View Full Version : Regarding political avatars...
OK, I already know the answer, but I want to at least have a discussion.
We are apparently allowed to use political images as avatars. This coming from a little back and forth PMs with a MOD. He said it was the position of the site even though he didn't personally agree with it.
So my question is this -
If we are discouraged from having political discussions in the general forums (and I can agree with that) isn't it inconsistent to allow images that are political statements and especially ones that incite reactions based on political beliefs?
The obvious examples currently are VGA and Hair10. Neither of them are breaking a rule, yet they both get visceral reactions, one with a Palin pic and the other with a "Palin as Joker" pic.
What would the reaction be if someone posted the infamous "Obama as Joker" pic? How about your favorite political figure with a Hitler mustache? Or clubbing baby seals?
Is it all "fair game?" To be fair it should be allowed if "political speech as images" is allowed. In fact, to deny one person an image would be discriminatory if others are allowed images just as objectionable to some.
We are entering election season, and it will be like most - full of hot air and ugliness. (living in the DC area we see it all!)
Do we need billboards of images that tick us off on all sides of political discourse as silent reminders?
Not my sandbox, I don't own this site.
But I do love this site and am concerned that we are on a slippery slope here. One person's "clever satire" is another person's "hate speech."
If you doubt that try publishing a satirical cartoon of the prophet Mohammed.
What do people think?
exodus147
09/06/2010, 10:06
I think I am really excited for WoS this week and could care less about politics, think of VGA's Palin avatar as a dumb hot chick not a politician and you will be fine.
I think I am really excited for WoS this week and could care less about politics, think of VGA's Palin avatar as a dumb hot chick not a politician and you will be fine.
Yeah, but even a dumb chick with the words "Great American" over her head still makes me imagine the entire country being rolled up like a ball of paper and set on fire.
It really just needs to go away.
Also, this should be in the politics thread, not out where everyone can see it, at least that's what I'm sure a mod will say. I agree it should be in question of the forum rules.
We saw all sorts of Obama endorsements in avatars a couple years ago with no protest of which I am aware on the other side. If a simple Palin pic is enough to get someone up in arms, that person may be a little too politically sensitive.
theclixster
09/06/2010, 10:33
Its a picture quit being so sensitive.
Tom, I agree with you 100%.
I thought the point of avoiding political discussion on the Realms was two fold:
1. It helps prevent overheated exchanges from getting out of control and
derailing threads; and
2. It's essentially advertising.
One of the main reasons I got a subscription to the site was to avoid advertising. Now, granted, I could put VGA on ignore (and honestly, should have done so forever ago based on the ludicrous content of most of his postings as much as his hideous avatar).
Nonetheless... to me, that's advertising, and shouldn't be allowed.
We saw all sorts of Obama endorsements in avatars a couple years ago with no protest of which I am aware on the other side. If a simple Palin pic is enough to get someone up in arms, that person may be a little too politically sensitive.
It's not just the Palin pic (although I freely admit that it, along with the tag line, makes my skin crawl.)
It's the principle. I don't remember seeing any Obama avatars, but if there were, the same thing should have applied - at least, before he was elected. Once he's president... eh, that's a little different. Are we going to not allow Nixon pics either, or Kennedy?
theclixster
09/06/2010, 10:41
is palin even running for office? Its an opinion expressed through avatar, so what's next we can't express if we like dc over marvel cuz it may cause debate?
I think I am really excited for WoS this week and could care less about politics, think of VGA's Palin avatar as a dumb hot chick not a politician and you will be fine.
I'm excited enough about WOS to be holding a Midnight Madness game at my venue.
I'm not sure why VGA uses it, my guess is it is for attention rather than a political statement. I'm not sure why Karl uses it but my guess is he's having fun and being ironic rather than political.
My feelings about Palin (or Obama) aren't the point.
THe point is the inconsistency and the inflammatory road we are possibly going down.
I'm sorry, I've been verbally attacked by tea partiers, the entire group makes me a bit 'sensitive.'
Yeah, but even a dumb chick with the words "Great American" over her head still makes me imagine the entire country being rolled up like a ball of paper and set on fire.
It really just needs to go away.
I don't necessarily agree with you, but you make my point.
CowboyBebop
09/06/2010, 10:44
It's political so I think they shouldn't be there at all. Just my opinion. Save it for a different site.
It's not just the Palin pic (although I freely admit that it, along with the tag line, makes my skin crawl.)
This right here.
is palin even running for office? Its an opinion expressed through avatar, so what's next we can't express if we like dc over marvel cuz it may cause debate?
She is obviously a political figure. In fact a polarizing one. That's actually my suspicion as to why VGA uses it, as I stated earlier.
We are discouraged from political discourse outside the politics forum.
DC vs Marvel is encouraged.
So there's a bit of a difference.:cheeky:
HH2011003
09/06/2010, 10:59
I agree with the OP. Political (and religious) arguments are proven messageboard-killers, and putting a Palin2012/Obama2012/WhoEverElse2012 advert on every post one makes is TOTAL flame-bait, whether intentional or not. Even if it comes from a totally earnest desire to support one's political party of choice, it's still DEFINITELY, WITHOUT QUESTION gonna' lead to a nasty fight somewhere.
This is a forum about a superhero miniatures game. I, for one, would prefer the topics stay roughly confined to superheroes, miniatures, and games. I don't think that's too far-fetched.
Amora's_best_friend
09/06/2010, 11:05
America is so strange.
America is so strange.
In this, you are correct. Of course this could be said of ANY country I can think of. But whatevs.
JackAssterson
09/06/2010, 11:33
It's a loophole.
Slade Wilson
09/06/2010, 11:44
why not simply respect each others views and like the beatles said let it be. So what if his avatar is a political person. Do you get upset when somone uses Jesus, satan, Obama, or bouncing boobs? The point is we are only offended when we choose to be. I would say its one of the biggest problems in this country is that people are just too darn sensitive and easily offended.
JackAssterson
09/06/2010, 11:51
This will end well.
Honorable1
09/06/2010, 11:58
I sure love a good seal clubbing.
You should be more like us Canadians, eh?
In Canada, we all make jokes about, mock, and belittle our political figures. Its part of our national inferiority complex. In the end, whoever is mocked the most becomes our 'Chief-Hockey-Touque' wearer, and lives in the 'Grand Igloo'. We call this person our 'Prime Minister' (to make British people feel better about their own society and history, which suffers from an embarrassing lack of bacon and lacrosse)
Yesiree - nothing like a tradition of self-effacing humour to make a nation less sensitive! :)
Ooo - almost forgot - this specifically hasn't become a problem in Canada yet (political avatars), as we're just getting the internet switched over to computers.
gambit38
09/06/2010, 12:08
You should be more like us Canadians, eh?
In Canada, we all make jokes about, mock, and belittle our political figures. Its part of our national inferiority complex. In the end, whoever is mocked the most becomes our 'Chief-Hockey-Touque' wearer, and lives in the 'Grand Igloo'. We call this person our 'Prime Minister' (to make British people feel better about their own society and history, which suffers from an embarrassing lack of bacon and lacrosse)
Yesiree - nothing like a tradition of self-effacing humour to make a nation less sensitive! :)
I say sir, we have plenty of bacon and a ball should be kicked, hit with a bat or carried, if it's to be called a sport at all. chin chin.
Dragon_Rose
09/06/2010, 12:09
You should be more like us Canadians, eh?
In Canada, we all make jokes about, mock, and belittle our political figures. Its part of our national inferiority complex. In the end, whoever is mocked the most becomes our 'Chief-Hockey-Touque' wearer, and lives in the 'Grand Igloo'. We call this person our 'Prime Minister' (to make British people feel better about their own society and history, which suffers from an embarrassing lack of bacon and lacrosse)
Yesiree - nothing like a tradition of self-effacing humour to make a nation less sensitive! :)
Ooo - almost forgot - this specifically hasn't become a problem in Canada yet (political avatars), as we're just getting the internet switched over to computers.
the best reply so far! Rep!!
You should be more like us Canadians, eh?
In Canada, we all make jokes about, mock, and belittle our political figures. Its part of our national inferiority complex. In the end, whoever is mocked the most becomes our 'Chief-Hockey-Touque' wearer, and lives in the 'Grand Igloo'. We call this person our 'Prime Minister' (to make British people feel better about their own society and history, which suffers from an embarrassing lack of bacon and lacrosse)
Yesiree - nothing like a tradition of self-effacing humour to make a nation less sensitive! :)
Ooo - almost forgot - this specifically hasn't become a problem in Canada yet (political avatars), as we're just getting the internet switched over to computers.
Nice!
Funny, off-topic perhaps, but nice!
No wonder Canada gave us so many great comedians!
chrisdosmil
09/06/2010, 12:10
Has anyone ever dipped thier feet in a bowl full of Jell-O? It's a little squishy, but it feels oh so good.
America is so strange.
No doubt, and we Americans are stranger still!:grin:
It's a non-discusion, isn't it?
Note: Sigs, Avatars and Titles are meant to be your way of expressing yourself, as such you are welcome to have religious, political or other personally notable content here. That is what it is meant for.
- Please do not report someone just for having a political cartoon in their Avatar or a link to their church in their signature. (Notably confrontational or intentionally insulting content notwithstanding.) But if you find something that you believe crosses the line, please let us know – we check into every reported post we receive.
This is from the forum rules. Political avatars are explicitly allowed, and anybody who has a problem with it can justy go to his User CP and turn avatars off.
Now, if some idiot wants to have some clearly racist imagery for an avatar, such as the mentioned Obama in whiteface, he can get a regular ban just like anybody else who posts wildly inapropriate content.
Do you get upset when somone uses well lets see:
Jesus makes me laugh at imagination.
satan same as above.
Obama not the same negative conotation, but I don't want him on an avatar either.
or bouncing boobs? makes me smile and drool a little, no problems here.
goldpony
09/06/2010, 12:15
no palin avatars=no washington or lincoln avatars. are we really opposed to putting the founding fathers and the person that ended slavery in avatars?
JackAssterson
09/06/2010, 12:16
It's a non-discusion, isn't it?
Nah. The site rules aren't set in stone, especially if they become a distraction. 'Sides, AZS isn't around any more and as far as I know there's no replacement yet to rule on this. This particular loophole is at least worth a gander.
The discussion (such as it is) lives on!
no palin avatars=no washington or lincoln avatars. are we really opposed to putting the founding fathers and the person that ended slavery in avatars?
/popcorn
It's a non-discusion, isn't it?
This is from the forum rules. Political avatars are explicitly allowed, and anybody who has a problem with it can justy go to his User CP and turn avatars off.
Now, if some idiot wants to have some clearly racist imagery for an avatar, such as the mentioned Obama in whiteface, he can get a regular ban just like anybody else who posts wildly inapropriate content.
I think it needs to be revisited as a rule.
DocDoom187
09/06/2010, 12:19
It's a website about little toy men, and yet pictures of political figured get you worked up? Seems like an overreaction to me.
JackAssterson
09/06/2010, 12:20
It's a website about little toy men, and yet pictures of political figured get you worked up? Seems like an overreaction to me.
/buttered popcorn
/soda
:grin:
It's a non-discusion, isn't it?
This is from the forum rules. Political avatars are explicitly allowed, and anybody who has a problem with it can justy go to his User CP and turn avatars off.
Now, if some idiot wants to have some clearly racist imagery for an avatar, such as the mentioned Obama in whiteface, he can get a regular ban just like anybody else who posts wildly inapropriate content.
Just to be clear, the Obama image I was referring to was "Obama as Joker" and not simply "Obama in whiteface."
While I personally find that insulting I don't see it as racist. Maybe others might. But here once again is the problem. It is fine to do it according to the rules as stated. My question remains, in a politically charged climate where we already have controls on "political speech" is it wise to allow this?
And once again, not my sandbox - those that own this and do all the work should and do make the rules. Just asking what others think.
DocDoom187
09/06/2010, 12:25
This thread makes me want to bash my head through something hard.
AntoineDodson
09/06/2010, 12:25
maybe he doesn't have the Palin avatar because of her politics, he could just be a fan of her work as the voice of the mom from Bobby's World
paladin72
09/06/2010, 12:27
I really don't see the difference it it's Palin or Obama dressed up like the Joker.
What I'm Really sick of is DocDoom187 and his Pro-Gumby/Pro-Ukulele right wing propoganda.
DocDoom187
09/06/2010, 12:31
What I'm Really sick of is DocDoom187 and his Pro-Gumby/Pro-Ukulele right wing propoganda.
You shut your mouth you dirty Pro-Cat communist.
I'm sorry, I've been verbally attacked by tea partiers, the entire group makes me a bit 'sensitive.'
Having been attacked by liberals has left me willing to ignore you
GET OVER IT!
commandercool
09/06/2010, 12:33
Seems like a loophole in the "no politics" rule to me. I'm pretty ardent about not getting politicals in my recreational activities, so personally I'd like to see them go (although of course they'd be fine on the politics board. Maybe dual avatars if you want a political one?). I'm not super concerned with it, but it does bother me a little bit.
Nah. The site rules aren't set in stone, especially if they become a distraction. 'Sides, AZS isn't around any more and as far as I know there's no replacement yet to rule on this. This particular loophole is at least worth a gander.
The discussion (such as it is) lives on!
/popcorn
It's really Typhon's call. As of right now Political Avatars are allowed. There is a question about the difference in just a picture, and a photoshopped insulting picture however.
As always it's Typhon's house and we'll abide by the rules he goes with.
Tarnish
VGA d1sc1pL3
09/06/2010, 12:42
We saw all sorts of Obama endorsements in avatars a couple years ago with no protest of which I am aware on the other side. If a simple Palin pic is enough to get someone up in arms, that person may be a little too politically sensitive.
I was going to be quiet on the subject... but Gawain is right.
For years, we have seen Che Guevara, Noam Chomsky, Al Gore, Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter, and other leftist political figures, including Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (who is an anti-semite, no different that Hitler, who wants to wipe my people (the Jews) off the map.)
Not one person has ever complained.
But lo and behold.. a conservative person posts a picture of Palin... and my God, the world has come to an end.
Those who claim to be the most tolerant are those who are really the most intolerant of others beliefs.
There are other people on the Realms that have Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and Ronald Reagan avatars as well.... and I've seen hateful remarks thrown at them too. But I've never seen it go the other way.
... but let VGA do it.... and we have to burn that guy at the stake. He's one of those white racist homophobes teabaggers (even though I'm Jewish and have gay friends)... he doesn't get to post an avatar we don't like.
Bottom line is grow up and stop being little dictators. We all have our beliefs and we must all respect each other as human beings. I respect your beliefs. Which is why I have NEVER personally attacked someone on these boards for their avatar, signature, or quotes.. and I never will. I'm not some closed-minded, overly-sensitive person that will refuse to let others have their beliefs. I'm not a part of the vocal-minority.. that tries to get their way by crying "rascist, bigot, homophobe" every day with their personal attacks.
umbertoeco
09/06/2010, 12:43
I think the forum rule is worth addressing and discussing. Political speech is not speech or text alone. Images are also political, and the presentation of images can be a political act.
I'm guessing the intention of the current rule is to designate "personal" space in a public forum. Your sig, your avatar, your choice. How the presentation of an image or link is somehow different from political speech is beyond me.
There are many reactions here about sensitivity, and many reactions that reduce the subject matter of this site to something non-political. I think it's very obvious that comic book characters, story lines, and even the subculture behind them are political in nature.
DocDoom187
09/06/2010, 12:44
So true. Though the partisanship depicted is a bit exaggerated, the fact that now a Palin avatar has you up in arms in insanely immature and partisan.
Amora's_best_friend
09/06/2010, 12:44
(even though I have gay friends)
Never use this in any form of argument. It's a categorical shot in the foot. :laugh:
bonkers1978
09/06/2010, 12:45
Let me get this straight. Two years ago when there were a few member who have Obama Change avatar and there were NO uproar but we complaining about Palin (BTW I think she's a moron).
I changed my Avatar because how stupid this thread is.
JackAssterson
09/06/2010, 12:45
NOW the thread's begun.
/comfy chair
/jumbo popcorn
/large soda
Dance, my pretties. Dance for my amusement!
DocDoom187
09/06/2010, 12:46
NOW the thread's begun.
/comfy chair
/jumbo popcorn
/large soda
Dance, my pretties. Dance for my amusement!
Can...can I sit on the big comfy couch?
I'll bring Molly...(Rep for reference)
Never use this in any form of argument. It's a categorical shot in the foot. :laugh:
Ironically, that statement is only harmful to your position when trying to prove you're not homophobic. When discussing racism, women's rights, etc, most people just look at me strangely when I mention that I have gay friends. Go figure.
You do know you can turn off avatars, right?
You can ignore people. you know that right?
Feel free.
Amora's_best_friend
09/06/2010, 12:47
As always it's Typhon's house and we'll abide by the rules he goes with.
Tarnish
I think we put far too much emphasis on ownership, and give far too much benefits to those who own stuff; thus I'd argue that Typhon deserves no more say than anyone else on the matter.
[/Me and my socialist ways]
DocDoom187
09/06/2010, 12:48
I think we put far too much emphasis on ownership, and give far too much benefits to those who own stuff; thus I'd argue that Typhon deserves no more say than anyone else on the matter.
[/Me and my socialist ways]
Considering we pay money to this site, I tend to agree.
umbertoeco
09/06/2010, 12:48
I think the OP was asking about political avatars in general, and used VGA as an example. There doesn't seem to be any need to reduce the discussion to partisan politics.
The original question seems to be whether or not images are different than speech when presenting political views.
VGA d1sc1pL3
09/06/2010, 12:50
It's really Typhon's call. As of right now Political Avatars are allowed. There is a question about the difference in just a picture, and a photoshopped insulting picture however.
As always it's Typhon's house and we'll abide by the rules he goes with.
Tarnish
Yes... the rules do state that avatars cannot be offensive. A photoshop picture of Sarah Palin as the Joker, or Obama with horns, etc. could be offensive and divisive....
... but not to me. To each his own... but forum rules are forum rules, and I respect the forum rules... which is why I never, ever would post the Obama Joker pic... (but I've seen it here before.)
JackAssterson
09/06/2010, 12:50
Can...can I sit on the big comfy couch?
Ok, but you have to have this playing while viewing the thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyhhFzE5O5U
DocDoom187
09/06/2010, 12:52
Ok, but you have to have this playing while viewing the thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyhhFzE5O5U
Will Shatner is my mom's cousin so you know where my allegiances lie.
Amora's_best_friend
09/06/2010, 12:54
[Can anyone fill me in? Is VGA's avatar supposed to be ironic/jokey, or not?]
Sheeplover
09/06/2010, 12:54
I think all avatars should show your support of something. Superman, Captain America, Gumby, Palin, whatever. I don't think avatars should should show things we don't like, that just leads to arguments. Some on here have made avatars just for the expressed purpose of taking a jab at others. It may be allowed, but that doesn't make it right.
God, I can't believe I actually posted about this topic.:tired:
paladin72
09/06/2010, 12:54
Ok, but you have to have this playing while viewing the thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyhhFzE5O5U
Perfect! Good choice!
DocDoom187
09/06/2010, 12:54
[Can anyone fill me in? Is VGA's avatar supposed to be ironic/jokey, or not?]
No. He likes Palin. People are offended because his opinion differs from theirs. Apparently that's is a major major crime in Soviet America.
DocDoom187
09/06/2010, 12:55
I think all avatars should show your support of something. Superman, Captain America, Gumby, Palin, whatever. I don't think avatars should should show things we don't like, that just leads to arguments. Some on here have made avatars just for the expressed purpose of taking a jab at others. It may be allowed, but that doesn't make it right.
God, I can't believe I actually posted about this topic.:tired:
Yet oddly, I see no sheep-loving in your avatar.
Though I think that's for the best :laugh:
VGA d1sc1pL3
09/06/2010, 12:56
I think the forum rule is worth addressing and discussing. Political speech is not speech or text alone. Images are also political, and the presentation of images can be a political act.
I'm guessing the intention of the current rule is to designate "personal" space in a public forum. Your sig, your avatar, your choice. How the presentation of an image or link is somehow different from political speech is beyond me.
There are many reactions here about sensitivity, and many reactions that reduce the subject matter of this site to something non-political. I think it's very obvious that comic book characters, story lines, and even the subculture behind them are political in nature.
So the rules also state that avatars cannot be offensive. If I personally believe that woman shouldn't be displayed as sex objects, with their boobs almost hanging out... should people that have these type of avatars be forced to take them down?
How about political philosophers, such as Naom Choamsky?
The rule is fine as it... but the over-sensitive people need to get a grip.
Bottom line is "If VGA wouldn't have that Sarah Palin avatar" this wouldn't even be being discussed right now. For years upon years, since the beginning of the Realms... political, religious, and sexist avatars have been a part of the Realms.. it was until I had one that the haters came out of the wood work... just like they come out of the woodwork to attack me simply for my opinions they disagree with.
I think we put far too much emphasis on ownership, and give far too much benefits to those who own stuff; thus I'd argue that Typhon deserves no more say than anyone else on the matter.
[/Me and my socialist ways]
While pointedly not getting into a political debate.....
I used the word "house" specifically. Typhon built and pays for this place. We are all guests here. Refusing to obey the rules is bad manners. And just like anyone's "house" if you act up as a a guest, you'll probably be asked to leave and not come back.
Tarnish
drfaust176
09/06/2010, 12:59
Ok, but you have to have this playing while viewing the thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyhhFzE5O5U
Oh. And here I've been listening to this the entire time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnHmskwqCCQ
Amora's_best_friend
09/06/2010, 13:00
No. He likes Palin. People are offended because his opinion differs from theirs. Apparently that's is a major major crime in Soviet America.
That's actually hilarious. I assumed it was a joke.
DocDoom187
09/06/2010, 13:04
That's actually hilarious. I assumed it was a joke.
A sad kind of joke, yes.
VGA d1sc1pL3
09/06/2010, 13:05
While pointedly not getting into a political debate.....
I used the word "house" specifically. Typhon built and pays for this place. We are all guests here. Refusing to obey the rules is bad manners. And just like anyone's "house" if you act up as a a guest, you'll probably be asked to leave and not come back.
Tarnish
I agree. Tarnish... look at all the posts in this thread that personally attack Sarah Palin over and over again (and even a few that attack me for my "ludicrous" opionions.)
I have the feeling if someone came out and bashed Obama in the same way.. that person would have a ban-hammer coming really fast. Double standard here?
It's why I don't post in the political forum anymore. I post in there with a debate... and those who don't agree resort to personal attacks because they don't have a logical leg to stand on. When opponents resort to personal attacks... that means you've already won the argument.
Like I said... those who claim to be the most tolerant... always prove to be the most intolerant.
Grow up children.
robot_100
09/06/2010, 13:05
Wait, I thought he wanted a clix of her to fight Barack the Barbarian in a collector set, with the Governator.
Devils Due comics put those out a while ago.
VGA d1sc1pL3
09/06/2010, 13:06
No. He likes Palin. People are offended because his opinion differs from theirs. Apparently that's is a major major crime in Soviet America.
You basically just summed it up my friend! :)
Amora's_best_friend
09/06/2010, 13:08
Like I said... those who claim to be the most tolerant... always prove to be the most intolerant.
Liberalism isn't about tolerance, it's about rationality.
DocDoom187
09/06/2010, 13:09
Liberalism isn't about tolerance, it's about rationality.
We should probably avoid this line of discussion. ESPECIALLY with people that don't know/understand you ABF :p
VGA d1sc1pL3
09/06/2010, 13:11
Liberalism isn't about tolerance, it's about rationality.
Again.. another personal attack towards those that don't agree with you. So those that aren't liberal are irrational?
This thread needs to be be closed.. period.
robedestroyer
09/06/2010, 13:12
This thread needs to be be closed.. period.
I'll second that. I think it's about to take a very ugly turn and would be best if it was closed before more people are attacked and tempers flare.
What? I'm a Batman fan so I have a Joker avatar. ;)
Personally I'm offended by the user ID 'turdburglar' and by CuriousLurker's Dr. Manhattan's 'nads avatar. Everyone's got issue somewhere if you look long and hard enough.
There is an option not to show avatars (and signatures too) in your User CP.
Amora's_best_friend
09/06/2010, 13:13
Again.. another personal attack towards those that don't agree with you. So those that aren't liberal are irrational?
That door is red. So everything that isn't that door isn't red.
---
That wasn't a personal attack. I was just correcting an implicit flawed assumption.
OK, I had hoped to start a discussion about the inconsistency of allowing overt political expression as an avatar while not allowing it as posts.
I suppose I should have known better than to expect reasonable, thoughtful discourse here. This is HCRealms after all.:cheeky:
For the several folks who took the time to make reasonable, thoughtful posts, thanks for engaging in the discussion.
For everyone else, well, like I said - I should have known better.
If you want the current policy changed PM Typhon. End of of it there really.
I'm closing this before I have to start with Warning points.
Tarnish
zero_cochrane
09/06/2010, 13:45
Just a quick addendum to Tarnish's post:
If you see an avatar or a post that you think is objectionable, the appropriate thing to do is send a PM or hit the Report button.
Complaining about the objectionable avatar/signature/post within the thread itself is not the appropriate thing to do. Unless you just want to get the thread closed, anyway.
Indeed, if the person you are complaining about is an attention-seeker or trying to rile people up, then you've just played into his hands.
Remember, hit PM/Report; don't hit Reply.
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