Precision dice anyone?

[ChiRocker]

I have currently been doing research in cheap precision dice and I am now doing my last piece of research: finding my customers!

Let me say first thing that this is 100% legal, and that these dice are only special in that they are casino precision (so no superheroes).

Anyway, what I have to offer are 3 kinds of dice: 99% precision casino dice that start retail at $4 retail, 99.9% precision casino dice that start retail of $7.50, and 99.9% precision backgammon dice that start retail at $15.

I figure that we could do a set of 90% and 99.9% casino dice, but the backgammon are just too much (backgammon have rounded edges, casino have straight).

Now, there are several different colors: red, blue, green, and amber (with black and white for the 99.9% ones too).

It will be better to just pick 1 color, as I will need to order 1000 of each color to get a discount. That said, I will not be ordering any unless I get orders for 1000+ dice.

So, if you are interested in purchasing either the 99% or the 99.9% dice, let me know, let me know what color you do NOT want, and let me know what you would be willing to pay. I will making up my own discount schedule for these soon, but I would like to get some info from you guys before I post it. I will most likely be taking orders soon, but I might let this simmer for a week or so.

Anyway, just post here your answers to my questions, and let's get this ball rolling!

[JDKenada]

Precision dice....in other words, less likely to be weighted?

Sorry, I'm just not that familiar with the term.

[d_knight7]

Precision dice....in other words, less likely to be weighted?

Sorry, I'm just not that familiar with the term.

Regular mass produced dice are unequal, and tend to fall on certain numbers more than others. That's why every gamer talks about 'lucky' or 'cursed' dice.

Precision dice, like casino dice, are truly random.

[Thrumble Funk]

Precision dice....in other words, less likely to be weighted?

Sorry, I'm just not that familiar with the term.

Agreed.

This is why I have me some WikiPedia:

Precision casino dice, used for the game of craps, may have a polished finish, making them transparent, or a sand finish, making them translucent. Casino dice have their pips drilled, and then filled flush with a paint of the same density as the acetate used for the dice, such that the dice remain in balance. In casino play, a stick of 5 dice is used, all stamped with a matching serial number to prevent a cheater from substituting a die.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

They're more fair. Most dice have rounded corners from being put in a rock polisher to remove the paint used for pips-- they don't wear 100% evenly in the polisher. To make matters worse, having rounded edges means they roll more, and are more likely to find a biased side (if they have one).

In terms of clix percentages, it probably doesn't affect games in any significant way, but the precision dice *are* scientifically more fair.

[ChiRocker]

Yup, precision means not weighted. I have 99% precise and 99.9% precise.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

That's why every gamer talks about 'lucky' or 'cursed' dice.

Gamers would talk about lucky or cursed dice even with 100% fair dice. Human nature to see patterns where there aren't any.

[Thrumble Funk]

Gamers would talk about lucky or cursed dice even with 100% fair dice. Human nature to see patterns where there aren't any.

::Mumbles something about the numbers being bad::

[d_knight7]

Gamers would talk about lucky or cursed dice even with 100% fair dice. Human nature to see patterns where there aren't any.

Absolutely true, but that doesn't change the fact that a badly made die can tend toward certain numbers ;)

Plague riddled hypochondriac: "Help me doctor, I'm dying of plague!"

Doctor: "It's always something with you."

[ChiRocker]

Feel free to keep talking about the issue, but if you could please help me out at the same time that would be great =]

Thrumble Funk is willing to order 1 pair of 99.9 precise green dice, but please post here instead of pming me. Thanks.

[d_knight7]

Sorry about the derail Chi.

I've been mulling over switching to precision dice after seeing a ranting crazy man explain precision dice in a video.

It's hard for an old gamer such as myself to give up on the bag of gnarled old dice I've used for decades, but I'm very tempted.

Should I take the plunge I'll be sure and post.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

All fair enough. Chi, do you have pictures?

[Thrumble Funk]

It's hard for an old gamer such as myself to give up on the bag of gnarled old dice I've used for decades, but I'm very tempted.

Agreed. But if I get my pair, they'll be my James Bond-ish dice: Cold. Precise. Possibly drunk.

[ChiRocker]

All fair enough. Chi, do you have pictures?

Not at the moment. I will ask.

[TH0MAS5]

I would buy the 99.9 in black then red and
No other colors.

[TH0MAS5]

I would buy the 99.9 in black then red and
No other colors.

* But only if stamped (with numbers or letters I guess) *

[Byzantine]

Do they come in various colors or appearances? I tend to like translucent green dice.

[ChiRocker]

Not the most revealing pictures, but these are what we got:
99.9%
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=922&pictureid=12670
90%
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=922&pictureid=12669

[WakandaMan]

Are they translucent? What colour are the pips?

Is it possible to see pictures of them at all?

[WakandaMan]

Not the most revealing pictures, but these are what we got:
99.9%
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=922&pictureid=12670
90%
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=922&pictureid=12669

Guess I should have read the whole thread before asking. ;)

[robedestroyer]

Do they have sharp corners? I've gotten some that are casino precision dice and I just can't use them anymore because they put "pock marks" all over my maps and really chew them up.

[ChiRocker]

Do they have sharp corners? I've gotten some that are casino precision dice and I just can't use them anymore because they put "pock marks" all over my maps and really chew them up.

The casino dice do have sharp corners. Backgammon dice have rounded, but are a lot more expensive.

Here (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AtI07vhn0KHydHZsQ1N3cTdzeFRMMVNxOEJ5bnU2SWc&output=html) is a possible discount schedule for these dice. Ask any questions if you need to.

I will be selling these in quantities of 2's and 5's, but if you want some random number like 13, just use the same price as the number above it (yes the more expensive one).

[ChiRocker]

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/blog.php?b=2949

This is the blog post I will use. If you plan on buying, post there. There is no garauntee that I will be able to make this order happen, but if you plan on making an order, post it there, but if you don't plan on making an order, please don't post there. I don't need people making orders and then bailing on me.

[Dikarika]

The casino dice do have sharp corners. Backgammon dice have rounded, but are a lot more expensive.

Here (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AtI07vhn0KHydHZsQ1N3cTdzeFRMMVNxOEJ5bnU2SWc&output=html) is a possible discount schedule for these dice. Ask any questions if you need to.

I will be selling these in quantities of 2's and 5's, but if you want some random number like 13, just use the same price as the number above it (yes the more expensive one).

I'm assuming I read this correctly and it says $4.00 per die ($8.00 per pair) and getting cheapest at $2.75 per die ($5.50 per pair) at higher quantities.

That is doable, but I was really hoping for some backgammon dice. $15 a die seems to be the cheapest I've ever found for those also, and it seems no discount for them exists...

If everyone else is ordering, I'll take two sets of whatever. I don't care what color. ;)

[ChiRocker]

I'm assuming I read this correctly and it says $4.00 per die ($8.00 per pair) and getting cheapest at $2.75 per die ($5.50 per pair) at higher quantities.

That is doable, but I was really hoping for some backgammon dice. $15 a die seems to be the cheapest I've ever found for those also, and it seems no discount for them exists...

If everyone else is ordering, I'll take two sets of whatever. I don't care what color. ;)

There is a discount for them at 1000, but I would rather keep it to 2 different options (one being a cheeper option) so that I can reach the discount easier. Keep in mind that I cannot order these at discount until I get 1000 dice.

[Dikarika]

There is a discount for them at 1000, but I would rather keep it to 2 different options (one being a cheeper option) so that I can reach the discount easier. Keep in mind that I cannot order these at discount until I get 1000 dice.

You know what that means, right?

Backgammon. The game played by filthy rich swine.

Lucky bastiches. :(

[ghosta]

Someone told me the precision dice were larger than our normal dice. Is this true? I've almost bought some off of evilbay.

[ChiRocker]

These are 19mm.

[ChiRocker]

Remember to post the color you would like us to use as well. I am thinking of doing a different color for the 99 and 99.9 so I don't get them mixed up when sorting.

And we can always choose a different color next time =]

[Jerry_Damage01]

These are 19mm.

For comparison sake, how big were the other dice from the custom run?


Also, I'll order a pair. I'd prefer Blue or Green but I'll order whatever the majority goes with as I'd imagine white or black or red will win out.

[ChiRocker]

For comparison sake, how big were the other dice from the custom run?


Also, I'll order a pair. I'd prefer Blue or Green but I'll order whatever the majority goes with as I'd imagine white or black or red will win out.

the chessex ones were 16mm so a little bigger, but not by much.

[Jerry_Damage01]

the chessex ones were 16mm so a little bigger, but not by much.

Sweet. I was imagining it to be quite a bit larger, but if they are that close in size then it makes it even better.

Cmon people, you know you want some precision dice. :)

[mattsolo]

The cheapest way I have found to get Precision dice is go to the boats. Thugit has picked up several sets of Casino dice at the souvenir shop and they roll like dice should.

[Jerry_Damage01]

The cheapest way I have found to get Precision dice is go to the boats. Thuit has picked up several sets of Casino dice at the souvenir shop and they like dice should.

I've only been to one casino, which was in Aruba, and I really kick myself for not getting a pair of dice from them. Oh well, next time I go back I'll be sure to get a pair of them.

[ChiRocker]

At the moment, I am leaning toward green for the 99.9 dice. It also seems that most people are willing to pay the extra $1.50 for a more precise die, so i may drop the other one completely. Let me know if this would bother you.

This has, of course, been up for one day, and this could very well change. Make sure to tell your lcs today about this deal, and bring a printout of my discount schedule in case they want bulk.

[Bat-Dude]

OCD me wants a set of black and a set of white in the non-$15 price range.

Fanboy me will probably never stop using my Venom and Batman dice.

[ChiRocker]

OCD me wants a set of black and a set of white in the non-$15 price range.

Fanboy me will probably never stop using my Venom and Batman dice.

My venom dice are in my pocket at the moment =]

[ChiRocker]

Remember to post potential orders in my blog (now linked in my sig for easier access).

[red king]

If you worry about pock marks in the maps, do what I do....

I have a table in my basement set up just for Heroclix. I lay my maps down and have a sheet of plexiglass that I lay over that. Now no one messes up my maps.

[ChiRocker]

So far I have twelve 99.9 dice claimed (so long as they are black) but no one has shown interest in the 99 dice on the blog post yet, but I have gotten a lot of interest with no real number attached. I would like to move a little faster, as the faster it moves the less time the early birds will have to wait.

Also, some regular bumping will be nice.

[d_knight7]

Do they have sharp corners? I've gotten some that are casino precision dice and I just can't use them anymore because they put "pock marks" all over my maps and really chew them up.

Yeah you have to use some kind of dice rolling dish or mat, all precision dice come with sharp corners.

[ChiRocker]

Yeah you have to use some kind of dice rolling dish or mat, all precision dice come with sharp corners.

Unless you want to pay $15 a die.

[red king]

If you dont like the sharp corners just file them down.

bump?

[ChiRocker]

So at the bottom of my OP in my blog, I will keep a monetary goal for both kinds of dice. Currently, after the handful of orders I have so far, I will need $5,025 until we can order the 99.9 dice, and I have not received any orders for the 99 dice, so that is still at $2,750. Both values are what it would cost me to place the minimum order less what I have been pledged so far. I have only gotten 1 request for a "must" color so far, and that is Black. If black is a deterrent to your order, then I will tentatively switch it back to green, but if black does not affect whether or not you will buy, then that is the color of choice at the moment.

[flatmatt]

If you dont like the sharp corners just file them down.

bump?
Would kind of defeat the purpose of precision dice, though, wouldn't it?

[ChiRocker]

any more takers?

[ChiRocker]

I am guessing that this is not going to take. If the guys who signed on wouldn't mind paying $7.50 for dice (plus some S&H) I could put this together, and yo could get whatever color you wanted, but it would be cheaper just to bid on some used casino dice on ebay =\

[Jerry_Damage01]

I am guessing that this is not going to take. If the guys who signed on wouldn't mind paying $7.50 for dice (plus some S&H) I could put this together, and yo could get whatever color you wanted, but it would be cheaper just to bid on some used casino dice on ebay =\

Is that 7.50 per pair or 7.50 per die? Either way I'm still in if you want to do a small order. :)

[bludd72]

i would like a pair of the 99.9 in Blue please. the 7.50 ones....im strapped for cash after all my recent purchases :cry: otherwise i'd gladly order more.

[red king]

Would kind of defeat the purpose of precision dice, though, wouldn't it?

Not if you did your filing precisely.

[ChiRocker]

Is that 7.50 per pair or 7.50 per die? Either way I'm still in if you want to do a small order. :)

Per die. That is how much they are without the discount.

[ChiRocker]

interesting new development. I may be able to work with an ebay seller to get a large quantity of random actual casino dice. The dice would be sold in pairs, but I would have no say in what the dice looked like. That said, I could sell pairs for $5 shipped if this works out (and probably stick with $1.50 per dice with a $2 domestic, $4 international shipping fee). I am waiting to hear back from him about this, but he currently sells quantities of 20 for $20 ~weekly with a $7 shipping. I am going to see if he can sell like 100+ $1 ea but also for just $7 shipping. Otherwise, I can sell them to you guys for $2-$2.50 per die and just constantly buy from him week from week and sell them in lower quantities to you guys. Sorry for the radio silence this past week.

[mattsolo]

Interest peaked. Keep us informed. I can do $5 for a pair of Casino dice shipped.

[Dikarika]

I'm keeping track of this, but thus far, I'm thinking I'll "Bite the Bullet" and save up for a pair or two of Precision Backgammon Dice. I just really don't care for square corner dice rolling on the maps and my venue is limited in space as it is (no dice tray to roll in...).

Maybe if the price is right, I'll join in. As I said, I'll be poking around and watching the thread.

[bludd72]

this deal gets better and better :)

[ChiRocker]

Still no word from the ebay seller. I might just start being a regular customer of his and buy them when I see them. I can spot the $27 for the first order, but it may be a little more expensive (like a dollar or 2) for you guys. I may put together a new discount schedule similar to the first one, where it will be like $7 for 1 pair ($2.50 per die, then $2 shipping), and $10 for 2 pair ($2 per die, then $2 shipping), then drop to $1.75 per die, then $1.50 etc. I will have to work it out like I did last time, but I may limit it to 4 pair per order if I can only get 10 pair at a time, and if I can only get them in pairs, then i will only sell them in pairs.

I am going to reboot the blog post when I get these numbers figured out, but does look like something doable? Get a random pair of used casino dice at a discount? I have to charge more than I want because the ebay seller is ripping me off on shipping (it costs under $2 to ship 20 dice, and he is charging $7) so I have to cover my self. Also, I need to make some back so I can further fund this more. That alright with everyone?

[ChiRocker]

Ok, so this is what I have come up with for prices (shipped):

$5 for 1 pair
$9 for 2 pair
$12 for 3 pair
$14 for 4 pair
$15 for 5 pair

I don't have the freedom to really split up pairs, so no more 5 dice increments. I would like a few people to order before I front the cash for the first 20 dice, and I expect this to all be a quick turnaround process. Please be willing to pay within a week of ordering, and make an effort to check out my blog frequently (linked in my signature). This can go as long as we want it to, and it won't be as exciting as custom dice, but what really is?

[tyroclix]

Sounds promising. All the numbers have confused me so I'll wait for a complete menu, but I'd be in the "market" for 2 to 5 pair of dice, depending on cost. And I like the varying colors since I'd like my players to be able to tell the difference between them.

Edit: How would you take payment?

[ChiRocker]

Sounds promising. All the numbers have confused me so I'll wait for a complete menu, but I'd be in the "market" for 2 to 5 pair of dice, depending on cost. And I like the varying colors since I'd like my players to be able to tell the difference between them.

Edit: How would you take payment?

PayPal would be preferred, but I could take an MO.

What is confusing you about my numbers?

[tyroclix]

PayPal would be preferred, but I could take an MO.

What is confusing you about my numbers?

I started at the beginning of the thread - then proceeded through the revisions and then you ended with:

I can spot the $27 for the first order, but it may be a little more expensive (like a dollar or 2) for you guys. I may put together a new discount schedule similar to the first one, where it will be like $7 for 1 pair ($2.50 per die, then $2 shipping), and $10 for 2 pair ($2 per die, then $2 shipping), then drop to $1.75 per die, then $1.50 etc. I will have to work it out like I did last time, but I may limit it to 4 pair per order if I can only get 10 pair at a time, and if I can only get them in pairs, then i will only sell them in pairs.

I read it as: I can front the first 27 but then it would be 1 or 2 for you. So its 7 for 1 pair and 2.50 plus 2 or 10 for 2 per plus 2... :laugh:

I was waiting for post #57 that arrived just as I was sending my first one. I'll head over to your blog...

Thanks.

[ChiRocker]

By "no matches if possible." did you mean that you wanted 10 different dice, or 5 different pairs? I can and must give you the latter, but splitting up 10 pairs means that no one else would be able to match their dice.

[Jerry_Damage01]

5 pairs for myself so I think that takes care of the first order. :)

[ChiRocker]

5 pairs for myself so I think that takes care of the first order. :)

I may need to hold onto yours, since I only have 3 pair left, but I can get 40 dice this month, so this shouldn't be a problem.

[tyroclix]

By "no matches if possible." did you mean that you wanted 10 different dice, or 5 different pairs? I can and must give you the latter, but splitting up 10 pairs means that no one else would be able to match their dice.

5 different pairs are fine. I wouldn't want to mess up collation.

If you find some oddball colors - say a lone yellow and a lone pearl, I'd take those as well. I don't know if they are all guaranteed to have a matching set.

I just don't want 5 pairs of black dice.

End of line.

[Jerry_Damage01]

I may need to hold onto yours, since I only have 3 pair left, but I can get 40 dice this month, so this shouldn't be a problem.

Not a problem. My order will finish out the first one and you can hold those 3 pairs over to when the 2nd round of orders gets completed and ship out then.

[ChiRocker]

Not a problem. My order will finish out the first one and you can hold those 3 pairs over to when the 2nd round of orders gets completed and ship out then.

Reading back over the ebay store, I can get much more than 20 a month (he has the quantity listed at 10+) so there will be no problem ordering whenever I get the demand. I just put in an order for 40, so you guys can send payment whenever.

[ChiRocker]

I still have 8 pair up for grabs from the first order if anyone is interested.

EDIT: The first 40 dice are in the mail heading to me now.

[ChiRocker]

Just wanted to throw out that I played my first tourney with my Casino dice yesterday, and went 2:0 (and I am positive that it had nothing to do with my ZenHattan who only took pushing damage the entire time).

[Jerry_Damage01]

Just wanted to throw out that I played my first tourney with my Casino dice yesterday, and went 2:0 (and I am positive that it had nothing to do with my ZenHattan who only took pushing damage the entire time).

How'd the dice roll?

[ChiRocker]

How'd the dice roll?

meh :laugh:

jkjk I would say... average =]

maybe it is just a placebo, but I felt like I hit more often when I needed a 6-8 than I normally do.

[Jerry_Damage01]

meh :laugh:

jkjk I would say... average =]

Perfect. :)

[tyroclix]

So where's mine?

I got a game tomorrow...

;)

[ChiRocker]

So where's mine?

I got a game tomorrow...

;)

They are on their way, but they won't get there any faster than average (nor will get there slower than average)

[Jerry_Damage01]

Got mine in today. They seem to roll very well and I can't wait to try them out during a game. :)