Dr. Manhattan colossal question

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

CLEAR THE SKIES: Dr. Manhattan can use Penetrating/Psychic Blast. After Dr. Manhattan uses Penetrating/Psychic Blast, he can immediately use Pulse Wave as a free action. When using Pulse Wave as a free action, Dr. Manhattan's range value is not halved, but only characters with any of the following symbols have lines of fire drawn to them: {flight},{flight-transport},{giant},{colossal}

My question:

Galactus ignores any use of Penetrating / Psychic Blast.

From the Blackest Night Starter Set:

IGNORES: Is not affected by or treats the stated property or
effect as if it didn’t exist or happen.

(underlined text for emphasis, bold for further emphasis).

1 vs. 1 Match between the first Galactus and Dr. Manhattan:

Dr. Manhattan declares Psychic Blast, which would normally lead to Clear the Skies afterwards.

However.... Since Galactus is the only opposing figure on the map... and he ignores Psychic Blast... and the glossary states: or treats the stated property or
effect as if it didn’t exist or happen.

So, since Galactus treats the Penetrating/PB as if it didn't even happen or even exist... would Clear the Skies still activate, or would it not activate... since it was ignored and never existed or happened in the first place?

[Harpua]

CLEAR THE SKIES: Dr. Manhattan can use Penetrating/Psychic Blast. After Dr. Manhattan uses Penetrating/Psychic Blast, he can immediately use Pulse Wave as a free action. When using Pulse Wave as a free action, Dr. Manhattan's range value is not halved, but only characters with any of the following symbols have lines of fire drawn to them: {flight},{flight-transport},{giant},{colossal}

My question:

Galactus ignores any use of Penetrating / Psychic Blast.

From the Blackest Night Starter Set:

IGNORES: Is not affected by or treats the stated property or
effect as if it didn’t exist or happen.

(underlined text for emphasis, bold for further emphasis).

1 vs. 1 Match between the first Galactus and Dr. Manhattan:

Dr. Manhattan declares Psychic Blast, which would normally lead to Clear the Skies afterwards.

However.... Since Galactus is the only opposing figure on the map... and he ignores Psychic Blast... and the glossary states: or treats the stated property or
effect as if it didn’t exist or happen.

So, since Galactus treats the Penetrating/PB as if it didn't even happen or even exist... would Clear the Skies still activate, or would it not activate... since it was ignored and never existed or happened in the first place?

It was ignored by Galactus, not by Dr. Manhattan. He can use the follow-up PW just fine.

[Blaiser]

My question when I read this was: If Galactus ignores the power, does he ignore the entire attack too? Like could Dr. M still deal damage from an attack in which he declared he was using P/PB and just have the penetrating part of it ignored, or because he declared the power the entire attack is useless other than activating the special pulse wave?

[Harpua]

My question when I read this was: If Galactus ignores the power, does he ignore the entire attack too? Like could Dr. M still deal damage from an attack in which he declared he was using P/PB and just have the penetrating part of it ignored, or because he declared the power the entire attack is useless other than activating the special pulse wave?

I've always played it that he could still be damaged by it.

Either way he's still making a ranged attack. The P/PB just makes it so that the damage dealt from that attack is penetrating. The attack would still happen. Ignoring P/PB means that he'd ignore that aspect of the attack.

That said, I don't recall ever seeing the official stance on it either way.

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

It was ignored by Galactus, not by Dr. Manhattan. He can use the follow-up PW just fine.

The way you said it is the way I would rule it too. That is what I posted in the Galactus vs. Dr. Manhattan thread.

I was just hoping I was wrong since we are doing a battle in a few days. :)

Thanks again Harpua!

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

Another Dr. Manhattan question:

If he uses his Multiattack ability while on his Clear the Skies power... is the free Pulsewaves subject to the -1 modifier penalty to damage dealt during Pulswave... since he is doing it during a Multiattack?

[blackprince]

We did a 1-v-1 a couple weeks ago with the CoG Galactus vs. Dr. Manhattan. We played it where the penetrating aspect of PB was ignored, but it was still treated as a regular attack. We also reduced the damage on the Pulse Wave by 1 as it was part of the Multi-attack.

We played on the Space Map and neither figure ever moved because they could reach each other from their starting areas with ranged attacks. Dr. Manhattan went first (passing), so Galactus had the first opportunity to attack. Galactus hit with his first attack, but Dr. Manhattan made his Imperv roll on the second attack. In retaliation, Dr. Manhattan used the Clear the Skies ability twice. Galactus failed his Imperv rolls, so he took a total of 28 points from Dr. Manhattan on his retaliatory strikes (at the beginning of turn 2): 6 points from PB where penetrating was ignored, 8 from Pulse Wave, followed by another 6+8. That put Galactus well into his Rookie dial, so he missed his two follow-up attacks because he only had a 11 attack (IIRC). Dr. Manhattan then finished off Galactus with the first part of his multi-attack, Clear the Skies (6+8 damage against an 18 Invul, then 19 Toughness (ignored) defense), winning easily with 1-and-1/2 multi-attacks. :eek:

I don't have the old version of Galactus, but presumably his Cosmic Multi-attack power would be more devastating to Dr. M, but I suspect the blue nudist would still win (even if he is being modest). :laugh:

[Harpua]

Another Dr. Manhattan question:

If he uses his Multiattack ability while on his Clear the Skies power... is the free Pulsewaves subject to the -1 modifier penalty to damage dealt during Pulswave... since he is doing it during a Multiattack?

Yes it is....

[ShadowMark]

We did a 1-v-1 a couple weeks ago with the CoG Galactus vs. Dr. Manhattan. We played it where the penetrating aspect of PB was ignored, but it was still treated as a regular attack. We also reduced the damage on the Pulse Wave by 1 as it was part of the Multi-attack.

We played on the Space Map and neither figure ever moved because they could reach each other from their starting areas with ranged attacks. Dr. Manhattan went first (passing), so Galactus had the first opportunity to attack. Galactus hit with his first attack, but Dr. Manhattan made his Imperv roll on the second attack. In retaliation, Dr. Manhattan used the Clear the Skies ability twice. Galactus failed his Imperv rolls, so he took a total of 28 points from Dr. Manhattan on his retaliatory strikes (at the beginning of turn 2): 6 points from PB where penetrating was ignored, 8 from Pulse Wave, followed by another 6+8. That put Galactus well into his Rookie dial, so he missed his two follow-up attacks because he only had a 11 attack (IIRC). Dr. Manhattan then finished off Galactus with the first part of his multi-attack, Clear the Skies (6+8 damage against an 18 Invul, then 19 Toughness (ignored) defense), winning easily with 1-and-1/2 multi-attacks. :eek:

I don't have the old version of Galactus, but presumably his Cosmic Multi-attack power would be more devastating to Dr. M, but I suspect the blue nudist would still win (even if he is being modest). :laugh:

Shouldn't "first round immunity" kick in, so Dr. M would get first attack?

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

I don't have the old version of Galactus, but presumably his Cosmic Multi-attack power would be more devastating to Dr. M, but I suspect the blue nudist would still win (even if he is being modest). :laugh:

Buy your ticket now for a ringside seat. Tomorrow is the big battle between the original Galactus and Dr. Manhattan. Follow this link: Galactus vs. Dr. Manhattan - Clash of the Titans! (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?p=4939560#post4939560)

Yes it is....

I thought so, but wanted to verify it. Tomorrow's game will be 100% by the book in regards to the rules. Thanks again!

Shouldn't "first round immunity" kick in, so Dr. M would get first attack?

Yes... Dr. Manhattan would have first round immunity, so Galactus would not be allowed to strike first in the first round if the Dr. did not take any actions but a pass action.

[Harpua]

Yes... Dr. Manhattan would have first round immunity, so Galactus would not be allowed to strike first in the first round if the Dr. did not take any actions but a pass action.

There's no such thing as a "pass action" in the game. There's not even anything called passing defined.

[KillerSavage]

This wasn't that colossal a question.


:laugh:

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

There's no such thing as a "pass action" in the game. There's not even anything called passing defined.

True... not any more. But I can dig into older WizKids literature... and if you passed, it was called a "pass action". I can give sources.

But now, it is just referred to as "passing", even though it is not an "official" game term.

But to be politically correct - If you don't take any actions your first turn, your opponent can't take any actions against your force... including any free actions such as Perplex, Outwit, etc. due to first round immunity.

[red king]

Stupid question maybe.... Why would you pass? Especially if you could hit him from where you were?

[Harpua]

But to be politically correct - If you don't take any actions your first turn, your opponent can't take any actions against your force... including any free actions such as Perplex, Outwit, etc. due to first round immunity.

That's news to me. (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=262353):laugh:

[Harpua]

Stupid question maybe.... Why would you pass? Especially if you could hit him from where you were?

He couldn't hit him because of FRI.

[Questions]

I've always played it that he could still be damaged by it.

Either way he's still making a ranged attack. The P/PB just makes it so that the damage dealt from that attack is penetrating. The attack would still happen. Ignoring P/PB means that he'd ignore that aspect of the attack.

That said, I don't recall ever seeing the official stance on it either way.

For those who were following this thread, Harpua's ruling has been confirmed by the Player's Guide.

From the Player's Guide:
A character which ignores a game effect may still be targeted with that game effect. Any special attributes of that effect will be ignored. For example, a character with the Repulsor Shield feat that is hit with an attack using Ranged Combat Expert would not ignore the attack, it would ignore the +2 damage dealt provided by the Ranged Combat Expert power.