Apocalypse!

[dolemite199]

My Xplosion cheat sheet has Apocolypse listed on it... sorry, my pineapple!

I am curious as to what super powers he will have. Some possible choices are listed below.

Speed Super Powers: ?
Attack Super Powers: Super Strength, Psychic Blast (not sure), and telekenesis.
Def Super Powers: Invulnerability, Tougness, and Regeneration.
Dmg Super Powers: Shape Change, Outwit, Perplex, and Support.

He is also able to fly by telekentically levitating himself.

Any thoughts or ideas on Apocalypse?

[Batman1983]

think 3 arrows w/ mind control, incap(&/or psycic blast), 3 damage w/ outwit, & 18-19 d w/ invul.

I hope they do him right

[justincredible]

i was kinda hoping for an Apocalypse big fig.

well Shape Shift i think might be one of his powers as well as Super Strength. maybe Regeneration too ? i remember a cartoon where he healed himself after being sliced by wolverine. i think.

[Xavier PhD]

definitely need some phasing along with energy shield after some invuln or imperv. also give him some battle fury somewhere to show him not being able to be mind controlled.

[KaiserSelroc]

He should be a big fig , I say he should have shape change, plasticity (he is a shapeshifter who can change his size, after all), super strength, two arrows, mind control, leadership and invulnerable giving way to toughness. He doesn't need incapacitate, there's already too many Marvel figs that have that ability.

When have you seen Apokalypse fly or use TK? I haven't.

[TalonMC]

I made a dial for a large-sized Apocalypse figure many months ago. Stats and pictures of him are on my site.

-MC

[dolemite199]

KaiserSelroc,

When have you seen Apokalypse fly or use TK? I haven't.

Apocalypse can levitatie him self telekeneticly. I cannot recall if he has actually levitated himslef in the comics. TK was a strech though. But it is very feesible for him to have that based on his mutant power of molecular rearrangement. I got this information from marveldirectory.com under the Apocalypse BIO.

Batman1983,

think 3 arrows w/ mind control, incap(&/or psycic blast), 3 damage w/ outwit, & 18-19 d w/ invul.

I agree with the psychic blast, but not the mind control. Apocalypse is not a telepath. He can use his psionic abilities to attack peoples minds directly. I could be wrong on this. I have not read an X-men comic in over ten years.

Xavier PhD,

definitely need some phasing

I never thought about that. Good one!

Everyone,

The problem Wizkids may have with designing him is that he has a veriety of effects that he can duplicate because of his mutant power. Another problem is that Shape Change, Outwit, Perplex, and Support are all Dmg. super powers. This could cause him to look like Dr. Strange with all of the super powers he has.

[Doctor Strange]

Im guessing
8 range
1 arrow
no flight
no team
consistantly high stats with a rainbow of power which include:

Def. Powers:
Invulnerability-obvious
Regeneration-Ditto

Attack powers:
Steal energy- while apocolypse can not truly "steal energy" this power could represent when his regeneration is starting to kick in, it's still not truly fully active, he will get this first and then get regeneration later on in his dial.
Psychic blast- He simply is great at bypasing his opponents defenses.
Superstrength-He's amazingly strong

Damage powers:
Outwit- Apocalypse is nutorious for making peoples power useless either through technology or superior planning. He hasn't been around since the age of great Egypt for nothing.
Shape Change- assuming they bring this over for mistique.

Movement:
Plasticity- pretty obvious
Phasing-late in the dial
flury-maby for a click or two for when he turns his arms into hammers.. this would be fun with steal energy!

I am glad he's not "supersized" he rarely ever did that in the comic book. I have heard that he does this all the time in the cartoon and video games and I think thats where the "big figure" argument is really coming from. I've seen Thor grow to gigantic size in a fight against Surter in the comics. He shouldn't have a big figure either ;)

[KaiserSelroc]

He has to have mind control! Did you actually think Archangel, Wolverine, Hulk and the rest volunteered to be his horsemen? Even if you ignore that, he's still a master strategist and manipulator, he should get MC for the same reason Darkseid and Elektra: Assassin got it.

[Xavier PhD]

Originally posted by KaiserSelroc
He has to have mind control! Did you actually think Archangel, Wolverine, Hulk and the rest volunteered to be his horsemen? Even if you ignore that, he's still a master strategist and manipulator, he should get MC for the same reason Darkseid and Elektra: Assassin got it.

no i think he shouldn't... although i think that is a good argument for giving apocalypse MASTERMIND

[Untouchable]

I say he should have some mind control with phasing late down his dial, Super strength and psychic blast maybe energy explosion on his lat couple of clicks, Invulnability with either a 20 or 19 defense to start and mostly shape change but maybe some outwit and perplex with him.He should also have only one thing of KO since it isn't easy to kill him.Just m opinion. :-)

[Captain Spoon]

Perplex, give the all mighty apocalypse perplex! This would represent this ability to change when he needs it to most, would it be his size, or changing his form to asset the situation...

-SPOON!-

[Melkoloran]

I think few characters deserve Perplex more than Apocaypse.

[Aron]

Apocalypse is a hard character to properly give powers to....

if he truly can "copy" powers as someone suggested, this is another arguement for a new "copy power" ability

But let's see

Plasticity near the end of his dial
Stealth and or phasing?

Regen

8 - 10 range

Invuln for a ton of clicks, not as many as thanos, but still a large number, with a lot of clix of health

psy blast, at least 3 damage - possibly giving way to super strength

Very high defense 19 or 20 (not so much because he's hard to hit, but because he's hard to cripple in one hit)

Perplex or outwit, shape change or super senses later on the dial? Incap when he's at his weakest

EE for one click?

[Batman1983]

Apocalypse:

Range: 10
arrows: 2-3
Team: none

Speed:
10, 10, 9, (mind control), 9, 9, 8, 8, (plasticity), 7,7,6 (???)

Att:
13, 12, 12, 11, 11, 12, 12, 10, 10, 9, (mix of PBlast, incap, EE)

Def:
19, 18, 17, 17, 16, (invul) 16, 15, 15, 14, 14, (regen)

Dam:
3, 3, (outwit), 3,2,2, (perplex), 2, 2, 2, 2, 2 (skrull dodge)

[Xavier PhD]

can someone point out what instance does he have mind control in the comics? please? if he does have this power... it would be cool, but from my knowledge he doesn't

[hievolutionary]

let's hope that apocalypse is up to par versus that unique elektra.it was a major buzz kill to see that she was more powerful than my homey darkseid,etc.etc.sooo here's to hoping they don't go and blow good ole 'poclypse.i have faith in the kidz they've made a hell of a game so far.:D

[Gorrack]

Ive had a hard time working on stats for Apocalypse myself as well. From my understanding, he has extreme access to vast technology, and has acheived the ability to time trivel, thus having access to even more new weapons. I believe this is how he polymorphs his body into new weapons and sizes. I do not believe that comes from any sort of inate ability. I very well could be wrong though. He not only has taken in his 4 horsemen, but I BELIEVE every now and than he requires a new host body, which is where the Mind Control aspect mostly applies. I would give him the following stats.

Range-10
Flight- MAYBE ( i have no idea..he does levitate...i probably would give him it actually )

Speed-8,8,8,7,7,6,6,6,5,5,4
Attack-13,13,12,12,12,11,10,9,9,8,7
Defense-18,18,17,17,16,16,15,15,13,13,13
Damage-4,4,3,3,3,3,3,2,2,2,2

Abilities
------------
Speed- Mind Control, clix 1-2
Plasticity- clix 3-8
Attack- Super Strength- clix 1-8
Defense- Invulnerability- clix 1-4
Toughness- clix 5-8
Regeneration- clix 9-11
Damage- Perplex- clix 1-6

I toyed with giving him Perplex down his dial...he truly does deserve it. But I know i would be flamed for doing so. Apocalypse is truly a man-beast. With the straight up ability to smash for 5 damage at 10 range with hard to break defenses and mind control, you can understand why the X Men rarely got the better of him and that he ended up basically dominating the future. Perplex fits him perfectly, more than all the other abilities. He is not able to outwit as well as he can perplex his enemies, and in the same time you mimic his alternating molecular structure perfectly. His shape changing is mimiced by this as well. Speaking of which, they need to make Shape Change a DECENT ability. With all the great damage abilities out there, i feel sorry for good characters who do shape change yet get shafted by this ability. Mystique was a favorite character who is going to be hosed by this ####py Ability that Id much ratehr see represented by a Stealth Perplex mix that really accurately describes what she does. I mean, blatantly, she deserves Perplex, POSSIBLY outwit, Shape Change, AND Leadership. But what will she get> Shape change. Yeah, sucks, dont it? :P

[ToadROCKS]

Apocalypse never has mind control, but that doesn't mean he is bad, to put in speed he'll have plasticity, and if they make it for marvel it will be for him,.......IMPERVIOUS!!!, shape change, and finally super strength definitely with a .......maybe......11 attack, hhmm well maybe this could be it so I hope they do a good job on this one, and please, no offense to Darkseid lovers, but please do not make him stand like Darkseid

[colossusfreak1]

Apoco's power is instant evolution. Thats how he gets the size and wepons. lets say he is fighting the X-men and think's 'I need to be 700feet high" at one point in time humans might evolve to be that high so he instantly evolves into a 700foot tall thing. This meens that Mind control would work cause he could evolve into a Psy.

[dolemite199]

colossusfreak1,

Apoco's power is instant evolution. Thats how he gets the size and wepons. lets say he is fighting the X-men and think's 'I need to be 700feet high" at one point in time humans might evolve to be that high so he instantly evolves into a 700foot tall thing. This meens that Mind control would work cause he could evolve into a Psy.

I beg to differ with you. Apocalypse does not have the power of instant evolution. His main mutant ability is augmenting his strength by transfering energy from outside sources into himself to increase his strength and density. If Apocalypse so choose to, he could become as strong as the Hulk at his peak strength. He is also able to change his molecular structure at the atomic level. Hench his shape changing and growth abilities. He can also use his mutant power to regenarate wounds that would kill normal, and some super powered, beings. He can levitate himself via telekenetic control. One of his most overlooked atributes is that he is a super-genius. Thus his ability to "outwit" or "perplex" his enemies. Because he can rearrange his molecular structure he can feesibly duplicate any physical based supper power. Apocalypse in now way, shape, or from use any psionic powers. He can build or research such technology to do so, but it is not his natural ability.

As for him needing host bodies, this is correct. It has never been stated why, but Apocalypse can sustain his lifespan beyond human and super human means. However, the bodies he usurps will eventually deteriorate. Thus the need to find a new host.

Hope this clears up any confusions.

[Thunderbolts]

Eh, I think the resident Outwitter of the Xplosion set is going to be Leader anyway, so let Poccy have Perplex across the whole dial, it's a great way to represent his ever shifting abilities. Factor in Invulnerability (later Regen) and Plasticity (later Phasing) and he'll be a real monster without even needing to fly.

Oh, and he's a strong candidate to be a MoD - sure, he never served under Doom, but neither did Spiral, they just stuck it on her to give her extra abilities, so ditto for the big A.

If done 'right' he ought to be a bit over 200 points. He'd certainly be very cool.

[KaiserSelroc]

Ok...someone explain this...how does he get so many horsemen to do his bidding, even when they used to be heroes (Hulk), and even used to be enemies of his (Wolverine), if not through mind control?

Consider this: Darkseid does not have mental powers, but he does have a pretty nifty torchure/brainwashing operation on his planet...thus he gets MC on his dial. Mastermind just doesn't fully demonstrate the ability to manipulate people into attacking their friends and those they once protected with their lives. Just read some of the Incredible Hulk comics were Apokalypse turns him into War. He was so brainwashed, you could see soap coming out of his ears. If Darkseid and Elektra get it, so should any Apokalypse fig.

BTW: Because of his Ovid Mind-swap ability, I thought Dr. Doom should have had MC on his dial too.

[Rogueslaw]

Does anyone read a comic around here? U all want toknow how apoc got control of the horsemen that he had. ok then listen up.

Angel aka Arachangel who ended up becomng Death. After he got beaten to near death and had the bones in his wings shattered by harpoon. He then ran away from the hospitol that he was in since he couldn't get his wings back and te doc's wantedto remove them he ran away. After a while Apoc found hm and changed him

Wolverine who ended up being War. Get ready for this one. He choose to become War since it was either him or sabertooth and he felt sabertooth would have way too much fun being War.

Hulk who became War. Well first off he wasn't very smart at that time and even ifhe ha Bruce's Brains I doubt he would have been even close to how smart Apoc is. So it was easy for apoc to spring a trap on hulk and convert him.

As for the rest well Caliban waned the power to avenage th lose ofthe morlocks, Allastair( I think that is his name) was just a scietist in excaliber aka easy pickings. The other 2 were morlocks too that just wanted to take out their pain on humans. So this was just providing the means and twisting the goal.

So should Apoc have MC? Heck no. H should have perplex and outwit maybe split dial since he has bth in spades.

[Loganz]

ya know were really building Apoc up here, that is an invatation for disapointment. Im just going to keep an open mind and see what they do with him.

[Doctor Strange]

His only true power is complete molecular controll of his own body.

[Mournblade]

Originally posted by Loganz
ya know were really building Apoc up here, that is an invatation for disapointment. Im just going to keep an open mind and see what they do with him.

This is just what I was thinking.

Does Apocalypse really (come on, really) need anymore than a ton of clicks of Invulnerability and a high damage? He can hurt people, but needlessly, easily so that warrants Psychic Blast? Nah.

Add Super Strength. Add Regeneration. Add Perplex. Voila, done.

[Aron]

psy blast is merited, he's used it before I'm pretty sure

Super strength would be a waste and make him a close up bruiser, he shifts and isn't a straight up bruiser or a psy blaster either

[WarHULK]

Hulk was actually very smart at the time he became War. IT was during the time where Banner was sent into the Heroes Reborn U and the hulk was still smart and very very angry and mean. Hulk had just fought his way out of the X Mansion when he ran into Apocolypse. Apocolypse fought with him for a while and then offered to help the Hulk by getting the voice of his abusive father out of his head... He did so with a helmet... and the reason Hulk left was because the voice came back. It most certianly wasn't because "Well first off he wasn't very smart at that time and even ifhe ha Bruce's Brains I doubt he would have been even close to how smart Apoc is. So it was easy for apoc to spring a trap on hulk and convert him. "

[Rogueslaw]

ok maybe it was the way u say i was though I don't remeber but, still bruce isn't as smart as apoc. Do remeber apoc has been around for along time and no that doen't equal brains but, it desmean he knows a lot of tricks. Add that to his brains and he blows good old bruce out of the water.

[Kissoon]

Someone said something about The Leader...I will bet money that he won't have Outwit...

[WarHULK]

Yes, Apocolypse is smart, however, he is no genius. Banner may be smarter, however he is a genius of science. This is of no consequence however, since Apocolypse was not tricking the Hulk in the first place. There was no deception, only a mutually benificial offer. "I get rid of the voices, you work for me". Sounded like a good deal at the time, too bad that even Apocolypse's technology couldn't stop the voices for long.

I know it happened the way I said... my name is WarHULK after all... and those three issues happen to be my favorite story arc...

[jjs-thump]

is def is only 15 with two clixs of inv.This is what I was told by a person who saw him at the con in new york.He said wizkids did not make him very good you know like a mistake or something.

[Rogueslaw]

I agreed with u warhulk about the fact tht I could be wrong and that u are mostly right. Still I stick to my guns that apc is sater then bruce. Also as much as u say it was a mutul thing don't u think that apoc knew the helm wouldn't last long and that it could have just been a short term goal, hence a trick to but apoc time.

[WarHULK]

You think Apocolypse would want the Hulk to stop being War? Like Apocolypse sat down one day and said to himself "I want the most powerful being on earth to be my horseman, but not for long... just so he can halfway destroy Cairo and then jump off before he accomplishes anything for me."

Apocolypse thought his technology would work long term and that he would get to keep Hulk in servitude as his most powerful horseman ever. Hulk didn't even get an objective accomplished before the voice came back. He almost killed Juggernaut and Absorbing Man and he accidentally backhanded Rick Jones into a brick wall and paralized him. That's the shocking even that brought the voice back.

Long story short, the benifits of the contract were mutual. Hulk wanted the voice gone, Apocolypse wanted a new Horseman that would be the most powerful one yet.

One last thing, not to be rude, but could you please take some extra time to read over your posts and fix the errors, Rogueslaw. I'm having a hard time decifering what you're trying to say in them because of some typos.