View Full Version : Sculpts with other characters?? Yea? Nay?
Milo Garret
10/14/2010, 01:26
So what do you think of sculpts that have other characters in them not reflected on the dial such as the new Bane, new colossal Apocalypse, Crisis Supergirl, and Volstagg?
Darth Sabre
10/14/2010, 01:33
I think there are bigger concerns with sculpts than them having characters who are not represented on the dial. They add a more dynamic dimension to the sculpts and are especially cool when they are based off of famouse covers or scenes.
Milo Garret
10/14/2010, 01:37
I think there are bigger concerns with sculpts than them having characters who are not represented on the dial.
Probably, but other people can handle those threads/polls.
They add a more dynamic dimension to the sculpts and are especially cool when they are based off of famouse covers or scenes.
That'd be fine for statues, but for a game it annoys me seeing Apocalypse holding Jean and Cyclops when they are also 10 squares away from him battling Spider-Man.
Borachobean
10/14/2010, 01:38
I think they are very characterful. I voted yes, but as it is, i would only want like maybe 4-5 figs in a set to be made with other sculpts on their base.
Figs like these tell a story, and that story is why this character is who he is. If someone who's never played heroclix before, but has read comic books, sees these models, they can instantly recognize the fig from what the pose is suggesting through their knowledge of or memory of certain comics. And if u turn that around, someone who has played clix but is not a comic fan, or is just a comic fan of a certain universe (i.e. i only collect/play Marvel) will be curious as to why these other sculpts are on this figs base, and maybe do some research (i.e. read the comic or graphic novel)
JustForClix
10/14/2010, 01:40
I voted anonymous, seeing other well-known characters not represented on the dial seems a bit too confusing. Is this a duo piece? Can Apocalypse throw Cyclops at me as a free action?
Having just read Darth’s post got me thinking though, comic covers would make for some pretty awesome sculpts!
T. Paul Stiles
10/14/2010, 01:51
I clicked "Okay by me" but would have preferred "I ####### LOVE THEM!!!"
HH2011003
10/14/2010, 01:56
I find it awkward; Bane is especially weird because it's super-likely that theme players are going to be playing him against Batman teams a LOT. The Bane sculpt is awesome as a tiny statue, but in practice I'll likely be house-ruling that he is constantly carrying a light object with him, lol.
I'm also a little iffy on other statue-sculpts like BatB Martian Manhunter. Though that issue is fantastic, it makes for a weird game-piece.
I dunno', perhaps I invest too much in the roleplay elements of tabletop-games, but I prefer a standard shooting/punching/flying action pose so it actually looks like a fight has broken out on my kitchen table.
Prof. Aragorn
10/14/2010, 01:57
Yeah, you know what makes you go, "That is a cool figure!" When you recognize the character in that environment or from that iconic comic panel/cover.
Oh no, Bane lugs Batman around the board for the whole game. What kind of sense does that make? Who cares? That's a #####in' sculpt.
HH2011003
10/14/2010, 01:58
I find it awkward; Bane is especially weird because it's super-likely that theme players are going to be playing him against Batman teams a LOT. The Bane sculpt is awesome as a tiny statue, but in practice I'll likely be house-ruling that he is constantly carrying a light object with him, lol.
I'm also a little iffy on other statue-sculpts like BatB Martian Manhunter. Though that issue is fantastic, it makes for a weird game-piece.
I dunno', perhaps I invest too much in the roleplay elements of tabletop-games, but I prefer a standard shooting/punching/flying action pose so it actually looks like a fight has broken out on my kitchen table.
Not to say that the sculpts aren't awesome-looking... I will assuredly be buying the HECK out of that Apocalypse. But it will always feel a little strange to me in-game, despite looking rad on the shelf.
Milo Garret
10/14/2010, 02:04
Oh no, Bane lugs Batman around the board for the whole game. What kind of sense does that make? Who cares?
I do. Hense the poll ;).
vlad3theimpaler
10/14/2010, 02:14
First one to vote "other." I feel special.
I think they make for some cool sculpts, and that Apocalypse in particular looks pretty awesome. However, I think that it does clutter things up visually a little more, and should be reserved for special figures, like Colossals and brick figures, etc.
On a related note, it's rather fun to place figures in Galactus's outstretched hand after KO'ing them.
Kamakura
10/14/2010, 02:19
I like Apocalypse enough to ignore Scott and Jean, but that's cutting it close
Herrbrane
10/14/2010, 03:22
I really like good sculpts. If they look good I am happy. I don't really care if there is another person on the sculpt. It would be like complaining about the powerman and iron fist sculpt because iron fist is always mid-jump
I do. Hense the poll ;).
By the way your poll options are kinda scewed (tone wise)
I voted for, "They're ok by me," but it really depends. I think that Apocalypse looks great and is a wonderful homage to the cover it's taken from. Similarly, Volstagg is pretty neato. Crisis Supergirl... not so much.
I voted anonymous, seeing other well-known characters not represented on the dial seems a bit too confusing. Is this a duo piece? Can Apocalypse throw Cyclops at me as a free action?
Having just read Darth’s post got me thinking though, comic covers would make for some pretty awesome sculpts!
You do know that the Apocalypse in question is almost exactly the same as an iconic cover, right? It's not exaclty the same due to production reasons (I would assume), but it's nearly identical.
Wombatboy
10/14/2010, 08:10
I think it's weird. I dislike any sculpt where there's extra stuff that could be situationally inappropriate, like extra characters on the dial. I think flying characters perched on walls or debris are another example of this (are they lugging it around with them when they fly through the air?). Secret Invasion Spider-Man with his streetlight is probably the worst offender - what if Spidey's fighting in the jungle? Is he still on that stupid streetlight?
red king
10/14/2010, 08:16
Every now and then its ok, but too much and it does get a little silly.
gmastermcd
10/14/2010, 08:30
I certainly like it more than the "dynamic flight poses" we got for all flyers.
Nightwing-fan
10/14/2010, 08:32
I went with no because we dont need to start seeing two different know figures on a dial. Especially when the dial is only to represent one character. Also the fact that some of the sculpts are pretty bad, I would rather they improve the single figures sculpt back to what is was in Fantastic Forces and Origins, two of the better sculpted sets.
The generic guys under Volstagg is good, but we dont need it in multiple versions throughout every set. The Spiderman & Mugger bibtb figure is great to look at, but thats also on a huge base and as far as his dial goes he's one of the worst.
Bane breaking Batmans back, maybe. That represents a major DC storyline years ago. Also the Colossus throwing Wolverine sculpt looks good, but I dont want to see a trend here where a lot of the two figures sculpts on one dial show up. Bad thought, is Giant X-Men going to be Marvels version of Brave & the Bold?
Only one of the B&B SR duos sees lots of play in my armies. I hope they dont do this to GXM, that will totally ruin the set in my opinion.
Also is Wolvie & Colossus going to be a duo fig dial? I would think, but also hope its the only duo in the set.
All I want to see is great individual sculpts of the characters, not crappy singles or duos.
Munchoboy
10/14/2010, 08:52
I think there are bigger concerns with sculpts than them having characters who are not represented on the dial. They add a more dynamic dimension to the sculpts and are especially cool when they are based off of famouse covers or scenes.
Agreed. It's nice to see the game pay homage to its source material in this fashion occassionally.
I clicked "Okay by me" but would have preferred "I ####### LOVE THEM!!!"
Me too.
By the way your poll options are kinda scewed (tone wise)
Agreed. It would be nice, for a change, to see polls without such clear bias. :ermm:
Initially -- like pieces of scenery on the bases -- I wasn't thrilled about such things but I soon got over that. It isn't as if my imagination is so limited that I must accept that the characters remain in the same poses as they move around the map anymore than I think T'Challa brings a boulder with him wherever he goes. The representations are meant to be posed and dramatic. Ideally each is supposed to remind us who the character is or make us interested in finding more out about him.
The rest of this post is digression -- loosely related, but ultimately off the main topic.
So long as they stick with doing it on a standard-sized base -- unless the dial calls for something more -- I'm fine. I hope they never do anything like the WoS brick piece again, where the 2x2 base is employed solely because they're trying to recreate a scene. (Unfortunately, we've already seen at least one more - a Detective Comics #27-inspired sculpt - lurking out there, so it seems that they will... unless they've handled it more like the Clown Prince of Crime and it actually uses more than 12 dial slots.) My problem with the peviewed Apocalypse sculpt isn't that Scott and Jean are in his clutches - that just helps reinforce that he's a sufficiently major player that he can handle a couple of major player X-Men - but is simply that I'm not very interested in more colossals; I seldom want to play them.
Honestly, I'm much more bothered when there's more than one character on the base and they're both supposed to be represented by the dial. I don't care how playable they make them,almost all of the Duos produced are IMHO fundamentally poor representations (two characters forced to share the same location and be the same target) done for the sake of some combination of the sculpt and sales hook for the, frankly, gullible. I've been reading these characters' adventures for well over four decades (except, of course, in the cases of where the characters haven't been around that long) and I know who plays well with who, but I don't let that override the simple fact that the characters should retain independent movement and target status, but just be made to work particularly well together.
Milo Garret
10/14/2010, 10:59
Agreed. It would be nice, for a change, to see polls without such clear bias. :ermm:
Ok. Next time I'll just have these options:
1) Yes
2) No
3) Maybe
4) Sometimes
5) Other
What about Zombie Giant-Man? No mention of him and Black Panther.
saturnflight
10/14/2010, 11:11
I find it awkward; Bane is especially weird because it's super-likely that theme players are going to be playing him against Batman teams a LOT. The Bane sculpt is awesome as a tiny statue, but in practice I'll likely be house-ruling that he is constantly carrying a light object with him, lol.
Unless it's Adam West Batman; then it's a heavy object!
If their trying to recreate a particular cover or a certain moment in the history of a charactor then it's perfectly fine. Also who's to say Apocalypse is a colossal he could be a giant that's so powerful he needs a 2 x 2 base to represent how awesome he is. I'd love a Thanos sitting in his temple bones or Green Scar ripping Tony Stark out or his Armor.
'Only if they are of anonymous characters like in Volstagg's sculpt'
Funny, I was thinking of this same thing just yesterday, as I was looking at the new Apocalypse sculpt. Love Apocalypse's pose, but I am not a fan of him holding Jean and Scott like that. They should have been some random schlubs.
Same with the bane pose.
I voted "other". Because I really don't care - so long as the sculpts good.
DarkBlueAnt
10/14/2010, 11:23
No sir, I don't like it!
There are some people who play just for the game, but I play because I kind of like comic roleplay. I don't like it getting awkward.
Cyclops: "Apocalypse, release that man!"
Apocalypse: "Cyclops? Huh? How--"
Cyclops: "Is that..."
Apocalypse: "Um... let's... let's just pretend my hands are empty..."
Honestly, I don't even like scenery on the stand. My favorite is to just have the character looking awesome with as little excess as possible. If I want to make a diorama, I can pop the figure off and make one.
readyeddy?
10/14/2010, 11:35
I'm not into it. Bane doesn't go into battle while he's holding Batman. It ruins the visual. Same way with the Martian Manhunter sitting down and munching Chocos.
HH2011003
10/14/2010, 11:38
Unless it's Adam West Batman; then it's a heavy object!
Oh, the things I'd do for/to Wizkids to get them to buy the Batman '66 license...
Munchoboy
10/14/2010, 11:43
Ok. Next time I'll just have these options:
1) Yes
2) No
3) Maybe
4) Sometimes
5) Other
In all fairness, that actually would be better than the majority of Poll options to date. :ermm:
Spider-Bat
10/14/2010, 12:03
I do. Hense the poll ;).
I care as well. I'm not really a fan of things like that, as it raises the cost of the figure due to more plastic being used (actual cost, not game cost). Also, it irks me to see things like Colossus or Gambit standing on chunks of a Sentinel, as there are no Sentinels involved in this battle. And there aren't 2 Batmen fighting Bane...
I get that it "looks cool", but I'd rather have more affordable figures than "cool looking" ones. Since I have to fix stuff LE Daken having the wrong claws anyway, I just cut that crud off and mod them to be on litter-free bases.
PaxZRake
10/14/2010, 12:09
I think they're the beez kneez!
elfholme
10/14/2010, 12:31
I find it awkward; Bane is especially weird because it's super-likely that theme players are going to be playing him against Batman teams a LOT.
Yep, that was my first thought when I saw that piece.
I find them annoying. Not quite as annoying as sculpts that are just standing there, or peanut-base duos, but annoying. About as annoying as a sculpt that has guns but no range. Cool sculpt and all, but it makes very little sense in the game.
I love the Apocalypse and Bane sculpts as statue. In that regard it's right up there with the Spider-Man brick figure and the Catwoman/Batman brick figure. As Heroclix figures, I find them lacking.
I don't mind Volstagg so much, because it's just some random enemy scrub, and he's just stepping on him. But characters cracking the back of/strangling foes that I'm quite likely actually going to want to be playing against them? I think it's a bad concept.
Battletank900
10/14/2010, 12:41
My preference is just the character, no others, and no other junk either. My 2 cents.
commandercool
10/14/2010, 13:15
I like 'em. They remind me of Horrorclix.
spider_ham
10/14/2010, 14:17
They're fine with me.
For instance, the Colossus/Wolverine preview is probably just a new Colossus with a Fastball Special SP somewhere on the dial. Duo or not, the extra sculpt (Wolvie) doesn't bother me; depending on the rarity, he could be removed and modded.
A Piotr/Logan duo would be very cool, however (I'm guessing they'd be similar to Power Man/Iron Fist).
CowboyBebop
10/14/2010, 15:15
I can't stand it. Is Bane going to beat the bejeezus out of Batman with Batman? It is going to look pretty stupid to have Apocalypse on the board holding Scott and Jean while fighting Scott and Jean.
This game is playable with just round plastic dials. The sculpts just add a little bit of extra flavor and are what really give this game some charm and appeal. They are statues. So if a tied up thug makes the sculpt more interesting, so much the better. I think that demanding that the sculpts somehow represent a character only fighting (and without any "extras") is taking the game way too literally, especially considering the game itself is already a huge abstraction.
TheVagrantKing
10/14/2010, 15:33
For me, if it's a good sculpt, it's a good sculpt.
Also, Zombie Giant-Man is awesome.
I find it awkward; Bane is especially weird because it's super-likely that theme players are going to be playing him against Batman teams a LOT. The Bane sculpt is awesome as a tiny statue, but in practice I'll likely be house-ruling that he is constantly carrying a light object with him, lol.
I'm also a little iffy on other statue-sculpts like BatB Martian Manhunter. Though that issue is fantastic, it makes for a weird game-piece.
I dunno', perhaps I invest too much in the roleplay elements of tabletop-games, but I prefer a standard shooting/punching/flying action pose so it actually looks like a fight has broken out on my kitchen table.
AMEN! if the sculpt works with the theme great, if not, I might be swapping the dial to a solo version of that character. I love to run comic accurate/thematic teams, for these same reasons some excess base details also detract from the aesthetic side of the RP, so Nightcrawler is bamfing through a brick wall, ok... we are on the space map though...
lancelot
10/14/2010, 15:43
As someone who immediately swapped out the thug Supergirl was carrying for Hawkeye's bike (looks futuristic enough) and replaced the Volstagg troll with a piece of rock, I really hate OTHER CHARACTERS being toted around on the battlefield.
gambit38
10/14/2010, 16:19
I can't stand it. Is Bane going to beat the bejeezus out of Batman with Batman? It is going to look pretty stupid to have Apocalypse on the board holding Scott and Jean while fighting Scott and Jean.
Spot on !!
I even hate stuff like hotdog stands...
gambit38
10/14/2010, 16:39
This game is playable with just round plastic dials. The sculpts just add a little bit of extra flavor and are what really give this game some charm and appeal. They are statues. So if a tied up thug makes the sculpt more interesting, so much the better. I think that demanding that the sculpts somehow represent a character only fighting (and without any "extras") is taking the game way too literally, especially considering the game itself is already a huge abstraction.
Totally and utterly disagree. If there were no figures there would be no heroclix. The dials are the easy way of keeping track of battles , rather than a pencil and a piece of paper (quite a revelation for a skirmish war game ). The whole point of the game, was to be able to fight the battles we had read about in comics over the years.
Sculpts with tons of scenery on, or holding other characters, I have no doubt are loved by collectors and the players who see the game as "chess" but with some kind of heros on the base.
But for me, they detract from game. It just doesn't seem right to have dardevil swinging on his church cross in the middle of a mall.
I like extra stuff. More plastic for my money!
Please remember that some heroclix fans/buyers are more collectors than gamers. I didn't have anyone to play Heroclix with, so I ended up being more of a collector. Right now, I don't even play at all... I just buy singles online of the figures whose sculpts I like the best (then put them in a box and store them in my garage to protect them from my teething daughter. Sigh...).
Kamakura
10/14/2010, 16:46
It's a good question, I'm surprised no one came up with this poll earlier. My basic thought is that if I like a character (Apocalypse) I don't want to see anyone else with him. But if I don't really care (Volstagg) then it can be kinda neat.
This kind of goes back to my suggestion here: http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=291049
about having chases be different sculpts.
If Apocalypse alone were the standard figure then I might want both versions so I could display one on my shelf, perhaps even switching them out by mood.
I get your point, but does it really matter? It doesn't make sense if you play a team with doubles (unless they're generics, Multiple Man, Multiplex, Cuckoo sisters, etc.). It doesn't make sense either when you play a team that has one or more characters that have the same (or a variation of)character/s as the opposing team.
I can't stand it. Is Bane going to beat the bejeezus out of Batman with Batman? It is going to look pretty stupid to have Apocalypse on the board holding Scott and Jean while fighting Scott and Jean.
Halvmorke
10/14/2010, 17:29
Nooooo!! I don't like this... I simply prefer the heroe that the dial's representing.
I've found that it depends on the sculpt and character. It didn't bug me with Volstagg, Supergirl, or Apocalypse, but I wish Bane didn't have Batman. That's mostly because I want to run him with the Secret Six though, and he didn't fight Batman while with the Six.
Zatara55
10/14/2010, 17:44
That'd be fine for statues, but for a game it annoys me seeing Apocalypse holding Jean and Cyclops when they are also 10 squares away from him battling Spider-Man.
Exactly. They look cool but Alan Scott looks stupid trying to maintain his balance on a girder while going into battle. Of course I can always mod it into something else but them some venues wouldn't let you use that piece. I'd just rather have the figs in a flight/running/fighting pose instead of their first cover appearence.
Zatara55
10/14/2010, 17:46
And Volstogg troll got his arms and legs cut off. Painted him grey to look like another rock.
Crisis Supergirl had the guy removed and her arms lowered to her sides. Doesn't look great but at least she's not holding anyone now.
obesesniper93
10/14/2010, 18:15
the only problem is the space they take up in a box...
i respect the fact that everyone has their 'issues' with some aspect of this game, but seriously don't expect WK/NECA to do a thing about this one as i feel it's a non issue.
it's about as pointless as *****ing about the exact shade of blue they use on figures' paint jobs:ermm:
it's the sculptors artistic expression being debated here and i'm all for it! sculpt how you want, just make the sculpts GOOD, not lackluster/carppy. if im paying top dollar for a product i want it to at least look good. the apoc clix looks simply amazing!
this is just my opinion, so please don't think i'm slamming you OP, just sharing a perspective from the opposite side is all. :classic:
Kamakura
10/14/2010, 19:52
I'm not certain that WK wouldn't change things. At least a small percentage of buyers buy for the sculpts/characters. If they begin marketing Sentinel-sized pieces the potential to expand the market to statue/model collectors grows, thus the company adjusts to their desires.
Let's face it, the majority of clix players may not like the way a sculpt is, but that probably isn't enough to stop us from buying, whereas if their sculpts need to appeal to a wider audience we can see changes.
(this could gladly be a much longer post, so if you would like to discuss it, just quote me)
i respect the fact that everyone has their 'issues' with some aspect of this game, but seriously don't expect WK/NECA to do a thing about this one as i feel it's a non issue.
it's about as pointless as *****ing about the exact shade of blue they use on figures' paint jobs:ermm:
it's the sculptors artistic expression being debated here and i'm all for it! sculpt how you want, just make the sculpts GOOD, not lackluster/carppy. if im paying top dollar for a product i want it to at least look good. the apoc clix looks simply amazing!
this is just my opinion, so please don't think i'm slamming you OP, just sharing a perspective from the opposite side is all. :classic:
crazymike2501
10/14/2010, 20:37
i like it...
i think it is cool to use comic covers as the sculpt..
just so long as they dont paint apocalypse orange and call him holocaust... like they have been doing...
The Arachnid
10/14/2010, 21:39
I'm fine with it as long as they can stand on the table with out me having to mod them. Plus it was a kick seeing Giant Man eating Black Panther. Heresy that it was.
Herrbrane
10/14/2010, 22:00
No sir, I don't like it!
There are some people who play just for the game, but I play because I kind of like comic roleplay. I don't like it getting awkward.
Cyclops: "Apocalypse, release that man!"
Apocalypse: "Cyclops? Huh? How--"
Cyclops: "Is that..."
Apocalypse: "Um... let's... let's just pretend my hands are empty..."
Honestly, I don't even like scenery on the stand. My favorite is to just have the character looking awesome with as little excess as possible. If I want to make a diorama, I can pop the figure off and make one.
If your peices are talking like that I think you have bigger problems...
:confused::noid::cheeky::grin::laugh::nervous:
WakandaMan
10/14/2010, 22:05
As usual Milo, you and I are of one mind on this.
I HATE sculpts with an extra character on them. Even though they often look cool, it just doesn't make any sense at all while playing. Like someone else said, they're cool as statues, but not as game pieces.
Assuming I get him, I'll be very tempted to try and cut Cyke and Jean out of Apoc's hands. Might be a bit tricky though, and there's also the problem of devaluing what I assume will be a very valuable figure.
The worst is Zombie Giant-Man. Not only do I HATE the extra character, but I also HATE zombies, and Black Panther is my favourite character! :angry:
Herrbrane
10/14/2010, 22:12
Exactly. They look cool but Alan Scott looks stupid trying to maintain his balance on a girder while going into battle. Of course I can always mod it into something else but them some venues wouldn't let you use that piece. I'd just rather have the figs in a flight/running/fighting pose instead of their first cover appearence.
If it was like this then people would complain about poor/static sculpts
hobojoe258
10/15/2010, 01:20
I'm ok with extra stuff, just not repeat sculpts like the WoS Spider-Men and Scarlet Spidey.
Neverfate
10/15/2010, 02:36
I'm deciding if I like the Apocalypse with Jean and Cyke. . . but then I realized it's a giant Apocalypse. Granted the odds aren't great that I get him anyway, but hey, I guess I can live with the extra characters on it if I do.
Still, I rather it be nameless thugs with the few exceptions being Bane cracking Batman in two and so on.
DARKKNIGHT188
10/15/2010, 02:39
I dunno', perhaps I invest too much in the roleplay elements of tabletop-games, but I prefer a standard shooting/punching/flying action pose so it actually looks like a fight has broken out on my kitchen table.
Good God Man thats where you eat!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wombatboy
10/15/2010, 09:35
I can't stand it. Is Bane going to beat the bejeezus out of Batman with Batman?
Bane would have to taunt him first. He'd say "This is what I'm going to do to you! Allow me to demonstrate on this costumed dummy!"
Ironman1994
10/15/2010, 09:56
I actually like it. Think of the sculpts representing what those characters do. Amazing Fantasy Spider-Man is just trying to save citizens. Supergirl is beating up crooks. Apocalypse is torturing the X-Men. Etc.
I don't like it, and is the only reason I won't be adding that Apocalypse to my collection. I'm playing a game with miniature representations of comic characters, not famous scenes from comic books. That is what statues and busts are for.
CutieBoy_103
10/15/2010, 12:27
I don't like it, and is the only reason I won't be adding that Apocalypse to my collection. I'm playing a game with miniature representations of comic characters, not famous scenes from comic books. That is what statues and busts are for.
well, life suuure is boring for you, think of this: you are trying to deny the dynamic and unique style of these kind of sculpts as compared to what you want (having figures that are sculpted w/ their arms raised up towards the sky, or their fists clenched and ready to punch you in the face --well, i have seen that a gazillion times already since infinity challenge, isn't it time to have something new??)
Whats so new and special about Apocalypse stomping around the map with his hands molded into the shapes of Cyclops and Phoenix? Thats how silly it will look with an X-men team fighting him.
Whats dynamic and unique to you looks incredibly stupid to me in a miniatures based game. I fail to see how Galactus would have been improved by adding an actual Silver Surfer to his outstreached hand. "Look everybody, I made this out of macaroni in summer camp".
First Lensman
10/15/2010, 13:28
Characters? What about walls and debris -- especially on a figure with Stealth?
Grumpygoat
10/15/2010, 14:41
I'm iffy on them. I acknowledge that the figures also should serve as display pieces to some degree, but the non-dial characters can be a bit distracting, particularly if it's a well known character.
So I'll say that they should be used sparingly - no more than one, maybe two per set. And preferably only with characters that are regularly created. I don't want the only version of Ragdoll to have a HIVE Trooper also on his dial, but if Batman's snagging a crook in the air? OK, I can get behind that.
Jackofhearts2005
10/15/2010, 15:07
I don't particularly like Apocalypse carrying around Jean and Cyke or Bane carrying around Batman (particularly because I like fighting Apocalypse using Cyke and Jean or Bane using Batman) but overall, it isn't that big of a deal.
DarkBlueAnt
10/15/2010, 16:36
well, life suuure is boring for you, think of this: you are trying to deny the dynamic and unique style of these kind of sculpts as compared to what you want (having figures that are sculpted w/ their arms raised up towards the sky, or their fists clenched and ready to punch you in the face --well, i have seen that a gazillion times already since infinity challenge, isn't it time to have something new??)
This is like saying: "Man, Halo sure is boring. You're just another cyborg space marine holding a gun. It would be so much more interesting if the entire time you play, you could be holding onto two grunts and choking them."
Simple is good, and "new" doesn't need to be atmosphere destroying either. I mean, Apocalypse can transform his hands into ANYTHING. He doesn't need Jean and Cyclops to help him be unique. All that needs to be done is to throw in a little imagination instead of 100% copying a comic cover.
That being said, even though I would argue against them to the death, I still wouldn't stop playing the game or anything because of this. It's not that big a deal.
Crazy Bee
10/18/2010, 10:53
I'm a fan of dynamic looking sculpts. Volstagg, Cookie Monster Martian Manhunter, the "Spider of Thunder". As long as the sculpt is character appropriate I approve.
elfholme
10/18/2010, 12:43
I'm a fan of dynamic looking sculpts. Volstagg, Cookie Monster Martian Manhunter, the "Spider of Thunder". As long as the sculpt is character appropriate I approve.
Me too. That's why I hate the "Cookie Monster Martian Manhunter". He's not dynamic at all, and he doesn't look like he's involved in a battle. I like your other two examples though.
Daveogara
10/18/2010, 12:48
I voted "They're OK with me". But I need to be clear they really are just Okay. I wouldn't say I like them, but when the pose is dramatic or classic enough to warrant a cameo by another character then I say why not. The new bane looks way cooler than the old one and that apocalypse looks great.
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