Who would you least want to face?

[robedestroyer]

There has been a lot of discussion about a handful of figures lately. Calling them cheesy, breaking the game, causing and end to the world, etc. So I'm wondering which of these "feared/hated" figures would you least want to face in a game?

Also, I didn't want to give 20 different options or else the poll just gets too watered down.

Let's also make the following presumptions:
1. It's 400 pt. Modern Age.
2. This opposing figure is in the hands of a fairly skilled player.
3. You actually want to win this game.

[invisibo]

Nightcrawler.

[konasavage]

Other, SCAM.

[nivlac713]

Metron. Hate hate HATE that guy. It really comes down to luck for the most part. Can you hit his defense twice )which is usually 19 with his self perplex 20 in terrain) and will he fail his imperve. I'm sure that there are other figs that should concern me more, CSM being way up there, but I just can't help it. Every time I see this smug little b@$)@%d accross from me I start feeling like the opposing player is cheating me some how. I know he isn't but I still feel that way. Just hate this guy...

[Saint Evil]

I'd be happy to play against any of them, they are all too easy to beat.

[Saint Evil]

Kid Zoom Kills all, And Doom from fantastic four starter and Rip Hunter to prevent outwit

[nivlac713]

I'd be happy to play against any of them, they are all too easy to beat.

So what team did you bring that easily beats each and every one of these figs? Just curious...

[robedestroyer]

Metron. Hate hate HATE that guy.

I just don't get Metron. Everytime I play against him or with him I'm thinking "Geesh, this guy's dial isn't that deep. Hit him once and he's toast. No move & attack. Not great numbers for almost 200 pts." but then the game starts and he always does so well. I guess you can't sell Outwit + Perplex + Probability Control + Quintessence + Phasing Teleport with a 12 Movement, too short.

Rep to you because I forgot to include that guy in the poll.

[Kilowag]

The only one that pisses me off is Skrull Mrs. Marvel. At least cosmic spidey is 319 points. You could have two Skrull Mrs. Marvels on a team in 400pt setting. Hate that #####.

[nivlac713]

I just don't get Metron. Everytime I play against him or with him I'm thinking "Geesh, this guy's dial isn't that deep. Hit him once and he's toast. No move & attack. Not great numbers for almost 200 pts." but then the game starts and he always does so well. I guess you can't sell Outwit + Perplex + Probability Control + Quintessence + Phasing Teleport with a 12 Movement, too short.

Rep to you because I forgot to include that guy in the poll.

I was the same way at first, but yeah, he just dominates. I have beaten him, but it always seems so much harder then it should be. Its the near pac list of powers that makes him so good, all safely wrapped up in Quintesence saftey. Eesh, I;m gonna have bad dreams tonight.. :>

[Kamakura]

My vote went to KC Supes since he's cheap enough in 400pt to be on a Future theme team that could take out pretty much anyone else on that list, would have support, and just be all-around painful.
E-2 isn't much better, but JSA isn't a particularly good theme with only 83 points remaining.

[ccs]

Let's also make the following presumptions:
1. It's 400 pt. Modern Age.
2. This opposing figure is in the hands of a fairly skilled player.
3. You actually want to win this game.


Well, since I really want to win this game, what makes you think I haven't already considered who/what I could be facing & thus planned accordingly?

And having planned accordingly, why would I fear facing off against these figures??

[Kamakura]

Metron works the same for me. I pulled him and he's done astoundingly well for me. I really like that piece, he seems to keep people off-balance. He's just so versatile, especially at 200 pts.

I was the same way at first, but yeah, he just dominates. I have beaten him, but it always seems so much harder then it should be. Its the near pac list of powers that makes him so good, all safely wrapped up in Quintesence saftey. Eesh, I;m gonna have bad dreams tonight.. :>

Metron. Hate hate HATE that guy. It really comes down to luck for the most part. Can you hit his defense twice )which is usually 19 with his self perplex 20 in terrain) and will he fail his imperve. I'm sure that there are other figs that should concern me more, CSM being way up there, but I just can't help it. Every time I see this smug little b@$)@%d accross from me I start feeling like the opposing player is cheating me some how. I know he isn't but I still feel that way. Just hate this guy...

[gmastermcd]

The only one that pisses me off is Skrull Mrs. Marvel. At least cosmic spidey is 319 points. You could have two Skrull Mrs. Marvels on a team in 400pt setting. Hate that #####.

I also voted skrull Mrs Marvel because in 400 points you can have two of her and two checkmate knights to get a nice little spy theme team with 4 outwits

[nivlac713]

Well, since I really want to win this game, what makes you think I haven't already considered who/what I could be facing & thus planned accordingly?

And having planned accordingly, why would I fear facing off against these figures??

Again, what SINGLE team at 400 are you running where none of thse guys are scaring you? Since you thought of this before hand and were able to account for all possibilities...

[Saint Evil]

Kid Zoom 87
Phantom Girl 40
Klarion 76
Namor 150
Mary Jane Watson-Parker 5
Mary Jane Watson-Parker 5
Lightspeed 25
Paramedic 12

[nivlac713]

Kid Zoom 87
Phantom Girl 40
Klarion 76
Namor 150
Mary Jane Watson-Parker 5
Mary Jane Watson-Parker 5
Lightspeed 25
Paramedic 12

Good team, but E-2 is gonna give ya a hard time. After he picks his teeth with Namor Klarion is the only one that can really hurt him. After he take 2 or 3 clicks of mystics from him the rest of the team dies a quick, horrible death...

[longinux]

I love how Superman Prime doesn't even register as scary. Man, i loved how he ate the new iron man in two turns. But apparently dropping 1/5 of a 1000 point army in a round or two doesn't register.

[nivlac713]

I love how Superman Prime doesn't even register as scary. Man, i loved how he ate the new iron man in two turns. But apparently dropping 1/5 of a 1000 point army in a round or two doesn't register.

Problem with prime is he's only got a few REALLY scare clicks, and they aren't front loaded. I'm not usually scared of prime like most of those other ones. If you want to talk about dropping something huge really quick then Magog should be up there. 5 damage Super Strength and exploit. He can deal 7 damage straight through most everyone in a single hit all by himself. But I wouldn't put him on this list. Just me though.

[spider_ham]

Both Crisis Supermen are still the 300+ point figures to beat.

Both are able to perform two attacks in a single action, given the proper conditions (KC Supes needs to be holding two standard heavy objects for maximum effect; E-2 Supes needs to be holding an object when performing his free attack, then successfully break away and grab another object while Charging another target). I give the edge to E-2 Supes, especially when paired with a friendly TK'er.

Cosmic Spidey suffers mainly from not being top-loaded with Psychic Blast, in which case he would truly be a monster. However, dealing 4 damage isn't going to one-shot characters with Invulnerability or Impervious, but the trick is being able to force him to push and be placed within range to attack him.

You definitely need a unique strategy to deal with him (Supernova's Phantom Zone Projector, Harbinger's You Are Needed, Kid Zoom's Stop!, etc.) in a non-sealed environment, especially if you don't win map choice.

I've had more trouble with HoT Cap-- he's nearly a fifth of Spidey's cost! :laugh:

[spangdog]

I've played against the cosmic powered spidey in a 500 pt. 6-way. He is impressive, even when played by a vet player. Although a fully powered Red She-hulk did the smack down will pushing herself to death. That is why I fear night-crawler the most. Move up, hit, place next to a heavy hitter. Double ouch
Spangdog:a-duo:

[robedestroyer]

Well, since I really want to win this game, what makes you think I haven't already considered who/what I could be facing & thus planned accordingly?

And having planned accordingly, why would I fear facing off against these figures??

Again, what SINGLE team at 400 are you running where none of thse guys are scaring you? Since you thought of this before hand and were able to account for all possibilities...

Clearly he's so skilled and knows how to prepare for anything that he must have Batman on the team because only Batman could be that well prepared. :)

Kid Zoom 87
Phantom Girl 40
Klarion 76
Namor 150
Mary Jane Watson-Parker 5
Mary Jane Watson-Parker 5
Lightspeed 25
Paramedic 12

I like the Kid Zoom + Namor combination, but which Paramedic are you speaking of that is Modern Age legal?

[JoeGualtieri]

E2 and KC aren't on the same level as the others in the Modern Age, as they're completely vulnerable to Outwit.

[4RAGER]

I just stomped a KC Superman with my martial artists team, last week.
Prior to that I was quite afraid of him.

[Saint Evil]

the mary jane pogs copy mystics and lock him in combat, kid zoom locks his hypersonic, klaron can be hit but regenerates, perplex helps namor, copy defenders with phantom girl, lighspeed can help heal phantom girl with fantastic four team, Crisis superman is gonna have a problem with this team i guarantee it.

[Saint Evil]

if it is only modern then use night nurse of nurse or wiccan

[spideyguy51]

the mary jane pogs copy mystics and lock him in combat, kid zoom locks his hypersonic, klaron can be hit but regenerates, perplex helps namor, copy defenders with phantom girl, lighspeed can help heal phantom girl with fantastic four team, Crisis superman is gonna have a problem with this team i guarantee it.

You can't use Mary Jane pogs in modern age.

[nivlac713]

the mary jane pogs copy mystics and lock him in combat, kid zoom locks his hypersonic, klaron can be hit but regenerates, perplex helps namor, copy defenders with phantom girl, lighspeed can help heal phantom girl with fantastic four team, Crisis superman is gonna have a problem with this team i guarantee it.

In a perfect world I can see things going this way. Your prolly gonna get full movement charged to namor right off the bat. Also, a few mystics hits actually make supes better. Klarion can't survive the attention of Superman, not even with regen. Itd be an interesting game, but I really think your underestimating the pain of E2 supes.

Still, good team to counter these figs, lets now hope you don't have to play against a none HSS tent-pole team in the rest of the tourney :>

[robedestroyer]

The idea of this poll wasn't that you could plan for these figures, this would be that you just need to face them with your standard build. Any figure can be dismantled if you know it's coming and you can plan for that specific figure. While you may not specifically fear a figure, what I'm going for is who is that one guy that just makes you go "Oh crap, not him!" when it's on the opposite side of the map.

[nivlac713]

Sorry, I help derail it, I will stop. I voted Cosmic on the actual board as he can try and stay way from me the whole game. I hate those games. At least with the other figs they have to expose themselves in some way shape or form to attack you. Can be annoying but at least it feels like a game.

[robedestroyer]

I've said that Cosmic Spider-man is a little more finesse than the other big tentpoles. But what do you think of Cosmic Spider-man being the love-child of Icons Vet Superman and Skrull Susan Richards?

[happyoptimistic88]

There has been a lot of discussion about a handful of figures lately. Calling them cheesy, breaking the game, causing and end to the world, etc. So I'm wondering which of these "feared/hated" figures would you least want to face in a game?

Also, I didn't want to give 20 different options or else the poll just gets too watered down.

Let's also make the following presumptions:
1. It's 400 pt. Modern Age.
2. This opposing figure is in the hands of a fairly skilled player.
3. You actually want to win this game.

Definitely Cosmic Spiderman!:eek:

[spike1138]

Following the guidelines in the OP, I picked Nightcrawler. Plenty of points left over for my opponent to use for support, attackers, whatever.

[larthosgrr8]

kid zoom shuts just about all of them down. i'd hate cosmic the most because he can see through everything, but with the right map choice he's pretty easy to take down. everyone else i'm not scared of at all. kid zoom plus whoever else shuts them down. all you need is some psy blast and tk to take down just about any brick in the game.without feats to hide behind, figures don't give me any trouble really anymore.

[Saint Evil]

Thats ok he still has to get passed both of them, klarion or namor, then the other can jump in, if he misses or cant get passed super senses? hes in trouble. take out mary jane pogs for forbush man or a nurse, klarion would need to be protected for sure.

[Batarang96]

Cosmic Spider-Man does not belong in the game of Heroclix. The only way to beat a competent player that is fielding him is to use an anti-team.

[Silver Lantern]

Where's SBP?

[Saint Evil]

Whats so hard about him? The Atom can take him down but hes not anti Cosmic Spiderman, he just has high def

[Saint Evil]

Noh-Varr 141
Lightspeed 25
Phantom Girl 40
Puma 56
Nightshade 50
Impossible Man 72
Nurse 10
394

Try this on Cosmic Spiderman Shape Change and Super Senses will be really hard to get by and Noh Varr will do the damage

[Grumpygoat]

Part of what makes Nightcrawler so broken is his point cost. At only 86 points, a really skilled player has 314 points of other stuff to play with. There's a lot of room there to make something truly overwhelming, whereas the other figures make up the bulk of the team.

[The Brown Cape]

I think Thor/Loki & Superman Prime should be on the list instead of Mrs. Marvel & Nightcrawler

[robedestroyer]

Part of what makes Nightcrawler so broken is his point cost. At only 86 points, a really skilled player has 314 points of other stuff to play with. There's a lot of room there to make something truly overwhelming, whereas the other figures make up the bulk of the team.

This is a very good point. Especially in Modern Age, it can be extremely difficult to make a tentpole work. Cosmic Spider-man is good, and if you build for him you can take him down, that's not impressive at all. Nightcrawler is just flat out obnoxious, but I wouldn't call him broken. I've seen him in too many games where he didn't do anything but run around with lots of potential yet not really having any significant impact. That makes me believe he's not broken.

[DrugSex]

KC Supes of course, he's 238 points and in a 400 points game he can have a great support and 2nd attackers.

[DiscoHippo]

Go cosmic spidey, go!

[JoeGualtieri]

KC Supes of course, he's 238 points and in a 400 points game he can have a great support and 2nd attackers.

Metron Pulsewaves, KC is on Click 5. Metron Outwits Invulnerablity, The Things uses Clobberrin' Time, smacks KC with a heavy, KC is dead.

You cannot do that to Nightcrawler, Skrull Ms. Marvel, or Cosmic Spidey. They are are far more dangerous.

[DARKKNIGHT188]

I also voted skrull Mrs Marvel because in 400 points you can have two of her and two checkmate knights to get a nice little spy theme team with 4 outwits

i KNOW WHAT TEAM IM GOING TO ROLL WITH

[Kamakura]

Spidey is just fine in Modern Age and lower point-value games. In Golden Age the right player could probably make him unbeatable.
I actually expect to see him Monday, but the only one in our group that I know pulled him was a newer, younger, less-experienced player, so it won't be an "oh no" situation.

Cosmic Spider-Man does not belong in the game of Heroclix. The only way to beat a competent player that is fielding him is to use an anti-team.

[IamCurtis]

Why is Cosmic Spider Man number god can we get over this and start to bash this nightcrawler

[mell]

really how come metron can't pulse wave any of the others just kc

[Nickel97]

skrulll ms. marvel. In a 400 point game you'll have 200+ points of other stuff to deal with as well.

[JoeGualtieri]

really how come metron can't pulse wave any of the others just kc

He can, but unlike KC and E2, Metron's not going to be able to Outwit their defensive powers so his teammates can finish them off in one turn the way he can with the Supermen. Stealth, traits, and TAs prevent that (also, they cost so less, so you're less likely to get off a single target Pulsewave).

[MistahJustice]

Meh, I said KC Superman just because there's plenty of room for him to have support. At least the others either completely weigh down the team or (in nightcrawler's case) can be ignored while you take out the rest.

[Terman8er]

Metron Pulsewaves, KC is on Click 5. Metron Outwits Invulnerablity, The Things uses Clobberrin' Time, smacks KC with a heavy, KC is dead.

You cannot do that to Nightcrawler, Skrull Ms. Marvel, or Cosmic Spidey. They are are far more dangerous.

Why can't Metron pulse wave them too? 4 or 5 clicks of PW damage neuters them all.

[Terman8er]

He can, but unlike KC and E2, Metron's not going to be able to Outwit their defensive powers so his teammates can finish them off in one turn the way he can with the Supermen. Stealth, traits, and TAs prevent that (also, they cost so less, so you're less likely to get off a single target Pulsewave).

After 4 of 5 clicks of PW damage he sure can Outwit whatever he likes as he just PW'd them out of stealth.

[bludd72]

played a tourney recently and went up against

Cosmic Spidey, Nightcrawler, Ironclad and some other WoS figure.

i played

Ironman, spiderman(blue.red), black cat, rocket racer and solo.

i whupped that team, so im not afraid of the boogeyman anymore. but e2 supes is a freak.

[BrightestNight135]

I voted for KC supes for the reason that he can have a good supporting cast behind him, but i thought one thing...could Bag-Man be on this team as well. It is right there that i said playing that team would suck. An KC Superman with Bombastic Bag-man. That would be the team i would least want to face.

[hobojoe258]

E-2, and Ms. Skrullvel shouldn't even be on the list.

[Prof. Aragorn]

I voted Cosmic Spidey.

While in most cases, he'll never get map choice (meaning you take the Castle Doom map), he's still gonna be a pain with everything going right for you. He's got the single greatest reach of any normal figure in the game (Well in Modern Age, FF Hawkeye still has a 10 speed with 10 range) coupled with the strongest stats, wildcard in addition to quintessence. His trait means he should always have a target if not targets. Unlike the other figures listed, Cosmic Spidey plays the ranged game better than any other figure whereas Nightcrawler and the Supermans are centered more towards close combat, and Ms. Marvel's speed and range give her excellent reach, just not phenomenal.

Earth-2 Superman would be the next scariest of the bunch. His free action attack can be devastating. However, he can be countered, and does not have up-front move and shoot powers. TK+Running Shot, or even most long ranged running shot pieces, can get the drop on him and eventually outwit him/base him with a mook.

KC Superman cannot target stealth - typically I play a fair amount of that. In addition, he's rather top heavy. Once he's hit off impervious, his defense is hittable and his attack value drops to average numbers. He's still got plenty mobility and damage, but the mobility can be countered, and his lack of indomitable/willpower for a 200+ figure means Incap is his worst enemy.

Essentially, Back in Black Spider-Man counters KC Superman one on one rather well.

Nightcrawler is a particularly upsetting piece, but in 400 points, he will not be the focus of the team as that would make him a huge target as opposed to what he does in a 400 point game: annoy the hell out of of your team. In addition, compared to the other figures, he loses all threat after taking 2 clicks of damage. Certainly support and X-Men Team Ability are great tools to prolonging his longevity, but at 400 points Nightcrawler's not facing one tentpole team, he's facing a tentpole team with a backup tentpole.

Skrull Ms. Marvel isn't that threatening. Her combat values, while solid upfront, are not that consistent and not as high as the other figures. She has a nasty combination of powers, true, but really, if you can get her to take at least 1 damage, she's really nothing too serious. Any more damage and she's relatively useless.

Now, the lack of Metron is a surprise. Theoretically, he's more of a pain than the others listed because he has everything except move and attack and a deep dial (which keeps him at a very low cost comparatively).

However, I find for a 400 point team: Darkseid, 2 Parademon Grunts, and 2 Parademon Drill Sgts the perfect counter to most of the figures - given +5 or +6 for Nightcrawler or Ms. Marvel keyworded.

The Darkseid team picks the Galactus Rooftop maps (unless the Ms. Marvel or Nightcrawler have lots of keyworded figures and thus beat Darkseid's at minimum 7 for initiative) which gives Darkseid about 75-80 percent board control from any starting area on the map and nowhere for stealthers or Cosmic Spidey to hide. Perplex, outwit, and boost to damage from the Parademons are just lovely bonuses.

[joeldad]

The only one that pisses me off is Skrull Mrs. Marvel. At least cosmic spidey is 319 points. You could have two Skrull Mrs. Marvels on a team in 400pt setting. Hate that #####.

I think the problem here isn't that you could have 2 of her in a squad, it is that you could have 2 of her in a squad AND be competitive.

It's gross.

Kid Zoom just slows her down!:laugh:

[pokolo]

Cosmic Spidey takes the cake for me. he's a total cheater :laugh:

[JoeGualtieri]

After 4 of 5 clicks of PW damage he sure can Outwit whatever he likes as he just PW'd them out of stealth.

Four clicks does take Skrull Ms. Marvel out of stealth, but she still has the Skrull TA, which Metron cannot Outwit (your also incredibly unlikely to get a full damage PW on her, as she outmove Metron on most maps).

Four clicks does not take Nightcrawler out of Stealth, and he still has Super Senses to contend with. You do have a better shot at nailing him with a full damage PW than SMM, as he cannot push without taking damage, but it's still going to be really tough to isolate him, and as long as you don't put him down, he will find another X-Man or WC to heal off of.

[caligula4u]

the mary jane pogs copy mystics and lock him in combat, kid zoom locks his hypersonic, klaron can be hit but regenerates, perplex helps namor, copy defenders with phantom girl, lighspeed can help heal phantom girl with fantastic four team, Crisis superman is gonna have a problem with this team i guarantee it.

Ok nice you managed to maybe beat 1 I repeat 1 of them. You have to be able to beat ALL of them with the SAME team. Also no MJ or paramedic pogs allowed in modern age. You said then you'd use Wiccan or Night Nurse in her place. You can't too many points. Survey was which figure you'd least wanna face in 400 pt build. Your reply was none bothered you because they are all too easy to beat. Maybe you can build the same team to beat 2 of them, maybe even 3, but a team that can handle all of them no problem? Not trying to jump on ya or anything, but when ya make a smarmy/I can beat anything remark on here you should be prepared to back it up. I can/probably most people on here can make 1 single 400point team to beat 2 or 3 out of the 5.

[Cyaegha]

E-2 Superman : faced it once, I still have nightmares about it. Haven't yet faced Comic Spidey, but I fear something along the same lines.

[robedestroyer]

Ok nice you managed to maybe beat 1 I repeat 1 of them. You have to be able to beat ALL of them with the SAME team. Also no MJ or paramedic pogs allowed in modern age. You said then you'd use Wiccan or Night Nurse in her place. You can't too many points. Survey was which figure you'd least wanna face in 400 pt build. Your reply was none bothered you because they are all too easy to beat. Maybe you can build the same team to beat 2 of them, maybe even 3, but a team that can handle all of them no problem? Not trying to jump on ya or anything, but when ya make a smarmy/I can beat anything remark on here you should be prepared to back it up. I can/probably most people on here can make 1 single 400point team to beat 2 or 3 out of the 5.

You deserve a dosage of Rep.

I highly doubt the team that was presented previously could beat all these figures "no problem." Even the team that won at GenCon, no matter how cheesy and hokey it may have been, would have troubles against certain 300 point figures. The team that lost in that championship match was probably the better team, it was just a bone-headed move that lost the game. So it's a bit of a leap to say XYZ could be ABC "no problem."

[maddragon13]

I voted Skrull Ms Marvel because she's so many less points than the other choices but just as deadly. At 168pts in a 400pt team, she leaves you with many more team building options than the other characters. Heck, at her points you could fit Nightcrawler on any team with her!!!

[Clclix]

Cosmic Spider-Man does not belong in the game of Heroclix. The only way to beat a competent player that is fielding him is to use an anti-team.

I do so hate building a team specifically to take out 1 fig. Been there, done that, got bored.

[ccrome]

Had to go with Skrull-vell on this one. 168 points leaves a lot of room for support and such in a 400 point game. You can throw SI Dr Strange in there to help out with her low-ish AV with his +2 perplex and he sees all also. Add SI Spider-man and Lightspeed to that team. It gets ugly.

[DSK007]

There's actually only one figure that I fear other than Cosmic Spider-Man and that's the 276pt Dr. Manhattan.

[Shawnbesaw]

Voted for CSM simply because in order to beat him you have to build a specific team to beat him. With many of the others you can at least have a 50% chance of taking them down. CSM in an experience players hands is just plain wrong in so many ways.

[ChiyoChan]

Personally it comes down to dials and theres always good teams and I rather not see Metron or Zoom. Yes I have both figures and they are monsters in their own rights people hate seeing my perplexed up Zoom or face palm :)

Metron is goodness because his dial changes so little and he helps so much making other characters be better its hard countering him unlike the other teams and if you see other people use hypersonic's just add Kid Zoom and you still got 100+ points.

Zoom is Yawn, Bore, Perplex, Perplex, Perplex, Hypersonic, Flurry, Yawn, Bore....are you dead?... well if your still up... your probably close to being dead, for 130 points in a 400 point game he can devastate bigger figures just like in comics whose punches are so quick and mean :)

Cosmic spidey has a short dial in relative format compared to other 300 point figures. Psychic Blast does him in easily still....

Nightcrawler scares positional teams because hes like the Swiss army knife to them. Move in repostion there most protected guy and wail upon with other figures. Persoanlly people who hate him like to setup stealth characters and snipe behind or use stealth based figures all the way Ie Ms Marvel, top it off hes Martial Artist which is the strongest theme team in my thoughts.

Heres an idea play those teams in a 400 point match tourney and see who wins add metron too. Add the best support peices for them to work with and see who wins. Cosmic spidey has only been legal and around how long and people are already pushing him to be the best figure already is silly, a good team is more important then a single tentpole army.

[szude]

I voted Cosmic Spidey.

While in most cases, he'll never get map choice (meaning you take the Castle Doom map),


Out of large curiousity, why the castle Doom map?

[robedestroyer]

Out of large curiousity, why the castle Doom map?

I believe the idea is that it's a large map that makes it hard for CSM to hit and run. He can't shoot through the force fields on that map and the only place from him to shoot through something without repercussions of a counter attack would be on the elevated terrain in the corner. This map is most likely better than the Great Arena because on that map, there are four corners that he can get to in one turn to hide and shoot. The Castle Doom map really limits his line of fire more than any other map. But really, you don't need to resort to using the Castle Doom map to beat him.

[Artarus]

KC Supes is brutal on his own.. add in 170 points of support.. ugg..

Cosmic spidey is mean.. but not unbeatable.. hell.. I played him last week and he got whittled away by the SR Doc Ock.. death by bug bites..

[Artarus]

I believe the idea is that it's a large map that makes it hard for CSM to hit and run. He can't shoot through the force fields on that map and the only place from him to shoot through something without repercussions of a counter attack would be on the elevated terrain in the corner. This map is most likely better than the Great Arena because on that map, there are four corners that he can get to in one turn to hide and shoot. The Castle Doom map really limits his line of fire more than any other map. But really, you don't need to resort to using the Castle Doom map to beat him.

You sure? Is that an official ruling? Cause Cosmic spidey's Line of Fire is NEVER Blocked.. he can't fly over the field.. but he can most deffinately shoot through it..

If the Castle Doom Force Field works.. then does the open graves on the BatB map work?

[Prof. Aragorn]

You sure? Is that an official ruling? Cause Cosmic spidey's Line of Fire is NEVER Blocked.. he can't fly over the field.. but he can most deffinately shoot through it..

If the Castle Doom Force Field works.. then does the open graves on the BatB map work?

Castle Doom map doesn't block line of fire. Range cannot be counted beyond the squares of the force field.

Open graves block line of fire - so Cosmic Spidey can shoot through it no problem.

[wyld]

The Supermen can be Outwitted.

Ms. Marvel can have her Stealth defeated by many figures and a few TAs, and then is just another mobile brick.

Nightcrawler is a pain, admittedly, but his threat lies in his ability to disrupt a team that relies on coordination and placement.

Cosmic Spider-Man ignores a basic rule of the game. He's not playing the same game as you. That both gives him an enormous advantage and gives me a tremendous headache.

--I tend not to buy cases of things that give me headaches.
wyld

[szude]

I believe the idea is that it's a large map that makes it hard for CSM to hit and run. He can't shoot through the force fields on that map and the only place from him to shoot through something without repercussions of a counter attack would be on the elevated terrain in the corner. This map is most likely better than the Great Arena because on that map, there are four corners that he can get to in one turn to hide and shoot. The Castle Doom map really limits his line of fire more than any other map. But really, you don't need to resort to using the Castle Doom map to beat him.

OOOOHHHHHHHHHH.

*That* castle doom map. I was thinking of the one on the other side of the circus (HC/horrorclix maps). That one seemed advantageous to Cospidey, I thought.

[robedestroyer]

OOOOHHHHHHHHHH.

*That* castle doom map. I was thinking of the one on the other side of the circus (HC/horrorclix maps). That one seemed advantageous to Cospidey, I thought.

The new Mighty Maps you can get at Miniature Market are among the absolute best maps you can play to give an advantage to Cosmic Spidey. The best one is probably the Anti-Monitor's Fortress, but these mighty maps are just sick. There's one where you could use the Structural Integrity Field to create unbreakable walls so you could never get to him if you have barrier (assuming the opponent doesn't break through the multiple levels of barrier). It's just disgusting. He could shoot to your opponent's starting area staying inside a small room.

[The REAL ARES (DC)]

I can't believe Ms Marvel isn't getting more love for the money!!!

[fastcat99]

Metron. Hate hate HATE that guy. It really comes down to luck for the most part. Can you hit his defense twice )which is usually 19 with his self perplex 20 in terrain) and will he fail his imperve. I'm sure that there are other figs that should concern me more, CSM being way up there, but I just can't help it. Every time I see this smug little b@$)@%d accross from me I start feeling like the opposing player is cheating me some how. I know he isn't but I still feel that way. Just hate this guy...

!! I agree!! My friend will play a Darkseid team with Darkseid, Metron, and whoever else, and Darkseid is such a beast that I can't even touch Metron. If I do, he's healing and supporting and blah blah blah. Boy he's nasty. Monster piece!

[MykleMetro]

thats easy. since it';s modern age tat's no fortitude. Ms Skrull and a couple a renee questions and the supermen are neatured. having taken down cosmic spidey with noh varr and norman in one game and another time takin him down wtih bullsyey, le venoms and dakens, and the new goblin, im unconvinced of his absolute dominationability.

hypersonic slash stealth slash outwit and great starting stats for a cheap price wins big time

[ben138]

I can't believe Ms Marvel isn't getting more love for the money!!!

She IS America's Sweetheart.

I voted Cosmic Spidey out of those listed, but I'd prefer him to Spectre or the old Wizard Shazam.

[soxolas]

Since house rules at the venue where I play do not allow multiples of non-generics, my vote goes to Cosmic Spidey.

Otherwise, I'd definitely be voting for Skrull Ms. Marvel.:cool:

[sstralkowski]

IRL? Ms. Marvel.