Nevada: Las Vegas

[Bubblehead]

Didn't win Starro.


Made it to the finals and was at a stalemate when I got the news that my wife and kid had been evacuated. I made a stupid move and that was it. I really couldn't play anymore. So to make a long story short, yes we are in the middle of all the fires, no our house hasn't burnt to a crisp and yes we just got back into it this morning.

Thanks to the firefighters who have done an amazing job.

I'm just glad to have our stuff.

My team:

Slave GL
Slave Aquaman
Zatanna
Gypsy
Joe Chill Pog
Willpower CotU Pog

There are worse things than losing a Starro tournament.

[waaagh1]

So to make a long story short, yes we are in the middle of all the fires, no our house hasn't burnt to a crisp and yes we just got back into it this morning.

Thanks to the firefighters who have done an amazing job.

Good to hear....

My mom and dad live in Rancho Benardo, they were evacuated yesterday and haven't gotten back yet, they are staying with friends and don't have to stay at Qualcom. I regularly call them and the house, as long as the answering machine picks up the house isn't burned down, thank god.

[batsentry57]

There are worse things than losing a Starro tournament.

Amen! Dave, glad to hear you and your family are well. Ditto for your parents Brian.

[unsung hero]

There are worse things than losing a Starro tournament.
Quoted for strength and truth.

Probablly none of you guys know this...2 years ago Nick, Vickiy and I lost virtually everything in a post 4th of July fire. Very little fire damage, mostly water damage. And then there was the Looters.:angry: Imagine not being able to enter the ruined remains of your home for 3 days while the Fire Marshall completes his inspection and when you do get to go back in, you find you've been looted.

So, I can truly say I hate 4th of July and Theives.


Sorry to be so glum! Dave, glad to hear everythings OK!

[New Jeff]

Thursday at Comic Oasis:

400 pt Unrestricted


Have fun and behave!

[dumbo06]

I want to start by sending my best to those familiys who are caught in the fires that is nott fun glad to hear alll is well.

Next i would like to address this shark thing again its not fair but it happenes in every game or event or anything so GET OVER IT!!!! In my opinion its the same as one person pulling two super rares from two lucky boosters and selling one of them is that fair to the other person who also bought two boosters and didint get any thing no but we dael and keep going so the same needs to be done here and seeing as though most of us talk to at least one other person outside of touney play then we need to move on in order to save the friendships.

I have been to wwla the last two years and have seen numeous memebers of team vegas make it to the finals on sun and have been beaten by some of the best players in the country including the winner for the past two years or something tlike thati love to play the game and am an avid supporter of the fellowship prize seeing as though i won it in la two years ago for the specture and one of my bestfrinds (little mark) won it last year for the Foom Figure however i have "screw fellowship" on my sig cuz it was voted oon by the team and its a ifeeel the last remaining thing left of the team. I play to socialize and talk comics and have fun thats what it was like back in the day now wk throws out these monster prizes and every one falls apart just a little reminder as to what it was back in the day and a hope to someday return to it cuz the "TEAM" WAS FUN so i will keep screw fellowship in my sig as a bit of the past keep it in mind while you guys are ripping each other apart over who won what or who sold that

[squirecam]

however i have "screw fellowship" on my sig cuz it was voted oon by the team and its a ifeeel the last remaining thing left of the team.

You cannot have a "team" that's motto is basically "screw everoyne but me". That's a group of individuals, not "team players".

Just thought I'd point that out. :)

[wintremute]

I want to start by sending my best to those familiys who are caught in the fires that is nott fun glad to hear alll is well.

Next i would like to address this shark thing again its not fair but it happenes in every game or event or anything so GET OVER IT!!!! In my opinion its the same as one person pulling two super rares from two lucky boosters and selling one of them is that fair to the other person who also bought two boosters and didint get any thing no but we dael and keep going so the same needs to be done here and seeing as though most of us talk to at least one other person outside of touney play then we need to move on in order to save the friendships.

I have been to wwla the last two years and have seen numeous memebers of team vegas make it to the finals on sun and have been beaten by some of the best players in the country including the winner for the past two years or something tlike thati love to play the game and am an avid supporter of the fellowship prize seeing as though i won it in la two years ago for the specture and one of my bestfrinds (little mark) won it last year for the Foom Figure however i have "screw fellowship" on my sig cuz it was voted oon by the team and its a ifeeel the last remaining thing left of the team. I play to socialize and talk comics and have fun thats what it was like back in the day now wk throws out these monster prizes and every one falls apart just a little reminder as to what it was back in the day and a hope to someday return to it cuz the "TEAM" WAS FUN so i will keep screw fellowship in my sig as a bit of the past keep it in mind while you guys are ripping each other apart over who won what or who sold that

Quoted for confusion and EASL

[batsentry57]

Quoted for confusion and EASL

What does this mean? Yes, I AM old and do not know all of these texting shortcuts.

[batsentry57]

Next i would like to address this shark thing again its not fair but it happenes in every game or event or anything so GET OVER IT!!!!

Umm, Nick. If you look at the past several postings, nobody has been talking about the "shark thing". The latest rant is over Fallon getting a pre-release and not us.

As far as the sig thing, it is cool that you want to hang on to the Team Vegas thing. As for me, I thought dinosaurs were cool once, but they died out. Some things change over time. ;)

BTW, I just checked and as far as I can see, you and Tim are the ONLY two that have posted recently and still hold on to that old "team" rally cry of "Screw Fellowship". I'm sure Mike and Roland would have it if they ever post. Oh, yeah, Eric probably does too - of course, he only posts once every six months nowadays. I'd have to say that at least 50% of the people on this forum have never heard of Team Vegas and at least 75% don't care (based on the lack of persons carrying the signature line) and I would put the number of persons not supporting "Screw Fellowship" at 90%.

[wintremute]

What does this mean? Yes, I AM old and do not know all of these texting shortcuts.


EASL = English As a Second Language

[Shield001]

For the record I never had Screw fellowship in my sig and was always treated as part of the team.

But I still have Team Vegas in my sig thats what its all about, if anything its grown over time.



Don't feel bad Jim, I don't know what EASL means either, maybe its Latvarian?

Bubblehead, glad everything turned out ok...
Unsung, I never new that, sorry to hear it...

Theives are bastiches every time I find a broken box at B.Buster I want to punch someone... One of my best friends was held up at gun point last year ... (the Cops did end up catching the bastiches breaking into or trying to rob a hollywood video...)

[batsentry57]

But I still have Team Vegas in my sig thats what its all about, if anything its grown over time.


I would say that the number of players that play in Las Vegas has grown, but certainly not the number of players that have any association with "Team Vegas", and even less that hold dear the "Screw Fellowship" banner.

[waaagh1]

I am definitely not a member of Team Vegas, I would be that 50% that don't know about it, and if being a member means auto-pwning little kids for LE's then count me out.

Just as an update my parents are safely in their home, no problems, yay!

[wintremute]

I am definitely not a member of Team Vegas, I would be that 50% that don't know about it, and if being a member means auto-pwning little kids for LE's then count me out.

Just as an update my parents are safely in their home, no problems, yay!

I don't think Team Vegas was that bad. They just had a "play to win" attitude, which isn't always a bad thing. You've seen how Lucky plays. He plays fair, he plays well, and he plays to win. He'll also teach you and help you to set up your team, but when your figs hit the map you better be ready to play. I think where the negativity in all of this is coming in is the differing view points on winning more than one Starro. I think it's better to keep to the facts, and not to start implying negatives that probably aren't there.


And...I'm glad your parents are safe and sound, and hopefully weren't looted.

[batsentry57]

I don't think Team Vegas was that bad. They just had a "play to win" attitude, which isn't always a bad thing. You've seen how Lucky plays. He plays fair, he plays well, and he plays to win. He'll also teach you and help you to set up your team, but when your figs hit the map you better be ready to play. I think where the negativity in all of this is coming in is the differing view points on winning more than one Starro. I think it's better to keep to the facts, and not to start implying negatives that probably aren't there.

And...I'm glad your parents are safe and sound, and hopefully weren't looted.

Although certainly not the best I could be (trade off with living life beyond 'clix'), I do think I am a much better player having battled in this arena for the last two years. For that, I tip my hat to Roland and Team Vegas. While Tim finally beat me and advanced in last week's Kools Starro event, it was not without frustration for him as I employed the game plan of strategic retreat that was drummed into my head a year ago by Roland. Although retreating goes against my nature, I did it and think I could have won if I had not engaged in a battle at the very end. The competitiveness of Team Vegas is not something I object to.

As far as fighting as hard as you can for a Starro, I agree wholeheartedly that one should do so. However, once you have won, unless you have a future game strategy to run a multi-Starro attack team and REALLY need more than one, then trying to win a second, third or fourth simply for the monetary gain goes against the spirit of friendly gamesmanship that I believe is Wizkids’ aim.

I doubt this discussion on fairness or correctness will change until more of the players have matured and taken on the responsibility of fatherhood. As I read the thread from the past week, I notice that there is a strong demarcation between dads and non-dads. Fathers tend to espouse fair play to their children and this is communicated here as well. Note that the five persons that still carry the Screw Fellowship in their sigs – Roland, Mike, Eric, Nick and Tim – are not fathers. Just an observation. ;)

Brian, ditto on the family situation.

[New Jeff]

my new motto:

Screw Fatherhood!

ha ha just had to....

[wintremute]

my new motto:

Screw Fatherhood!

ha ha just had to....


That made me laugh out loud!

I agree with JimSentry, fatherhood does make a difference. I am still on the side of "one starro per person is enough", but I don't want the guys who did get more than one maligned for attitudes or playing styles they don't endorse.


On a completely different subject, my talents were needed for a music video. enjoy!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VFDVEsYreuk

[Shield001]

I'm not a father....

at least I don't think I am....

I demand a blood test...

er uh um I mean ....nice video Winter :nervous:

[batsentry57]

I'm not a father....

at least I don't think I am....

I demand a blood test...

er uh um I mean ....nice video Winter :nervous:

I think you'll be a great father one day!

[batsentry57]

my new motto:

Screw = Fatherhood!

ha ha just had to....

That is how it all starts!

[Shield001]

The latest Batman collectable (http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u41/no1balloonatic/starro%20slave%20balloons/100_1690.jpg)



want to see more?? (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=212146)

[unsung hero]

On a completely different subject, my talents were needed for a music video. enjoy!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=VFDVEsYreuk
That is you playing the Bass Guitar in that video right Charles?

[unsung hero]

Gonna try this again:


This is one of 3 versions of Beast were are getting in M&M.

Classic Beast (seen here)
Dark Beast (on wizkids site and Units section)
And New X-Men Beast. Seen the sculpt only so far.

[wintremute]

That is you playing the Bass Guitar in that video right Charles?

Yeah, that's me with the short hair.

[New Jeff]

For any interested:

Thurs 11/1 - 500 points unrestricted

[batsentry57]

Here are the links to my Damian Wayne - Son of Batman.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee73/batsentry57/Damian%20Wayne/IMG_2303.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee73/batsentry57/Damian%20Wayne/IMG_2302.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee73/batsentry57/Damian%20Wayne/IMG_2301.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee73/batsentry57/Damian%20Wayne/IMG_2300.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee73/batsentry57/Damian%20Wayne/IMG_2298.jpg

[wintremute]

Here are the links to my Damian Wayne - Son of Batman.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee73/batsentry57/Damian%20Wayne/IMG_2303.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee73/batsentry57/Damian%20Wayne/IMG_2302.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee73/batsentry57/Damian%20Wayne/IMG_2301.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee73/batsentry57/Damian%20Wayne/IMG_2300.jpg

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee73/batsentry57/Damian%20Wayne/IMG_2298.jpg


That's pretty cool. I really like the glass patio table. Oh, and the mod is cool too. I never heard of this guy, throw a dog a bone...give me a link to his story (because I'm too lazy to go to wikipedia).

[waaagh1]

Damien Wayne is Bruce Wayne's and Lady Talia's son. Talia is the daughter of R'as Al Ghul(sp?) This was from the classic Son of the Demon one shot that was never confirmed to be "in" continuity until Morrison took over the writing for Batman recently. The mod, and nice one, that Batsentry did was from a future story involving Damien. Right now Damien is still a kid about Robin's age.

[unsung hero]

Spoke to Don on the phone (yeah, I know pretty sad!:( )
Tomorrow 300pts. Unrestricted


Justin, Change LSOM to Ignore for Theme Team BFC's. Thank you.

[Shield001]

ignore.....I refuse on principal :angry:


:laugh:

ok


and that Future Batam = Damien was a great story, I hope we get him in clix

Oh and can someone (if you know Jaks phone number)

please call him and tell him its 500 point unrestricted....:)

[Shield001]

Oh and i think we need to patition WK to make Double D a keyword for theme teams

squirecam's team last week might have won if he had been able to use the theme rules.

His team:
Mary Marvel
Super Girl
Wonder Girl
Power Girl

And i think someone was sidekicked...

now thats a worthy theme team dont you think :laugh:

[batsentry57]

Wikipedia link to Damian Wayne.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damian_Wayne

Reference Pic (from Wikipedia): http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee73/batsentry57/Damian%20Wayne/The_Legend_of_Batman.jpg

That's pretty cool. I really like the glass patio table. Oh, and the mod is cool too. I never heard of this guy, throw a dog a bone...give me a link to his story (because I'm too lazy to go to wikipedia).

[wintremute]

Wikipedia link to Damian Wayne.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damian_Wayne

Reference Pic (from Wikipedia): http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee73/batsentry57/Damian%20Wayne/The_Legend_of_Batman.jpg



muchos gracias

[unsung hero]

Speaking of OLD LE's (and Uniques)...
I have an idea for a cool scenario (I'll admit it, I stole it :o ) that I want to gauge feedback on.

I want to hype this and want a good showing (attendancewise) to make it worth the effort. What this will be is a LARGE Keep what you kill Multi-player scenario. However you will be "killing" the prize LE's, not so much each other.
There will be several prize LE's in boxes on several large maps. You Close combat the box to find out what is inside. If you KO it, you keep it! There will aslo be several other surpirzes on the map as well.

Looking to run this in early November so let me know what the excitement level is for this to see if it is worth it. Looking for 8+ players to show up! When I post it, pre-sign up please!!!!
OK looking to run this (Quoted above) scenario 11/13/07 Tuesday 5:30pm.
So any intrest in this?

Wintremute?
Squirecam?
Batsentry57? (Even though you allready have EVERYTHING!!! :rolleyes: )
Waaagh1?
Timmy?
Bret?
Quiet Storm? (could alwys use them as prize support!?!)
I promise it will be fun!

Oh and if your name wasn't on the list, you probablly work Tuesdays!!! (SHEILD,Lucky and Bad)
Please let me know! Thanks!

[batsentry57]

OK looking to run this (Quoted above) scenario 11/13/07 Tuesday 5:30pm.
So any intrest in this?

I promise it will be fun!


Different, yes. Fun, maybe. My cup of tea, no. I prefer my clix like my burgers - no guacamole.

[Bad6423]

You guys make me sick. Only 10 pages on the Starro events? pa-thet-ic!

I'm not sure where I stand on this. You gentlemen (I use that term loosely, I'm looking at you Jimbo) certainly are passionate about your clix.
I think it's unfortunate some of your feelings were rendered eschewed by the behavior of Team Vegas. I'm only going to address the older players as I feel the newer players, some of them long winded as they may be really don't have the proper perspective to weigh in. My apologies but speaking for myself personally, I don't care what you think. Your opinions are valid and you have the right to express them. Conversely, I have the right to ignore them. Put in your time, learn the game, the environment and local players and I'll start giving gravity to your concerns.

There is a tremendous amount of talent as of late in the Heroclix arena. The fruit of everyones hard work over dozens and dozens of games are starting to harvest. You gentlemen are good and I tip my hat to each of you individually. My congratulations to Roland, Timmy and especially Tyler for competing and winning these events. You guys are the best of the best. Having said that I don't think any of the players or envoys will collectively see eye to eye. That's a reality I'm fine with. I consider myself a casual player. Surprised? I don't at great expense try to complete every set. I don't pour over tomes of clixdom to find strategy. I rarely peruse these boards. I'd say in any given week I consciously spend less than an hour thinking about clix. In fact my greatest thrill (clix derived) is playing Keep What You Kill. Still think I'm not casual?
So what makes me above average? I don't know, luck perhaps? Inherent talent, maybe? It doesn't matter. I don't give much thought to it and neither should you. It just is and it is with Roland and it is with Timmy and so fourth and so on down the line. If you think that our play style is restrictive to new players entering the environment just think of how it will be once you start errecting new barriers.
If it were up to me Jimbo would win fellowship every week. Not because he isn't cut throat but because he's always been nothing but a perfect gentlemen and saint in relation to me? That's just it, in relation to me. I'm sure he's rubbed another player wrong at some point. In that dynamic comes the "Screw Fellowship" attitude. Once you have players competing for who is the nicest chap the willingness to evolve is lost. Worst still, I have to deal with insincere suck arses jockeying for who can suck the envoys pen-is the hardest and longest. Again fellowship is awarded purely due to relation to the envoy. This in my opinion is counter productive.

Flame away.

[waaagh1]

I'll take that guantlet toss. For the record:

I have been collecting clix ever since Hypertime.
I have been playing clix since CoG.
I have been playing games since the tender age of 12 (I'm 37 do the math) [YES, I know Jim has me beat]This list includes and is not limited too:
-D&D (1st edition baby!) all the way through 3.5, I remember when Gygax was king and TSR meant something.
-Gama World
-Boot Hill
-DC Heroes RPG
-Marvel Super Heroes RPG
-Champions
-Gurps
-Paranoia
-Rogue Trader
-Car Wars
-Battletech (before Mechwarrior)
-Warhammer 40k 2-4 edition
-Warhammer Fantasy 4-6 edition
-Warmachine/Hordes
-Vor
-Dark Age
-Heroclix
-Risk, vanilla, 2152, Godstorm
-#### tons of board games, and I'm not talking about Candyland and Chutes and Ladders
- Pokemon (only with my daughter...I swear!!!)
- VS
- a smattering of Magic
- INWO (if you have to ask you are not worthy:p )
I am a Game Designer for a second tier table top minature game, third in line from GW and PP.
I have competed in tournaments for some of the above game systems at major conventions held across the United States.
Last year I went to four major conventions (not WW) and put in numerous hours playing and demoing games.

Please don't presume to think that just because you have played a game that has been around five years that you know everything there is to know about gaming and competing. I can speak from a quarter of a century of gaming experience and play about tournament play, design, and attitude.

You are right, you are entitled to your opinion, but also don't presume to think that anyone is stroking the judges/envoys either.

[unsung hero]

I'll take that guantlet toss. For the record:

I have been collecting clix ever since Hypertime.
I have been playing clix since CoG.
I have been playing games since the tender age of 12 (I'm 37 do the math) [YES, I know Jim has me beat]This list includes and is not limited too:
-D&D (1st edition baby!) all the way through 3.5, I remember when Gygax was king and TSR meant something.
-Gama World
-Boot Hill
-DC Heroes RPG
-Marvel Super Heroes RPG
-Champions
-Gurps
-Paranoia
-Rogue Trader
-Car Wars
-Battletech (before Mechwarrior)
-Warhammer 40k 2-4 edition
-Warhammer Fantasy 4-6 edition
-Warmachine/Hordes
-Vor
-Dark Age
-Heroclix
-Risk, vanilla, 2152, Godstorm
-#### tons of board games, and I'm not talking about Candyland and Chutes and Ladders
- Pokemon (only with my daughter...I swear!!!)
- VS
- a smattering of Magic
- INWO (if you have to ask you are not worthy:p )
I am a Game Designer for a second tier table top minature game, third in line from GW and PP.
I have competed in tournaments for some of the above game systems at major conventions held across the United States.
Last year I went to four major conventions (not WW) and put in numerous hours playing and demoing games.

Please don't presume to think that just because you have played a game that has been around five years that you know everything there is to know about gaming and competing. I can speak from a quarter of a century of gaming experience and play about tournament play, design, and attitude.

You are right, you are entitled to your opinion, but also don't presume to think that anyone is stroking the judges/envoys either.
Bravo man!

Say what you want Mikey, you ARE a VERY DIFFICULT PERSON TO GET ALONG WITH! So If anyone wants to listen to what you have to say, go ahead and waste your time. Menatime, GROW A PERSONALITY!

[unsung hero]

Different, yes. Fun, maybe. My cup of tea, no. I prefer my clix like my burgers - no guacamole.
I hate Guacamole!:confused:
SO what does this mean? You don't like Keep-what-you-kill? Or is it just that you have every figure I'll offer up as a prize?

[waaagh1]

OK looking to run this (Quoted above) scenario 11/13/07 Tuesday 5:30pm.
So any intrest in this?

Wintremute?
Squirecam?
Batsentry57? (Even though you allready have EVERYTHING!!! :rolleyes: )
Waaagh1?
Timmy?
Bret?
Quiet Storm? (could alwys use them as prize support!?!)
I promise it will be fun!

Oh and if your name wasn't on the list, you probablly work Tuesdays!!! (SHEILD,Lucky and Bad)
Pleaselet me know! Thanks!

Sorry, can't make it this tuesday I have class. Normally I don't have class except these next three weeks we are palying catch-up, sounds fun though.

[batsentry57]

You gentlemen (I use that term loosely, I'm looking at you Jimbo) certainly are passionate about your clix.


:laugh: Hey, Mike, were you looking at me when you used the "gentleman" term loosely or when you were talking about passion for clix?

I consider those among you that know the dials of WAY TOO MANY heroclix figures to be passionate about clix. And those that know exactly which combinations of characters to run from two sealed boosters because you have studied them in extreme detail. I hate when someone knows when NOT to attack me because if the attack is successful, I go from a 7-10-13-2 with charge, super senses and outwit to a 7-11-12-2 with BCF and Imperv. In that manner, I will never be among the most passionate in this game.

My passion for clix is the same as my passion for other things I collect. To wit, Batman and Detective comics nearly complete through 1970 and a large part of the 60s. I have nearly every Hallmark Kiddie Car ever manufactured. I have in excess of 500 Batman related collectibles. My Star Trek poster has nearly 150 autographs from the original series through Enterprise. I can't remember how many 12" and 3-3/4" GI Joes I have in storage and I think at least one of every number in NASCAR in 1:24 scale. I am a passionate collector, yes, but only a casual clixer.

I look forward any time to an opportunity to engage you in a game of clix. You challenge me and I enjoy our encounters. BTW, I am NOT an avid KWYK player, but the other night was a blast. Thanks.

[unsung hero]

Wanted to share something with you guys. Keep in mind that this is VERY SUBJECTIVE and is an opinion of the Team Vegas Hirerarchy. However there is some logical points here (or I wouldn't have posted it!)
DRPI Power Rankings:
1. Roland Wellington
2. Mike Aguello
3. Tyler V.
4. Tim Friedlieb
5. Jeff Ortega
6. Justin S.
7. Charles (Squirecam?)
8. Derek Iden

*Also receiving votes: Dave Williams


Here is some explainations and statements the voters
made.

1. Roland
#### it, it's my list. Of course I am #1.

2. Mike
Has a winning record vs everyone else on the list
ranked below him. Will play anyone, anywhere. 2 wins
in the Galactus tournaments. And has taken more figs
in KWYK from me than anyone else.

3. Tyler
Coming from nowhere in the minds of most to take 2
wins in the Starro toruneys. Both against the #1
player, me! Plus he qualified for the finals at WWLA
this year. When he's played in 2007, he has been
dominant and impressed the voters.

4. Tim
A breakthrough win to take one of the Starro toruneys.
Made it to 2 finals in the Galactus toruneys. Plus a
big win on the road in Chicago during one of the
Starro weeks. A player that shows a willingness to
travel and take on players from anywhere.

5. Jeff
Like in the golf ranking system, current ranking more
of a product of last year's success. Qualifing for
the finals of WWLA in '06 still carries alot of
weight. More wins against the top players last year
than this year. Transitioning to judge has cut his
playing time.

6. Justin
Solid player with a good record when he has the time
to play. Did not show much during the Galactus and
Starro events. Shows a willingness to travel on the
road and has wins and high finishes in AZ at Matt
Eskbrook's home venue. Taking him and Negative Steve
down several times over the past few years.

7. Charles
A rookie with alot of promise. Only had 4 loses
during the Starro championship weekend. All to the #1
player. Ahead of the learning curve for new players.
Will definatly be a threat to move up.

8. Derek
Yeah, he's my boy and has beaten everyone in Vegas
when he lived here. Given some love to my friend.
Won Starro, 2nd for Galactus, has won cons. And again
it is my list.


For those that don't know Dave Willams is Bubblehead (who has a friendly rivalry going on with Rolland) and he was #2 at WWLA this year (loosing to the 2 time champ!)
Derek is from Team Vegas before I joined. Have met both guys and both are cool in my book.

I like his points about Squire and Tyler. Extremely valid!

[batsentry57]

Jeff,

Is that your ranking or Roland's?

What is DRPI????

[batsentry57]

BTW, Rockies lost AGAIN, So much for my prediction of the Rockies in 5.

[unsung hero]

Jeff,

Is that your ranking or Roland's?

What is DRPI????
Rollands of course! Who else is the Team Vegas Hirerarchy?

[batsentry57]

Rollands of course! Who else is the Team Vegas Hirerarchy?

Just read my emails and thus answered all my questions.

[batsentry57]

Mike,

Sent you a PM.

[Bad6423]

Bravo man!

Say what you want Mikey, you ARE a VERY DIFFICULT PERSON TO GET ALONG WITH! So If anyone wants to listen to what you have to say, go ahead and waste your time. Menatime, GROW A PERSONALITY!

I get it. I rub you the wrong way. It's not a big secret. So we're not pals. Nothing to see here, move along.

[batsentry57]

I get it. I rub you the wrong way. It's not a big secret. So we're not pals. Nothing to see here, move along.

No ####? I never would have guessed. :laugh:

[squirecam]

Oh and i think we need to patition WK to make Double D a keyword for theme teams

squirecam's team last week might have won if he had been able to use the theme rules.

His team:
Mary Marvel
Super Girl
Wonder Girl
Power Girl

And i think someone was sidekicked...

now thats a worthy theme team dont you think :laugh:

I demand justice for the DD squad !! :p

[wintremute]

OK looking to run this (Quoted above) scenario 11/13/07 Tuesday 5:30pm.
So any intrest in this?

Wintremute?
Squirecam?
Batsentry57? (Even though you allready have EVERYTHING!!! :rolleyes: )
Waaagh1?
Timmy?
Bret?
Quiet Storm? (could alwys use them as prize support!?!)
I promise it will be fun!

Oh and if your name wasn't on the list, you probablly work Tuesdays!!! (SHEILD,Lucky and Bad)
Please let me know! Thanks!


That looks fun, but week-days are rather difficult for me. I'd have to say no.

[wintremute]

You guys make me sick. Only 10 pages on the Starro events? pa-thet-ic!

I'm not sure where I stand on this. You gentlemen (I use that term loosely, I'm looking at you Jimbo) certainly are passionate about your clix.
I think it's unfortunate some of your feelings were rendered eschewed by the behavior of Team Vegas. I'm only going to address the older players as I feel the newer players, some of them long winded as they may be really don't have the proper perspective to weigh in. My apologies but speaking for myself personally, I don't care what you think. Your opinions are valid and you have the right to express them. Conversely, I have the right to ignore them. Put in your time, learn the game, the environment and local players and I'll start giving gravity to your concerns.

There is a tremendous amount of talent as of late in the Heroclix arena. The fruit of everyones hard work over dozens and dozens of games are starting to harvest. You gentlemen are good and I tip my hat to each of you individually. My congratulations to Roland, Timmy and especially Tyler for competing and winning these events. You guys are the best of the best. Having said that I don't think any of the players or envoys will collectively see eye to eye. That's a reality I'm fine with. I consider myself a casual player. Surprised? I don't at great expense try to complete every set. I don't pour over tomes of clixdom to find strategy. I rarely peruse these boards. I'd say in any given week I consciously spend less than an hour thinking about clix. In fact my greatest thrill (clix derived) is playing Keep What You Kill. Still think I'm not casual?
So what makes me above average? I don't know, luck perhaps? Inherent talent, maybe? It doesn't matter. I don't give much thought to it and neither should you. It just is and it is with Roland and it is with Timmy and so fourth and so on down the line. If you think that our play style is restrictive to new players entering the environment just think of how it will be once you start errecting new barriers.
If it were up to me Jimbo would win fellowship every week. Not because he isn't cut throat but because he's always been nothing but a perfect gentlemen and saint in relation to me? That's just it, in relation to me. I'm sure he's rubbed another player wrong at some point. In that dynamic comes the "Screw Fellowship" attitude. Once you have players competing for who is the nicest chap the willingness to evolve is lost. Worst still, I have to deal with insincere suck arses jockeying for who can suck the envoys pen-is the hardest and longest. Again fellowship is awarded purely due to relation to the envoy. This in my opinion is counter productive.

Flame away.


Mike. I've never had a problem with you, and you were very helpful in my first ever tournament/event (CoG). Since I read this over, and I don't really see it addressed, I'm asking you: Where do you stand on the 1 mega-prize per person. That's what kinda started this whole thing, that some people were really upset that others won more than 1 Starro during the recent event. The Team Vegas/fellowship slant started when Tim made post #1963 in this thread.

[unsung hero]

Mike. I've never had a problem with you, and you were very helpful in my first ever tournament/event (CoG). Since I read this over, and I don't really see it addressed, I'm asking you: Where do you stand on the 1 mega-prize per person. That's what kinda started this whole thing, that some people were really upset that others won more than 1 Starro during the recent event. The Team Vegas/fellowship slant started when Tim made post #1963 in this thread.
Keep in mind Wintremute that you are asking a guy who won TWO Galactus!!!

[wintremute]

Keep in mind Wintremute that you are asking a guy who won TWO Galactus!!!

I know, I'm not asking because I'm assuming he'll take the side that I lean towards. I'm asking because I want to hear his opinion and reasons for that opinion.


And is it Galuctuses, or Galacti...or just 2 Galactus?

[Shield001]

Say what you want Mikey, you ARE a VERY DIFFICULT PERSON TO GET ALONG WITH! So If anyone wants to listen to what you have to say, go ahead and waste your time.


I never found him difficult to get along with...

as for the DRPI woo who take that every one else....oh wait number 1 is the best.... but 6 is a bigger number than 1.....oh well.....:laugh:

I did make it to the finals for Galactus in the big AZ Stardust V stardust = whoever misses SS first loses.... still a close game...

did any get to call Jak? (if anyone knows his number)

first page to be updated tommorow

[batsentry57]

Oh, silly me. I thought being an envoy meant being an ambassador of the game. Guess that excludes personal attacks. I think this present thread sucks majorly. :tired:

Say what you want Mikey, you ARE a VERY DIFFICULT PERSON TO GET ALONG WITH! So If anyone wants to listen to what you have to say, go ahead and waste your time. Menatime, GROW A PERSONALITY!

[waaagh1]

Then let's change it:

Warning Crisis spoilers in the link below:

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=208741&page=11

post #157

M&M will pale to this new set:knockedou
Of course none of this is totally official....

[Bad6423]

Since you asked, this is where I come down on it. Personal feelings aside, think about the logistics involved in enforcing something like what your proposing. So far, to the best of my knowledge, Wizkids doesn't dissuade, prevent or otherwise frown upon this or any other prize "sharking". There is no infrastructure in place to accommodate anything like this. Your talking about a loose network of envoys operating outside of the scope of established Wizkids guidelines to promote a virtue they obviously put second to selling more of there product. They extend a generous and liberal amount of discretion to envoys in that they may have there house rules trump the official ones. I wonder if they would feel the same way after learning of restricting the revenue there company needs to thrive from the most loyal and die hard players who are intricate to there success? Say Jeff is successful in forming his anti-fairness alliance and decrees only one prize per player per year or some other such nonsense, who will subscribe to this? Sci-fi center? Oasis? Kools?
Such a clandestine future seem doomed from the outset.

Furthermore, who does the edict serve? Is one players time more valuable than another? If so, who decides this? I live on the south side of town and as such have to travel far to play at any venue. Justin and Jack have to take the bus to attend events. Assuming we all work and have families, what is the cost to try and scramble after putting in a full work shift to make it over to your favorite venue, support said venue, vendor and envoy, spend 3+ hours on a tournament only to be told your contribution is unwanted?
"No Jack, go home! You won an LE back in April, sorry buddy", declares one anal retentive envoy.
"Sorry Roland, your to good. I know you won the Big Fig this tournie but I'm going to strip away your prize and give it to someone I deem more deserving because they for whatever reason haven't won. "
Isn't that what Fidel Castro did? It seems absurd to make the comparison but seriously, doesn't that sound like income redistribution?
I know Jeff has the X-files like theory floating around about Timmy throwing the tournament to me during the Galactus events because of my financial straits. Could I not make a similar accusation about Jeff currying favor to Tyler via his rulings? Or further follow the rabbit down the hole and say he swapped out his boosters for pre-made ones that contained figs favorable to his playing style? Or course he did not but I can speculate without proof given that Tyler did give him a Starro and they are buddies/family. Ridiculous, yes! Without warrant? Jeff set the precedent.
I'm digressing a bit and I know these scenarios only serve to illustrate my point but the question still remains, who does this serve?
I eagerly await your reply.

[wintremute]

Then let's change it:

Warning Crisis spoilers in the link below:

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=208741&page=11

post #157

M&M will pale to this new set:knockedou
Of course none of this is totally official....


No way will it be better...it's DC!

[unsung hero]

Since you asked, this is where I come down on it. Personal feelings aside, think about the logistics involved in enforcing something like what your proposing. So far, to the best of my knowledge, Wizkids doesn't dissuade, prevent or otherwise frown upon this or any other prize "sharking". There is no infrastructure in place to accommodate anything like this. Your talking about a loose network of envoys operating outside of the scope of established Wizkids guidelines to promote a virtue they obviously put second to selling more of there product. They extend a generous and liberal amount of discretion to envoys in that they may have there house rules trump the official ones. I wonder if they would feel the same way after learning of restricting the revenue there company needs to thrive from the most loyal and die hard players who are intricate to there success? Say Jeff is successful in forming his anti-fairness alliance and decrees only one prize per player per year or some other such nonsense, who will subscribe to this? Sci-fi center? Oasis? Kools?
Such a clandestine future seem doomed from the outset.

Furthermore, who does the edict serve? Is one players time more valuable than another? If so, who decides this? I live on the south side of town and as such have to travel far to play at any venue. Justin and Jack have to take the bus to attend events. Assuming we all work and have families, what is the cost to try and scramble after putting in a full work shift to make it over to your favorite venue, support said venue, vendor and envoy, spend 3+ hours on a tournament only to be told your contribution is unwanted?
"No Jack, go home! You won an LE back in April, sorry buddy", declares one anal retentive envoy.
"Sorry Roland, your to good. I know you won the Big Fig this tournie but I'm going to strip away your prize and give it to someone I deem more deserving because they for whatever reason haven't won. "
Isn't that what Fidel Castro did? It seems absurd to make the comparison but seriously, doesn't that sound like income redistribution?
I know Jeff has the X-files like theory floating around about Timmy throwing the tournament to me during the Galactus events because of my financial straits. Could I not make a similar accusation about Jeff currying favor to Tyler via his rulings? Or further follow the rabbit down the hole and say he swapped out his boosters for pre-made ones that contained figs favorable to his playing style? Or course he did not but I can speculate without proof given that Tyler did give him a Starro and they are buddies/family. Ridiculous, yes! Without warrant? Jeff set the precedent.
I'm digressing a bit and I know these scenarios only serve to illustrate my point but the question still remains, who does this serve?
I eagerly await your reply.
I'll bet your just tapping the refresh button aren't you?
Why don't you ask Tyler your self? He came to me. Please come and tell me to my face that I swapped out boosters!

You have allways been disrespectful to me and acted like a Bully on many ocassion. Remeber when you tried to Psych me out by telling me that Aikido wasn't ####? Rolland told you cut it out.

I have given up many prizes to some one who dosen't have the LE. Whats wrong with that? I take the bus to Kool's, Sci-Fi and LSOM. So what's your point? What am I travelling for? You really think Wizkids sees this as income only? What about the resale of figs on the secondary market by soemone who allready has 1 or 2 of the same fig? They don't see any of that money. It's obvoius that your oveinflated overopionated self will never see Eye-to-eye with me. So Flame to you little hearts desire as I know you will.

I am done with discussing Prizesharking.

[wintremute]

Since you asked, this is where I come down on it. Personal feelings aside, think about the logistics involved in enforcing something like what your proposing. So far, to the best of my knowledge, Wizkids doesn't dissuade, prevent or otherwise frown upon this or any other prize "sharking".

Mike, thanks for taking the time to answer my question. :)

The way I understood it, WizKids does frown upon it. They tried to set up the CoG finals so they're all at the same time (noon on a Saturday) to prevent people from attending more than 1. A lot of people complained saying that that isn't the time they normally play at, and so a lot of players wouldn't be able to make it to their finals after spending 4 weeks with the heralds. WizKids changed their policy back to where the venue sets the time, because they realized their plan to limit "sharking" was hurting more people than it was helping.

There is no infrastructure in place to accommodate anything like this. Your talking about a loose network of envoys operating outside of the scope of established Wizkids guidelines to promote a virtue they obviously put second to selling more of there product. They extend a generous and liberal amount of discretion to envoys in that they may have there house rules trump the official ones.

I agree that it would be very difficult to enforce prize restrictions. I also agree that WizKids does allow venues to come up with house rules for their events. However, (and once again this is just a perspective I've picked up from hearing things and reading things, I'm not a judge so I don't know for sure) I'm pretty sure for the CoG and Starro events WizKids was telling the venues to stick to the stricter WizKids guidelines/rules.

I'm not sure how far the other people are taking this, but for me the restriction of one mega-prize per person is all I'm talking about. I was not talking about the regular weekly events with LE figures and other smaller prizes. Those events usually have no buy in, they're free to play. Those LEs are figures that can usually be purchased on the secondary market for less than $50, and often less than $20. What I am specifically suggesting limiting are the larger prizes, such as the Galactus or Starro. These cost hundreds of dollars on the secondary market - and the events have a cost to buy in/play.

I can see where the argument can be made that if one prize is limited, then they should all be limited. But I'm hoping that the other people talking about this are only specifically talking about the mega-prizes, and not the regular weekly prizes.

I wonder if they would feel the same way after learning of restricting the revenue there company needs to thrive from the most loyal and die hard players who are intricate to there success? Say Jeff is successful in forming his anti-fairness alliance and decrees only one prize per player per year or some other such nonsense, who will subscribe to this? Sci-fi center? Oasis? Kools?
Such a clandestine future seem doomed from the outset.

I think you bring up a good point that hasn't been brought up in here (or if it was, I somehow missed it). What about the venue's point of view in all of this. If I was the venue, and WizKids gave me a Galactus to give away, but the only people who can get it are those who buy boosters and play in 1 game...then I would want as many people playing as possible to maximize my profit. I understand that a venue has to also consider the happiness of their customers, and that they may turn away some customers if they allow "sharking". I also understand that a business is in business to make money, and the more people they have buying boosters for a game the more money they make. And honestly, of the people advocating limiting prizes vs those who are not...who is spending the most money? I'm on the side of limiting, but I rarely buy from stores, I usually buy from Ebay. So I can see where a venue owner would not really want to cater to my preferences.

Furthermore, who does the edict serve? Is one players time more valuable than another? If so, who decides this? I live on the south side of town and as such have to travel far to play at any venue. Justin and Jack have to take the bus to attend events. Assuming we all work and have families, what is the cost to try and scramble after putting in a full work shift to make it over to your favorite venue, support said venue, vendor and envoy, spend 3+ hours on a tournament only to be told your contribution is unwanted?
"No Jack, go home! You won an LE back in April, sorry buddy", declares one anal retentive envoy.
"Sorry Roland, your to good. I know you won the Big Fig this tournie but I'm going to strip away your prize and give it to someone I deem more deserving because they for whatever reason haven't won. "

Again, since I'm only talking about mega-prizes, some of what you said doesn't apply for me. But answering "who does it serve", I would say "the majority of players". From my point of view, there were 5 mega prizes to be given away in Vegas, and if 5 different people had won them then that would maximize the customer base.

I don't think this is really a time issue, because if you know the limiting rule beforehand you should be able to plan your events accordingly. If you already have a favorite venue, wouldn't you be most likely to try to win the mega-prize there? If you already won a mega-prize but wanted to support your venue, would it be so bad to go and play anyway (with the knowledge that even if you won you wouldn't get the mega-prize)?

If everyone knew going into the tournament that they could only win 1 prize, wouldn't knowing ahead of time help you to plan on where you were going to play? It wouldn't be a surprise, and someone wouldn't say "give it back, you already won", because that is a rule that everyone would know ahead of time. I don't think anyone is saying to retroactively take the prizes away; I think we're talking about what to do in the future, if they ever offer such large prizes again.

So, in future games with figures that everyone knows will cost hundreds of dollars to buy if they don't win them - how do you feel about limiting those prizes to one per person? I'm not saying limiting the amount of tournaments you can enter to win the prize...just that once you've won one, you can't win any more.

[weaintbrightbu]

So has anyone seen the boxes for Crisis, there sweet

[Bubblehead]

Welcome weaintbright! Always glad to see another face on here!


And yes I'm actually excited to see this set, unlike Eminem which left me cold in the character selection. Wizkids could have just done so much more.....it was so disappointing.


And lookie here! It's Las Vegas' Marvel: Civil War!!!!!


Whoever says "not it" last, has to be Klor!!!!!

NOT IT! :laugh:

[Shield001]

Not it....


on a side note who is Klor? is that the cloned Thor?

as far as limiting the prizes I would only ever support a limit on the mega-prizes.

but like I said it could go either way and I would not care...

now if they did limit to you only winning 1 LE per month/week/year that would not be cool and be suktastic (I doubt that will happen however)\

the crisis art looks cool, red-hood (Jason Todd) = cool, Black Adam = cool, Old-school nightwing = not so much...

[Bubblehead]

Klor= lame plot device in Civil War


It's either that character or wussified Captain America.


Personally I think Klor was the more stupid idea.

[wintremute]

Not It!!!!!!

[squirecam]

OK looking to run this (Quoted above) scenario 11/13/07 Tuesday 5:30pm.
So any intrest in this?

Wintremute?
Squirecam?
Batsentry57? (Even though you allready have EVERYTHING!!! :rolleyes: )
Waaagh1?
Timmy?
Bret?
Quiet Storm? (could alwys use them as prize support!?!)
I promise it will be fun!

Oh and if your name wasn't on the list, you probablly work Tuesdays!!! (SHEILD,Lucky and Bad)
Please let me know! Thanks!

From the prior responses, looks like this is a no go. :(

Too bad as the DD squad would have won... :cool:

[waaagh1]

Not it. As for Sharking, it boils down to the Judges, they have to agree on a plan. Whatever you guys come up with as long as every Judge adhere's to it can and will work, with WK's permission of course. So when you guys going to have a summit?:)

February isn't coming fast enough, I've kinda lost interest in M&M, it seems so meh in comparrison, that is of course unless Howard the Duck is in it, then I may go duck hunting.....waauugh!

[Shield001]

these really made me LoL first time I saw them (still do, along with some of the other comercials)

Solomon Grundy Want Pants, Too! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGQEAiZJMco)


Legion of Doom V Power Puff Girls (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91KK09FAux4)

Wonder Woman Loses Her Keys. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiGYOAI4Jvg)

guess batman was not so prepared in the last one :laugh:

[punkrabbitt]

February isn't coming fast enough, I've kinda lost interest in M&M, it seems so meh in comparrison, that is of course unless Howard the Duck is in it, then I may go duck hunting.....waauugh!

Of what we've seem so far from M&M, I think I might want to run a Cuckoo team (but what to do for the other 100 points?) and I defintiely want NGN Hulk, but none of the other items do anything for me... maybe the Gladiator Silver Surfer, but somehow I am nit excited. Now, the new DC set has me intrigued, looks like they will be filling out the Teen Titans roster a little and that's the only DC team I care about!

[wintremute]

Am I the only one in Vegas that's excited about the upcoming M&M set? I like marvel, I like mutants, I like monsters, I like green M&Ms. This set is going to be great! Finally an Omega Red and a really powerful Apocalypse.

[Shield001]

I am excited for M+M


Metal wings Archangle... want so much....must have.....



Have I not said here that he is my number 1 most wanted clix yet to be made (don't count that ultimates piece o carp)

the rest is interesting, Hulkbuster Ironman = cool, gladiHulk = cool, Rampaging hulk NGN = :cool:, if there are any thunderbolts in this set (pennance, new venom, songbird, swordsman, moonstone) that would be uber cool

Now I really want a new songbird but I doubt I will be getting one anytime soon...

Hopefully we also get a new Magneto....

[batsentry57]

So, I just now had a chance to look at the M&M preview pieces.

Beast. Thought his Charge and continue was cool until I saw his 9 Attack and 2 Damage. Next!

Box. I like that regen ability. Probably good that it is once per round. Yikes!

Cuckoo. Ah, the innocent Catholic school girl look. That has to be worth something. Not sure what, but something!!! Maybe use a bunch for cheerleaders.

Dark Beast. Now, this guy looks cool. Of course, with my rolls, I need more life than this guy has on his dial. :(

Green Scar. What can I say? Mega testosterone. 230 points. You know who is going on my team. Oh, yeah, one green guy and a little girl wearing plaid.

Hulkbuster. Not quite Green Scar calibre, but how can you go wrong with Iron Man on steroids?

Mimic. For someone else, he may be fine. I won't play him just because he looks a little 'odd'. ;) Perhaps I'll mod a green plaid skirt onto this one.

Morph. Is it true what they say about the size of a guy's hands? I see this as a 'Jack' piece because of all that Shape Change. You know how Jack loves that Skrull garbage.

Prof X. This one looks cool to me. I like that Cerebro thing. Whats with the fingers in his ears tho? Maybe I'll add a couple of cheerleaders to his base.

Rampaging Hulk. Okay, but I like the other green guy better.

ZZZAX. I like this guy, but who the he!! is he? I thought ZZZAX was the guy who carved the number of kills into his body. :laugh:

Well, I wasn't good enough to make the "Roland" hall of fame list, so take these opinions with a huge grain of salt. :rolleyes:

[Bubblehead]

ZZZAX. I like this guy, but who the he!! is he? I thought ZZZAX was the guy who carved the number of kills into his body.





Jim, Jim, Jim. *shakes head* I'm so disappointed in you not knowing a glowing electrical monster who has fought the Hulk or Whackos numerous times against ........


Mr. Zsasz :cheeky:

who keeps his body count slashed on his body. Fights the Bat.

Not to mention the fact that they're DIFFERENT COMIC BOOK UNIVERSES!!!!!!!!!! Slacker. :p

[wintremute]

ZZZAX. I like this guy, but who the he!! is he? I thought ZZZAX was the guy who carved the number of kills into his body.





He could just glue a couple of cheerleaders to the base, and everything will be fine.

[squirecam]

He could just glue a couple of cheerleaders to the base, and everything will be fine.

Oh sure.

I bet 5 cheerleaders will be a theme team. But the DD squad...nnnooo....:mad: :angry: :cry: :(

[squirecam]

I see that a grand total of zero has signed up for the Fallon pre-release...

[wintremute]

Good ol' Fallon, we hardly knew ye.

[batsentry57]

I see that a grand total of zero has signed up for the Fallon pre-release...


Looks like they have Fallon on hard times.

[wintremute]

Looks like they have Fallon on hard times.

Maybe Jimmy set all of this up for some weirdrevive-a-carpy career reason!

http://imdb.com/name/nm0266422/

[batsentry57]

Maybe Jimmy set all of this up for some weirdrevive-a-carpy career reason!

http://imdb.com/name/nm0266422/

At first, I thought you were talking about me until I went to the link. Cute pic of Drew B. Wonder what she would look like in a green plaid skirt. Okay, kids, time to turn off the computer.

[Shield001]

Does anyone know points for sci-fi center and Kools this week, its not on WK site...

[weaintbrightbu]

If anyone is considering a pre-release i think ranchocucamunga, CA is closest

[batsentry57]

Does anyone know points for sci-fi center and Kools this week, its not on WK site...

Sorry about that, Chief. Posted now at 400 points.

[batsentry57]

If anyone is considering a pre-release i think ranchocucamunga, CA is closest

When is this? I'm too lazy to look it up. :)

[squirecam]

When is this? I'm too lazy to look it up. :)

WizKids Inc. announces a pre-release for Marvel HeroClix®: Mutations and Monsters scheduled on November 17, 2007, at select WizKids registered venues! HeroClix fans can see and play the Mutations and Monsters set before it releases to the general public on November 21, 2007!


4 Color Fantasies
7172 Archibald Ave

Rancho Cucamonga CA 91701 USA
chris@4colorfantasies.com
909-563-8751

[batsentry57]

4 Color Fantasies
7172 Archibald Ave
Rancho Cucamonga CA 91701 USA


Hmmmmm, Mapquest shows this location is only 3.5 hours from my house. :cool:

Thanks for the info Charles.

[wintremute]

WizKids Inc. announces a pre-release for Marvel HeroClix®: Mutations and Monsters scheduled on November 17, 2007, at select WizKids registered venues! HeroClix fans can see and play the Mutations and Monsters set before it releases to the general public on November 21, 2007!


4 Color Fantasies
7172 Archibald Ave

Rancho Cucamonga CA 91701 USA
chris@4colorfantasies.com
909-563-8751


That's not a real place, it's one of those made up places that you hear in Bugs Bunny cartoons, like Walla Walla or Albuquerque.

[Bubblehead]

It's down the 15 after Victorville.

[squirecam]

at least folks have signed up at this venue (4)

[squirecam]

Hmmmmm, Mapquest shows this location is only 3.5 hours from my house. :cool:

Thanks for the info Charles.

So you'll bring me back a booster and BFC, correct ?? :)

[batsentry57]

So you'll bring me back a booster and BFC, correct ?? :)

If I go. you got it.

[wintremute]

Happy Halloween!!!!!!

[waaagh1]

Happy Nevada Day!!!

[batsentry57]

And a Very Merry Unbirthday To You!!!

[waaagh1]

Ok so did everyone check out the new Organized Play FAQ?

[Shield001]

I did, I hope those casual events still get prizes when they go by the WK guidelines, which if I understand it right it would seem to.

I wonder how judge prizes will be affected....

[Shield001]

Ultimate cheese (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=212968&highlight=ultimate+cheese)

maybe, maybe not, Structureal integrity field (http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/dc/figuregallery.asp?unitid=13380)doess seem nasty with barrier

[squirecam]

I did, I hope those casual events still get prizes when they go by the WK guidelines, which if I understand it right it would seem to.

I wonder how judge prizes will be affected....

I dont think so.

I read it as 8 or more = LE

Less than 8 = prizes during marketing/promo events only.

Overall
• There are now three different kinds of events: Casual Events, Competitive Events, and Premier Events.

• Additional “rewards” and “prizes” will be available, based on recorded
participation in WizKids events.

No problem here. Three types of events. Prizes are event based...

2a. What is a Casual event?
A Casual event is an event with less than 8 people; or an event with no Judge; or a pickup/league game between two or more people at an approved venue. Many present ‘venue supported’ events would fall under this category, and the majority of all current WizKids organized play events qualify as Casual events.

While the “rewards” for a Casual event are not as involved as for other WizKids events, the results are every bit as valid.

90% of the events I attend are now casual. Ok...now what "rewards"...


2b. What is a Competitive event?
A Competitive event is a tournament with 8 or more players run by a qualified Judge separate from the Event Organizer. Many (but not all) Competitive events will additionally be WizKids Supported Events; meaning that WizKids may provide additional prize support, typically in the form of Limited Edition (LE) game pieces.


Ok, so only competitive events are WK supported events.

3. Is Prize Support Still Free?
Prizes for WizKids-Supported events (those events scheduled according to a specific “template” presented as part of the monthly event season) will still be available as they have been in the past.

Other events may have expanded prize support, based on additional
qualifications such as size of the event, participation in special marketing programs, and special promotional events (to name just a few)

More than 8....LE. (A WK supported event)

Less than 8 (not a WK supported event)...maybe, but only when in marketing/promo mode. Otherwise, not likely.

Sounds pretty clear to me.....Unless you get 8 or better...no guaranteed prize support...

[Shield001]

yes but

WizKids-Supported events (those those events scheduled according to a specific “template” presented as part of the monthly event season

it does not say that casual games cannot be scheduled in such a way.

so you can have a casual WK supported event.

Thats also why they say being downgraded from competitive to casual is not a penalty. No LE would be a penalty....

Also it just says that all competitive events are WK events it does not say that all casual events are not WK events. Some will be if posted correctly to their guidelines...


on the same token if you and a friend play a game at your local store you wont be sent an LE when the even gets reported. You will get rank points or whatever they are going to call it.

[squirecam]

Thats also why they say being downgraded from competitive to casual is not a penalty. No LE would be a penalty....


Competitive events are Rated and Ranked, with a rewards system based on the number of participants. An event that is scheduled as a Competitive event, but does not attract at least 8 players (as described in the Organized Play Program document), will be reclassified as a Casual event. THIS IS NOT A PENALTY, but rather a recognition that
not all events carry the same “weight” within the system.

Let me restate this...

Competitive events = rewards based upon # of players. We recognize that casual play <8. We know this takes away your LE, but we are not "penalizing you'...just we are only "rewarding" larger groups.

Note to all : Anytime someone says:

1) "This is not a penalty"... it is a penalty.
2) "It's not you... it's me." It was you.
3) "I mailed it last week"... I'll mail it next week.
4) "We have to let you go."....Your fired !!!

This has been your "straight talk express" update for today...

[wintremute]

2b. What is a Competitive event?
A Competitive event is a tournament with 8 or more players run by a qualified Judge separate from the Event Organizer. Many (but not all) Competitive events will additionally be WizKids Supported Events; meaning that WizKids may provide additional prize support, typically in the form of Limited Edition (LE) game pieces.

Why do they word it as "additional" then, which makes it sound like it's in addition to regular prize support.

[Shield001]

Let me restate this...

Competitive events = rewards based upon # of players. We recognize that casual play <8. We know this takes away your LE, but we are not "penalizing you'...just we are only "rewarding" larger groups.

Note to all : Anytime someone says:

1) "This is not a penalty"... it is a penalty.
2) "It's not you... it's me." It was you.
3) "I mailed it last week"... I'll mail it next week.
4) "We have to let you go."....Your fired !!!

This has been your "straight talk express" update for today...

I think they are talking about those rank points, you get more for the bigger events. but the base prizes are the same.

at least thats what I am hopeing for, we have not even see nthe official rules for it yet, this is just he FAQ. Its a little confuseing that they are answering questions we have not asked yet... :laugh:

I still think that even with this wording casual events run under the guidelines of WK will be supported with prizes.

And what i ment to say was

all competitive events are WK events

but not all WK events are competitive

but we just have to wait and hope and see......

[squirecam]

2b. What is a Competitive event?
A Competitive event is a tournament with 8 or more players run by a qualified Judge separate from the Event Organizer. Many (but not all) Competitive events will additionally be WizKids Supported Events; meaning that WizKids may provide additional prize support, typically in the form of Limited Edition (LE) game pieces.

Why do they word it as "additional" then, which makes it sound like it's in addition to regular prize support.

Prior to today...

venue supported = venue provides prize
WK supported = WK may give LE in addition to any venue prize.

Nothing changes...except only competitive events are WK supported. Which means only competitive events = LE's.

[squirecam]

I still think that even with this wording casual events run under the guidelines of WK will be supported with prizes.



If casual always = LE prizes, under the casual events it would have stated you get an LE.

But that was reserved for Competitive events.

Casual events are NOT classified as WK supported. If they are not WK supported, they will NOT generally get an LE...

(unless in marketing/promo mode, as in the other paragraph)

[Shield001]

Im not saying casual always = LE.

Just that it can if you go by the WK guidelines


WizKids-Supported events (those those events scheduled according to a specific “template” presented as part of the monthly event season

[squirecam]

While this may seem confusing, it is an important distinction to the database as to how your event is treated. Further, the “separation” is necessary to accommodate Competitive and Premier event sanctioning, which will be available in the near future. In all respects, the two types of events (venue-supported and casual) are exactly identical, and will set up your event with the default characteristics for the chosen game line. Casual Event (as described in the recent WizKids OP Program announcements) is considered to be the “default” status of any newly scheduled organized play event.

From the new post...

Casual = VENUE supported event

[batsentry57]

FYI, at the WK Judges Forum, judges from around the world (one posting from Norway) are as confused as you are. :tired:

[waaagh1]

I think that they are going to expand their prize support to cardboard and event dials for Casual events and give out LE's for Competitive events in addtition to the cardboard and dials. That's what I get out of it, it's almost a way to prevent the misuse of LE's being handed out to one or two people that show up, also it forces the Venues to account for the WK supported prizes, i.e. less LE's showing up on ebay by stores.

To be honest I prefer stuff like cardboard and event dials that can be handed out as prizes, less sharking involved and they make the game fun again. LE's are restrictive for usage, keywords and availability.

[squirecam]

To be honest I prefer stuff like cardboard and event dials that can be handed out as prizes, less sharking involved and they make the game fun again. LE's are restrictive for usage, keywords and availability.

When judges quit due to the time commitment for no LE, you will change your mind...

[wintremute]

When judges quit due to the time commitment for no LE, you will change your mind...

Judges don't get anything for their time! They do it out of the goodness in their hearts!

[Shield001]

yeah sure......


All that is going to do is raise the price of LEs and make more of them show up on ebay just because they are valuable since I'm guessing most venues dont get more than 8 players ...

it will probably mean we will have to change the times of our venues tourneys so 8 people can make each one.

I still hope they don't restict LE's that much, or if they do I hope they all suk.

[batsentry57]

it will probably mean we will have to change the times of our venues tourneys so 8 people can make each one.


The dates and times already vary - no two conflict. The problem is that we all have unique timing needs and having the number of venues that we do only allows for fitting into the lifestyles of our "not so rich and famous" players. If we deleted two venues and condensed to one (since Kools is already going the way of the dodo), the one venue's time slot still could not accommodate everyone's particular needs and the venue would most likely STILL get fewer than 8 players and be relegated to "casual" play w/o an LE. If WK does away with prize support for "casual" gaming, non-supported nights are already lightly populated, so I can see perhaps attendance dropping to one or two die-hard players, which will become tiresome and kill group gaming here. If players are going to play for no chance at an LE, why not stay home and play with friends and have no LE support rather than spending money for gas?

[batsentry57]

Oh, BTW, on a side note, today generally sucks. Our dog died last night, so we started the day at the pet crematorium and then a kid backed his truck into my wife's new car at the DMV - of course, no damage to his vehicle. :tired:

[Shield001]

becuase I dont have any firends :cry: there I said, happy now?


seriously though I would we could still find a place to get together... I love playing this game but I dont expcet someone to run the game for free, maybe those Dark Tower guys have the right idea, we know they aint getting any WK prize support. thye just show up and play (at least I think they are still playing over there)

I will admit it is always nice to get an LE though.... and so help them if they make an LE Archangle that is sweet...

the regular one is 95 points has the Fly-by ability (charge plus you can keep moving if you have any left). I hope he has BCF (or decent damge 3+ ) on the same click but he porbably wont....



ouch, sorry about you dog.how old was he?.. 4-5 years ago we had to put our dog down because she got to old and was suffering (had lots of problems...) my mom had her for 18 years ....

[wintremute]

Oh, BTW, on a side note, today generally sucks. Our dog died last night, so we started the day at the pet crematorium and then a kid backed his truck into my wife's new car at the DMV - of course, no damage to his vehicle. :tired:


I'm very sorry to hear how awful your day has become. I was going to make a joke referring to your previous post asking what time we should all come over and who should bring the soda...but I see you're not in the mood for company. I hope your weekend improves.

[batsentry57]

ouch, sorry about you dog.how old was he?.. 4-5 years ago we had to put our dog down because she got to old and was suffering (had lots of problems...) my mom had her for 18 years ....

Penny was about 17 years old which is typical for a medium size dog - she had a good life. The last two weeks, you could really see that she was going down hill. Bummer that she couldn't make it to Thanksgiving. Since we knew it was coming, we wanted our kids to have a chance to say goodbye.

[batsentry57]

I was going to make a joke referring to your previous post asking what time we should all come over and who should bring the soda...

I've been wanting to set up something at my house for casual play the past two years, but it has not materialized. I'll keep trying to set something up though for some Saturday (so you'll have no excuse!).

[waaagh1]

Sorry to hear about your dog Jim, and your wife's car.

Like I've said before somewhere if you play the game just to get LE's then maybe you should reprioritize why you play the game in the first place. I care not for LE's, sure it's a collectable game, but I try to reign in my "Gotta catch 'em all" emotions, usually quite well too. If the venues have to cough up eight solid true existing players to get the LE's or "good" LE's this will prevent venues getting free ####e from WK, just because they are an approved venue, to turn around and automatically put the LE's up on ebay. When I see ebay stores listing LE's it just sickens me because I know they are either, running events and giving away carpy prizes or not running events at all and auto listing the LE's for pure profit at WK's expense. I do have to admit it's a slap to the judges' face if they have to run 8 man events in order to be eligible for compensation. I'm the Demo Coordinator for Dark Age Games, we pay out $7.50 per hour in product to our demo guys for their effort, regardless the amount of players they demo to.

As for shrinking down the venues, in theory it's a good idea, to be honest the 12pm on sat at Kools was the best time and place for me, so it's looking like I may stop playing after all because of lack of a convinent venue to participate at.:( This reflects nothing against all the other judges btw, just time and location.

[batsentry57]

As for shrinking down the venues, in theory it's a good idea, to be honest the 12pm on sat at Kools was the best time and place for me, so it's looking like I may stop playing after all because of lack of a convinent venue to participate at.:( This reflects nothing against all the other judges btw, just time and location.

This was my point about the venues and shrinking the pool. All players have time constraints. Kools catered to a particular group. By going out of business, that group will not migrate to another venue to continue playing. If two other venues discontinue running games, those players frequenting the closed venues would likewise not migrate. So, in the end, there could be only one venue, but still with only fewer than the requisite 8 for LE support. Ergo, all venues should continue to run games as this won't affect any venue/judge from receiving LE support and this will allow the maximum number of players to pick a convenient venue.

Gotta run now. Friday night fights at Sci Fi Center start in an hour.

[squirecam]

Kools catered to a particular group. By going out of business, that group will not migrate to another venue to continue playing.



I see.. but Kools is right by the Sci-Fi center.

Sci-Fi could potentially pick up those numbers...

[waaagh1]

I see.. but Kools is right by the Sci-Fi center.

Sci-Fi could potentially pick up those numbers...

If Jim were to do 12pm events I would go there instead of Kools:cheeky:

[batsentry57]

If Jim were to do 12pm events I would go there instead of Kools:cheeky:

Under consideration. As long as Kools was running at noon on Saturday, it made no sense to go head-to-head against that venue. Since Kools is closing, and not reopening by latest intel, I may fill that void since it appears to be a popular time slot for many players.

[batsentry57]

Charles (squirecam) was the only player showing this evening at the Sci-Fi Center, so he and I sat down for a couple of games. He ran an all giant team (excluding the late addition of the Jarvis pog), which included Rita Farr, Giganta (trend from the DD squad?), Colossal Boy and Atom Smasher. I threw together some loose pieces in my box - Stardust, Batman (JL), FF Vet Hawkeye, good ol' Rookie Domino and Rookie Jean. Stardust Kicks major arse. Charles walked home with the LE Roland Desmond and I ended my dismal day on a pleasant note.

BTW, Charles, I checked the list of Theme Teams and "GIANT" is not among them.

[squirecam]

BTW, Charles, I checked the list of Theme Teams and "GIANT" is not among them.

No...but it should be. :)

BTW, Rita and Giganta are the DDD sisters. :cheeky:

[wintremute]

Stardust licks major arse.


is that good or bad?

[batsentry57]

is that good or bad?

:laugh: :laugh: Too, too funny! Thanks for starting my day off with a hearty laugh. The K and L keys are adjacent and I goofed up - fixed my post. Anyway, Stardust rocks.

[unsung hero]

Under consideration. As long as Kools was running at noon on Saturday, it made no sense to go head-to-head against that venue. Since Kools is closing, and not reopening by latest intel, I may fill that void since it appears to be a popular time slot for many players.
HEY NOW!!!:angry:
Don't be steppin on my toes Homeboy! I already stated that I would take over the Saturday timeslot the DAY Rolland put it up on the Realms! So I guess it's only fair to put it up to a player vote (when Kools closes) to which event the players would like to go to.

Keep in mind that the Old Man has "Chores" to do on Saturdays and I don't!:eek:

And for those that care...
There are only 2 starros here in town!:disappoin

[batsentry57]

HEY NOW!!!:angry:
Don't be steppin on my toes Homeboy! I already stated that I would take over the Saturday timeslot the DAY Rolland put it up on the Realms! So I guess it's only fair to put it up to a player vote (when Kools closes) to which event the players would like to go to.

This is NOT a contest. :classic: I never heard anything about you wanting to take over the Saturday noon slot and just thought it would be nice if someone filled that void - I was just offering my services for the good of the group. You can have it if the players from Kools want to go to LSOM - makes no difference to me since I do have other things to do on the weekend. If the players need a place more centrally located, then the Sci-Fi Center is the more logical venue location for that time slot to cater to the largest segment of the Clix population. If it turns out that the group would prefer that scene, I am willing to be present and would certainly welcome joint judge participation to allow more flexibility in my schedule.

It would be nice to hear comments from the group so the best solution for this gaming community can be determined. :cool:

[punkrabbitt]

Really, Monday or Tuesday night would be best for me... if there were events starting at 6PM, I could pop in a couple of times a month. Not that I am all that hip on organized events, but it would be nice to have the opportunity without having to take vacation days from work ;)

[waaagh1]

Well I'm not opposed to events held at either LSoM or SciFi only if they are held at the 12pm time slot, Kools is 20 mins away, LSoM is 30 mins away, sometimes that extra 10 mins makes a huge difference.

BTW talked to Carl today, they may not wind up selling the store after all........

Plus youse judges need to convience Don what Ignore and Cancel really do mean..;)

[Shield001]

I could make 12pm evens at LSOM on saturday :)

its real close to where I work that would be super great for me :cool:

[unsung hero]

Really, Monday or Tuesday night would be best for me... if there were events starting at 6PM, I could pop in a couple of times a month. Not that I am all that hip on organized events, but it would be nice to have the opportunity without having to take vacation days from work ;)
So If I change the start time to 6ish, you can make Tuesdays?
Would defintely welcome any players at this point!

[unsung hero]

Well,Well, Well....How the mighty have fallen! This means that Don won't have a Venue (snicker!:laugh: ) and Maybe the Magic Shop will become the NEW Saturday hangout for estranged gamers???


Just throwing it out there!
Oh and Jimbo here is a copy of my post on 10/06/07 saying I throw my hat in the ring to be the Saturday venue. And by the way you posted two posts later!!!

[unsung hero]

Lets try a new thumbnail...


This is going to be the NUMBER ONE MUST SHOOT-ON-TURN-ONE Object!!!
So Jimbo, you get to keep your Dumpster while I shoot the Disruptor!

Unless I outwit your Superstrength and then shoot the Dumpster out from under ya!:laugh:

[New Jeff]

Thursday November 8:

300 point Theme Team

[unsung hero]

Thursday November 8:

300 point Theme Team
Theme Teams??? Might have to come to this one!

[batsentry57]

Oh and Jimbo here is a copy of my post on 10/06/07 saying I throw my hat in the ring to be the Saturday venue. And by the way you posted two posts later!!!

Okay, Jeff, you won - you were right and I forgot. I can't believe you went back four weeks worth of posts to prove you were right. Hope that makes you feel better.

While it is the Envoy's job to promote HC and other WK games, I don't understand your position. On the one hand, you want to be the kingpin of Saturday noontime gaming and one player mentions he would like gaming on Tuesdays at 6 PM and then you are willing to hold on to that slot if he'll come play in your sandbox. Unless you've made a pact with WK or the devil, this won't work. I'm going to reread the Envoy description - I don't recall it saying someone has to become a prostitute for WK. In any case, pick a day already and I will select a non-conflicting time. :tired:

[punkrabbitt]

So If I change the start time to 6ish, you can make Tuesdays?
Would defintely welcome any players at this point!

A couple of times a month, yeah. But not until the New Year, I am pretty booked with family until then. I will be at NGN Tuesday after Thanksgiving with my g/f and kids.

[squirecam]

Okay, Jeff, you won - you were right and I forgot. I can't believe you went back four weeks worth of posts to prove you were right. Hope that makes you feel better.

While it is the Envoy's job to promote HC and other WK games, I don't understand your position. On the one hand, you want to be the kingpin of Saturday noontime gaming and one player mentions he would like gaming on Tuesdays at 6 PM and then you are willing to hold on to that slot if he'll come play in your sandbox. Unless you've made a pact with WK or the devil, this won't work. I'm going to reread the Envoy description - I don't recall it saying someone has to become a prostitute for WK. In any case, pick a day already and I will select a non-conflicting time. :tired:

OK...let us all not hulk smash on each other. It's been one anti-love fest since Starro, and really this is non-productive...

I think what COULD be of use is people post here stating their side of town, and their preference/ability to travel for events.

If 4-5 people would play Sat, but could only play at kools/sci-fi, then having a noon event at LSOM wont help much...

For me personally, travel is not an issue. So either venue works for me.

I do note though, that I owe Bats and cheese-dust a whipping.....

[punkrabbitt]

I am good Monday or Tuesday nights at 6Pm or later at Comic Oasis or LSOM. I can show up every other week starting in January.

[batsentry57]

If 4-5 people would play Sat, but could only play at kools/sci-fi, then having a noon event at LSOM wont help much...

This was the original intent.

For me personally, travel is not an issue. So either venue works for me.

True for you and Brian. Apparently works for Justin (Shield001) as well. I don't think Saturdays at LSOM works for the Mute of Wintre, but he has yet to chime in. The Sat noon thing does not appear to help Punk Rabbit either, but Sat at either location is a moot point. Since others tend to be silent, the preponderance of evidence tends to favor that LSOM should be the new Sat noon location and I am fine with that as I never had an intention to step on anyone's toes. Of course, that still does not address how Jeff plans to run both Tuesday night and Saturday noon events in the same week.

I do note though, that I owe Bats and cheese-dust a whipping.....

Bring it on o' Squire of the Cam.

[batsentry57]

Hey, Dave, does this Hollywood strike affect you? Have any free time to visit?

[squirecam]

Bring it on o' Squire of the Cam.

The DDD squad has only begun to fight...

only it wont be the DDD (or DD) squad this time. :cool:

Your comeuppance is coming...

[wintremute]

... the Mute of Wintre, but he has yet to chime in.


It's almost winter....I'm practicing.

Here's my situation: I live near the intersection of Flamingo and Maryland Parkway.

Sunday night through Friday Afternoon I probably won't make much of anything.

Friday evening (after dinner) through Sunday afternoon are the only possible times I would be able to make it to something. Even on the weekends I may get called in to fix a problem (one of the "perks" of being the boss).

So for me, the closest place that has a time I can make it is the most likely location I would attend (how Kool's thus fit the bill).

However, as full as my schedule is, and as much as 10 weeks of Galactus/Starro wore me down, don't depend on me as being a regular anywhere except here in these forums. I'm going to start trying to make more events, but at the same time I haven't played clix at home with my friends since Galactus began.

I agree with Cam of the Squire, there does appear to be a lot of sniping going on here. It's almost Thanksgiving, let's start being thankful.

[Shield001]

Apparently works for Justin (Shield001) as well.

Bat of the Sentry57 ,

LSOM work for me but transportation is an issue for me. Old Jeff may like bussing it all over town but its not my cup of tea. :laugh:

Seriously, though if I had the day off I could go to either one but I know I can't get Saturday off regularly. LSOM is on the way to work thats why I could make a noon game there on Saturday.


We got some new previews for M+M here (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?&t=213372)

all the Pogs feats + BFCs + 2 figures ShaterStar and Ahab

Ahab has RS and built in trick shot with Psy-Blast but his stats are average (:m-boot:8 :a-fist: 9 :d-normal: 17 :g-starburst: 2 :bolt: 8)

some very cool feats nice and cheap

11 point pog with outwit....! of THANK GOD it requires a power action for him to use it, however on a 1 brick tentpole team he will be usefull since you probably wont be useing all your actions anyway....

[Bad6423]

I'm back on a 9 to grind schedule so I'll probably start heading on back to Oasis to support QuietStorm.

Lemme get this right, is Kools officially closed/haulted tournaments? What day do you do yours Jimbo?

[batsentry57]

I'm back on a 9 to grind schedule so I'll probably start heading on back to Oasis to support QuietStorm.

Lemme get this right, is Kools officially closed/haulted tournaments? What day do you do yours Jimbo?

I just did my last Friday night gig, unless WK mandates another weekend only type event series. I'm moving to Wednesday night. The first deal is the NGN/M&M Sealed on 11/28.

[waaagh1]

Kool's is not closing anytime soon. Karl said that the deal may not go through after all. I think it's safe to say that kool's is good through Nov, maybe even Dec.

[wintremute]

Kool's is not closing anytime soon. Karl said that the deal may not go through after all. I think it's safe to say that kool's is good through Nov, maybe even Dec.


That's kool.




BWAHAHAHAHHHAAAHAHAHAHAHA

[weaintbrightbu]

No More Friday Night With Jim. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[weaintbrightbu]

And Believe it or not Im serious.

[unsung hero]

Okay, Jeff, you won - you were right and I forgot. I can't believe you went back four weeks worth of posts to prove you were right. Hope that makes you feel better.


Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy. :cry: Sorry I pushed your buttons man. Won't do it again.

Actually, I just went to Rollands posts as it was on the top of his page (faster).

Really, REALLY tired of people putting words in my mouth!:tired: Or extrapillating on what was said. I never suggested that I would run Tuesdays AND Saturdays. Why would I do that? How could I do that?

Obviously, we can assume that Kool's is GONNA STAY OPEN! So this coversation is moot! Not sure I am gonna stay an Envoy with how we are constantly getting more and more taken away from us! Whats next? We gotta PAY TO BE AN ENVOY?

Again sorry I personally wronged you Jim. Thouhght our conversation Saturday coverd all this? Guess not.

[New Jeff]

As of 12/1/07:

I will be running games at the following times at Comic Oasis:

Sunday 3:00
Monday 5:30
Tuesday 6:00
Wednesday 6:30
Thursday 6:00
Friday 5:30
Saturday 12:00

[wintremute]

As of 12/1/07:

I will be running games at the following times at Comic Oasis:

Sunday 3:00
Monday 5:30
Tuesday 6:00
Wednesday 6:30
Thursday 6:00
Friday 5:30
Saturday 12:00

Can you do two games on Saturday and Sunday, and an extra game every Tuesday of every other week?

[punkrabbitt]

As of 12/1/07:

I will be running games at the following times at Comic Oasis:

Sunday 3:00
Monday 5:30
Tuesday 6:00
Wednesday 6:30
Thursday 6:00
Friday 5:30
Saturday 12:00

Should we register for events we will be attending? What will be the formats of those events?

[squirecam]

Should we register for events we will be attending? What will be the formats of those events?

I heard Jeff will buy the Wednesday winner a 2007 Galactus. The thursday winner gets a starro...

[wintremute]

I heard Jeff will buy the Wednesday winner a 2007 Galactus. The thursday winner gets a starro...


I don't think the Wednesday winner should be allowed to play for the Thursday prize. :p

[squirecam]

I don't think the Wednesday winner should be allowed to play for the Thursday prize. :p

After I win the galactus.....I'll think about it.:laugh:

[Shield001]

:laugh:

insanity :confused:


:laugh:

[batsentry57]

Not sure I am gonna stay an Envoy with how we are constantly getting more and more taken away from us! Whats next? We gotta PAY TO BE AN ENVOY?

I think this is the ultimate plan.

Me? I'm starting to buy the Pirate ship game pieces - I like those little buggers. Anyone care to join me? :) It's a happier place out there on the open seas.

[squirecam]

I think this is the ultimate plan.

Me? I'm starting to buy the Pirate ship game pieces - I like those little buggers. Anyone care to join me? :) It's a happier place out there on the open seas.

Nope.

HC and HrC is it for me.

No Halo. No pirates. No MK. :classic:

[squirecam]

To those who care...

http://www.wizkidsgames.com/eventdetail.asp?eventid=726088

Fallon has 2 signups for the pre-release

7 for Rancho C...

http://www.wizkidsgames.com/eventdetail.asp?eventid=726178

[squirecam]

So I'm flipping through the channels, and justice league unlimited comes on. Wonderwoman needs to carry atom through some spider robots. So where does she put him?

Yep, da cleavage....

Since my day....Cartoons have changed....:o :grin: :speechles :cheeky:

[unsung hero]

So who is all going to Oasis Thursday?

[LuckyMusolino]

Just wanted to let everyone know that another one of our ranks has become an eBay seller. It started with the Arms Dealer and now Timmy Free has decided to move some of his leftovers.

His eBay handle is tangefree (http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZtangefreeQQssPageNameZSTRKQ3aMEFSQ3aMESOI). Check out his auctions. Give him some love, lend some advice, and give some feedback on the listings.

[unsung hero]

ATTENTION JIMMY AND NEW JEFFY:
The FAQ has been updated. Nothing REAL "game altering" here.
If you wanted to just print the updated pages (rather than print the whole thing) Here is a list of the relevent pages:

DC E&Q: pages 3,6 8 and 11.
MARVEL E&C: 3,9 & 10.
GENERAL E&C: 1,5 & 6.
HEROCLIX FAQ: 1,2 & 20.

Only Human so double check if this is correct (any document in RED is new).

[squirecam]

So did anyone (seriously) decide to attend a pre-release??

[Shield001]

UPDATE SCI-FI CENTER NEW TIME

Every Wednesday, The Sci Fi Center 5:30pm (Free except for sealed/draft)

[Shield001]

I liked star wars CMG by WK, quick and fun

I will be at Oasis thursday.

Any significant rules changes with the FAQ?

[weaintbrightbu]

So does that mean that this week there is no Friday tourny.

[squirecam]

So does that mean that this week there is no Friday tourny.

No sci-fi events until NGN night.

[waaagh1]

So did anyone (seriously) decide to attend a pre-release??

Not jazzed by this set at all, so I'll pass on the pre-release and buying a brick. There are a few figs that have caught my eye, but it does not thrill me like the JL set did. Crisis in Feb FTW!

[unsung hero]

Not jazzed by this set at all, so I'll pass on the pre-release and buying a brick. There are a few figs that have caught my eye, but it does not thrill me like the JL set did. Crisis in Feb FTW!
I hear ya (DC fanboy :laugh: ) about the 2 SR's we've seen so far BITE BIG TIME! Not liking either version of Iron Man (so far!):disappoin

However, I Do like the cards we have seen from this set. :devious: Quite evil!

[squirecam]

I hear ya (DC fanboy :laugh: ) about the 2 SR's we've seen so far BITE BIG TIME! Not liking either version of Iron Man (so far!):disappoin

However, I Do like the cards we have seen from this set. :devious: Quite evil!

I like the hulkbuster, and many of the mutants we've seen. (Prof X, box, cuckoo's dark beast, etc). Agree that zombie IM sucks...

For those going to Oasis tonignt, I know it's theme teams. Are folks being those power teams, or can the DD squad come out to play?? :cool:

FTR, I have an actual theme team, "fun/weak" though it may be. I just wanted to see how many were going to bump the power curve tonight...

[Shield001]

I am running The Thunder Flight (it the T-bolts but with the Alpha flight ATA instead of Thunder Bolts, so I am not cheeseing it up this week, my only other feat is vendetta on Bullseye.

I a mactually trying to use the teams from my articles (that I have not used before).

But you have to use Keywords so unless the Double Ds are all share a keyword its a no-go....

maybe next week we bring fun teams with a theme rather than keyword teams? I have always wanted to do a superapes team even though I lack a red ghost...

[Shield001]

OH know I just realized both Iron mans are SR :(......

The Zombie Iron man is good for a monster keyword team, Taxi and Perplex for 70...

[Shield001]

Option 3 of Telekinesis cannot be used to make an attack using an object held by the character using
Telekinesis.


who has TK and Super Strength

[squirecam]

Option 3 of Telekinesis cannot be used to make an attack using an object held by the character using
Telekinesis.


who has TK and Super Strength

Big Barda Duo.

Except BB can choose to turn off SS, thus using TK.

I think this is where you are going Charles...?

Yes, Big Barda & Mr. Miracle, Hulkbuster AND Mimic CAN CANCEL Green Lantern 796, Weapons as big as the fight and Mimicry-Respectively (thereby cancelling Super Strength and droping said object). This was talked about on the BB & MM thread.

Interesting...:noid:

[batsentry57]

FTR, I have an actual theme team, "fun/weak" though it may be. I just wanted to see how many were going to bump the power curve tonight...

Are you kidding??!!! This is Vegas, Baby! :devious:

[squirecam]

Are you kidding??!!! This is Vegas, Baby! :devious:

I know you, cheese-dust, follow this rule. :laugh:

I just wanted to see if the others will. :squareeye

[weaintbrightbu]

Is it just me or does that new beast look like a coked out drag queen on a gender-bending come down

[wintremute]

Does anyone in town sell the ID Rings, or will I have to buy them online?

http://www.google.com/products?q=heroclix+id+rings&btnG=Search+Products

[unsung hero]

Does anyone in town sell the ID Rings, or will I have to buy them online?

http://www.google.com/products?q=heroclix+id+rings&btnG=Search+Products
I know when Dreamland was open they had them.:rolleyes:
Not sure Oasis has them (doubt it).
Kool's doesn't
LSOM could order them!:grin:

[Shield001]

50-50 JL next week at oasis

Half of the team must be from the JL set

Point total: 500 so 250+ must be from JL

Oh and in case you wanted to know the teams this week we had
(300 point Keyword theme)

Jak: Hydra
Baron Struker
Red Skull
Crossbones + Ambush
V hydra officer
E hydra technician (actually got to use support !)


squirecam (Charles): Future

Sentinal
Dream girl
Col Logan
Shrinking Violet

Kid whose name I dont know (sorry to him)
Starro Green arrow
Starro Green Lantern + Indominable (+2 def againts incap and MC)
Starro Green Flash + Pummel
Starro Green Aquaman (decked my Mach-4 with a gas tank and it hurt)

ME: Thunder Bolts
Cit V + Alpha Flight
E Techno + Alpha Flight
V Mach-4 + Alpha Flight
V bullseye + Vendetta

(kind of funny becaue I could have every fig get plus one againts a single fig :laugh:)

Vendetta KOs
Flash (reminded him too much of Dare Devil)
Sentinal (Because it looked at him funny)
Baron Struker got away....

[squirecam]

Well, if you believe in such spoilers...M&M is completed....

The character selection...meh....

1. Marvel Girl - 40 pts (First Class)
2. Cyclops - 50 pts (First Class)
3. Beast - 50 pts (First Class)
4. Iceman - 60 pts (First Class)
5. Strong Guy - 124 pts
6. Pete Wisdom - 33 pts
7. Brood - 49 pts
8. Box - 125 pts
9. Cuckoo - 40 pts
10. Maverick - 63 pts
11. Dazzler - 48 pts
12. Colossus - 158 pts
13. Agent Brand - 44 pts
14. Bishop - 100 pts
15. The Hood - 28 pts
16. Miek - 60 pts
17. Hulk - 143 pts (Gray with tattered shirt. First Apperance?)
18. Korg - 82 pts
19. Absorbing Man - 184 pts
20. Morph - 90 pts
21. Mimic - 148 pts
22. Gorgon - 110 points (Yay! Now where's Triton?)
23. Cyclops - 75 pts (AoA)
24. Shatterstar - 57 pts
25. Zaxx - 126 pts
26. Chamber - 45 pts
27. Beast - 73 pts
28. Giant Man - 97 pts (Zombie, and he really is eating the Black Panther)
29. Iceman - 100 pts
30. X-23 - 35 pts
31. Professor X - 131 pts
32. Gambit - 90 pts
33. Green Scar - 230 pts
34. Archangel - 95 pts
35. Ahab - 88 pts
36. Fabian Cortez - 61 pts
37. Jean Grey - 90 pts (AoA)
38. Omega Red - 124 pts (Whoo Hoo!)
39. Danger - 124 pts
40. Devil Dinosaur and Moon Boy - 151 pts
41. Spiderman - 41 pts (Zombie)
42. Unus the Untouchable - 90 pts
43. Black Tom Cassidy - 55 pts
44. The Leader - 116 pts
45. High Evoloutionary - 143 pts
46. Arcade - 86 pts
47. Super Adaptoid - 143 pts (Classic Look)
48. The Wrecker - 230 pts (That's right, 230 pts!)
49. Cassandra Nova - 142 pts
50. Hulkbuster - 165 pts
51. Silver Savage - 96 pts
52. Mastermind - 117 pts
53. Emma Frost - 107 pts
54. Living Monolith - 104
55. Iron Man - 70 pts (Zombie)
56. Wolverine - 148 pts (Zombie) (he's a flyer, possibly Power Cosmic TA)
57. Storm - 100 pts (Mohawk and black leather version)
58. Warskrull - 110 pts
59. Apocalypse - 250 pts
60. Maestro - 195 pts
61. Dark Beast - 69 pts
62. Rampaging Hulk - 128 pts

[New Jeff]

I just wanted to thank all of you who took your fellow players feelings into account and started blind boxing spoilers. I love to open fresh cases without knowing everything that might be in them..... It's like a little Christmas 3-4 times a year.

Thank You!

[squirecam]

I just wanted to thank all of you who took your fellow players feelings into account and started blind boxing spoilers. I love to open fresh cases without knowing everything that might be in them..... It's like a little Christmas 3-4 times a year.

Thank You!

NP

But I thought the inclusion of Captain EO was a bit much....:grin:

[batsentry57]

So, why are there 62 characters listed in the spoiler box? I thought the standard sets from Avengers on were to have 60 figs. Does this list include NGN and Brick mail-in figs?

[squirecam]

So, why are there 62 characters listed in the spoiler box? I thought the standard sets from Avengers on were to have 60 figs. Does this list include NGN and Brick mail-in figs?

Yes. NGN hulk and Dark Beast (BIBTB) are 61 and 62.

^^Not really spoiling anything there ^^.

[Shield001]

I Love the charater selection

my primary concern is the Stats the figs, but especially on you know who ;)

I am becomeing a bigger X-fan thoguh I will not be buying 8 weeks of X-titles (mesiah complex). I will stick with Uncanny and any one shots and I will probably pick up the last issue of the arc.

After seeing the stats on Omega Red I am getting more and more nervous about the stats of a certain character that appears in squirecam avatar...:confused:

[waaagh1]

Mutations and Monsters Organized Play Prizes are up, go check it out. I like what they are doing, it sounds like fun. You also get a sneak peek of the Silver Savage figure (kinda sorta)

[New Jeff]

NP

But I thought the inclusion of Captain EO was a bit much....:grin:



CAPTAIN EO!!!! YES!!!!

[Bubblehead]

This is pretty much the worst set character-wise for me since.....

Avengers. :confused:


And that was bad. LOL


DC on the other hand rocked my sox.


These Marvel sets just don't do that much for me. Very limited in the "wow" factor. Although I freely admit that the X-men brand has done very little to whet my appetite for almost a decade now. Just not that interesting......except for Morrison's run on New X-men but Marvel retconned that to death for the nosesnubbing he did to them.

Anyway, send me your leftovers. I'm sure some of you (Jim!) will have plenty! LOL

[squirecam]

I Love the charater selection

my primary concern is the Stats the figs, but especially on you know who ;)

I am becomeing a bigger X-fan thoguh I will not be buying 8 weeks of X-titles (mesiah complex). I will stick with Uncanny and any one shots and I will probably pick up the last issue of the arc.

After seeing the stats on Omega Red I am getting more and more nervous about the stats of a certain character that appears in squirecam avatar...:confused:

What did you think of the sculpt??

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w79/Funky_munkey_2007/HC/S7300588.jpg

[Shield001]

Love the sculpt

I personally would rather have LE figures than feats.

The sculpted event dial is interesting but kinda meh for me. A good colectors piece I suppose.

[unsung hero]

Love the sculpt

I personally would rather have LE figures than feats.

The sculpted event dial is interesting but kinda meh for me. A good colectors piece I suppose.
Couple of things...
What are you doing up at 2AM???:sleep:

If you REALLY want (a chance) at the LE's lets all get together and have 8 (or more) people show up at Kool's, LSOM, Sci-Fi Center or Oasis each week and SOMEONE will get them. Otherwise only way any of us will ever see them is if Jimbo buys them on E-bay!!! If we could work together on this (ALL OF US!!!) we could gaurantee Some or all of the 4 LE's will see Vegas. Anyone with me on this? Lets Vote!

[Shield001]

Sounds interesting but I can at best make 2 games a week...


as for the 2am.

I get off of work and 12:15am-12:30am. take the Trop bus from Jones to Rainbow and thean rainbow home, of course it only runs once an hour so sometimes I get home at 1 other time 2. I have to post my Theme article the night before saturday and I work 5-12 so I have to post it when I get home. Figured I'd check the thread while I was at it :laugh:

[waaagh1]

Im less interested in the LE's, meh. But the cards, those I like! But if my showing up at Kool's ensures someone will win an LE AND USE IT, then I'll show up.

[squirecam]

Couple of things...
What are you doing up at 2AM???:sleep:

If you REALLY want (a chance) at the LE's lets all get together and have 8 (or more) people show up at Kool's, LSOM, Sci-Fi Center or Oasis each week and SOMEONE will get them. Otherwise only way any of us will ever see them is if Jimbo buys them on E-bay!!! If we could work together on this (ALL OF US!!!) we could gaurantee Some or all of the 4 LE's will see Vegas. Anyone with me on this? Lets Vote!

I'm confused.

Aren't the LE's still automatic anyway, given this is a marquee? So I dont see how having everyone attend every event makes a difference?

Or am I missing something ??

[squirecam]

Also,

I pre-registered for the pre-release, in case I decide to go. Any update on anyone else going ??

You still thinking about it Bats ??

[unsung hero]

Also,

I pre-registered for the pre-release, in case I decide to go. Any update on anyone else going ??

You still thinking about it Bats ??
Which Pre-Release ya going to Squire?

And as for the LE's... I thought that Wizkids wasn't sending LE's to Venues that didn't have 8 or more people? Am I wrong about this? Post a link or a Quote that shows this, Squire Old boy! And Thanks!

[squirecam]

Which Pre-Release ya going to Squire?

And as for the LE's... I thought that Wizkids wasn't sending LE's to Venues that didn't have 8 or more people? Am I wrong about this? Post a link or a Quote that shows this, Squire Old boy! And Thanks!

If I did go, it would be Rancho C, the closest.

[batsentry57]

Thinking about it. Friday is my birthday, so my wife and I will most likely go out for dinner. If I go, I'll want to leave Saturday morning. It would be good if we have several guys to go to split gas. My truck will fit five comfortably. Any other interested?

Also,

I pre-registered for the pre-release, in case I decide to go. Any update on anyone else going ??

You still thinking about it Bats ??

[unsung hero]

Thinking about it. Friday is my birthday, so my wife and I will most likely go out for dinner. If I go, I'll want to leave Saturday morning. It would be good if we have several guys to go to split gas. My truck will fit five comfortably. Any other interested?
Yes! When would we be leaving and when would we be getting back?

[unsung hero]

Just thought I would share this Funny @$$ Thread with you guys!

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1804&d=1189213753

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2157&d=1194641496

Card is quite funny! Sculpt is cool too!

[squirecam]

Just thought I would share this Funny @$$ Thread with you guys!

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1804&d=1189213753

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2157&d=1194641496

Card is quite funny! Sculpt is cool too!

That is funny.

[New Jeff]

And as for the LE's... I thought that Wizkids wasn't sending LE's to Venues that didn't have 8 or more people? Am I wrong about this? Post a link or a Quote that shows this, Squire Old boy! And Thanks!

Check this link:
http://forum.wizkidsgames.com/showpost.php?p=1523116&postcount=49

This is from a "Senior CE Representative" They have a WK Title Logo so....


Everyone is so quick to freak out.....

[unsung hero]

Note to all: LSOM is now changing to 6pm Tuesdays instead of 5:30pm.
This Tuesday: 300pts. Restricted. Possibly play testing a new idea I have.

Justin please update first page. And thanks!

[waaagh1]

Check this link:
http://forum.wizkidsgames.com/showpost.php?p=1523116&postcount=49

This is from a "Senior CE Representative" They have a WK Title Logo so....


Everyone is so quick to freak out.....

Cut and paste or paraphrase please, some of us are not worthy to see that thread.......That is of course if we are able to know it....

[batsentry57]

Cut and paste or paraphrase please, some of us are not worthy to see that thread.......That is of course if we are able to know it....

Having privilege is not enough because the link did not work for me either.

Jeff, would appreciate the drill down to the particular entry.

Oh, before anyone asks, I'm up at this hour because I woke up with a headache and have not been able to get back to sleep. :(

[batsentry57]

I can't believe I did this - I missed the cut-off for setting up December events at Sci-Fi Center. The last time I looked there was a week left and then, poof, the time was gone. I'll discuss setting up venue supported events with William. As far as WK supported events, we'll see how having one less venue available affects attendance overall and the corrsponding prize support. Sorry about that guys.

[squirecam]

I can't believe I did this - I missed the cut-off for setting up December events at Sci-Fi Center. The last time I looked there was a week left and then, poof, the time was gone. I'll discuss setting up venue supported events with William. As far as WK supported events, we'll see how having one less venue available affects attendance overall and the corrsponding prize support. Sorry about that guys.

Cant you email them and explain the problem?

[wintremute]

Cant you email them and explain the problem?



Dear WizKids,

Much like you forgot to include cards, figures or bases in some of your boosters...Similar to the way you didn't notice that the dial on the Avengers set wasn't up to snuff...In the vein of delaying sets and keeping the new stuff secret until the last moment...I, BatSentry57, missed the cut-off for setting up December events and the Sci-Fi center.

Signed,

xxxx




There, I gave you a rough draft.

[unsung hero]

Dear WizKids,

Much like you forgot to include cards, figures or bases in some of your boosters...Similar to the way you didn't notice that the dial on the Avengers set wasn't up to snuff...In the vein of delaying sets and keeping the new stuff secret until the last moment...I, BatSentry57, missed the cut-off for setting up December events and the Sci-Fi center.

Signed,

xxxx




There, I gave you a rough draft.
That's funny! Send it Jim!

[New Jeff]

Sorry thought that would work...

Per Foolscap
Senior CE Representative


"Since there has been concern over this issue I want to clear up some confusion.

• Those events set up as a WizKids supported event will remain just that; “WizKids supported”.
• Properly setting up a Wizkids supported event will generate an order for the support for the event regardless of how many participants the event ends up having.
• This is the same as it has always been and is not affected, in any way, by the event’s end rating and ranking structure.
• Events which have fewer than 8 players are to be rated and ranked as casual play events.
• The difference is in ratings and rankings; this means that larger events, with more players, will be rated at a higher level.
• “Casual” events do not “take away” support.
• Casual events actually give venues, envoys and players a way to have rated casual or “pick up” games. Consider them as a far more flexible version of “Venue Supported” events which now includes rating and rankings."

[punkrabbitt]

A questoion about LSOM NGN 11/27: a M&M Sealed Booster event is being run at the same time... are those two seperate events or do we need to play in the M&M sealed event for NGN?

[unsung hero]

A questoion about LSOM NGN 11/27: a M&M Sealed Booster event is being run at the same time... are those two seperate events or do we need to play in the M&M sealed event for NGN?
Well, the Envoy (ME) is supposed to be running TWO events at the same time.
One is the M&M sealed event.
The other is a New Guy Night Demonstration if any New Guys show up.
In my Almost 3 years of supported events, I have never seen any Envoy run a Demo Durring a New Guy Night. Not that they (or me for that matter) refuse to, no one "NEW" showed up to have a Demo.

I won't be able to read these forums until after tonights event for any kind of answer from you. I PM'd you my Phone Number in case you need it.

Hope the above answered your question.

[punkrabbitt]

I will be at New Guy Night with my girlfriend, whoi wants to see what all this superhero craziness is all about. We will also have my two kids in tow, both of whom have played HeroClix but may fall below the minimum age requirement (they are 4 and 6 years old.)

So please plan on running the demo ;)

[squirecam]

Have those who are planning/thinking/hoping to go to the RC pre-release signed up???

Based upon how many boosters they get, it may be a good idea to sign up first...

[Bubblehead]

Have fun, Vegas. I'll be working...................with idiots. :disappoin


However, you just may be looking at the newest Teamster in L.A.

WOOHOO!!!!! Benefits!!!!!!!!!

[unsung hero]

Have those who are planning/thinking/hoping to go to the RC pre-release signed up???

Based upon how many boosters they get, it may be a good idea to sign up first...
Ok I am gonna act lame. Post a link Squire!!!

[unsung hero]

Sorry thought that would work...

Per Foolscap
Senior CE Representative


"Since there has been concern over this issue I want to clear up some confusion.

• Those events set up as a WizKids supported event will remain just that; “WizKids supported”.
• Properly setting up a Wizkids supported event will generate an order for the support for the event regardless of how many participants the event ends up having.
• This is the same as it has always been and is not affected, in any way, by the event’s end rating and ranking structure.
• Events which have fewer than 8 players are to be rated and ranked as casual play events.
• The difference is in ratings and rankings; this means that larger events, with more players, will be rated at a higher level.
• “Casual” events do not “take away” support.
• Casual events actually give venues, envoys and players a way to have rated casual or “pick up” games. Consider them as a far more flexible version of “Venue Supported” events which now includes rating and rankings."
OK gonna act lame again (and keep your comments to yourself!!!:angry: )

So if I have only 2 guys show up every week in December, what does this mean? This above quote solves nothing for me.:disappoin Someone spell it out for me.

[squirecam]

Ok I am gonna act lame. Post a link Squire!!!


http://www.wizkidsgames.com/userdetail.asp?userid=448622

there you go

[unsung hero]

http://www.wizkidsgames.com/userdetail.asp?userid=448622

there you go
Thanks loyal Squire! Signed up! Wonder how many Great Arena BFC's they are getting? 14 people have signed up counting me!:noid:

[batsentry57]

I just checked the schedule for the PR - the event starts at 3 PM. I'm not interested in driving to CA mid-day and returning to Vegas at night - still too many CA wacko drivers heading to Vegas on a Saturday night. If it started at 12, like Kools, that would be different. :ermm:

[Shield001]

• Those events set up as a WizKids supported event will remain just that; “WizKids supported”.

Wizkids supported = they give us prizes.



• Properly setting up a Wizkids supported event will generate an order for the support for the event regardless of how many participants the event ends up having.

if you have 2 people or 12 people you get prizes

• This is the same as it has always been and is not affected, in any way, by the event’s end rating and ranking structure.

casual and competitive only determine how many "WKrank points" you get.

• Events which have fewer than 8 players are to be rated and ranked as casual play events.

Events with less than 8 players will be rated and ranked as casual play events.



• The difference is in ratings and rankings; this means that larger events, with more players, will be rated at a higher level.

So you get more dci....I mean WKrank points for attending events with more people

• “Casual” events do not “take away” support.

• “Casual” events do not “take away” support.

• Casual events actually give venues, envoys and players a way to have rated casual or “pick up” games. Consider them as a far more flexible version of “Venue Supported” events which now includes rating and rankings."

so you can still be a ranked player even if your group is only a few people.
you may not be number 1 but you still have braging rights over Podunk Yahoo from Juno, Alaska for that number 12,564th place :laugh:

[squirecam]

so you can still be a ranked player even if your group is only a few people.
you may not be number 1 but you still have braging rights over Podunk Yahoo from Juno, Alaska for that number 12,564th place :laugh:

This part I dont like.

So I play in competitive tournaments. Do well. Get a ranking and all that.

Then comes 4 weeks of venue play.

Do I play the DD squad...knowing that by doing so I wont win as much (or at all)...or do I bring a power squad.

If my win/loss matters...then forget "fun" teams. I dont see many mis-matched fun teams NOW, let alone after rankings start...

[Shield001]

It all depends on how much you care about the rankings....

I personally do not.

If I win and get a prize great if not oh well...

though there are a few prizes listed that I do really want...

[squirecam]

It all depends on how much you care about the rankings....

I personally do not.

If I win and get a prize great if not oh well...

though there are a few prizes listed that I do really want...

Ok...

But right now people use t-bolts, ICWO, protected, etc. And no rankings are affected by the w/l.

I see this system favoring competitive play, and hurting fun teams, of which there is already very little.

Can anyone think of the last, pure fun team, that you played in a weekly event. One designed purely for fun or laughs or comic accuracy, but really standing no shot of winning??

[Shield001]

Can anyone think of the last, pure fun team, that you played in a weekly event. One designed purely for fun or laughs or comic accuracy, but really standing no shot of winning??

You had me up until you said no shot of winning...

fun or laughs or comic accuracy does not have to equal no shot at winning.

My 300 point T-bolt team was comic accurate.

Granted they did not start really useing bullseye until after Mach 4 and Techno left. And Cit V = Baron Zemo.

with the point constraints a little stretching had to be done.

Jak usually runs comic accurate theme teams.

Now I admit I have not done that in a while but I was also also trying to playtest some keyword teams.

However you are right we usually dont play "fun/silly" or comic accurate theme teams.

I don't think the Rankings are going to increase the competiveness we already have (at least as far as Vegas goes, maybe every one else will increase the "cheese" to get higher rank :laugh: )

[squirecam]

You had me up until you said no shot of winning...

fun or laughs or comic accuracy does not have to equal no shot at winning.

My 300 point T-bolt team was comic accurate.

Granted they did not start really useing bullseye until after Mach 4 and Techno left. And Cit V = Baron Zemo.

with the point constraints a little stretching had to be done.



Actually, I disagree.

We have an "avengers Zemo", as well as earlier versions. Sure, with that Zemo, your team is probably weaker. But more accurate. And a team that is playable as "fun".



Now I admit I have not done that in a while but I was also also trying to playtest some keyword teams.

However you are right we usually dont play "fun/silly" or comic accurate theme teams.


Which is my point. And nothing is even up for grabs now...



I dont think the Rankings are going to increase the competiveness we already have (at least as far as Vegas goes, maybe every one else will increase the "cheese" to get higher rank :laugh: )

That is what I am afraid of. Things will go that direction...

[Bubblehead]

Ok...

I see this system favoring competitive play, and hurting fun teams, of which there is already very little.



I wholeheartedly disagree with this. I make fun teams all the time (well not really lately but I think you get it) and rock the socks. No matter where or how or who I play, you'll know that you've played me.

Try my Sinister Six 400 pt team.........I dare you to win! :)


I'm just saying that just because a team is competitive doesn't mean it can't be fun.

[squirecam]

Try my Sinister Six 400 pt team.........I dare you to win! :)


Will you still do that, if a "ranking" will be affected by it?

[Bubblehead]

Will you still do that, if a "ranking" will be affected by it?

Yep. I know I'm a good player. I don't need a "variable" as a ranking to tell me that.

Plus.......how can Wizkids really "check" these stats???? I mean seriously. There's going to be some nerd out there that is going to be playing the same 8 people (or 4 people with padded names) that's going to be ranked high. There's no verification on these things and thusly can't be taken seriously.

[unsung hero]

I just checked the schedule for the PR - the event starts at 3 PM. I'm not interested in driving to CA mid-day and returning to Vegas at night - still too many CA wacko drivers heading to Vegas on a Saturday night. If it started at 12, like Kools, that would be different. :ermm:
Well, is there any OTHER venues (cough-cough Fallon) that would be earlier that you would consider?

[batsentry57]

Fallon has no time posted. I sent an email requesting their start time early this morning and got no response. If I hear nothing by tomorrow, I plan on contacting WK about it. They have only two players registered and I'm thinking they purposely don't want anyone else showing up. One of those in-house, in-breeding things. If I get an answer though, I'll use a free Southwest ticket and then drive over one hour with Keegan (son).

Well, is there any OTHER venues (cough-cough Fallon) that would be earlier that you would consider?

[squirecam]

Originally Posted by nbperp on the WK forums

The question about objects and adjacency has come up in the past. A number of the new special powers led to a discussion that I took to game design for clarification. This has led to things being clarified for me, and I bring it to all of you.

The square you currently occupy is NOT adjacent to itself. If a power or effect requires you to be adjacent to something (notably, an object), occupying the same square as that something is NOT the same as being adjacent to it.

There are a number of things that this clarifies/changes based on your point of view.

Powers
- Telekinesis – you cannot TK an object that is in the square you are occupying. You can only TK objects that are adjacent to you.

Rulebook
- Destroying objects – this acts as destroying blocking terrain (as per the rulebook). You can draw a line of fire to your square (if you have range greater than 0), but you cannot attack your own square with a close combat attack, you can only attack adjacent squares.

Feats
- Nanobots – you can only use the feat if you are adjacent to an object, not if you are occupying the same square as the objects.
- Disintegrate – you cannot remove an object that is in the square you occupy.

Special Objects
- Separation Field Generator – you can only drop objects in adjacent squares, not the one you occupy.

Special Powers
- Phantom Girl/Disruption – specifies that it works on objects in the same square as Phantom Girl.
- Mr. Mxyzptlk/Object Animation – specifies that it works on objects that are being occupied by opposing characters.
- Firestorm/Matter-Energy Transmutation – when placing objects as a result of using option (2) of this power, the objects would need to go in squares adjacent to the original targeted object.
- Box/Assimilation – Box needs to be adjacent to an object, he cannot occupy the square.
- Arcade/Deathtrap – if a character occupies the square of the object Arcade has selected to remove, it would not be dealt damage.

I’m fairly confident that these are the mechanics where this question would come up. Obviously, I’m here to follow up on any specifics I may have missed.

On a related topic, the question of Toro’s Firewall power came up – “Can I put all 4 squares of Smoke Cloud in the same square?” – The answer to that is no, as you need to put them in adjacent squares. What’s more, the properties wouldn’t “stack”. Each square is either s square with Smoke Cloud terrain or is not.

[squirecam]

Fallon has no time posted. I sent an email requesting their start time early this morning and got no response. If I hear nothing by tomorrow, I plan on contacting WK about it. They have only two players registered and I'm thinking they purposely don't want anyone else showing up. One of those in-house, in-breeding things. If I get an answer though, I'll use a free Southwest ticket and then drive over one hour with Keegan (son).

2 venues in CA dont have times listed either.

The one in Torrance is at noon, and one in pasedena is at 11 though.

[squirecam]

Even more rules to chew on...

BATTLEFIELD CONDITIONS

THE GREAT ARENA
Any successful attack roll resulting in doubles is a critical hit

DEEP SHADOWS
Treat all non-blocking terrain as hindering terrain for line of fire purposes. Characters with range values greater than 6 have range values of 6 instead, and range values can't be modified to a value more than 6. All powers, abilities, and effects able to affect characters more than 6 squares way instead affect characters up to 6 squares away.

The slightly different wording indicates that as long as the power, ability or effect does not affect a character, the 6 square maximum would not apply. Notably, this would affect using TK to move an object (not attack with it).

KRAKOA THE LIVING ISLAND
Once at the end of each player's turn, he or she can choose a target opposing character adjacent to an unoccupied square of outdoor hindering, blocking, or elevated terrain and make an attack roll with an attack value of 9 and a damage value of 2 against the target; the target can't be knocked back by the attack. If the attack succeeds but the character target takes no damage from the attack and has zero or one action token, give the target an action token.

The adjacency of this BFC is in terms as defined in the rulebook for adjacent squares. "Character" adjacency - which typically depends on elevation - is not required. Therefore, a grounded character can be attacking using this BFC by being adjacent to elevated terrain. An elevated character can be attacked if their square is adjacent to a grounded square of hindering or blocking terrain.

No character is making this attack, so even if Probality Control was available, there is no character to target to re-roll. It is still an attack though, so Super Senses and Toughness would work just fine. The character can also roll for Shape Change. If they are successful, the BFC can be used to attack a different qualifying target.

MALICE
At the end of each player's turn, if none of his or her characters made an attack against an opposing character, that player chooses a friendly character and deals it 1 unavoidable damage.

First turn immunity would still apply for this feat.

By "attack" the BFC is referring to actual attacks, not just situations that result in damage. Think of it this way - was Super Senses something that could have altered the result? That, then, would be an attack.

FEATS

STREAK OF LUCK
Cost: 5
Prerequisite: {Standard Attack} {Standard Damage}

Choose a character.

Each time an attack roll fails against the character, put a luck token on this card if there are fewer than three tokens on this card.

If there are luck tokens on this card when the character makes a critical miss, the characteris not dealt unavoidable damage; after the attack is resolved, remove all luck tokens from this card. If there are luck tokens on this card when the character makes a critical hit, modify the character's damage value by +X, where X equals the number of luck tokens on this card; after the attack is resolved, remove all luck tokens from this card.

Only the "final" roll is examined to determine if a token should be placed on this card. If Probability Control is used, only the final roll determines if the attack was successful or not.

If a character has Super Senses and rolls a 5 or 6 after a successful attack roll, a token would not be placed on the card. The attack missed, but the attack roll was successful.

A failed Support roll against this character would cause a token to be put on the card.

If EE is successful against the main target and unsuccessful against this one, a token would not be put on this card.


TERRIFY
Cost: 6
Prerequisite: Battle Fury or Incapacitate or Mind Control
Modifier: {Standard Attack} -1

Choose a character.

Give the character a power action and make a single close combat attack as a free action (the attack deals no damage). Compare the result to the defense values of all adjacent opposing target characters, maximum four targets. Each target against which the attack succeeds is knocked back a number of squares equal to half its speed value (targets are not dealt knock back damage). If the attack roll is doubles and succeeds against the target, also give an action token to the target if it has zero or one action tokens (the target is not dealt pushing damage for this token).

If there are more than 4 adjacent opposing characters, targets need to be selected prior to the attack roll. When the attack is successful, each character hit moves away its own speed value, not the speed value of the attacker.

INSIDE INFORMATION
Cost: 4
Prerequisite: The character must have at least one keyword.

Choose a character.

When the character attacks an opposing character that has any of the keywords possessed by the character, modify the character's attack value by +2.

The +1 modification only applies to the attack roll against the target character.

MONSTER HUNTER
Cost: 3
Prerequisite: {Standard damage}

Choose a character.

Modify the character's attack value and damage value by +1 when it is given a close combat or ranged combat action targetting a character with the {Giant damage} or {Colossal damage} damage symbol or the Monster keyword.

If the character targets multiple characters, the +1 attack applies only to qualifying characters. The +1 damage would mean that if both characters were hit, at least 1 damage from the nodified damage value would need to be applied to the qualifying target. This, to me, is the most consistent ruling with what we already know of powers such as Ultimate X-Men. I will be taking this back to WK to get clarification.

OUTSMART
Cost: 10
Prerequisite: Mastermind or Outwit

Choose a character.

When a power possessed by the character or an adjacent friendly character would be countered by an opposing character's power or ability, you and the opposing character's controller each roll 2d6. If your result is more, the power is not countered instead.

Ties are not rerolled - the cards wording indicates that the targetted character needs to roll higher in order for the countering to take place.

After the roll is complete, regardless of the result, the Outwitting character has used Outwit this turn.

These rolls are made by the players, not the figures, therefore they can not be probability controlled.

This feat would activate any time a player's powes are countered, regardless of the source of the countering.

TAKEDOWN
Cost: 6
Prerequisite: Incapacitate or Plasticity

Choose a character.

If an opposing character makes an unsuccessful close combat attack against the character, after the action is resolved give the opposing character an extra action token if it has zero or one action tokens. If the opposing character already had one action token on it, giving it a second action token deals pushing damage normally.

The extra token is applied to the attacking character at the same time that action tokens are normally placed on the acting character.

WARBOUND
Cost: 5 per character on your force with the chosen keyword.
Prerequisite: A single, common keyword.

Choose a keyword. All characters on your force that have the keyword are assigned this feat.

When a target friendly character assigned this feat is given an action, instead of giving it an action token, you can give the action token for the action to an adjacent friendly character that has the chosen keyword, has zero action tokens, and has a point value equal to at least half of the target's point value.

Assuming all of the other requirements are met, a 150 point character can have their token placed on a 75 point character (or higher). Similarly, a 100 point character can have their token placed on a 150 point character (since it is more points than the necessary 50). My point is that there is no restriction that one character has to be more points than the other.

In order for the adjacent character to receive the token, it must be clear of tokens at the time the token is assigned.

SHOCKWAVE
Cost: 8
Prerequisites: {Standard Attack}, Quake

Choose a character.

Give the character a power action. Make a single attack roll and compare the result to the defense values of all adjacent opposing characters. Characters against which the attack succeeds are dealt no damage, but are knocked back 4 squares.

Knock back damage would apply as normal.

Characters that ignore knock back would not be affected by a successful attack with this feat.

PROTECTED
Cost: 8

Choose a character.

(Optional) If the character does not already have two action tokens on it, damage dealt to the character as a result of a single action is ignored. After that action is resolved, give the character an action token and remove this feat from the game. If the character already had one action token on it, giving it a second action token deals pushing damage normally.

SPECIAL OBJECTS

ELEHA'AL VINE (LIGHT)
Give a character occupying the same square as this object a power action. Roll a d6 and subtract 4 from the result, minimum result 1. Heal the character of damage equal to the result.

SHIELD DISRUPTOR (LIGHT)
Damage dealt to characters 4 or fewer squares from this object can't be reduced.

TOMBSTONE (HEAVY)
Continual The defense value of a character carrying a Tombstone is modified by +2. After the resolution of an unsuccessful attack against a character carrying a Tombstone, remove Tombstone from the game.

SPECIAL POWERS

Arcade
Deathtrap Once per turn as a free action, Arcade can remove from the game any object 10 or fewer squares from Arcade to which he has a clear line of fire and deal 1 damage to each character adjacent to the object.

Objects that are being carried cannot have a line of fire drawn to them.

Occupying the same square as an object is not being adjacent to it (see my recent post "Objects and Adjacency (http://forum.wizkidsgames.com/showthread.php?p=1528935)")

Murderbots Give Arcade a power action. Choose up to two standard objects 10 or fewer squares from Arcade to which he has a clear line of fire when he is given the action, and move each object as if it were a character that has Arcade's speed value.

Questions about break away, moving through hindering terrain, and so on, should all be resolved by answering the question - "how would it be ruled if it were a character?"

Box
Mass Absorption When Box occupies hindering terrain, he has the (Giant) symbol.

At the start of an action, if Box is in hindering terrain he is a giant for the entire action. If he leaves hindering terrain, he remains a giant until the action is over. If he enters hindering terrain mid action, he does not become a giant until the action is over.

Assimilation Box can use Toughness. Once per round, when Box is adjacent to an object, as a free action you can remove the object from the game and heal Box of 2 damage.

See my other post regarding "Objects and Adjacency (http://forum.wizkidsgames.com/showthread.php?p=1528935)" for more details, but in order for Box to use this power, he must be adjacent to an object - it would not apply to an object in the square he is occupying.

Cuckoo
Hive Mind When Cuckoo is given an action, you can modify one of her combat values (including range) by +1 until the end of the round for each other Cuckoo adjacent to her.

"Adjacent Cuckoos" includes opposing Cuckoos.

The bonus must be given to Cuckoo when an action is given to her - not during the action and not when the action resolves. Therefore, if Cuckoo moves, she needs to modify her combat value before she leaves adjacency and would not be able to increase it based on a character she is adjacent to at the end of her move.

Cuckoo is only allowed to modify one combat value. That value can be modified as per the rule of three based on the number of adjacent Cuckoos. She may not distribute the bonus to different combat values based on multiple adjacent Cuckoos.

Each heroclix game is played in rounds. During round 1, there is a "beginning of round", and then it is player 1's turn. The have a "beginning of turn", they have a time when actions are assigned and resolved, and then an "end of turn". Then player 2 does the same thing. Then there is the "end of the round." The process repeats itself with a new "beginning of round" and player 1's turn again. The Cuckoo bonus lasts until the end of the round. Yes, this gives Player 1 a bit of an advantage as they can modify defense effectively while player 2 cannot.

Hulkbuster
Flight Stabilizers Hulkbuster can use Charge and Running Shot. Hulkbuster is adjacent to a giant character only when he is within 1 square of it.

Giants and Adjacency currently have 4 basic things:
1 - A giant must break away from a character when 2 squares away.
2 - A standard chracter must break away from a giant 2 squares away.
3 - A giant can close combat a character 2 squares away.
4 - A stnadard character cannot close combat a giant 2 squares away.

The last sentence of Flight Stabilizers alters #2 above.

The Leader
Minions of the Leader The Leader can use Mastermind and Toughness. When the Leader uses Mastermind, he can treat any friendly character 4 or fewer squares away to which has a line of fire as if it were adjacent.

When The Leader is hit with an attack, the damage is going to be dealt to him. At this time, he can choose to use Mastermind. If he chooses not to use Mastermind, then the damage is dealt to him and thereby reduced by 1 due to Toughness.

Rampaging Hulk
Squash The Rampaging Hulk can use Leap/Climb. Immediately after the resolution of a move action in which the Rampaging Hulk uses Leap/Climb, he can use Quake as a free action.

As per the latest E&C, whenever Quake is used and the character is holding an object, the object is not used in the attack.

[Shield001]

Actually, I disagree.

We have an "avengers Zemo", as well as earlier versions. Sure, with that Zemo, your team is probably weaker. But more accurate. And a team that is playable as "fun".




Thats just it, Baron Zemo was Cit V in disquise when the T-bolts started.

Now he droped it when they got exposed but it was still Zemo.

And as for the team being weaker I think it would have done just as well. I really like the Baron Zemo we got in Avengers. I would have used the E Mach 3 instead of V Mach 4, and the the only chage would have been the team haveing 4 RS instead of 3 RS and a Charge.

:rolleyes: maybe next time I will try that out...

but thats beside the point :laugh:

The same group of players has been hanging around for a while and I don't think I have seen the competitiveness level change. People have gotten better at team building but as far as the lvl of "cheese" it has not changed (of course they have balanced the game out a bit so there is less of it...).

[Shield001]

I officially hate nbperp AND whoever is justifing his ruleings with there game design BS.....


Theme teams Ignore = stupid

Object in same square is not adjacent = stupid

That just does not make sense your standing on something but not....ahhhh :head explode:

[squirecam]

I officially hate nbperp AND whoever is justifing his ruleings with there game design BS.....


Theme teams Ignore = stupid

Object in same square is not adjacent = stupid

That just does not make sense your standing on something but not....ahhhh :head explode:

I think after Crisis, WK should take 30 days off. In that time, re-write the rules so that they make SENSE.

Then put these new rules in a new FF starter.

[batsentry57]

I called the store in Fallon. The PR starts at 12 noon. :cool:

[squirecam]

I called the store in Fallon. The PR starts at 12 noon. :cool:

Why pay all that money for a Fallon trip?

[Bubblehead]

2 venues in CA dont have times listed either.

The one in Torrance is at noon, and one in pasedena is at 11 though.


If you guys go to Pasadena I expect a head's up!!!!! Great place to play!

[unsung hero]

Wow the new adjacency rules are LAME!!! :angry:
They've gone out of their way to in the last year to sell YOU ARE ADJACENT TO THE SQUARE YOU ARE IN and now they flush all that down the toilet! Great!!!:tired:

[batsentry57]

Why pay all that money for a Fallon trip?

Unused SWA voucher to fly anywhere - FREE. :) :) :)
Son attending UNR w/vehicle - gas for 120 R/T less than $20. :)

Cheaper than gas for R/T to LA - probably 40 gallons at $3/gallon, or $120. :disappoin

Of course, the biological scenery in LA is most likely better than Fallon's. :disappoin :disappoin

[squirecam]

Well, congrats to a well-deserving player who conquered Comic Oasis last night, for a tourney win...

Me !!:grin:

I ran
Batman (1 mil)
Flash (1 mil)
Dream Girl
Mano
Colonel Logan
Deathlok
Phantom Girl
Ravage

Justin ran an Amazo based Robot squad, with Ghost Rider and others. And two Firelord teams made an appearance as well.

Eric had a team of Firelord, paramedic, JLA Batman, Merlyn, Green Arrow, Scarlet Witch, and a TKer. His team beat me but it was close, could have gone either way.

Note - no games at Comic Oasis until NGN....