WONDER WOMAN vs THOR...?

[4RAGER]

Wondering what you folks think...

Who would win in a knock down, drag out epic battle:

Wonder Woman or Thor ?

I'd like to hear 2 answers. One based on a comic book battle,
and the other based on Heroclix.
For the Heroclix it would be:
(AA) Wonder Woman 248
(HoT) Thor 226

[thugit]

Heroclix: Range wins, so does Thor.

Comics: Super-speed wins, so does Wonder Woman.

[SimonMoon5]

For comparison:

aa023 V Wonder Woman
Team: Justice League
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 248
Keywords: Amazon, JLA, Justice League, Politician, Warrior
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(Attack) Tie Up: Wonder Woman can use Super Strength and Incapacitate (as if she had a range of 6). When she uses Incapacitate and successfully hits a target opposing character, you can give an action token to a second opposing character that has zero or one token that is adjacent to the target, if the attack roll would also hit the second character.

(Defense) Bullets and Bracelets: Wonder Woman can use Invulnerability. When Wonder Woman is the target of a ranged combat attack, she can use Super Senses.

(Damage) Ambassador: Wonder Woman can use Leadership and Perplex (though she can target only other characters).

ha016 E Thor
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 10 :bolt::bolt:
Points: 226
Keywords: Asgardian, Avengers, Deity, Warrior
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(Special) Special: Thor can use Super Strength

[SimonMoon5]

My comics opinion (as a DC fan): Thor wins.

Wonder Woman is one of those characters that can fight with the big boys, even though she never really feels right in such a fight. She's as strong as Superman and she can take a blow from him... but she still needs bracelets to protect herself from bullets. And while she has superspeed, she uses it in a fight as rarely as Superman does. And while Superman vs. Thor was a reasonable fight, I think Wonder Woman being a bit less powerful than Superman would lose to Thor. After all, Thor has his moments (when fighting someone really powerful) where he goes all cosmicy and powerful, but Wonder Woman's really pushing her limits just to fight someone on Superman's level.

In clix, I'm going with Wonder Woman. If she gets a good map to fight on, she can make it hard for Thor to range attack her. And if she hits with the meteorite, he's on his last click (or thereabouts). He can hit her hard with Exploit Weakness, then she flurries him for the KO. And even if he gets a ranged shot off at her, she might avoid it with Impervious, and if she doesn't, she's on her 4th click, she can still charge with the meteorite, and Thor's hurting. If he hits her back, she's got an exploit weakness click, so she hits once more and he's gone.

[4RAGER]

For comparison:

aa023 V Wonder Woman
Team: Justice League
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 248
Keywords: Amazon, JLA, Justice League, Politician, Warrior
m-winga-fistd-indomitableg-starburst10121851012184811175811174711174710174710173891638916389153KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO
(Attack) Tie Up: Wonder Woman can use Super Strength and Incapacitate (as if she had a range of 6). When she uses Incapacitate and successfully hits a target opposing character, you can give an action token to a second opposing character that has zero or one token that is adjacent to the target, if the attack roll would also hit the second character.

(Defense) Bullets and Bracelets: Wonder Woman can use Invulnerability. When Wonder Woman is the target of a ranged combat attack, she can use Super Senses.

(Damage) Ambassador: Wonder Woman can use Leadership and Perplex (though she can target only other characters).

ha016 E Thor
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 10 :bolt::bolt:
Points: 226
Keywords: Asgardian, Avengers, Deity, Warrior
m-winga-fistd-indomitableg-starburst1012185101117510111748101748101638916389164710154711155KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO
(Special) Special: Thor can use Super Strength

very helpful, thanx :)

[4RAGER]

I'm so tempted to give my thoughts...
but I shall wait to see what else you all will say.

[DoomStat]

In heroclix, Thor is the champion if this fight. As stated before, range is the superior form of fighting in this game.

In comics, no matter who the writer is, it should be Thor yet again. Yes, WW is a good, strong fighter... but unfortunately she is no God of Thunder. This fight would remind me of Kingdom Come where Bastion is dominating Superman with his lightning strikes. WW has no chance, though I am sure if she got in a decent sucker punch she would be better off in the fight.

[Thrumble Funk]

Thor on both counts.

[600]

in the comics thor would kick wonder woman's ### plain and simple

i would probably take thor's clix over ww's too

[SlayerOfAres]

Comics id give it to Thor.

Clix that would be a tough fight from either side, But Thor's range give him the advantage.

[E-roc]

This is how I see the fight going down......

Long story short, Thor gains the upper hand but as WW lies there almost defeated Thor's sense of chivalry kicks in and he can't bring himself to deliver the finishing blow.

Thor extends his hand to help WW and in that moment of weakness she kicks him in the junk (cheap shot) and Thor goes down.

Never forget that a woman will do whatever is necessary to win the fight.

Anyone who has ever been divorced can testify to that.

E.

[pokolo]

in Comics i'd have to say Thor, but in a clix battle, i'd have to say it depends on the player!

sure, Thor out ranges Wonder Woman, but what WW has going for her that Thor doesn't.... impervious... Thor would most likely get the first hit in, but if she gets that impervious roll, watch out! all you have to do with WW is base Thor... even if she takes some damage, she will land on her flurry clicks

WW also has 1 extra click of life... given the damage output of these two, it might not matter much that extra click, but it could!

if you are doing just 1 on 1, it could go either way, but Thor getting the upper hand just due to range. in a 300 point team build, Thor is cheaper so there is of course more room to build a team around him, but with the right support, WW can take down Thor.

i think this is a great match up!

[red king]

Thor

X2

Every time.

[fox007]

in heroclix thor hands down thor can out gun Wonder Woman b4 she can get close enough to do damage.
in comics itll be a tough call: wonderwoman is still an amazon and amazons r trained to fight since birth. On the other hand so are asgaurdains. at the end of a long battle i would have to give it to thor in the end.

[UniqueLoginNamor]

Thor is what i like to call an "elastic clause" character. His powers is poorly explained or defined so writers can just make him as powerful as they like.
"Thor just beat Galactus, WTF?"
"Um, Um, he's a god!!"
Like Superman's super-hypnosis or telekinesis

Wonder Woman is similar but she does have limits.

[nivlac713]

In comics its Thor. He is centuries (more?) old, with all the accumilated experience. He is more powerfull, both in strength and in other abilities (lightning, storm control, etc) and I think he is also just plain tougher. Don't get me wrong, he would probably under estimate WW starting out and she would toss him around abit. Then he would start to take her serious like and eventually end it.

In clix, I'm sorry but there is no way to give a clear winner. Yeah, Thor SHOULD get the first attack with his range, but that inperve is huge. If WW gets it even once that could be all there is. Shes hitting for 7 with a heavy for cryin out loud! Thor is too in close, but he is prolly trying to pound away from range as everyone has said is a big advantage. Basically I would say that yeah, Thor has the advantage here, but not that much. If WW gets the first hit in, she's winning hands down. Even if Thor hits first, WW has a chance. This would definately be a fun battle either way.

[Aberrant]

It would be a glorious battle, in comics. Wonder Woman and Thor would be an epic throwdown, neither giving any ground to the other, at least not at first. A lot of this depends on how they go about it. In straight hand to hand, without Mjolnir, Wonder Woman can keep up with Thor, although perhaps not best him.

If Thor decides to let loose with the God of Thunder stuff, it becomes a bit more one-sided. Also, being a God and able to sense divinity (Which flows through Wonder Woman, even if she is not a deity), Thor would not underestimate her. Bravado aside, Thor is not an idiot, he is the principal warrior god of a warrior pantheon.

[Terman8er]

In clix range rules.

In comics?

WW is stronger, very slightly.
WW has the perfect counter to Thor's main weapon, her bracers.
WW is insanely faster than Thor...so much so that if she fights him using her super speed (which she rarely does) it really isn't even a fight as WW will slaughter him.
WW has a weapon that Thor will underestimate and is very susceptible to, her lasso.

In the end WW "should" win but probably wouldn't...can't have a chick out-muscling the big muscle after all.

[CowboyBebop]

In clix range rules.

In comics?

WW is stronger, very slightly.
WW has the perfect counter to Thor's main weapon, her bracers.
WW is insanely faster than Thor...so much so that if she fights him using her super speed (which she rarely does) it really isn't even a fight as WW will slaughter him.
WW has a weapon that Thor will underestimate and is very susceptible to, her lasso.

In the end WW "should" win but probably wouldn't...can't have a chick out-muscling the big muscle after all.

1. WW is stronger based on what information, exactly?

2. I doubt her bracers would help her very much against lightning or a hammer blow.

I like WW but I don't see her beating the most powerful fighter of all the Norse Gods.

[Thrumble Funk]

1. WW is stronger based on what information, exactly?

Same reason Thor is "conclusively stronger" than WW: arbitrary fanboyism. Can't have a "::BLANK:: vs. ::BLANK::" thread without it.

[WolvieFan9]

In Clix, positioning and dice decide the battle. But given two players of similar skill, on the average, Thor will win more often than not. Because, as Terman8er said, "Range rules".

In comics, the writer and editorial direction decide the battle. So the battle would be decided on who's book was selling more and who was more involved in the big summer crossover event. Also, if there was the word "Crisis" in the title.

Since we're not really talking about real people, but we're talking about FICTIONAL characters, their fates are decided by their writers and editors.

[Thrumble Funk]

Since we're not really talking about real people, but we're talking about FICTIONAL characters, their fates are decided by their writers and editors.

Rep for the correct response.

[robedestroyer]

People are talking about WW's super speed, but Thor has that as well (probably even more so). He did fly to the Sun and back in a few moments' time. In Heroclix it would probably be Wonder Woman if the person controlling her is skilled enough to stay behind blocking terrain to get up to Thor. For comics I'll say that if it were the same writer doing both of them, it will be Thor. Character's power levels change so much, it seems the comic writing nowadays has no basis of historical grounding when writing for a character.

P.S. I hate Bendis.

[Terman8er]

1. WW is stronger based on what information, exactly?

2. I doubt her bracers would help her very much against lightning or a hammer blow.

I like WW but I don't see her beating the most powerful fighter of all the Norse Gods.

1. Hercules = Hercules If that is indeed true, and we have no reason to think otherwise, then since Thor = Hercules (strength-wise)...shown many times in Mavel comics...and Wonder Woman is stronger than Hercules, as stated in her comic many times. Ergo WW is stronger than Thor. Unless someone can prove that Hercules does not equal Hercules. I've tried...

2. Her bracers have blocked the "God Wave". That which creates pantheons of gods. FYI a whole pantheon > Mjolnir.

And what really matters in a fight between them is WW's insane speed advantage.

[Terman8er]

People are talking about WW's super speed, but Green Lantern has that as well (probably even more so). He did fly to the Sun and back in a few moments' time.

Hopefully you get it.

[Dremak]

Rep for the correct response.

This is the truth, but totally misses the point. So, meh.

In clix, Thor will take it 9/10 times due to range advantage.

In comics one has to definitively say that Thor wins. Look at it this way, would WW be able to take out DC's Ares or Zeus? I think not. Thor is essentially the combination of these two beings, God of Lightning and War. He killed Bors, the Norse equivalent to the greek Atlus, which I would take to mean he is just as strong or stronger than Odin was and would match up well against Zeus. He is a level of magnitude more powerful than WW.

WW vs. The Prince of Power, Hercules would be a more interesting fight.

[Terman8er]

In comics one has to definitively say that Thor wins. Look at it this way, would WW be able to take out DC's Ares or Zeus? I think not. Thor is essentially the combination of these two beings, God of Lightning and War.

No he is not. Thor is Thor. Ares is Ares (and to compare the two Ares' is crazy as DC Ares is much more powerful than the Marvel Ares ever has beenprotratyed) and Zeus is Zeus. Each universe has their own Greek/Norse Pantheons. Heck DC has delved into the Roman pantheons too, differentiating them from the Greek.

[wickedjohn]

In comics i believe it would depend on whether or not Wonder Woman kept her top on. Distract Thor, Whack!
In clix I think Thor, but only because of the range. But Wonder Woman could use her perplex to lower Thors damage and her incap (don't forget that 6 range).

[SimonMoon5]

Look at it this way, would WW be able to take out DC's Ares or Zeus? I think not.

Bad example. In DC Comics, Wonder Woman killed Ares.

And in the (non-continuity) direct-to-DVD cartoon, she killed Hades (since they used Hades instead of Ares for some reason).

[SilverAgeFlash]

WW strength is equal to that of Gaia, Gaia being the earth. She has the Swiftness of Hermes, and her bracelets should absolutely be able to block Lightning and Hammer strikes considering other things they can take ( Omega Effect)

The Lasso also gives her a big bonus as it is most likely a foreign weapon to Thor, (esp considering its unbreakable)

In comics WW Wins

In Clix Range is king but WW has some things going for her, Namely Perplexing Down Thor's Damage to 4 and Imperv. I think if there were no Objects it would help her more than Thor.

She bases Thor
Perplexes Down dam
Thor Smashes for 4 which is 2 ( or nothing)
WW swings back for 5 with is 3 then Perplexes down his dam again.
Thor Pushes to swing back but only deals 1 after Invul
They Both Clear
WW wings for 4 witch is 2.
Now she can Perplex down his attack down to a 8 or his Dam down to 2 (4 with CCE) an 8 Attack means Thor needs a 9 to hit, but if he does knocks her past 4 dam flurry which is bad so lets say dam.
Thor swings back for 4 which is 2
WW flurries Thor for 2 and 2 which is enough to KO him.

I say that option combined with the possible Imperv Roll says WW wins 60% of the time.

[voNvinGeLimeR]

...the suggestion that this would even
be close is kind of an insult to Thor...but
of course I'm a bit biased.

Call me when the real discussion resumes
for the 5067th time.
(Thor vs the boy scout)

[Thrumble Funk]

This is the truth, but totally misses the point.

You mean back-and-forth wrangling over unprovable assertions until a mod gets tired of seeing it and locks the thread?

Ah, my bad. Carry on. :)

[songwriterz]

I hate answering these things. I am sooooo obviously a Marvel fan that my answer is almost always "Marvel".

However, I just don't see WW pulling off a victory against Thor.

Using the two clix allowed here, I still see Thor winning 8 of 10 matches ... unless the dice rolls are just crappy.

In clix, the dice win every time.

[HouseofEL]

In Clix-A based Thor by Wonder Woman will die. Simple. And as previously mentioned, impervious is a big factor. 33 percent of not taking a hit, Ill take that. Ol Goldie Locks better run-and-gun if he wants to come up on top.

In Comics- I have to give it to Thor. Yea, sure he would probably chuckle to the fact a woman thinks he could make him fall and underestimate Wonder Woman, but once he gets slugged in the face and put on his rear, the Norse God would kick it in another gear and pwn.

[robedestroyer]

Hopefully you get it.

What I get is that Green Lantern deserves Hypersonic Speed on his dial MORE than Superman because Green Lantern utilizes that power more than Supes.

[Terman8er]

What I get is that Green Lantern deserves Hypersonic Speed on his dial MORE than Superman because Green Lantern utilizes that power more than Supes.

In the end it means you don't understand HSS. HSS is "super speed" or the ability to do everything at super speeds. Read a book, build a house, run to the store, some math...everything. Not just traveling from point A to point B like a GL or Thor can/does.

In other words the USS Enterprise, while capable of traveling at warp speeds, does not deserve HSS.

[SlayerOfAres]

In the end it means you don't understand HSS. HSS is "super speed" or the ability to do everything at super speeds. Read a book, build a house, run to the store, some math...everything. Not just traveling from point A to point B like a GL or Thor can/does.

In other words the USS Enterprise, while capable of traveling at warp speeds, does not deserve HSS.

So Supermans lack of awesome and uniqueness at HSS, makes him not a candidate for it right?

[Grinner]

Clix will come down to dice rolls and map.

Thor has the range advantage, which a map can limit. And the big factor - Wonder Woman has 6 clicks where she has a 1 in 3 chance of ignoring any hits from range. If she doesn't make any of them, she's in trouble. If she does, she's got a good chance to base him, at which point he's in trouble.

[readyeddy?]

In comics they meet, they fall in love and run off to bash villains together.

In clix they meet, they fall in love etc. etc.

[robedestroyer]

In the end it means you don't understand HSS. HSS is "super speed" or the ability to do everything at super speeds.

Well, before we get into a debate I think that HSS differs from in the comics to in the game. In the game, the power has a much more broad meaning than in the comics. If we start arguing over what HSS means and understanding it, then we'll end up running in a circle because, as mentioned before, it really does change from one writer to the next. Perhaps what would be more accurate than giving Thor HSS would be to give him a very high movement with Running Shot?

Regardless, rep for a good observation on the power.

[Surfer13]

Comics: Thor.

Heroclix: Probably Thor. The map could make a difference, and the die rolls mean that no match is a sure thing.

[Maniac_nmt]

In comics? Thor - he's been doing it longer and is more powerful. He's stronger, more durable, does actually possess super speed as well (just never uses it, not unlike Superman who gets punched around by non superfast foes), is more skilled, has more experience, and deeper reserves.

In clixs, it's all about the impervious rolls. WW makes 'em? She's going to crush him. She fails 'em? She'll get crushed.

[Thrumble Funk]

In the end it means you don't understand HSS.

I wasn't aware you were privy to the one, conclusive definition of the power Hypersonic Speed.

[Thrumble Funk]

In comics? Thor - he's been doing it longer and is more powerful.

Might want to change that before the inevitable explosion. WW has been around longer than Thor.

Unless you're talking in terms of myth.

[PaxZRake]

I'd write it so that they ended up banging after a good fight where each one appreciated the others warrior spirit.

[Thrumble Funk]

I'd write it so that they ended up banging after a good fight where each one appreciated the others warrior spirit.

But that'd ruin the rich legacy of someone's raped childhood or somesuch.

[flyingicarus]

In comics and Clix alike it should be Thor.

In Clix Thor's got a real advantage in range. WW's advantage is having impervious. Therefore the die would be a huge factor here. I think that by the time Diana gets to him, Thor's already pummeled her solidly.

In comics both are aggressive battlers. WW has a bit more emotional control I believe but Thor's added powers of weather control would hinder her.

[4RAGER]

1. Hercules = Hercules If that is indeed true, and we have no reason to think otherwise, then since Thor = Hercules (strength-wise)...shown many times in Mavel comics...and Wonder Woman is stronger than Hercules, as stated in her comic many times. Ergo WW is stronger than Thor. Unless someone can prove that Hercules does not equal Hercules. I've tried...

2. Her bracers have blocked the "God Wave". That which creates pantheons of gods. FYI a whole pantheon > Mjolnir.

And what really matters in a fight between them is WW's insane speed advantage.

Sounds about right to me.
Well done.

[4RAGER]

Everyone failed to mention,
that in a comic book battle...
there's a pretty decent chance that Wonder Woman could grab
or lasso Thor's hammer away from him,
...and use it.
(personally... I don't think she would need it to defeat Thor)

[robedestroyer]

Thor is the God of Thunder. Wonder Woman has Thunder Thighs. Therefore Thor wins by mastering her thigh pie.

[600]

so somebody that went toe to toe with hulk and lived is gonna lose to wonder woman???? LOL

[songwriterz]

1. Hercules = Hercules If that is indeed true, and we have no reason to think otherwise, then since Thor = Hercules (strength-wise)...shown many times in Mavel comics...and Wonder Woman is stronger than Hercules, as stated in her comic many times. Ergo WW is stronger than Thor. Unless someone can prove that Hercules does not equal Hercules. I've tried...

No, this is not shown many times. In their very first meeting (back in the 60s) Hercules is only able to defeat Thor because Odin was upset with his son and reduced his power. Upon getting his full power set back, Thor easily bested Hercules and has always been shown to be Herc's superior.

[CowboyBebop]

1. Hercules = Hercules If that is indeed true, and we have no reason to think otherwise...

Are you saying that DC Hercules is the same as Marvel Hercules? If so then I disagree. That would be like saying DC Ares is the same as Marvel Ares. They are both based off the same myth but that doesn't make them the same character.

And to the guy who said Thor is both the god of war and storms; that is incorrect. Tyr, Odin, and Freya are all war related gods in Norse mythology. Thor is the god of thunder.

[SimonMoon5]

so somebody that went toe to toe with hulk and lived is gonna lose to wonder woman???? LOL

Well, one could mention that Wonder Woman regularly goes toe to toe with Superman, and Superman always wins the Superman vs Hulk fights in the comics. So, if you want to go by that track record, Wonder Woman = Superman > Hulk = Thor.

I still think Thor would win.

[readyeddy?]

Well, one could mention that Wonder Woman regularly goes toe to toe with Superman, and Superman always wins the Superman vs Hulk fights in the comics.

They had one lamely written crossover fight that was voted on by fanboys. I wouldn't call that "always wins".
If you'll recall the same series had Wonder Woman lose to Storm.

[Maniac_nmt]

so somebody that went toe to toe with hulk and lived is gonna lose to wonder woman???? LOL

Someone who has handedly been wining against a savage Hulk without using any of his godly powers no less.

Thor is Marvel's most powerful hero shy of someone like Genis-vel. Wonder-woman is not.

Thor is stronger than Hercules (Marvel) and has been shown to be stronger than even an enraged Hulk (and that's not a Warrior Madness Thor, but plain ol Thor). He's bested the Surfer, and toppled Ceslstials. His godforce attack has even defeated Galactus.

[4RAGER]

For the record...
I honestly believe that Wonder Woman would likely win
in a comic book based battle.
She's just as strong as Thor.
Faster than Thor.
I think that tactically, she might be a slightly better warrior.
She's smarter than Thor.
She doesn't wear a cape, that could be grabbed and manipulated against her.
Her lasso is a difficult weapon to deal with.
She could definitely pick up and use Thor's hammer.
AND... she deals with Batman all the time,
so she's ready for just about anything.

In Heroclix:
I'd like to get someone to face off against me with Thor and Wonder Woman.
I tried a battle against myself, (trying to be as objective as possible)
and... it does depend on map and dice, of course.
But... Wonder Woman slaughtered Thor, and I honestly believe that,
with her ability to use Perplex against him, her ability to evade damage 33% of the time, and the massive amounts of damage output she is capable of...
Wonder Woman would win at least 60 to 70% of the time.

Thank you all so much for your vigorous and entertaining debates.
(even though the vast majority of you disagree(d) with me)

[commandercool]

I suspect that Wonder Woman would win. If anyone can use Mjolnir it would be her, and she has the super speed to take it from him before he can hit her.

And for the record, of the three people in this room right now we have one vote for Wonder Woman (mine) and two for Thor.

[4RAGER]

This is pretty interesting:

http://www.electricferret.com/fights/issue_160.htm

[readyeddy?]

The one thing I don't get, is why you are all so obsessed with hero vs hero battles. They don't even have any rational reason to fight. What reason would Thor have for fighting Wonder Woman?
It would make more sense to try to decide how well Thor would do if he needed to put Black Adam away or Wonder Woman was faced with a rampaging Destroyer.
Sure it's a standard for the obligatory misunderstanding fight while they eventually sort things out and figure out who they should really be tangling with, but unless one of them flipped to the dark side, I don't see any reason for either of them to fight to a decision.

[SimonMoon5]

They had one lamely written crossover fight that was voted on by fanboys. I wouldn't call that "always wins".
If you'll recall the same series had Wonder Woman lose to Storm.

Right, the voting part is obviously bogus. But don't forget the other big Superman vs Hulk fight. I think it was in the second Superman & Spider-Man tabloid. It was rather embarrassing for the Hulk. The Hulk came rushing out at Superman... only to bounce off, with Superman hardly even noticing the Hulk was there.

And Superman vs Juggernaut (who was in the Hulk's class back then before he became "Huggernaut") happened in DC vs Marvel (not a voted on fight), and it had Juggernaut bounce off of Superman, again with Superman hardly noticing. Most of these Marvel strong guys just can't compete with the DC strong guys. Superman even beat Thor in JLA/Avengers.

But I still think Thor would beat Wonder Woman. Heck, Thor took on a Celestial at one point.

[Thrumble Funk]

It was rather embarrassing for the Hulk. The Hulk came rushing out at Superman... only to bounce off, with Superman hardly even noticing the Hulk was there.

The early-2000s Hulk vs. Superman crossover is FAR more equitable, and better written. Best way a crossover can go, IMO.

Most of these Marvel strong guys just can't compete with the DC strong guys. Superman even beat Thor in JLA/Avengers.

And if I were writing it, Hulk would throw Superman into another galaxy to be eaten by Ego, Batman would defeat Elektra via sex coma, and Robin would be killed by Wolverine.

See how that works?

[Thrumble Funk]

Well, one could mention that Wonder Woman regularly goes toe to toe with Superman, and Superman always wins the Superman vs Hulk fights in the comics.

Reference to the contrary:

http://www.supermantv.net/wallpaperbattles/supermanvshulkclassic.htm

[Terman8er]

so somebody that went toe to toe with hulk and lived is gonna lose to wonder woman???? LOL

Perhaps I should also mention Hulk should get curb-stomped by WW. Her speed and her lasso would result in a hog-tied pissed-off Hulk. I guess, after quite a long struggle just how "unbreakable" that lasso really is.

No, this is not shown many times. In their very first meeting (back in the 60s) Hercules is only able to defeat Thor because Odin was upset with his son and reduced his power. Upon getting his full power set back, Thor easily bested Hercules and has always been shown to be Herc's superior.

Beating someone has squat to do with strength. When I say Thor = Hercules I am talking pure physical strength.

There is a Thor annual that depicts them arm wrestling. It says they meet up once a year for this. And every year it ends the same way. They destroy the area they are in and the match ends in a stalemate.

Ergo Thor and Herc are equals in strength.

Are you saying that DC Hercules is the same as Marvel Hercules? If so then I disagree. That would be like saying DC Ares is the same as Marvel Ares. They are both based off the same myth but that doesn't make them the same character.

I am saying that a general property must be assumed to be equal until such time an example proves they aren't equal occurs. And in regards to DC and Marvel Ares that difference has been depicted numerous times. In regards to Hercules/Herakles this event hasn't yet occured, if it will. Marvel Herc has dragged Manhattan and proven himself the equal of Thor. DC Herk has held Atlas' task for a time and is used as the basis for WW and Captain Marvel's strength (both of which are slightly stronger than Herk) and they are both slightly below Superman who's dials go, as well all know, to 11 compared to Thor's 10. :)

Thor is stronger than Hercules (Marvel) and has been shown to be stronger than even an enraged Hulk (and that's not a Warrior Madness Thor, but plain ol Thor). He's bested the Surfer, and toppled Ceslstials. His godforce attack has even defeated Galactus.

No Thor has never been shown to be stronger than a full powered Herc (Zeus reduced his power/strength in half for a while) nor has he been shown as "stronger" than an "enranged" Hulk...his equal? Yes....which in itself is cool.

But I still think Thor would beat Wonder Woman. Heck, Thor took on a Celestial at one point.

That's an exaggeration. Thor popped a Celestial in the head (from within his head) with a "Godforce" blast that in turn got the Celestial's attention. That's like saying an intestinal parasite "beat me" because it made me go potty. :)

[readyeddy?]

Right, the voting part is obviously bogus. But don't forget the other big Superman vs Hulk fight. I think it was in the second Superman & Spider-Man tabloid. It was rather embarrassing for the Hulk. The Hulk came rushing out at Superman... only to bounce off, with Superman hardly even noticing the Hulk was there.

And Superman vs Juggernaut (who was in the Hulk's class back then before he became "Huggernaut") happened in DC vs Marvel (not a voted on fight), and it had Juggernaut bounce off of Superman, again with Superman hardly noticing. Most of these Marvel strong guys just can't compete with the DC strong guys. Superman even beat Thor in JLA/Avengers.

But I still think Thor would beat Wonder Woman. Heck, Thor took on a Celestial at one point.
I don't think we read the same books. Neither of those examples happened.
In the first one Superman manages to calm the Hulk down by destroying Doom's device that agitated him. Superman even says "No one in their right mind would want to fight the Hulk".
They never even showed Superman mix it up with Juggernaut. Which is another reason why that series was so lame.

[SimonMoon5]

Marvel Herc has dragged Manhattan and proven himself the equal of Thor.

Though this action (which was nicely depicted in the Marvel No-Prize book) was later revealed to be merely Hercules boasting rather than an event that actually occurred. Don't ask for a cite though, since I don't recall where this was revealed (an issue of Thor, I think).


DC Herk has held Atlas' task for a time and is used as the basis for WW and Captain Marvel's strength (both of which are slightly stronger than Herk)

Well, Captain Marvel isn't supposed to be stronger than Hercules. He's supposed to be *as strong* as Hercules.

And... sigh... you're gonna make me bring it up... in the "Trials of Shazam!" series, we learn that the Hercules that gives Captain Marvel his powers is not the same Hercules as the Herakles of the Amazons. None of the Shazam gods are the same as the more well-known deities/heroes of the same name. They are apparently hundreds of guys named "Hercules", and it was just one of those thousands of Hercules-es that empowers Captain Marvel. God, I throw up in my mouth a little bit just typing that.


That's an exaggeration. Thor popped a Celestial in the head (from within his head) with a "Godforce" blast that in turn got the Celestial's attention. That's like saying an intestinal parasite "beat me" because it made me go potty. :)

Well, as I recall, even getting the attention of a Celestial is a pretty big deal. That's harder than getting Galactus' attention, and no mere superhuman can ever do that... (well, at least that used to be the case pretty much).

[DTM]

Id go Thor in the comics, and due to Running Shot, 10 Range and 5 Damage, Id probably go Thor in Heroclix as well.

[UniqueLoginNamor]

1)He-man can kill Superman (reference the cross over)

2)Wonder woman has the potential to kill Superman (he can't break the lasso, the tiara can cut him, etc). It would never happen because he's f-ing Superman so he always wins no matter what.

3) Thor is approximately equal to superman, being within one standard deviation of the mean

4) Pi is approximately 3.14159265358979323

5) Daredevil just blows compared to Spider-man. DD can't see but has super senses. Spidey has better senses then DD and can see and can lift 10 tons, and has webbing and wall crawling.

6) Darth Vader is the son of the Force.

7)Batman can beat stuff when he has time to prepare.

8) The Fibonacci sequence is related to everything

Therefore this formula: let x equal who wins

x= [1+(pi*233/144)/(s)(sq root of 7)(q)] + W^2/A -Batman Prep time

q= Number of moronic powers Superman used once or twice
s= the number of times Swamp-Thing appeared in Infinite Crisis
W= Wonder woman's bra size
A= the difference in age between Thor and WW

Therefore Batman and He-man fight Swamp-Thing and loose but Batman prepares and joines force with Swamp Thing the pi times radius squared.

The winner is...

GODZILLA

Feel free to check my math. i may have messed up

[Grinner]

They never even showed Superman mix it up with Juggernaut. Which is another reason why that series was so lame.

It was in one of the Marvel vs. DC books, and it was even dumber than it sounds, because Cain was robbing a bank when he ran into Superman.

[Thrumble Funk]

1)He-man can kill Superman (reference the cross over)

2)Wonder woman has the potential to kill Superman (he can't break the lasso, the tiara can cut him, etc). It would never happen because he's f-ing Superman so he always wins no matter what.

3) Thor is approximately equal to superman, being within one standard deviation of the mean

4) Pi is approximately 3.14159265358979323

5) Daredevil just blows compared to Spider-man. DD can't see but has super senses. Spidey has better senses then DD and can see and can lift 10 tons, and has webbing and wall crawling.

6) Darth Vader is the son of the Force.

7)Batman can beat stuff when he has time to prepare.

8) The Fibonacci sequence is related to everything

Therefore this formula: let x equal who wins

x= [1+(pi*233/144)/(s)(sq root of 7)(q)] + W^2/A -Batman Prep time

q= Number of moronic powers Superman used once or twice
s= the number of times Swamp-Thing appeared in Infinite Crisis
W= Wonder woman's bra size
A= the difference in age between Thor and WW

Therefore Batman and He-man fight Swamp-Thing and loose but Batman prepares and joines force with Swamp Thing the pi times radius squared.

The winner is...

GODZILLA

Feel free to check my math. i may have messed up

You win. Debate over.

[Thrumble Funk]

It was in one of the Marvel vs. DC books, and it was even dumber than it sounds, because Cain was robbing a bank when he ran into Superman.

Juggs gotta eat.

[fox007]

1)He-man can kill Superman (reference the cross over)

2)Wonder woman has the potential to kill Superman (he can't break the lasso, the tiara can cut him, etc). It would never happen because he's f-ing Superman so he always wins no matter what.

3) Thor is approximately equal to superman, being within one standard deviation of the mean

4) Pi is approximately 3.14159265358979323

5) Daredevil just blows compared to Spider-man. DD can't see but has super senses. Spidey has better senses then DD and can see and can lift 10 tons, and has webbing and wall crawling.

6) Darth Vader is the son of the Force.

7)Batman can beat stuff when he has time to prepare.

8) The Fibonacci sequence is related to everything

Therefore this formula: let x equal who wins

x= [1+(pi*233/144)/(s)(sq root of 7)(q)] + W^2/A -Batman Prep time

q= Number of moronic powers Superman used once or twice
s= the number of times Swamp-Thing appeared in Infinite Crisis
W= Wonder woman's bra size
A= the difference in age between Thor and WW

Therefore Batman and He-man fight Swamp-Thing and loose but Batman prepares and joines force with Swamp Thing the pi times radius squared.

The winner is...

GODZILLA

Feel free to check my math. i may have messed up

hold up wait wait wait u forgot to carry the 2. the winner is not who u say it is actually
Mickey Mouse

[UniqueLoginNamor]

hold up wait wait wait u forgot to carry the 2. the winner is not who u say it is actually
Mickey Mouse

But according to the new Secret Night (or Blackest Invasion)

Mickey Mouse IS Godzilla

[fox007]

But according to the new Secret Night (or Blackest Invasion)

Mickey Mouse IS Godzilla

gasp i did not know this, this this is big we have to alert the media

[PaxZRake]

And if I were writing it, Hulk would throw Superman into another galaxy to be eaten by Ego, Batman would defeat Elektra via sex coma, and Robin would be killed by Wolverine.

See how that works?

I think Elektra would beat Batman in the sex fight. Mostly because she's been with Daredevil, and Daredevil has been with EVERYBODY.

[DTM]

The one thing I don't get, is why you are all so obsessed with hero vs hero battles. They don't even have any rational reason to fight. What reason would Thor have for fighting Wonder Woman?
It would make more sense to try to decide how well Thor would do if he needed to put Black Adam away or Wonder Woman was faced with a rampaging Destroyer.
Sure it's a standard for the obligatory misunderstanding fight while they eventually sort things out and figure out who they should really be tangling with, but unless one of them flipped to the dark side, I don't see any reason for either of them to fight to a decision.

Personally, when I used to do solo Vs. Battles, I stuck primarily with Hero vs Hero (or Villain vs. Villain), as they make for more even and fair matches, as in the comics (which is where we all get our examples and proofs from), the Heroes defeat the Villains WAY more often than the reverse. To me Capt Marvel vs. Abomination is not nearly as debatable as Capt Marvel vs. Hulk, nor is Thor vs. Bizarro when compared to Thor vs. Superman.

[Terman8er]

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EPIC MATH REP!

Alas...You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to UniqueLoginNamor again.

[Maniac_nmt]

Right, the voting part is obviously bogus. But don't forget the other big Superman vs Hulk fight. I think it was in the second Superman & Spider-Man tabloid. It was rather embarrassing for the Hulk. The Hulk came rushing out at Superman... only to bounce off, with Superman hardly even noticing the Hulk was there.

And Superman vs Juggernaut (who was in the Hulk's class back then before he became "Huggernaut") happened in DC vs Marvel (not a voted on fight), and it had Juggernaut bounce off of Superman, again with Superman hardly noticing. Most of these Marvel strong guys just can't compete with the DC strong guys. Superman even beat Thor in JLA/Avengers.

But I still think Thor would beat Wonder Woman. Heck, Thor took on a Celestial at one point.

Okay, but by that standard Pre-Crisis Supes couldn't beat the Hulk physically, and had to resort to other methods. As even doing his 'I'm the Juggernaut' schtick was said to be in doubt as Hulk got angrier.

Sooo.....

[songwriterz]

Meh. I'm a Marvel Zombie. Marvel wins. Every time.

Squirrel Girl vs. Superman - Squirrel Girl wins!

Hell, even Aunt May could beat Supes: she'd just beat 'im with her purse until he got frustrated and flew away.

[CapnMorgan]

I was thinking of starting a thread like this but thankfully I searched first.

(comic) In a close up fight without her getting hit by lightning, I would say Wonder Woman would win. I know that both Thor and Wonder Woman are warriors born and bred, but Thor seems to rely more on his hammer in a close up fight. Half the time I've seen Thor fight without his hammer, he gets beaten. Wonder Woman being an Amazon would have more unarmed combat training.

(clix) I've fought that Thor with the AA wonder woman, and it ended in a stalemate. They are both indomitable, but wonder woman does have some advantages on Thor. She can run to hindering to make it harder to shoot while perplexing down his damage to four. So even if he hits first and she misses her Imperv roll, you only knock her to that special def click from range. So pretty much same effect as keeping impervious. If WW makes it to Thor untouched, then that's where the fight gets interesting. I didn't make it to thor without taking two clicks after the aforementioned perplex and damage. So we both had invulnerability on defense. I've seen another match such as ours, but their Thor missed her entirely until she based him. So Impervious can make a difference when basing a thunder god. We kept knocking each other to our last clicks until about five minutes to time end, then we just started whiffing like there was no tomorrow. This new Thor thankfully doesn't have the glass jaw that Ultimates had, but you still would rather rain down the thunder than base a Princess of the Amazons wielding the Beer Keg from Hades! (That would be the power generator from Danger room set.)

So when it comes down to it, the dice will decide on the clix game, and in my opinion Wonder Woman would most likely win in comics.

[Terman8er]

Please don't take that M/DC carp (with Storm) as anything other than garbage. WW has taken more electricity than I have ever seen Storm dish out, unphased.

[da_turtledude]

WONDER WOMAN Wins 99% of the time ! there is no fight. Any married man would know the woman always wins no mattar what. I mean even Thor would get tired of it if he was ! But comic book based i still think wonder woman would win.

[FrankCastle80]

clix: Thor
Comics: Thor

[songwriterz]

WONDER WOMAN Wins 99% of the time ! there is no fight. Any married man would know the woman always wins no mattar what. I mean even Thor would get tired of it if he was ! But comic book based i still think wonder woman would win.

A lady on radio said the other day, of other women, "I don't care who you are, I don't care how pretty you are, I don't care what kind of body you have - some man out there somewhere is sick of your ####!"