Clix in an envelope

[d_knight7]

So I got some clix in an envelope...some SR clix in an envelope...some SR clix sent internationally in an envelope.

By some miracle they aren't broken, and checking the forum trading rules there doesn't appear to be anything about only shipping in boxes (which I've already PM'd Phant about adding. I remember it being in the old rules sticky), so I'm thinking I should still leave positive feedback.

Let me just post some pics here then have people leave their thoughts.

1 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/album.php?albumid=1008&pictureid=12036) 2 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/album.php?albumid=1008&pictureid=12037) 3 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/album.php?albumid=1008&pictureid=12038) 4 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/album.php?albumid=1008&pictureid=12039)

As you can see, using the most loose technical definition, the figs were 'in a box'; but you have to count something made from card as flimsy as those ultra thin 3 for $1 birthday cards you can buy, which was then placed in an envelope, and arrived as flat as the envelope.

PS - Just before sending the seller informed me that one of the SR's was missing its card. He offered a full refund but would not give a partial refund because he said that with his shipping costs it was still a good deal. I agreed and went ahead.

[W.I.T]

I recognize that envelope as being from Canada Post :confused: Yikes.

Figures arrived. Nothing was broken. I guess a Positive is warranted. It's kind of a gray area IMO. It happened to me before too, and same situation. SR. Envelope. Everything (luckily) OK. I left Positive Feedback, but in my comments I mentioned it.

It's definitely not a good trading practice.

I also found this in the Trading Rules:

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There weren't damaged, but they sure weren't packaged well to prevent it, only sheer luck did that.

[Jarosa]

Were they in the envelope loose? Or were they protected by cardboard? I've used Envelopes because the post office here will not DC any box if it's too small to fit everything on the front. I simply put the box in an envelope, usually a clix box cut down. If they had been broken would your money have been reimbursed?
Was there any markings of fragile? If not simply test the envelope. Get some old commons or rookies, Indy or Icons are great, and put them inside. Now drop a box on top filled with something, a book perhaps.
Did the clix break?

[viciousbuddha]

So I got some clix in an envelope...some SR clix in an envelope...some SR clix sent internationally in an envelope.

By some miracle they aren't broken, and checking the forum trading rules there doesn't appear to be anything about only shipping in boxes (which I've already PM'd Phant about adding. I remember it being in the old rules sticky), so I'm thinking I should still leave positive feedback.

Let me just post some pics here then have people leave their thoughts.

1 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/album.php?albumid=1008&pictureid=12036) 2 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/album.php?albumid=1008&pictureid=12037) 3 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/album.php?albumid=1008&pictureid=12038) 4 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/album.php?albumid=1008&pictureid=12039)

As you can see, using the most loose technical definition, the figs were 'in a box'; but you have to count something made from card as flimsy as those ultra thin 3 for $1 birthday cards you can buy, which was then placed in an envelope, and arrived as flat as the envelope.

PS - Just before sending the seller informed me that one of the SR's was missing its card. He offered a full refund but would not give a partial refund because he said that with his shipping costs it was still a good deal. I agreed and went ahead.

holy...lol

talk about crazy luck with nothing being broken. you've had a run of bad trades recently man. well this isn't 'bad' per say, but still you know what I mean.

I would definatly want some kind of rule stating that unless you're sending cards or event dials that all clix should be mailed in a freakin' box lol

[d_knight7]

5. ALWAYS USE A BOX
The post office is trying to get figures to people as fast as possible and things get broken.

See, that's in Shell's trading rules, but not in Phant's selling rules. Like I said I PM'd him and I'm sure it'll be rectified in no time.


Jarosa: Most of the answers to your questions are actually in my OP, with pictures even.

No fragile markings.

They were technically in a box shaped item inside the envelope, but it was just a VERY flimsy piece of card taped in to a box shape. I folded a piece of regular paper 3 times and the tensile strength was comparable...

I don't need to put clix in a thinly padded envelope and drop a weight on them to know it was a miracle they didn't get broken; I've worked a Mail Depot before and saw what they do to mail.

As for if I would have gotten a refund? I'd need to be psychic or have access to an alternate reality to really know.


PS - For some reason the $25-$35 worth of clix I paid for had a value of $60 on the customs form. Any ideas why?

[W.I.T]

See, that's in Shell's trading rules, but not in Phant's selling rules. Like I said I PM'd him and I'm sure it'll be rectified in no time.


Jarosa: Most of the answers to your questions are actually in my OP, with pictures even.

No fragile markings.

They were technically in a box shaped item inside the envelope, but it was just a VERY flimsy piece of card taped in to a box shape. I folded a piece of regular paper 3 times and the tensile strength was comparable...

I don't need to put clix in a thinly padded envelope and drop a weight on them to know it was a miracle they didn't get broken; I've worked a Mail Depot before and see what they do to mail.

As for if I would have gotten a refund? I'd need to be psychic or have access to an alternate reality to really know.


PS - For some reason the $25-$35 worth of clix I paid for had a value of $60 on the customs form. Any ideas why?

My common sense is tingling :laugh: Like they say though 'Common sense isn't common'

The only reason I could see them marking the value as being higher, was in case something happened, and they had to make a claim with Canada Post? Since it would have been insured for up to $100.00, they could show CP their copy, with the insured value of $60.00, and make a claim for that amount. At least, that's my thought on it. Otherwise, I've got nothing.................buy hey, what were the chances of anything happening to it, when it was packed and sent with such great care..........:tired:

[Jarosa]

Leave neutral and explain why. That way hopefullt he doesn't do it again since there's written proof he has before. Before someone trades with him they'll maybe see your neutral and explain they don't want the same treatment. It's not negative but neutral would have someone look.

[phantalien]

Rule #5
5. ALWAYS USE A BOX
The post office is trying to get figures to people as fast as possible and things get broken.