Playability vs. Value?

[Azrael0626]

I have received a few trade offers recently where the other party has asked for more than their figure(s) was worth in trade because they say that their figure(s) is a much more playable piece. The market value may be say $50, but they want $75 or more in trade for it. Has anyone else come across offers like this or even ask for more than what your figure is worth because you believe that it is a highly playable piece? I think that SI Spidey is a much more playable piece than the chase zombie Spidey, but I don't think that anyone is going to do that trade with me. If you think that is a good trade, then please pm me quick. :grin:

[Xtriker47]

Playability will give a slight added value but not $25 more.

[Immortal_Raven]

The other person seems to be more of a player than a collector. Thus, they give higher value to a more playable figure like SI Spidey as opposed to an old LE Victor Creed or LE Bruce Banner. I am of that frame of mind, but I also tend to agree with current market value. If he doesn't want to give reasonable market value for a trade, then don't do it. $25 isn't chump change, it's a starter set. Personally, I think the other guy may be trying to artificially inflate the value of his own piece to get a "better" deal in trade.

-Immortal_Raven

[Rurouni KJS]

OTOH, always expect to have to trade a bit more than cash value for valuable and playable pieces.

[Troma99]

...isn't playability factored into costs? I mean Obviously Vapor is worth less than say...Deadpool...or Red She Hulk...

[krusticlese]

Playability has zero factor in trade value to me. I generally look at recent completed auctions to make sure that my offer (or what is being offered to me) is in roughly the same ballpark. I would flat-out refuse a trade where someone wanted to bilk me for an extra $25.00 in figures.

Assuming that 'playibility' is factored into the secondary market value, there's no reason to tack on your own additional value on top of it. That's just being greedy.

I'm all for being fair and using the current market value, but I gotta draw the line at an online fleecing.

[Azrael0626]

Like I said, I had a few offers like this. It wasn't just one in particular, but the other parties were asking for equally playable pieces. Some pieces that they were asking for were even more playable than what they were offering. In all of the time I have been trading here I haven't had someone increase the market value of a piece because it was playable until just recently. I have no problem at all with trying to get the most for your figures or even trying to get a trade that is more in your favor. I always thought that market value was based on rarity, popularity and the playability of a piece.

[kh2003]

I say playability has a certain degree of trade value but not in $25 more. It all depends on the figures as well. If it was a super rare with great playability and in popular demand, i would give it a +$5-10 trade value and this goes the same for chases and that is stretching it already. If you don't feel comfortable with what the other person is offering, just decline.

[Azrael0626]

I say playability has a certain degree of trade value but not in $25 more. It all depends on the figures as well. If it was a super rare with great playability and in popular demand, i would give it a +$5-10 trade value and this goes the same for chases and that is stretching it already. If you don't feel comfortable with what the other person is offering, just decline.

I'm not going to take an offer that I do not feel is of equal value. Especially, if I believe that the other party is inflating the value of their figures. That is not the problem. The problem that I see is that people are trying to add value to figures based on playability when that element is already included in the market value. The difference of a couple of bucks is one thing, but anything over that is what I have a real problem with.

[Cloo41]

First of all, it sounds like this guy was just trying to "steal" that extra $25. Monetary value already has playability factored in like everyone before me has said. Thus why you never see people doing Vapor for Cosmic. It's the reason why market value of HoT Captain America is $10-15+. Do you mind if I ask the specifics, not necessarily who you offered but who they are inflating? I only ask because if this is a recurring trend, the popularity is probably the culprit. Kal-L was one of the most inflated pieces I have seen in my time playing, which in my mind came down to popularity and rarity, not playability (I have one and I am just stating how I feel, I don't want an argument). On topic, when it comes to trading, I mostly go with market value. Playability factors into whether I want them, not what they are worth monetarily. Monetarily, Cosmic Spiderman is worth Groot+Green Goblin+Red She Hulk but I would never do that trade. I would play each of them 5x more than I would play Cosmic. A fair trade in my mind is not always a desirable one to me. But, in the end, this guy was just trying to take you to the bank.

[ccs]

Everyone can value their figures however they choose to....

Sometimes this won't match your own opinion (or market value). When this happens you either continue to dicker or politely decline the trade.

[chrisghast]

thats a rip off, playability is great, but the fact that it's a lower price has to do with rarity, you could probably get one of the figure if you wanted, hence the chase zombie spidey for a common SI spidey would be a stupid trade.

[NoGoCat]

...isn't playability factored into costs? I mean Obviously Vapor is worth less than say...Deadpool...or Red She Hulk...

Like what Troma said here, the playability is already factored in along with rarity and popularity of the character. This is why Sif is worth $2 while Cap Am from the same set and rarity is $10-$20. The playability and popularity of the character drove the price of Cap Am up.

On a side note. If you are trading for a chase, that would change things a bit. People will want more for a chase if you are offering non chase figures

[Troma99]

yes and even if YOU PERSONALLY Don't trade for playability the fact that people trade/buy who DO affect it because if one figure IS more playable Demand for that figure increases.

[zero_cochrane]

I agree that playability is generally incorporated into perceived value already. Otherwise, you'd be able to do a 1-for-1 trade of HoT Captain America and Songbird.

[W.I.T]

I agree that playability is generally incorporated into perceived value already. Otherwise, you'd be able to do a 1-for-1 trade of HoT Captain America and Songbird.

I'll agree with what zero and others have said.

To certain degree, playability will up the value of a figure, but not up it by 50% if it's already a high value figure (for whatever reason).

I always, always avoid (like the plague) any Trade thread that I see with the following:

Have:

common figure X******** (it's a personal favorite so very hard to part with)

Want:

Chase figure Y* (it's a low priority)

:tired:

Really? So you want Chase figures for next to nothing, but your POS common figure is worth a mint? Get out of here with that..........

[Azrael0626]

I'll agree with what zero and others have said.

To certain degree, playability will up the value of a figure, but not up it by 50% if it's already a high value figure (for whatever reason).

I always, always avoid (like the plague) any Trade thread that I see with the following:

Have:

common figure X******** (it's a personal favorite so very hard to part with)

Want:

Chase figure Y* (it's a low priority)

:tired:

Really? So you want Chase figures for next to nothing, but your POS common figure is worth a mint? Get out of here with that..........

That is so very true. I have seen multiple trade threads like that. I have to wonder though if the figure that is hard to part with is part of the person's collection or an extra. I only post my extras, but I do know that some people will post figures that they only have one of.

[krusticlese]

That is so very true. I have seen multiple trade threads like that. I have to wonder though if the figure that is hard to part with is part of the person's collection or an extra. I only post my extras, but I do know that some people will post figures that they only have one of.

Yeah, I do the same. I have my collection in my 'keeps' so they don't show in the h/w list. I'll only post what I don't mind parting with.

[chrisghast]

I post stuff I'm not using even if I only have 1, I like the SR loki from HoT and had 1, but I traded it for KC Shazam! and a yellow lantern, it was pretty even and I didn't like the loki enough to keep it.