Doc Samson hits for more then Apocalypse???

[DoomsDay74]

Wizkids hire someone new for stats please. These stats arent even in the ballpark. There is no excuse for Doc Samson to hit for more damage and have a higher defense then Apocalypse.

[Spookythecat]

Remember Apoc from the comics is not as powerful as Apoc from the X-men TV show. Although comics 'Poccy can "Hulk" himself up to some serious power, in his initial form he's *not* as strong as Doc Sampson. Thus the difference in damages.

(Incidentally, although I dislike the character, the phasing/plasticity combo looks to be *deadly* on Apoc.)

[Manchine]

Umm Apocalypse isnt really that powerful. He is just everlasting. IF Apocalypse took on the Avengers it wouldnt really be that much of a fight.

[Mongoose]

Apocalypse is pretty strong, but if he were to go toe to toe w/ Hulk he'd get creamed fast!!! The guy is plenty strong. Look at his abilities (Phasing and superstrength). These guy can be wicked if used in an indoor map. I don't think you are taking into account his abilities as a whole.

[WarHULK]

Actually, the Apocolypse from the 90's on has been EXTREMELY powerful. He's wrestled the Hulk into submission! For me to admit something like that he's got to be pretty dern powerful. The Hulk had just taken on the entire Xteam by himself however, so he was weak, but still!

When Apocolypse first showed up in comics he wasn't that powerful, however. I'm just taking this Unique as that version of him. I'm sure that they'll come out with another Unique of him from the late 90's where he's his most powerful, or perhaps even a REV of him later on (hint hinit). One where he'll be able to attack from range with his hand/eye blasts and will have much higher attack and damage. I understand his low defense but if he's going to have low Defense he really needs a TON more Inv. cause this guy can barely be hurt.

So, this is just a "rookie" Apocolypse in my eyes, and I'm hoping for a stronger version of him later on (somewhere in the high 100's or low 200's). I'm also wating for a stronger Thanos and a Hulk with charge on his strongest clicks too. :D I'm sure they'll get around to it eventually.

[Manchine]

Oh I agree there is a secondary version of him that was around for 2-3 years that was uber powerful. Mostly he has been at this Uniques power level. Of course just about every hero/villian has gone through their Uber Power level.

;) ;) :p :D

[Ghost_Rider]

His attack doesn't go below a 8! So I don't see what the complaints are about..

Ghost

[DoomsDay74]

I gotta completley disagree with Apocalypse not being strong. I also am not getting this from the #### X-Men cartoon SpookyTheCat lol. Also how do u know that Apocalypse Unique is from just his initial form? Why does everyone assume that when a character comes out with low stats its because either their holding back or because they arent powered up ?? Seems like an excuse to bad stats to me. Also I think Apocalypse would do much better against the Avengers then Doc Samson would. And yes Apocalypse was holding his own against the Hulk right before he turned him into War. I also remember during the Onslaught storyline when Apocalypse just walked right thru Invisible Womans force bubble like it wasnt there. Im sure theres a ton more examples of his power and when i have time to look back at all those comics I will continue the thread along.

[PaxZRake]

Doc Samson is Hulk strength level. Apoc has never shown that he was in that leauge, the only reason he beat Hilk was because he was a better fighter, they didn't duke it out.

[Mongoose]

Doc Samson is Hulk strength level. Apoc has never shown that he was in that leauge, the only reason he beat Hilk was because he was a better fighter, they didn't duke it out.
Doc Samson isn't as strong as an enraged Hulk. He is as strong as Hulk when he is tame (90 tons). Of course he is intelligent in combat. Looking at his stats now I can see that he really isn't all that dangerous (Low AV). I'm sure Hulk can mash him rather easily.
On another note, wasn't that Hulk kinda weakened from fighting the X-Team, before he wrsetled w/ Apocalypse. i honestly have not seen the comics. I would think that Hulk against Apocalypse 1 on 1 would be a short fight.

[Grinner]

I'll admit to being confused...by the people saying Doc Sampson is stronger than Apocalypse. And I'm talking about the clix, not the characters.

Doc Sampson has one click of 4 damage. Two clicks of 3 and a click of 1. Apocalypse has 3 clicks of 3 and no clicks of 1. AND he has more clicks of health. And his lowest attack (which he has for only 2 clicks) is the same as Doc Sampson's on his third click.

The only thing that's going to be in Doc Sampson's advantage if they went head to head is that first click of charge. If Apokalypse gets in the first shot I'd say he takes Doc Sampson 4 falls out of 5 easily.

[WarHULK]

Doc Samson is not Hulk's strength. Samson is Hulk's strength when Hulk is in a calm state. As soon as Hulk gets mad Samson really cannot compare. Abomination is also stronger than Samson in the comics, but I digress.

Apocolypse didn't beat the Hulk, per se, but he had him in a rather compromising position when he made his offer to become War. If the battle had continued I am certian Hulk would have defeated him.

Needless to say that, yes, Apocolypse is powerful, and has been for many years now. Also needless to say is that this version of Apocolypse will own indoors. The steady stats show his ability to adapt well to his surroundings quite well, in fact. The biggest problem is his loss of Inv. too soon and the fact that his damage drops a little faster than it should. I would have given him one click of 4 damage and I would have given him 3 damage for one click longer aswell. Inv. should have stuck around for another 3, maybe 4 clicks in my opinion. The low defense I can understand since he never dodges an attack, but he's also extremely hard to hurt, so Inv. for longer would have made this a perfect clix.

[Mongoose]

Needless to say that, yes, Apocolypse is powerful, and has been for many years now. Also needless to say is that this version of Apocolypse will own indoors. The steady stats show his ability to adapt well to his surroundings quite well, in fact. The biggest problem is his loss of Inv. too soon and the fact that his damage drops a little faster than it should. I would have given him one click of 4 damage and I would have given him 3 damage for one click longer aswell. Inv. should have stuck around for another 3, maybe 4 clicks in my opinion. The low defense I can understand since he never dodges an attack, but he's also extremely hard to hurt, so Inv. for longer would have made this a perfect clix.
I guess he could do one click of 4 damage. Then again Mags only has 1 click of 4 damage, and he is more powerful then Apocalypse in the comics. I don't know why people are so worried about him. You guys are not analyzing the sickness this guy is capable of indoors (Excluding you Warhulk). Put him in a seperate room from a medic (Keep the medic out of harm's length). His low DV will make it almost impossible to miss him. Just have him attack, then push himself to phase into the medics room. Once he's there, it will be a cinch to heal him.

[Spinebreaker]

Apocalypse is dangerous in the same way batman is. When Doc Samson would hit you in the face, Apocalypse has planned that you are weakened from 4 fights previously, when he appears behind you and punches you in the back of the head.

Apocalypse fights with his head rather than brawling, this is represented (fairly well) in his dial.

[cantcme]

Although I agree that he isnt as physically as strong as Doc,I do think he should of been alot tougher. They should of given him inv. for alot longer since this guy is very,very tough. Of course this is all based on before any of us have had the chance to play him but I still think he could of been done a little better.

[dmac7979]

Did anyone notice how huge the Apocalypse figure is? I dont know if its the perspective of the shot, but he looks friggin' massive.

[Mongoose]

Although I agree that he isnt as physically as strong as Doc,I do think he should of been alot tougher. They should of given him inv. for alot longer since this guy is very,very tough. Of course this is all based on before any of us have had the chance to play him but I still think he could of been done a little better.
The guy has a 4 range. Samson doesn't have that. After Samson loses his charge attack, that range will be a factor. I think that 1 on 1 that Apocalypse clix figure will win. He will really cream Samson indoors with an object.

[the itsy bit]

Originally posted by dmac7979
Did anyone notice how huge the Apocalypse figure is? I dont know if its the perspective of the shot, but he looks friggin' massive.

Colossus's sculpt is also very big, it will be difficult to stuff them in the boosters.
hey, look a bulgy booster, I think it's Apo or Colossus.