Fairness what does everyone else think?

[vkjustice]

I've got a clix dilema that I'm sure everyone on the boards can help me with.

I haven't been to the boards/tournaments in the past couple months as life goes as it goes. Now I'm itching to get back into it.

I'm a few pieces shy of completing my CT and HT set (IC was done a long time ago).

I stopped in to my local shop to see what they had, and someone there showed me the team they won the last tournament on.

It was:

6 Vet doombots
1 Rookie Huntress
2 Exp Intergang MEdics
1 Rookie Black Panther
1 Rookie Invisible Girl
1 Checkmate medic, (Ithink it was rookie)

My problem is I'm not sure I should attempt to play there anymore. On the one hand I'd like the challenge of trying to find a team to beat it. On the other hand I'm not sure I could, without mixing the sets together myself.

I realize the duplicates are legal(even though I won't play them), but the DC/Marvel mixing is questionable. Combine the two, OUCH.

I don't want to go, and then call the guy cheap the whole time because I can't beat it, at the same time, it kinda is. I haven't been to the tourney there in a long time, so if no one has an issue with the mixing it's more my problem than mine.

In the end it's my decision to play there or not, as if it's not fun for me and everyone else there what's the point.

My question is, is the team cheap or not? Do I have grounds to look at the team and go, this is kinda abusing the game a little.

I'll probably end up trying to come up with something to beat it, but like I said I wanted to know if my feelings were fair or if I'm over the edge on whining.

Thanks.

[Spock]

No Firelords, no named dups...I don't see a problem with it (although R Invisible Girl is annoying).

To be honest, I'm not sure I see what's so strong about the team...there are some nice figures, but no real heavy hitters. I'd say you just need someone with a nice high attack value so you can get past Invisible Girl's shared defense...Ulton maybe? If they're all crowded around invisible girl, you can use his EE to maybe take out several medics at once..

[Thor665]

Greetings,

Considering some of the teams I have come up with or played against, I hardly find this team all that abusive at all. What has he really got there? A swarm of 9att 15 def stealthed flying leaders with a lot of outwit. Big flippin' deal. I actually kind of like his team because at least it's not a Medic/Firelord combo.

To beat him all you need are a few beatsticks (Bane, Grundy, Hawkman in DC or She-Hulk, Logan, Sabertooth in Marvel) plus some fliers to bring them in (Wasp/Vulture, Manbat/Booster). Fly in, base the Bots and go to town. Bring in some faster fliers and go base Huntress or those medics and rob him of his abilities. I mean, his team is rife with weakness.

Kill the medics and tag Panther for one and even one click of Invulnerabilty becomes a brick wall.

Play people with 17+ defense, he'll need an 8 to hit you with his best attackers.

Base and kill huntress with your close combat units and all your ranged people suddenly have better range and probably better attack and defense then those Bots.

Here's a easy thought to end him; V Whirlwind+R Vulture. Fly in and go to town with flurry on Huntress. Two shots at a seven or better isn't too hard. If you can't reach her (or the medics) just fly in and shred some Bots for fun and amusement (Whirlwind could kill one of those weenies outright without much problem.)

Now, if I misread his team and those low defenses aren't a weakness because everyone and their grandmother is based with Invisible Girl then just pull out some energy explosion and perplex (Harley, Riddler+V T.O. Morrow comes to mind...or the unstoppable Ultron+a Vulture to fly him in)

However, if you honestly just despise mixing of sets then maybe you should go and get a feel for how everyone else there feels about it. If they mostly prefer non-mixing then just try to get that set up as a house rule. If they mostly seem okay with mixing then it's obvious you should move on to a non-mixing play enviroment.

My thoughts,
Thor.

[Doomtoy]

I must agree. It's nowhere NEAR in the same ballpark as the Firelord Taxi Fleet, With Free Medicare...

[Ozymandas]

I think your concerns are legit, but I don't think you can do anything about changing the way they run their tourneys.

I myself am pro-mixing but I understand that this is not allowed at MOST tourneys. Is going to a tourney elsewhere an option for you? If so, call in adance to get the scoop.

As far as using dupes is concerned, I feel it is okay with generic characters but in moderation. 3 S.H.I.E.L.D. medics on an 8 figure team seems O.K. to me (though it's pushing the envelope) but having a medic for each figure is cheap. Using 2 Ultrons is cheap. Using a Wolverine and a Logan is cheap. 3 Doombots on the team you mentioned, OK. 6? Cheap AND excessive.

When I mix DC/Marvel/Good/Evil I only do so with a common theme, i.e. Avengers & JLA, X-men & Brotherhood, maybe Avengers & IL. When I need medics I try to go with one that fits the team, i.e. S.H.I.E.L.D. medics for Avengers, Hydra Medics for MOE, Checkmate for Superman Enemy. etc....

This is all just my opinion. Some people build their teams for fun & try to base them more or less on actual comics (me) & others build them purely towards a tactical advantage (like the guy you mentioned, which is fine). If I lost to a team like that I would be bothered more by the fact that it's not "realistic" (we are talking comic book super heroes here? :D) & less than the fact that it's cheap.

Bottom line is that the Judges run the show & will probably not change the way they do things based on your beef. All of your issues are actually tounament legal. Maybe there are others who feel the same way you do there & you can lead an allied front?

While my team assembling style doesn't exactly match yours, I can understand the frustration when it seems your opponent is strictly out for blood & you're just looking to have some fun (& maybe score an LE or 2). Others in your situation have suggested elsewhere to assemble an identical team (& get some friends to, also) & kick this guy's derierre. Do this a few times & he will soon change his ways.

Lord, l sure am loquacious today. Good luck!

[wonderboy8917]

First of all, the team you described adds up to 375 points. So that doesn't make much sense. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you didn't get the exact team he used. But if that was correct then he must have been playing a 400pt tourny with Mixing allowed.

Of course the concept of his team is quite easy to figure out. His strategy is obviously going to have his team surround IG to get the 18 defence and hide in hindering terrain for the stealth to kick in.

SOLUTION:
E Ultron + R Steel

Do an EE on two of his bots and use Sups Ally ability to get past Stealth. On top of that, throw in some Doombots of your own along with a Shield guy and use the bots to boost the damage of Ultron's attack. Then you might ask, what if he outwits my EE? Well, then simply throw in a R Robin or R Huntress yourself so Ultron is Stealthed and protected from outwit. You simply fight fire with fire only you do it better. A 13 attack will EASILY get past that pesky 18 def. And IG along with the rest of his team will drop like a rock.:D

[skeevo666]

Originally posted by vkjustice
My problem is I'm not sure I should attempt to play there anymore. On the one hand I'd like the challenge of trying to find a team to beat it. On the other hand I'm not sure I could, without mixing the sets together myself.

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My question is, is the team cheap or not? Do I have grounds to look at the team and go, this is kinda abusing the game a little.

I'll probably end up trying to come up with something to beat it, but like I said I wanted to know if my feelings were fair or if I'm over the edge on whining.

Thanks.



Back off from the whining precipice and go for it Spider-Friend!

If you wanna play all Marvel-no dupes, it's perfectly viable (It'll be even more viable in a month :D ) You said you wanted a challenge, right? Well unless you wanna shell out $4 a minute to Miss Cleo, the only way yr gonna find out is to do it . . .

I played all Marvel teams in OverPower (with one exception) and did fine against mixed & all DC decks.

I don't think there are "cheap" teams, just ones lacking in imagination ;)

[TheFallenOne]

yeah just prove your superiority by crushing his mix team with your all marvel team. It really doesnt look that good to begin with. his best attack is only a nine? and the fool didnt even include a shield character? he cant even do more than two damage per attack. the only real threat that i see from this team is the fact that he has almost endless outwits.


although i would go with what someone said earlier and fight fire with fire. steel + ultron +shield equals game over.

roo steel x2
exp ultron
roo huntress
shield figures

i dont think the points add up just right but just tweak it. steels carry up ultron and some shield who use the EE +shield team abiltiy to completely crush the cluster add roo huntress just in case so ulton can hide in a bush and cant be outwitted. and then he rains down on all their sorry asses while steel laughs and picks off the stragglers.

overall though d.c. and marvel shouldnt mix because it makes for some really boring powerteams like that who abuse the whole batman team ability/intergan ability. they just dont mix very well

[Azrael0626]

Originally posted by skeevo666





I played all Marvel teams in OverPower (with one exception) and did fine against mixed & all DC decks.


That's only because there were only two decent DC characters in both expansions. Marvel just increased their character's stats and specials with each expansion. DC got shafted in OP. If you said that you beat all Marvel teams with an all DC team I would be very impressed. :cool:

[vkjustice]

Thanks for the reponses.

I forgot the other 25 points were Shield Snipers of some kind.

The teams definitely not Unbeatable (Nothing is).....

It's just the 6 Dooms end up free moving taxis(Effective range 16), that are stealthed, with 18 defense if they carry Inv Girl, who add a click of life if one dies, who all have outwit, that can all Energy explosion with extra damage thanks to Shield.

4 actions in the 400 point game, and a guarnateed 5th with 6 leadership rolls.

There are some combos I can think of, and while a 9 isn't a great attack, if you're rolling it 3 times per turn you'll hit eventually.

Ultron Seems to be one of the best options.

Thanks again.