/was just terrible.
Everyone take a little break and sit down with the JLU episode "Ultimatum" or "Panic in the Sky" for a good example of what should be done with these characters.Light hearted fantasy and comics that don't take themselves too seriously is ok in my book. ;)
Light hearted fantasy and comics that don't take themselves too seriously is ok in my book. ;)
Same.
Gimme Adam West's Batman, Brave and the Bold (TV Show), and Superfriends anyday.
Over the mehtastic stuff that passes for quality comics now adays.
Huh, wha? I don't get this.
The Ultimen group. You know in JLU> THey were updates to the Super Friends.
Light hearted fantasy and comics that don't take themselves too seriously is ok in my book. ;)
Light hearted fantasy and comics that don't take themselves too seriously is ok in my book, too.
I LOVE The Tick and Freakazoid and I wish there was some chance of us getting Clix of them EVER!
But those shows were intended to be light hearted and goofy in the first place.
I also LOVE Formerly Known as the Justice League and I Can’t Believe It’s Not the Justice League! Those books are fun while MAKING fun of "Superfriends" every chance they get because "Superfriends" deserves it.
The people who worked on that show weren't being intentionally lighthearted. They pandered to children because they thought children were idiots. They made up "Superpowers" for the characters as they went along. And the "dialogue" is painful; especially the outloud-internal monologue as characters explain what they are doing with their "Superpowers" as they do them. As a result, the show is insipid and corny.
Some people may have warm feelings in their heart for the show from childhood memories. I have warm feelings for Land of the Lost from when I was a kid. Now, I can't make it through and episode. Hell, I can't make it through TEN MINUTES. When something sucks; it sucks. It shouldn't matter that at one point in our lives we were undeveloped enough to like it.
The Ultimen group. You know in JLU> THey were updates to the Super Friends.
I wouldn't consider them "updates".
They were parody. If you listen to the commentary on the episode, you'll understand better what the show's creators were doing.
And the Panic in the Sky episode was just and excuse to show us JLU members beating the ever-living-SNOT out of these characters.
The DCAU, from BTAS to JLU, is loaded with all kinds of in-jokes. Many of them are uncomplementary of many of the decisions that DC has made over the years.
SimonMoon5
08/08/2010, 11:05
The people who worked on that show weren't being intentionally lighthearted. They pandered to children because they thought children were idiots. They made up "Superpowers" for the characters as they went along. And the "dialogue" is painful; especially the outloud-internal monologue as characters explain what they are doing with their "Superpowers" as they do them. As a result, the show is insipid and corny.
Yes, it is terrible by modern standards. But as a child at the time, I too loved it because it was the *best* superhero cartoon that had been produced up to that time. The main characters had the powers and abilities that they actually had in the comics. And more guest stars started to show up (Atom, Green Arrow, etc), making it feel more and more like the comics. And the heroes even got to fight against their real comic-book opponents (even if Mr. Mxyzptlk's name was mispronounced). Cartoons had never been this good before.
And, yeah, it was still corny garabage. And parts of it *were* lighthearted on purpose. Not the whole story, but the Marvin & Wendy or Zan & Jayna parts were there only for kid-identification and comic relief.
And, yeah, it was still corny garabage. And parts of it *were* lighthearted on purpose. Not the whole story, but the Marvin & Wendy or Zan & Jayna parts were there only for kid-identification and comic relief.
I agree with most of what you are saying here.
But I hold forth, again, that there's a difference between lighthearted and pandering.
Perfect example: Star Wars
The original release in '77 had lighthearted moments. The Special Ed version has pandering moments.
The first two films had lighthearted moments and even some comic relief. The Phantom Menace had Jar Jar.
The Wonder Twins and ESPECIALLY Wendy and Marvin are directly analogous to Jar Jar.
The Special Editions are better versions of the films.
And there's nothing wrong with Jar Jar Binks. He's a fantastic character.
The Special Editions are better versions of the films.
And there's nothing wrong with Jar Jar Binks. He's a fantastic character.
Are you familiar with the works of Shan Yu?
I now know everything I need to know about every conversation we won't have in the future, so; thanks for that.
Are you familiar with the works of Shan Yu?
I now know everything I need to know about every conversation we won't have in the future, so; thanks for that.
Yeah, he's the villain from Mulan. :D
Ahhh... gotta love Star Wars fans who placed the original corny films on a pedestal. Disregarding they were just as hokey and cheesy as the Prequels.
Frankly the Prequels are better films. The plots, the characters, the worlds.
Yeah, he's the villain from Mulan. :D
Ahhh... gotta love Star Wars fans who placed the original corny films on a pedestal. Disregarding they were just as hokey and cheesy as the Prequels.
Frankly the Prequels are better films. The plots, the characters, the worlds.
Yeah, see? This is me not getting dragged into this because we've already gone pretty far afield from the topic, here, and you're making assumptions that I dont' have time to unexplain to you.
And you've proven futher that I just can't have rational exchange of ideas with you.
Yeah, see? This is me not getting dragged into this because we've already gone pretty far afield from the topic, here, and you're making assumptions that I dont' have time to unexplain to you.
And you've proven futher that I just can't have rational exchange of ideas with you.
Sure we can.
It's called having a difference of opinion. Happens all the time.
Surfer13
08/08/2010, 12:26
That is why I do not try to revisit too much of my childhood.
I have watched movies that I thought were neat when I was younger. The best thing I can say about many of them after a second viewing as an adult is that I thought that they were neat when I was younger.
So I avoid going back to things, because my memory of them is better than the reality of them can ever be. Few are the things that will hold that same charm that they had when I was a kid.
So I remember that the Super-Friends was a fun show, and leave it at that. I hope that the Wonder Twins will be a fun piece.
As for the rest of the cast... I am not in favor.
If the purpose of the set is to cover the highlights of DC comics history, as well as give us, apparently, characters from the Blackest Night and Brightest Day storylines, then we can call the Super-Friends covered, and it is time to move on.
Yeah, most of us know Apache Chief from the Super-Friends, but I do not think that the majority of people care about him from Super-Friends. They identify with him from Harvey Birdman. Same with Black Vulcan. Say the name Apache Chief and people do not think of a Giant-Man type of character, they think of a character that spilled coffee on his lap and now he 'can't grow' *wink, wink*.
DC should leave those characters behind. There are simply more and better options for characters than these, "minorities" or otherwise.
I'd rather see Apache Chief over characters like Superman and Batman.
Those characters are dull. It's the minor characters who are always more interesting, at least in DC's case. As they're willing to take more chances with them and move them in interesting directions. Where as Supes and Bats are boring.
CarlosMucha
08/08/2010, 12:44
Light hearted fantasy and comics that don't take themselves too seriously is ok in my book, too.
I LOVE The Tick and Freakazoid and I wish there was some chance of us getting Clix of them EVER!
But those shows were intended to be light hearted and goofy in the first place.
I also LOVE Formerly Known as the Justice League and I Can’t Believe It’s Not the Justice League! Those books are fun while MAKING fun of "Superfriends" every chance they get because "Superfriends" deserves it.
The people who worked on that show weren't being intentionally lighthearted. They pandered to children because they thought children were idiots. They made up "Superpowers" for the characters as they went along. And the "dialogue" is painful; especially the outloud-internal monologue as characters explain what they are doing with their "Superpowers" as they do them. As a result, the show is insipid and corny.
Some people may have warm feelings in their heart for the show from childhood memories. I have warm feelings for Land of the Lost from when I was a kid. Now, I can't make it through and episode. Hell, I can't make it through TEN MINUTES. When something sucks; it sucks. It shouldn't matter that at one point in our lives we were undeveloped enough to like it.
They dont make fun of the Superfriends, they make an homage to the Superfriends. Yea, you are right that The Superfriends are in the heart and minds of so many people. They send a good sign and message to the 70's kids and they were a fun action cartoon in the 80s that make many remember and dream about their chidhood beteen cookies, milk chocolate and parents' love, and theres is something bad in Love a show like this because of that?. Also, there is more, a lot more than that..
The Superfriends is the "Robin" of the comic fans because this cartoon balance our good spirit and soul as comic fans, because without the Superfriends the comic fans would br fans of only hard vigilantes and dark stories.
Without the Superfriends Alex Toth will not be who he was, Without the Superfriends Alex Roos would never had been a happy kid who become a visionary sharing his vision mix of reality, fantasy and legend.
Without the Superfriends the Super Powers action figures would not have existed and Jose Luis Garcia Lopez Style Guide would not have be so massive and watched for so many people in the World.
Without the Superfriends Olivia Munn would not had been a superhero geek a d maybe we would never see her try to eat a sausage on cam. :p
Without the Superfriends the awesome stories in the JLA by Bruce Timm would not have existed, no Legion of Doom, no nothing.
The Superfriends made many childrens become comic book fans and this cartoon is more know for even people in the entery World that maybe had never hold a comic in their hands.
The World would be a darker place in the heart of many childrens that are now adults, Im absolute sure that the World would had been a really darker place without the World Greatest SuperFriends.
And If you say that you can't make it through and episode then you had never watched episodes like "The Fear" or "The Dead of Superman".
Hatut Zeraze
08/08/2010, 12:49
Yes, we need figures of characters that only existed for the sake of tokenism.
This is a period of DC history, like Batman in outer space, that is best left ignored until it fades from the public memory.
I started to severly dislike "Superfriends" when I was still a kid. The show is/was just terrible.
Everyone take a little break and sit down with the JLU episode "Ultimatum" or "Panic in the Sky" for a good example of what should be done with these characters.
1. I don't believe that rejecting characters based on having tokenism-related origins is a good policy. Strong arguments can likely be made that many of today's minority characters had similar origins, but later characterization helped them rise above their awkward introductions.
2. Morrison's Batman comics are simply the latest examples of how a creative mind, instead of ignoring awkward periods of DC history, can find golden elements in that history and modernize them in a way that is satisfying to a modern audience. The Black Casebook, Dr. Hurt, the Batman of Zur En Arrh, and the Club of Heroes all have their roots in that exact period of Batman history you recommend we ignore. As a reader, I am extremely glad Morrison didn't ignore them.
3. I'm sorry you don't like Superfriends. While I wouldn't buy them or watch them regularly, I certainly remember them with fondness. There was truly nothing else like that show at the time. It was a time when reading comic books or liking superheroes wasn't cool at all, and if the best we could get was a goofy, regularly awkward kids show, it was still giant to me and many others. The JLU cartoon seems a lot more like a love letter to Superfriends than a nose-in-the-air repudiation of that show.
Gentlegamer
08/08/2010, 13:14
Light hearted fantasy and comics that don't take themselves too seriously is ok in my book, too.
I LOVE The Tick and Freakazoid and I wish there was some chance of us getting Clix of them EVER!
But those shows were intended to be light hearted and goofy in the first place.
I also LOVE Formerly Known as the Justice League and I Can’t Believe It’s Not the Justice League! Those books are fun while MAKING fun of "Superfriends" every chance they get because "Superfriends" deserves it.
The people who worked on that show weren't being intentionally lighthearted. They pandered to children because they thought children were idiots. They made up "Superpowers" for the characters as they went along. And the "dialogue" is painful; especially the outloud-internal monologue as characters explain what they are doing with their "Superpowers" as they do them. As a result, the show is insipid and corny.
Some people may have warm feelings in their heart for the show from childhood memories. I have warm feelings for Land of the Lost from when I was a kid. Now, I can't make it through and episode. Hell, I can't make it through TEN MINUTES. When something sucks; it sucks. It shouldn't matter that at one point in our lives we were undeveloped enough to like it.
I understand. I guess the John Waters part of my humor finds that stuff amusing. ;)
Gentlegamer
08/08/2010, 13:16
Same.
Gimme Adam West's Batman, Brave and the Bold (TV Show), and Superfriends anyday.
Over the mehtastic stuff that passes for quality comics now adays.You and I think alike. :)
The Special Editions are better versions of the films.
And there's nothing wrong with Jar Jar Binks. He's a fantastic character.Disregard my earlier statement. :confused:
You and I think alike. :)
Disregard my earlier statement. :confused:
Makes you reasses whether or not you SHOULD like Adam West's Batman, Batman: The Brave and the Bold, and Superfriends, now; dunnit?
They dont make fun of the Superfriends, they make an homage to the Superfriends.
No, dude, they are totally making fun of them. There are lines in the espisode that make fun of them if you know what to look for. Listen to the commentary. They are making fun of the show. It was/is corny.
Without the Superfriends the awesome stories in the JLA by Bruce Timm would not have existed, no Legion of Doom, no nothing.
See, now? People use this kind of arguement all the time and it makes no sense.
World War I sucked, right? But one could argue that without it, there would have been no World War II, and without that, no Cold War War, and without that no Space Race and without that no Internet. BUT WORLD WAR I STILL SUCKED RIGHT?????
1. I don't believe that rejecting characters based on having tokenism-related origins is a good policy. Strong arguments can likely be made that many of today's minority characters had similar origins, but later characterization helped them rise above their awkward introductions.
2. Morrison's Batman comics are simply the latest examples of how a creative mind, instead of ignoring awkward periods of DC history, can find golden elements in that history and modernize them in a way that is satisfying to a modern audience. The Black Casebook, Dr. Hurt, the Batman of Zur En Arrh, and the Club of Heroes all have their roots in that exact period of Batman history you recommend we ignore. As a reader, I am extremely glad Morrison didn't ignore them.
3. I'm sorry you don't like Superfriends. While I wouldn't buy them or watch them regularly, I certainly remember them with fondness. There was truly nothing else like that show at the time. It was a time when reading comic books or liking superheroes wasn't cool at all, and if the best we could get was a goofy, regularly awkward kids show, it was still giant to me and many others. The JLU cartoon seems a lot more like a love letter to Superfriends than a nose-in-the-air repudiation of that show.
Heck, yeah! If you manage to do something good with a lame character that's GREAT. Again, I hold up JLU as a great example of this. But that's what I like about the way they did it. They basically say "Okay, I'll validate this: Batmite existed: He was a toy made by a genius that broke. Ace existed: He's Bruce's dog when he's old. These tokenism characters existed: They were a marketing ploy by a corrupt, greedy man, serving a corrupt government agency in an effort to discredit the League.
That's great! REDEEM these characters from their inane origins. But don't fawn over their original stories and characterization out of sentimenatality.
And I don't think that my assessment or that of the creators of the DCAU amounts to a nose-in-the-air repudiation.
If you step in dog excrement, after cleaning it off your bare foot, if you go walking barefoot in the grass, in the backyard of someone with a dog, you'll be on the lookout for steaming piles. If you encounter some, your vibe isn't going to be *as Frasier* "I'm WAY too high class to step in that." Your vibe will be a little bit more like, "Holy (Expletive)!! Dog (Expletive)!!!!!" And you'll just avoid it!
I wouldn't consider them "updates".
They were parody. If you listen to the commentary on the episode, you'll understand better what the show's creators were doing.
And the Panic in the Sky episode was just and excuse to show us JLU members beating the ever-living-SNOT out of these characters.
The DCAU, from BTAS to JLU, is loaded with all kinds of in-jokes. Many of them are uncomplementary of many of the decisions that DC has made over the years.
Oh Duh. Thank you right.
Light hearted fantasy and comics that don't take themselves too seriously is ok in my book, too.
I LOVE The Tick and Freakazoid and I wish there was some chance of us getting Clix of them EVER!
But those shows were intended to be light hearted and goofy in the first place.
I also LOVE Formerly Known as the Justice League and I Can’t Believe It’s Not the Justice League! Those books are fun while MAKING fun of "Superfriends" every chance they get because "Superfriends" deserves it.
The people who worked on that show weren't being intentionally lighthearted. They pandered to children because they thought children were idiots. They made up "Superpowers" for the characters as they went along. And the "dialogue" is painful; especially the outloud-internal monologue as characters explain what they are doing with their "Superpowers" as they do them. As a result, the show is insipid and corny.
Some people may have warm feelings in their heart for the show from childhood memories. I have warm feelings for Land of the Lost from when I was a kid. Now, I can't make it through and episode. Hell, I can't make it through TEN MINUTES. When something sucks; it sucks. It shouldn't matter that at one point in our lives we were undeveloped enough to like it.
Ahhh Superbuddies FOREVER!!!
ACTUALLY now that you mention it re-watching the Ultimatum Episode I realize that they had two members of the Legion of Doom Fighting Wonder Woman: Giganta and Bizarro
Gentlegamer
08/08/2010, 14:49
I'd rather see Apache Chief over characters like Superman and Batman.
Those characters are dull. It's the minor characters who are always more interesting, at least in DC's case. As they're willing to take more chances with them and move them in interesting directions. Where as Supes and Bats are boring.
Then you should love the Earth-2 Superman and Batman. ;)
Oh Duh. Thank you right.
Ahhh Superbuddies FOREVER!!!
ACTUALLY now that you mention it re-watching the Ultimatum Episode I realize that they had two members of the Legion of Doom Fighting Wonder Woman: Giganta and Bizarro
Okay, I don't remember this.
So, here I am rewatching this.
"The New Bermuda platform is under attack. If it collapses, we're gonna have the worst oil spill in history on our hands."
Considering current events; that's hilarious.
"Not them again."
"I think the word is: corny."
"Oh, for crying out loud."
"But they're all in the early stages of failure. The progression will be painful."
"Listen to yourself; you're not making any sense."
"Lights out, Old Chum."
I'm thinking the part where Aquaman backhands one of the Wonder Twins is pretty telling.
And there's a lone from early in the episode about the Ultimen's "new powers" that's a crack about how, in "Superfriends", all the characters end up having new, unexplained powers.
I remember the part with Giganta, now, of course. I just wasn't associating it with this episode.
Okay, I don't remember this.
So, here I am rewatching this.
"The New Bermuda platform is under attack. If it collapses, we're gonna have the worst oil spill in history on our hands."
Considering current events; that's hilarious.
"Not them again."
"I think the word is: corny."
"Oh, for crying out loud."
"But they're all in the early stages of failure. The progression will be painful."
"Listen to yourself; you're not making any sense."
"Lights out, Old Chum."
I'm thinking the part where Aquaman backhands one of the Wonder Twins is pretty telling.
And there's a lone from early in the episode about the Ultimen's "new powers" that's a crack about how, in "Superfriends", all the characters end up having new, unexplained powers.
I remember the part with Giganta, now, of course. I just wasn't associating it with this episode.
Oh yeah sorry. Since I wasn't raised on SuperFriends My First Thought when I think of them is "Legion of Doom: Grundy Want pants Too"
And that just stuck out.
Oh God yeah that Aquaman Scene was great. I'm glad Timm Decided to represent him as the 90s badass he was as opposed to...the Feminine kind of girly one we get in all parodies of the Super Friends.
"That's Sea-MAN"
Oh yeah sorry. Since I wasn't raised on SuperFriends My First Thought when I think of them is "Legion of Doom: Grundy Want pants Too"
And that just stuck out.
Oh God yeah that Aquaman Scene was great. I'm glad Timm Decided to represent him as the 90s badass he was as opposed to...the Feminine kind of girly one we get in all parodies of the Super Friends.
"That's Sea-MAN"
Have you seen the one with the drag race? My favorite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSM9Lj-M3mg
Oh God. that was HIlarious!!!!
was it me or did that look like the Groovy Gang Minus Shaggy and Scooby?
Oh God. that was HIlarious!!!!
was it me or did that look like the Groovy Gang Minus Shaggy and Scooby?
And, oddly, I remain unrepped.
Click on the other ones. There were a whole slew of them back in the early days of CN.
There's even one without the Twins, but including The Power Puff Girls.
Yes, it is terrible by modern standards. But as a child at the time, I too loved it because it was the *best* superhero cartoon that had been produced up to that time.
Well, the Superfriends was:
Better than the Filmation garbage from the sixties.
Improved over the course of it's existence. That is, the Wonder Twins setup was better than the Wendy and Marvin years, and Challenge of the Superfriends was better than that...
Cartoons of that era were basically horrible. Drowned by "moralists" trying to "protect" kids from, you know, life. The Super Friends was better than most of the garbage being aired at the time, but still stuck in the morass that produced it.
But it was entirely inferior to Battle of the Planets. There, I said it.
And, yeah, it was still corny garabage. And parts of it *were* lighthearted on purpose. Not the whole story, but the Marvin & Wendy or Zan & Jayna parts were there only for kid-identification and comic relief.
I never understood this. Maybe I'll make a poll. Does anyone, as a kid, remember identifying with the kid-identification characters in anything? EVER? I didn't. When I played Superfriends with the neighborhood kids, we fought over who would play Superman and Batman, and who would be stuck with Aquaman and the Wonder Twins. I've hated (or at least disliked) every child-identification character I've ever encountered, even when I was the age-group supposedly being aimed at. Robin? Disliked when I was a kid, but tolerated. (He was better when he got away from Batman. I liked the Robin/Batgirl team ups in Batman Family, for instance.) Wonder Twins? I kept hoping they'd get tromped on by one of the giant monsters. I couldn't stand the robots in Battle of the Planets either. Wesley Crusher and the smarmy kid from Sea Quest made me want to chew on my own teeth.
Did anyone actually identify with these characters? Are they willing to admit it after my tirade? : - )
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I agree with most of what you are saying here.
But I hold forth, again, that there's a difference between lighthearted and pandering.
Perfect example: Star Wars
The original release in '77 had lighthearted moments. The Special Ed version has pandering moments.
The first two films had lighthearted moments and even some comic relief. The Phantom Menace had Jar Jar.
The Wonder Twins and ESPECIALLY Wendy and Marvin are directly analogous to Jar Jar.
I think the difference is that the original three (well, two) Star Wars films took themselves seriously in their own context. The humor came from character interactions for the most part.
While the special editions did improve on some things (mostly parts where the original films were cheesy through lack of technology), they added a bunch of stupid humor moments which didn't fit.
There's much in the latter trilogy that's good, of course, but Jar Jar fails to provide the character interaction humor that the droids did in the first one.
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No, dude, they are totally making fun of them. There are lines in the espisode that make fun of them if you know what to look for. Listen to the commentary. They are making fun of the show. It was/is corny.
I haven't seen the commentary, but I thought that was pretty obvious. There's a lot to make fun of.
World War I sucked, right? But one could argue that without it, there would have been no World War II, and without that, no Cold War War, and without that no Space Race and without that no Internet. BUT WORLD WAR I STILL SUCKED RIGHT?????
I don't get this kind of argument. We only know one course of events. Things occurred the way that they did and didn't occur in some other fashion. So, what? What does this tell us? Without WWI, II, and the cold war, nobody would have ever thought a global computer network was a good idea? Maybe if we hadn't been in a space RACE, things could have been done more carefully, without all the loss of life.
The argument amounts to, "If things had been different, they wouldn't be the same." Yeah. And, if they had been different, they might be better! Or not. Who knows? It's a null argument.
Well, the Superfriends was:
Better than the Filmation garbage from the sixties.
But it was entirely inferior to Battle of the Planets. There, I said it.
I never understood this. Maybe I'll make a poll. Does anyone, as a kid, remember identifying with the kid-identification characters in anything? EVER? I didn't. When I played Superfriends with the neighborhood kids, we fought over who would play Superman and Batman, and who would be stuck with Aquaman and the Wonder Twins. I've hated (or at least disliked) every child-identification character I've ever encountered, even when I was the age-group supposedly being aimed at. Robin? Disliked when I was a kid, but tolerated. (He was better when he got away from Batman. I liked the Robin/Batgirl team ups in Batman Family, for instance.) Wonder Twins? I kept hoping they'd get tromped on by one of the giant monsters. I couldn't stand the robots in Battle of the Planets either. Wesley Crusher and the smarmy kid from Sea Quest made me want to chew on my own teeth.
Did anyone actually identify with these characters? Are they willing to admit it after my tirade? : - )
So much with which to agree, so little time.
Batmite, ugh!
Battle of the Planets (Gatchaman) couldn't even be successfully ruined by the R2-D2 ripoff and his dog. Another great example of pandering to children.
But I am going to disagree a bit here. I totally wanted to be Wildboy from BigFoot and Wildboy. Am I the only one who watched THAT one?
Battle of the Planets was the first "superhero" cartoon in the US where the heroes were actually allowed to... FIGHT. Stunning!
And, yes, I have the entire Gatchaman DVD set.
I hope you're hate doesn't extend to teh Comic bat-mite....or the Wonderfully done version in Batman The Brave and the Bold
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Battle of the Planets was the first "superhero" cartoon in the US where the heroes were actually allowed to... FIGHT. Stunning!
And, yes, I have the entire Gatchaman DVD set.
*Jaw on floor*
The whole thing with Princess is hard to watch isn't it?
I hope you're hate doesn't extend to teh Comic bat-mite....or the Wonderfully done version in Batman The Brave and the Bold
Okay, I don't know where you're getting "hate".
I didn't use that word anywhere, now, did I?
No. I don't want to be found guilty of a Hate Crime and have the government prosecute me for what I'm thinking.
Anyway, thanks. That clip has prevented me from watching any more of BatB than I already have. Those are villians that need a reboot or just total retcon-erase.
And I just can't get past seeing Rex Qwon Do everytime "Batman" delivers a line:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKmUsVeKp1o
Okay, I don't know where you're getting "hate".
I didn't use that word anywhere, now, did I?
No. I don't want to be found guilty of a Hate Crime and have the government prosecute me for what I'm thinking.
Anyway, thanks. That clip has prevented me from watching any more of BatB than I already have. Those are villians that need a reboot or just total retcon-erase.
And I just can't get past seeing Rex Qwon Do everytime "Batman" delivers a line:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKmUsVeKp1o
WEll it's Meant to be over the top and Cheesy. I mean sure about half the episodes are ####, but one or two are hilarious.
Way better than Superhero Squad.
I mean in that episode that that clip is from, they havve Paul Dini and Bruce Timm make a Cameo with Dini in Drag as Harley Quinn.
tl;dr
At any rate, I think it's awesome and hilarious that they are in the set.
rorschach_42
08/09/2010, 15:33
That clip- and episode- is not indicitive of Brave and the Bold at all. That episode is a mostly comedic homage to old Warner Brothers cartoons and the cheesieness of the Silver Age. Other episodes are much more serious- at least, comparatively.
The Blue Beetle episode that deals with Ted Kord's death comes to mind on one stand out episode.
That clip- and episode- is not indicitive of Brave and the Bold at all. That episode is a mostly comedic homage to old Warner Brothers cartoons and the cheesieness of the Silver Age. Other episodes are much more serious- at least, comparatively.
The Blue Beetle episode that deals with Ted Kord's death comes to mind on one stand out episode.
eh Even then it had some comedic elements.
yeah that bat-mite episode referenced A LOT Of Stuff.
But I'd say the only straight up "Timm esque" Serious episode of Batman BatB Is "Chill in the Night". Man. That was so well done.
But I'd say that most of them are campy.
HMMM
That's what we need: The Wonder Twins Team Up with batman. Laughs to be had with all
rorschach_42
08/09/2010, 15:48
Oh, totally. I'm not arguing it ever goes straight into serious territory.
CarlosMucha
08/09/2010, 15:54
The Wonder Twins are so magic.
With only them in the Map, you made all the Justice League figures become the Super Friends :)
Btw, I'm SO Using that Superman Eagle for Jayna carryng Gleek carryng Zan in the bucket. :laugh:
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