Colossus xplosion stats

[Spideygoalie]

Hey guys,

I've tried a few other threads but cannot find anyone with the big C's Veteran dial!!!

He's on EBAY so he does exist, so if anyone could post these numbers it would be greatly appreciated, and I think it will open up a great new debate in regards to the heaviest CLIX hitters!


Spidey

[Spiritual_Ex]

It's in the warriors section

[Mongoose]

He is asking for the veteran version's stats, which are not in the Warrior's section.

[Spideygoalie]

Thanx 'goose, I didn't think I was crazy!

I just can't believe that U Hulk stats are in and Colossus are not.

[Mongoose]

I just can't believe that U Hulk stats are in and Colossus are not.
That's because someone sent in the Savage Hulk's stats. On another note, they have the veteran version of Colossus's stats on the stats page for xplosion. I read it somewhere. it is almost identical to Thing's stats (4 damage for 2-3 clicks, then a bunch of 3's). He has a horrible AV as well (Not really bad, but people say it is).

[Spideygoalie]

Hey 'goose, where did you see that stats page?

Thanx man!

[Todosi]

Well, since he's right here...

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
06 08 08 08 08 07 07 07 06 06
10 10 09 08 08 07 07 07 06 06
14 15 15 14 14 14 13 13 13 12
01 04 04 04 03 03 03 02 02 02

Charge on clix 2,3,4
Super Strength on clix 2,3,4,5,6,7,8
Invulnerability on clix 2,3,4,5
Toughness on clix 6,7,8,9,10

Todosi

[Mongoose]

Yep that's him. He just begs you to push him (Kinda doesn't make sense to me, but oh well). I'm sure you can live with the 4 damage for 3 clicks :)

[WarHULK]

What's his point value?

[Mongoose]

Here are his stats (I got them from the stats page).
exp colossus points: 95 collect#: 80 x-men
Move: 6 8char 8char 8char 7 7 7 6 6
attack: 9 9SS 8SS 8SS 7SS 7SS 7SS 6 6
Defense: 14 15inv 14inv 14inv14tou 13tou 13tou 13tou 12tou
Damage: 1 4 4 3 3 3 2 2 2

[Mongoose]

Oops, that's the experienced version. The veteran has 1 more click of 4 damage and a higher AV. I don't know what his point value is.

[Spideygoalie]

Wow,

Not bad for 111 points!!!!

I've gone back and forth about the "wasted" first click.

This might be the logic...

In hero clix, as well as the Marvel Universe, the battle is not usually on panel one. I guess the assumption is that your "clix" army is not necessarily in birds eye view or within immediate attacking distance of the other army eliminating the need to be "armored up" or even "Hulked up" for the first click.

It sems that they are trying to mirror an actual pre-battle scenario with the "transforming" characters starting in "human form" until immenent battle.

Let me know any thoughts on this as I have seen that it is a bone of contention amongst members.

Also, thoughts on Colossus Veteran dial!!!

I'm happy aside from the slightly low AV and D Value.

I was hoping for at least one 11AV and one 16-17D value.

[the itsy bit]

Originally posted by Spideygoalie
In hero clix, as well as the Marvel Universe, the battle is not usually on panel one. I guess the assumption is that your "clix" army is not necessarily in birds eye view or within immediate attacking distance of the other army eliminating the need to be "armored up" or even "Hulked up" for the first click.

Also, thoughts on Colossus Veteran dial!!!

I'm happy aside from the slightly low AV and D Value.

I was hoping for at least one 11AV and one 16-17D value.

Oh yeah this other day I walked down the street and saw the Hulk, he said hi !
yep, it was the smart one.
..
This never happened to me:rolleyes: .
why?
because Heroclix isn't based on "real" life, so WK/the designers arguments for giving Colossus a power-up click are ridicilous !
Prof X would warn him telephatically to armour up, Colossus wouldn't be standing there while he sees a whole enemy force flying towards him.

However, I could live with it ("because it makes him different from the other bruisers"JonL) IF his AV/DV would have been higher !!:(

second he's always Inv there are NO toughness steps, his armour is Inv. or not !

Only the Vet. is (remotely) playable !
And 15 defence !! for crying out LOUD, a thug has higher defences.
Colossus ALWAYS takes the blows for the team (see he always gets hit, but it doesn't damage him doesn't apply) otherwise he should have been Inv for all the time instead of toughness.

Inv on the second click should cost less then on the first click (did anybody check the pointdifference for this).
personally I'm dissapointed in you JonL, first you make Nightcrawler Unique (so that I can't trade for him) and then you make another of my favourite X-men from my favourite X-team underpowered !:(

[Spideygoalie]

Itsy Bitsy,

The viewpoint wasn't based on a real life assesment.

As I said before, in the "Marvel Universe" I don't often recall Colossus or Hulk in battle form (Armor or Green) unless there was an immediate threat.

I'm talking strictly when Banner would "turn" and Colossus could also "turn" at will, not when either was stuck in either Hulk or armored form.

I do not like the first click either, I was just trying to come up with the reasoning behind it!

[the itsy bit]

Originally posted by Spideygoalie
I'm talking strictly when Banner would "turn" and Colossus could also "turn" at will, not when either was stuck in either Hulk or armored form.

I do not like the first click either, I was just trying to come up with the reasoning behind it!

the difference is: the Hulk couldn't just "turn" green Bruce would have to get very angry first.
Colossus "turned" into his armoured self with a mere thought.

I don't have a problem with Colossus having a "normal" click up front, IF only he would have been better in Rookie and Experienced versions.

Colossus should have had a higher defence on his Inv. clicks like every click 16 defence or something.

[WarHULK]

Well, yea, Banner had to be in some sort of emotional distress to turn into the hulk most of the time.... Of course, we're not including the time where it was the moon which made him change into Hulk or the many times where he was "stuck" in Hulk form. Heck, right now Banner is super strong without even turning into the Hulk, how messed up is that? heh...

[Spiritual_Ex]

At least he is an X-man, so that "normal" click can be used to great effect if you want to dish off a point to a team mate bfore engaging in combat. Makes it easier to push the team (Especially Jean).

[Beastchylde]

I like everything but the defense. 15 is way too low. I would be ok with the low defense if he had 6 clix of Invulnerability. Oh well. At least he is only 111 points. He'll be on my X-Men team.

[Beastchylde]

Originally posted by Mongoose

That's because someone sent in the Savage Hulk's stats. On another note, they have the veteran version of Colossus's stats on the stats page for xplosion. I read it somewhere. it is almost identical to Thing's stats (4 damage for 2-3 clicks, then a bunch of 3's). He has a horrible AV as well (Not really bad, but people say it is).

And where the heck is this stats page?

[Spideygoalie]

I agree with the Defense...I did a comparison with the other heavy hitters and Colossus matches up pretty close in regards to charge/Inv/Tough/ and damage (As compared to Hulk/Juggs/Thing/Herc/and She Hulk) He does lack a couple of extra clicks of SS and falls very short in Defense value.

With that low of a defense he definitely should have had another click (at least) of Inv.

I do like the 10 clicks of life tho.

[the itsy bit]

Originally posted by Beastchylde
I like everything but the defense. 15 is way too low. I would be ok with the low defense if he had 6 clix of Invulnerability. Oh well. At least he is only 111 points. He'll be on my X-Men team.

15 defence is definately very low for a bruiser !
yep, 6 clicks of Inv. and 7 clicks of life total would have been better.

[the itsy bit]

Originally posted by Spideygoalie


I do like the 10 clicks of life tho.

essentially Inv. is the equivalent of 2 clicks of life (unless outwitted off course !), so more Inv. and less clicks of life would have made Colossus more true to his nature and alive for long enough !