Outwit question

[Remy Lebeau]

Ok, I understand once during your turn you can turn off an opposing players power, or if it's soaring, you can make it hover. i understand it also doesn't cost an action.

My question is how do you go about doing this... It says you treat the character as if it had the power your taking away.

So I dont say anything and when they go to use the power I say..

" I used outwit to turn your (power) off"

???

How do they know I didn't just make it up, perhaps I had another power to cancel in mind, how would they know?

Which brings me to my next questions.

Lets say I use the outwit and they declare a super power, do they get an action token or because I cancelled their power are they just not able to use it for that turn, and they dont get punished for it.

Thanks a lot guys!

[Tsannik]

Ah.... a little confusing.....


To use Outwit.... first determine if Line of Fire exists and then ensure they are within Range (of 10).

Then you look on the target's dial to see what powers (if any) it has and then declare which power you want to 'turn off'.

You have to declare this during your turn.

Then it's their turn and they have to use the figure without that power.

Then they end turn. You new turn begins and the Outwit ends. It can now be reused.

I think you are confused on *when* Outwit can be used.

[Remy Lebeau]

Thanks a lot... I think I understand now..

So I declare which power I want to remove, or should I say freeze during my turn

and if they decide to use that figure during that turn they cannot use the power, correct?

I was a bit more confused of why in the rule book it says " Treat the character as if it had the power."

Can you explain why the rule book would say that?

[Funky Jett]

Check that again. I believe it says something like, "Treat that character as if he did not have the cancelled power". I could be wrong as I don't have my PAC here at work.

[Tsannik]

Yeah, you got it.... I was hoping so, because I don't think I explained it very well that time.

the rule book should've stated "Treat the figure as it it did not have the power"

as per the FAQ
· The second sentence of the Outwit power now reads: “Once during your turn, this character may “turn off” a power on a target OPPOSING character; treat the target as if it does not have the cancelled power.”

[Remy Lebeau]

LOL. listen to this

It says " Treat the target as if it does not have the cancelled power. "

If it doesnt have the cancelled power, than it has the power.

I see this is an error in the rule book, or simple bad wording.

I understand now the rule though so thanks a lot guys!

[Heroclix1234]

Keep in mind soaring is unlike the other outwitted powers though, and will return at the very end of the turn in which it was outwitted. (As opposed to anything else outwitted which returns at the start of the next turn of the player who did the outwitting.)

[Remy Lebeau]

i dont understand, sry

[Heroclix1234]

About the soaring?

The PAC tells you when the figure with the outwitted power gets that power back.

From the PAC:That power remains cancelled until the beginning of your next turn.

That is true for anything you outwit except soaring. If you outwit a figures soaring, it does not remain cancelled until the beginning of your next turn. Rather soaring remains cancelled until the end of your current turn.

From the PAC:Instead of a power, you may choose to cancel a flying character’s ability to soar. The soaring character is considered to be hovering for that turn.

[Funky Jett]

Originally posted by Remy Lebeau
LOL. listen to this

It says " Treat the target as if it does not have the cancelled power. "

If it doesnt have the cancelled power, than it has the power.

I see this is an error in the rule book, or simple bad wording.

I understand now the rule though so thanks a lot guys!

Remy, this is not a double negative. Think of it this way...

1) I Outwit your figure's Invunerability
2) Do you have the cancelled Invunerability? No, you don't. We treat the target as if you do not have the cancelled power.

I hope that helps.

[Tsannik]

Hmm... what's funny is the Remy is correct...


There is a double negative in that sentence. Bad wording.

Just keep the: should've stated "Treat the figure as it it did not have the power

[HeroComplex]

Err, I don't think it's a double negative. Cancelled's just an adjective.

"He does not have the power."
"Which power?"
"The cancelled power."

It would be different if they'd said "as if the figure has the not-cancelled power," but I don't really see a problem as things are.

[Tsannik]

Well I was neber dat good wit da anglish...

[Remy Lebeau]

sounded like a double negative to me, but ya know what? I understand the rule much better now so I guess it's all fine!

thanks guys

[49ergarcia]

I was hoping someone could answer a simple question. Can you Outwit a team ability? Thanks.

[HeroComplex]

No, team abilities cannot be Outwitted. However, in the case of a team ability granting a super power (Superman Enemy), that super power may be Outwitted.

[49ergarcia]

Thanks. It came up in a game a couple days ago and some of us were not sure.