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HCRealms
10/04/2006, 14:22
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irishflogger
08/31/2010, 15:32
Could have thrown toughness on the defense on top of the senses.
bill4935
09/01/2010, 07:56
Score: 90%. Simply amazing. Great defense with that 18 (note to new players: 18 used to be very rare and very hard to hit) and Mega Senses that can't be outwitted. This Spider-Man hits harder and more accurately than previous 100+ Spideys for only 78, so is this power creep? Maybe - but at least the short dial helps balance this figure.
larthosgrr8
09/02/2010, 03:11
why should spidey have toughness irish?? when he gets hit he feels it. he has no body armor or kevlar on! he's always seen taking his lumps in the comic book. this is THE spider man to me. he evades the way spidey does in the comic. i can't really ask for more. good TA,keywords, overall dial and a pretty nice sculpt too!
This is a great spidey, I usually like what they do with him in terms of clix but they finally got his SS right. The only thing i would have liked to see from him is a little more super strength or the last click give him alittle more power to show that hes in his "UNCLE BENNNN, GWEN STACYYYY. EVERYONE DIES AROUND ME. I CANT GIVE UP!!!" lol. But other than that I love it. Fav character.
irishflogger
09/03/2010, 17:08
why should spidey have toughness irish?? when he gets hit he feels it. he has no body armor or kevlar on! he's always seen taking his lumps in the comic book. this is THE spider man to me. he evades the way spidey does in the comic. i can't really ask for more. good TA,keywords, overall dial and a pretty nice sculpt too!
He feels it but not the same as a Nurse or Researcher. He's been thrown through a few walls and jumped right back up. I don't think the Nurse or Researcher would. Don't get we wrong I love this figs, but I feel it would have been perfect if he had toughness.
TheDarkJediX
09/03/2010, 23:29
He feels it but not the same as a Nurse or Researcher. He's been thrown through a few walls and jumped right back up. I don't think the Nurse or Researcher would. Don't get we wrong I love this figs, but I feel it would have been perfect if he had toughness.
and while your at it...throw in some outwit & perplex, its what he does after all
Sensualninja
09/07/2010, 03:03
Disappointed that they used Marvels Top property as nothing more then a trait gimmick dial. Wheres the Move and attack? Willpower? Outwit or Perplex? This dial at the end of the does doesnt achieve anything that the SI One doesnt. I also dislike a defense trait that doesnt have any defense powers present on the dial, needlessly complicating things (READ I UNDERSTAND TRAITS CANT BE COUNTERED) They could have included "this power can not be countered" into the wording.
UltraSuperGuy
09/08/2010, 22:20
Say what you will about this dial still not representing Spidey perfectly but this Spidey just replaced all of my Golden Age Spideys. This and the lampost Spidey from Secret Invasion are the most competitive clix of this character so far imo.
lashelton1990
09/09/2010, 03:15
OMG. talk about awesome. He took down 4 guys all by himself. I played against him with prowler, GG, x-23, and mugger and the guy rolled 5 SS in a roll. The special power kept x-23 down until he had to base her. but by that time she was on her last click and he still had 17 d. combined that with uber senses and he just wrecked me. sadly he doesn't get that special till after he's taken a couple of hits.
Slade Wilson
09/09/2010, 13:18
Maybe not exactly what you want from a perfect spiderman, but this one is pretty near. I whish he had the scientist keyword, but oh well the outlaws shold be fun to play. It all comes down to the dodge rolls, if you make them you are going to love this figure.
TornMoon
09/10/2010, 23:11
Finally a spider-man that has a more accurate "Spider Sense".
The most accurate Spidey so far. Outstanding Trait, and the Web Shooter power is more useful than I thought it would be.
invisibo
09/13/2010, 02:03
I agree with thugit. had they given him some combat reflexes end-dial, some perplex on the non-superstrength clicks, and flurry somewhere, he'd be the perfect spider-man.
irishflogger
09/13/2010, 19:59
I just like the fact that when HoT Thor was rumored to have an impervious with a 4-6 roll people freaked and said it would be way too broken, but when Spidey has a 4-6 senses it's ok. There's a lot of PB that impervious does nothing about, but with senses you just dodge the attack.
I just like the fact that when HoT Thor was rumored to have an impervious with a 4-6 roll people freaked and said it would be way too broken, but when Spidey has a 4-6 senses it's ok. There's a lot of PB that impervious does nothing about, but with senses you just dodge the attack.
cause even if impervious doesn't "dodge" the attack you still take less damage. while with super senses you still get 1/3 of a chance to do damage.
PB is great against impervious, but you'll need a dedicated PB and able to shoot, (not being tied-up) do do damage.
I love the fact that the trait makes this Spider-man harder to hit. He's like an annoying pest, just like he is in the comics. And just like the comics, if he gets hit, he shrugs it off and keeps pretty close to the same stats.
The free action web token is just extra icing on the cake. Not essential, but still awesome.
The only thing that bugs me about this Spidey and the other 2 is the lack of the carry ability or even the transporter symbol. Spidey should be able to carry people and he still gets robbed of that on every one except the 2 x 2 brick figure.
Pulled him in a sealed booster event during opening week. 3rd and final round, I was in the last game still going and it was down to my Spidey vs. a Spider Hulk. Ended up being a 30-minute dice rolling contest between his impervious and my Spidey Senses. Spider-Hulk won out in the end, but man what a game. As others have said, disappointed no perplex (c'mon, at least one click). Also agree there should be some flurry in there mid or late dial. But other than that I have no complaints so far. I like the sculpt better than lamp-post Spidey also. All around a good piece that is moderately comic-accurate IMO thanks to the Spidey Senses being a trait.
I really like this spidey. Very playable, and actually, he and Puma, make the Outlaws a very fun and playable 400pt team. I just wish Spidey strait let him use Incap at 6 range. The web special power is very cool, and its great that its a free action, but spidey should have access to it at all times.
Mr. Cranberry
09/19/2010, 13:03
So far from an accurate Spidey, though the Trait is nice, it's just doesn't make this figure worth his points. If he was 20pts cheaper he may be playable. But with zero range, no Move & Attack powers, no multiple targets (Spidey is always fighting multiple foes at once), now OW, EW, and Perplex. This figure is missing so much to make him accurate. WKs need to take this and the past few Spidey's, mix them together toss in a little SP from Spider-Girl, Daredevils ignore Stealth Trait, some :d-indomitable: and lengthen his dial to 9 clicks...there's an accurate Spidey.
I love this Spidey. Best one they've made yet. He was my hero in sealed. His un-outwit-able trait is amazing when combined with his starting 18 defense. I like that his only ranged is either to throw an object or web someone. Perfect for Spidey, as it's not like he shoots lasers out of his eyes or anything. I completely disagree that he should see through stealth like Daredevil. Spider-Man's not more aware of his environment than anyone else until someone attacks him. Even then, he's not always aware of where the danger is coming from, only that he's in danger. Only thing I might change, is to boost his defense numbers up a bit. If Nightcrawler starts with 19, Spidey should too. As a minimum.
Mr. Cranberry
09/20/2010, 23:52
I completely disagree that he should see through stealth like Daredevil. Spider-Man's not more aware of his environment than anyone else until someone attacks him. Even then, he's not always aware of where the danger is coming from, only that he's in danger. Only thing I might change, is to boost his defense numbers up a bit. If Nightcrawler starts with 19, Spidey should too. As a minimum.
Please grab an issue or two where Peter explains his powers, they did this through the 80's & 90's in the annuals & special issues like the 30th Anniversary hologram covers. In it they describe him being able to use his senses to pick out a specific threat in a crowd. He can go on auto-pilot to completely avoid attacks and he doesn't need to know he's being attacked. He's been able to detect when a foe has been hiding in an alley or when he's being watched so he doesn't remove his mask at the wrong time, check out issues when Ben was taking over the mantle. And yes, his DV should be a 19.
GrimlockX
09/21/2010, 00:09
And yet, people still hit him Cran. People like Vermin, Green Goblin, Dr. Octopus, and Rhino have, in fact, beaten the absolute crap out of him. I feel that this is a very accurate Spider-Man (save for some Perplex and maybe a little Move and Attack) that behaves as he does in typical appearances. People sneak up on Peter all the time. Just ask Wolverine, Captain America, Venom, etc.
Red and Blue Rocks
09/21/2010, 17:57
This Spider-man is great. "Course, luck doesn't always grant your figure its justice, but I had a taxi carry him next to the new iron man after using Eddie to distract him. Spidey punches Iron face and Iron Man has no luck hitting 18 DV with SS. (Iron man's force blast and Outwit eventually stopped Spidey from hitting him but he still went down) It was exactly how I thought he should, could, and would play. Still think Spidey is a bit uncredited point wise in this game but this one is nice.
Mr. Cranberry
09/22/2010, 20:20
You need to realize that in many instances he was either under the weather, had innocents he was protecting and needed to take the hit, under the influence of things like Goblin gas, had five arms attacking him at once, foe bypasses his senses or he's appearing in another character's comic.
GrimlockX
09/22/2010, 23:03
That wasn't the case when Vermin almost killed him (twice), and Rhino brutalized him in a graveyard. Believe it or not, Spidey is no where near infallible. This figure portrays a very annoying, very hard hitting Spider-Man, which is in essence what he does in the books in his average appearances. He gets beaten. Don't make excuses for it.
Mr. Cranberry
09/22/2010, 23:12
GrimlockX. I've sent you a PM so we can have this discussion via PMs and not take up space in the Units Section. But barring Plot points and specific stories Spidey doesn't usually have difficulty with those two. And I do know he gets beaten, just like Batman, Superman, Captain America and any other character we enjoy reading about. Otherwise they'd be boring.
archmage78
09/28/2010, 01:48
why should spidey have toughness irish?? when he gets hit he feels it. he has no body armor or kevlar on! he's always seen taking his lumps in the comic book. this is THE spider man to me. he evades the way spidey does in the comic. i can't really ask for more. good TA,keywords, overall dial and a pretty nice sculpt too! This is the Spiderman to you????? Do you read Spiderman???? Now, before I start, you're right, this is the best that WizKids has managed, but that is not saying much. They have pretty much not even come close. Spiderman is a move and attacker, pure and simple. They give Spider girl a power he should have had, they give Scarlet Spider a power he should have. I mean, this is ok, but this isn't even close to what Spiderman should be. 19 defense, move and attack that still counts leap climb, Perplex, Outwit, RANGE. This is a start, they finally got his SS right, his damage and attack numbers are right, but this just doesn't play like Spiderman, plain and simple.
SkrullThemeTeamer
09/28/2010, 10:17
A Great Spidey, just as good in my opinion as SI Spidey, he's low enough cost that use him on almost any team but strong enough to pack a punch long-term. He loses some points on the sculpt just because it was used 3 many times in this set (well techinically 4 but I don't count LEs because they've always been like that)
DKowGawd
09/28/2010, 10:55
total must own spidey! IMO best in the set! This is the first spidey in 'clix that I would call my go to.
Gabellius
09/29/2010, 16:56
Excellent Spider-Man. I couldn't think of a better way to represent Spidey Sense than enhancing Super Senses and making it a trait. Great fig.
larthosgrr8
10/04/2010, 06:24
spider-man doesn't need a move an attack really. yes i do read spider-man. most times he swings in and makes a joke. he then evades punches,bullets,etc, and then lays you out. this is what this spider-man DOES! you have to attack him or he'll make you pay. the crazy thing is, he's good all the way through his dial. even on his last click he can just evade and tie ppl up. i'm starting to believe that we'll never see the be all end all version of any character. every character will still have one or two things that we wished they had. sure spidey could have a move and attack, but i don't look at spidey as a move an attack type of character. even look at the movies. he swings in, maybe kicks you, but most times makes a joke to get you angry and then evades your attack.
gfishfunk
10/04/2010, 12:28
It is hilarious that the sinister syndicate desperately need Spider-man on their team to get a much needed attack value bump. Great piece, very simple to play, make sure you do not push off that first wonder click though!!
The only thing that i like in this spidey is the Spidey Sense. It's awesome.
archmage78
10/09/2010, 01:28
I'm sorry larthosgrr8, you lost all credibility when you tried to use the movies as your argument. The movies are hollywood's interpretation to comic books and really don't represent anything in actual comic books. I'm also sorry that you don't view Spiderman as a move and attacker, his writers will disagree with you, as that is what he does most, swings in on a web line and hits you. It is the only way he fights Green Goblin. Outside of Nightcrawler he is probably Marvels most nimble and on the move character. His whole fighting style is pounce and leap away, that is the way he fights, he does not stand there and get beat on. You are right, there will never be a be all end all character to any character, but the only thing they got right on this figure was his super senses and his starting defense. No perplex, or outwit, no move and attack, random clix with super strength, those are the required powers, he could also have toughness, range, flurry. I mean, this figure is usable, but he is not even close to Spiderman.
Halvmorke
10/11/2010, 08:43
I HATE THIS SPIDER-MAN!! Why? It's simple. We have hundreds Spider-Mans with Leap/Climb, Super Strengh, and Super Senses. Hundreds. One of them in each expansion of Heroclix. All of them are equals to each others. In a set dedicated to Spider-Man's world I was expecting for a Spidey perfectly comic accurate, with mobility and amazing powers, with a dial like Spider-Girl's dial, but better, just like how Spidey should be in Heroclix. And what have we? Another Spider-Man with the same simple powers, but a better Super Senses!! Damned NECA, and damned Wizkids... Give me a truly Spider-Man once and for all!!!
Slade Wilson
10/15/2010, 00:00
I was Skeptical at first but after playing him in a tourney, im’ now a believer He didn’t take a single hit in 3 games and he did great damage. As log as the roles are with you, there’s no complaints.
xanosaucy
10/20/2010, 02:31
Haven't had too much success with him, I hit his SS like 33% of the time :ermm:. He's good though but I prefer the ones with options like Flurry and Outwit.
Faghyspidey
10/20/2010, 20:17
This spidey is not good but not bad either. Just regular, if you want to play spidey use the SI one. This doesn't worth the points.
Would be helpful to add the terrain description as well:
[quote]Web Special Terrain Marker: A character occupying this square must break away for movement purposes. Immediately after the character occupying this square no longer occupies it, remove this marker from the map.[quote]
triguncrazy14
12/23/2010, 19:16
uhm yeah i dont know who would say this figure is average- comic accuracy 5, playability- 4, sculpt-5
overall i would say that this is a five star figure and anyone who would say otherwise is dead wrong
webhead76
01/02/2011, 16:34
I think this is the Spider-Man I've always been hoping to see. I've been a fan of Spidey for years and I'm a fan of Spidey clix too, so it's nice to finally see Spider-Man get his due. What does it for me is the fact that he has the SS trait that gives him a 50/50 chance to dodge an incoming attack! I feel toughness would have been nice but heck, throwing LMD on Spidey would do just fine. Otherwise, I think they finally got Spidey right. He has strong stats, great power placement and his sculpt is awesome too. I've seen some good Spidey clix, but this was is by far my favorite.
Aliabobwah
01/05/2011, 01:54
This truly is the Amazing Spider-man. Not only is super senses a trait, but it succeeds on a 4-6! This is a solid piece. He isn't a heavy hitter, but it is a very reliable team member. Also, the ability to stop people with web shooters as a free action is fun!
Batarang96
01/25/2011, 18:21
He can hit for 5 damage with a heavy object. That's a pretty heavy hit for only 78 points.
commandercool
02/09/2011, 08:49
Not quite perfect accuracy, but I like an elegant, simple dial. Being a wildcard pushes him over the edge from good to great. I would've payed around 100 points to get Indomitable on him, but he's more economical this way.
Faghyspidey
02/22/2011, 13:34
I remenber a frind o'mine saying: "This is the best spider-man ever, you will be never able to touch him". Two 2dmg hits and he was done. The Spider-sense never work to him. If this spiderman have at list a 6 range i will use him but as a CC he sucks. Can't never forget KO him with a Dominator. LOL.
Odinson13
02/24/2011, 01:16
Alright, maybe i'm alittle slow(grumble) but what doe the 'Special Web Terrain Marker' do? Is it like incapacitate? That's what I think it is. The only special power I wasn't quite sure what it did. Help please :(
SpartanRS3416
02/24/2011, 01:52
I really like this Spider-man, few weeks ago he used that SS to bash someone w/ a truck lol. But honestly, he's a great dial IMO, he gives a good amount of damage & his spidey senses saved his butt several times.
asgardianwarrior
03/28/2011, 17:14
@Odinson13: A character must break away (if it has the webbing under it) even if there is no one adjacent to it.
Odinson13
04/05/2011, 21:12
Thanks for the verification asgardianwarrior. Makes sense, like the spidey more now with that ability.
DucksFlying81
04/08/2011, 19:25
This is the definitive Spider-man. This is a nearly perfectly representation of my most beloved comic book character. The 18 DV is accurate because Spider-man is very agile, so it should start out higher than a 17. But he doesn't deserve a 19 because it's really his Spider Sense that makes him so difficult to hit. The 11 AV is actually a tad high, IMO, but I think 11 attacks are given out way too often on newer figures anyway. Everything else, 3 DV with no range except to incapacitate (because he mainly uses his webbing for swinging and tying up, rather than to inflict damage), the L/C and the Super-senses power--PERFECT, no other powers are needed. I don't love the sculpt, however--good concept, but sloppily executed, so his score suffers. Overall, I'd be happy if they never make another "regular" version of Spidey (we could still use alternate/temporary versions of Spidey like, for example, when he gets his new powers in The Other storyline).
I like the sculpt, spidey sense, and the web token ability....but i HATE that they gave all three variants no range with the exception of that incap power. No range? Spider-Man has many uses for his web shooters and giving him the 6 range as a solid stat would make this one of the best Spider-Man ever. I wish he had Defend like the Critical Mass did...but that range thing really makes me never play him, black spidey, or scarlet spider. I instead reach for House of M, SI Spidey, or Iron Spider if I want a reliable webhead on my team.
Pulled and played two of these guys in a WoS sealed event. Only one of them actually took a hit the entire tournament.
This is the Definitive Spider-Man for me
Drsuperbatman
12/22/2011, 02:43
IMO this is the best click in the game for only 78 points you get the "super" super senses as a trait and front loaded 18 def,it's crazy with a little luck this guy can go untouched the whole game.his only problem is you really shouldn't push him with his short dial you need to save as many clicks as you can.
Love this Web Head, by far my favorite version of him.
the people saying this is a definitive version of Spider-Man are really off the mark on their assessment of Spidey here. This guy is lacking a typical 6 range and some sort of power on his defense. The web token is definitely a nice upgrade to incapacitate, but those vanilla spots on his attack could have still gone to incap with two target arrows. Combat reflexes? none. Flurry? none. This guy is severely lacking powers that have worked so well on other Spider pieces. Far from being a "definitive" piece, IMO.
I just like the fact that when HoT Thor was rumored to have an impervious with a 4-6 roll people freaked and said it would be way too broken, but when Spidey has a 4-6 senses it's ok. There's a lot of PB that impervious does nothing about, but with senses you just dodge the attack.
Yeah... but when you don't... Just had Wolfsbane get hit with a dumpster today... Would have loved to have even taken 1 off that hit. But I do love this Spidey, hard to hit, has SS, LC and can tie up opponents at range... what is there NOT to like? Gunna use him tomorrow in a Avengers theme team.
Splash some will power around defense slots, a click or two of out wit mixed in with his web special, add the scientist keyword and you would have a definitive spider-man for around 100 points in my opinion.
I am a major ASM fanboy, but i don't like to get wiped so playing a good spider-man is important to me. I have played pretty much everyone there is and think this is the best one.
The reason is they have a 50% to miss him assuming they even hit. His D is often 19, hiding behind hindering, or 20-21 if you pick up The Desk. His damage is fine, his attack is strong. He can beat figs +50 of him often.
His webtokens matters about 1/4 of the time, but it can take a turn away from them and that is always good.
I do however hate the sculpt. I like the idea, but it just dosn't work cause when you see him from most angels it's just a dark brick....i modded it with the Ultimate Spider-Man Scuplt (the back pack one.)
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