Beast Boy Speculation

[ChiRocker]

As seen in these two (http://www.thelittleshopofheroes.com/andy/DSC00127.JPG) pictures (http://www.thelittleshopofheroes.com/andy/DSC00123.JPG), both Beast Boys (the Common Gar and the SR T-Rex) are both 60 points, both have a trait, and neither have the AE symbol. My guess is that they both have the same amount of clicks as well.

My speculation is that you can at any moment (maybe just once per turn) switch one out for the other so long as you keep the figure on the same click (made easy by the handy dandy little red numbers).

My further speculation is that there will an Uncommon and a Rare little green animal for Gar to turn into (other wise giving one out as a common and one out as a SR doesn't make a lot of gameplay sense).

What are your takes on this possible new "mechanic" and what other animals would you like to see? I would like to see an Eagle and a Cheetah. The Cheetah would have higher speed with flurry and blades, the T-Rex would have charge and quake, and the Eagle will have flight among other things.

Speculate away!

Also, rep this guy (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5062312&postcount=24).

[thebigZZZZZ]

either Gorilla or mice...LOL. But I would love to get Beast Boy as Green Gorilla and then hopefully to see Congorilla in the set...so two Gorillas - one green and one Golden....cool!! :grin:

[Beast]

It was pretty much confirmed from one of the Wizkids people letting it slip.

There will be a different form for Gar at each one of the raritys.

So I am guessing Gorilla and Pteradon. Not sure which'll be uncommon or rare.

But there was also a comment that he'll be able to switch for free or something.

And yes, it wouldn't surprise me to see Congorilla in the set. Easy repaint for Wizkids.

[veguto]

Ape, hummingbird and Octopus. Oh I was supposed to pick two? Ape and sharktopus (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1619880/).

[tyroclix]

I agree, ChiRoller. There is no other explanation on how a Tyrannosaurus that is a Giant could be so cheap. Hopefully he is useful.

My fear is that they get too creative and nothing works (by too creative I mean they just go with sculpts). At 60 points, I've having a hard time envisioning what Dino-Beast Boy could have. 8 attack + BCF, Charge, Toughness and 5 clicks of life?

I remain hopeful, though. If he can revert from Dino to Beast Boy and use his Teen Titans TA to get back to start then it will be all good.

My prediction:

Trait is all the same on all "4" versions.

Beast Boy can use a free action (I hope its not a Power Action or he'll be junk) to replace his figure with the UC, Rare or SR. Whatever number of clicks of life he has is where he starts. Click number 2 on his human form will carry over to his Dino, Pterodactyl, or monkey.

Since Beast Boy has the Outsider and Teen Titans TA (and the dinosaur doesn't), I'd expect him to be 6 clicks deep (ugh) with little to no powers other than Shape-Change, some leadership, and maybe some Leap/Climb.

Dino: Charge, BCF, Toughness - attack value a 10, defense 17. Shape-Change for defensive help.

Bird is the taxi - flight, ES/D, blades, shape-change, willpower?

Monkey - tie-up, L/C, willpower? Combat Reflexes or Super-Senses?

Can't wait to learn more.

[ChiRocker]

My guess is that any form can change to any form for free, but only once per turn. I would rather get an eagle than pterodactyl, simply to not have 2 dinosaurs, and I would rather get something other than gorilla simply because then we have 2 brickish types. I can totally see being disappointed (merely for lack of better word, as I am ecstatic to be getting anything) on both cases. The gorilla is classic Gar, but I am hoping for an eagle as the third.

[KillerSavage]

My guess is that any form can change to any form for free, but only once per turn. I would rather get an eagle than pterodactyl, simply to not have 2 dinosaurs, and I would rather get something other than gorilla simply because then we have 2 brickish types. I can totally see being disappointed (merely for lack of better word, as I am ecstatic to be getting anything) on both cases. The gorilla is classic Gar, but I am hoping for an eagle as the third.
Doesn't the supes sculpt have an eagle perched on his arm or behind him. I'm thinking repaint on that one.

[thebigZZZZZ]

i really wish that they would do something neat with Beast Boy and his transformation like they did with BN the Atom...now that s the one that is really neat!

[theanalogkid]

Not that I don't like the idea, but 4 slots for 1 character is a bit...excessive. I would have like to seen a New Teen Titans Action Pack with these and his friends (+ Grant Wilson as Ravager!) and had some slots for some unmade characters.

[ChiRocker]

Not that I don't like the idea, but 4 slots for 1 character is a bit...excessive. I would have like to seen a New Teen Titans Action Pack with these and his friends (+ Grant Wilson as Ravager!) and had some slots for some unmade characters.

I personally can't wait to play a team of 5 Best Boys with animals switching out all over the place. The T-Rex might be the first SR that I try to get 2 of =]

[maddragon13]

I'd like to see...

Uncommom- Gorilla

Rare- Condor

SR- T-Rex (but we already know this one)

And if there is going to be a LE version- Rhino

[ChiRocker]

I'd like to see...

Uncommom- Gorilla

Rare- Condor

SR- T-Rex (but we already know this one)

And if there is going to be a LE version- Rhino

I would prefer an LE Dolphin.

[Pepsirox08]

This is great, i cannot wait!! Rare should be Pterodactyl, and Uncommon should be either Dog or Gorilla. Also, good to see some of the other pieces close up! Up top, we got a SR with a boot, and indomitable. And Alan Scott looks cool. Sargon with PC, Barrier, and Mystics. 2 Rare Blue Lanterns. Mr. Terrific at 59 pts (hmm). Green Arrow is a 134 and has Sharpshooter. Also... 62 pt DETECTIVE CHIMP!!! omfg... great set!!

[theanalogkid]

I personally can't wait to play a team of 5 Best Boys with animals switching out all over the place. The T-Rex might be the first SR that I try to get 2 of =]

I didn't say I wouldn't play with them.;) Just wish they would think about how they do things.

"Sir, we have all of these Titans that good use a Modern Age remake."

"We could release them one at a time."

"We could, or we could use our new mechanic for Beast Boy at least, giving many different options of forms."

"Sir, that would take 4 of 60 slots for just 1 figure. Add in our required Trinity figures, 3 generics, complete teams and this list of unmade heroes and villians will never get touched. We could do an Action set with him, all his forms, Raven, Cyborg and the male Ravager."

"We could, but we've already done 2 DC Action sets. We have to put them in the set, regardless of how long more of those unmade sit in Unmade Limbo."

[tyroclix]

I didn't say I wouldn't play with them.;) Just wish they would think about how they do things.

"Sir, we have all of these Titans that good use a Modern Age remake."

"We could release them one at a time."

"We could, or we could use our new mechanic for Beast Boy at least, giving many different options of forms."

"Sir, that would take 4 of 60 slots for just 1 figure. Add in our required Trinity figures, 3 generics, complete teams and this list of unmade heroes and villians will never get touched. We could do an Action set with him, all his forms, Raven, Cyborg and the male Ravager."

"We could, but we've already done 2 DC Action sets. We have to put them in the set, regardless of how long more of those unmade sit in Unmade Limbo."

While I would love a Teen Titans action set, this is the next best thing.

There is no way they could make a Gar Logan animal in a different set since the DC75 figure's card will have to say what numbers he can swap out with. So its either action pack or expansion.

And you have to wonder how well a TT action pack would sell. They seem to feel more comfortable with:

A) current wide story arcs (BN & BD)

B) Current movies (Jonah & Iron Man)

C) Recognizable characters (Wonder Woman, Hal Jordan, Aquaman, Iron Man, Spider-Man, etc)

The Titans aren't as universally known as the afore mentioned. And since they have never made a Justice League, X-Men, or Avengers Action Pack, I highly doubt we will see a Teen Titans pack anytime soon (or until a movie is in the works).

[Miraclo]

This is actually one of the first reveals for the set that's gotten me excited about it. I expect I'll want to get all four levels of him. That it's being handled as a Trait, with all four versions being the same cost brings us something that should work the way I'd expect these transformations to work.

Maybe this will open matters for them to ditch the formal AE mechanic in the future and do the same there, though it will become tricky coming up with a Clark Kent who deserves the same number of points as Superman... but it's workable. Clark could still have HSS at points, but remaining grounded and possibly with the restriction that he has to end his turn in the same spot he began it? He should remain effectively Invulnerable or better, but perhaps via an SP Defensive power that would see him having to remain inactive (playing possum) for a turn after being dealt 2 or more in Damage? It's worth them working on.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'd buy a Teen Titans action pack in a heartbeat.

While I love the idea of Gar being able to switch back and fourth between four dials, I do worry that with all those options, for him to still be only 60 points, most of his dials are gonna have to suck or else he's gonna have to take damage to switch or use up a power action or something else.

My hope is that each individual dial is actually worth 60 points and that you increase his point cost by 10 to 15 points for each dial that you add to make up for all the extra potential options.

I do like the double team ability on the common and neither on the rare. That allows the T-Rex dial to be better for cheaper but allows Gar to still retain both the Titans and Doom Patrol tas.

[Miraclo]

While I love the idea of Gar being able to switch back and fourth between four dials, I do worry that with all those options, for him to still be only 60 points, most of his dials are gonna have to suck or else he's gonna have to take damage to switch or use up a power action or something else.

I'm not seeing the need for the point scale-up. So long as each, separate dial is worth 60 points his being able to switch between them -- always changing to be on the same numbered click -- should be reasonably equitable. If he's pushed/been knocked to click #4 in one form and then switches he'll be on click #4 in that new form, never having had the use of whatever that one offered on his first three clicks.

Coming up with the strategies for optimizing him - which clicks are his best ones in each form - will becomes part of the trick of using him well, and that's something I welcome seeing. If they make the transformation cost an action it'll become far too clunky and ruin matters. He won't play anything like the way he should.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It isn't so much about changing figures to become more valuable as changing figures to be more valuable in a given situation.

If he can change forms to gain...charge without a significant change in stats, that's practically like adding charge to his dial which wouldn't be free. Obviously, using all four Beast Boy forms and switching back and forth should be better than using just one. Thus, there would logically be an added point cost or else a significant detriment to switching forms or else all the forms are individually not truely worth 60 points.

Of the three options, I'd be most comfortable with the first because I'd rather not have a T-Rex that's really only worth 45 or 50 points on its own and I'd REALLY rather not take damage clicks to switch forms.

[Puuka]

either Gorilla or mice...LOL. But I would love to get Beast Boy as Green Gorilla and then hopefully to see Congorilla in the set...so two Gorillas - one green and one Golden....cool!! :grin:

Don't forget Det. Chimp. He's in the pics too

[Puuka]

As seen in these two (http://www.thelittleshopofheroes.com/andy/DSC00127.JPG) pictures (http://www.thelittleshopofheroes.com/andy/DSC00123.JPG), both Beast Boys (the Common Gar and the SR T-Rex) are both 60 points, both have a trait, and neither have the AE symbol. My guess is that they both have the same amount of clicks as well.

My speculation is that you can at any moment (maybe just once per turn) switch one out for the other so long as you keep the figure on the same click (made easy by the handy dandy little red numbers).

My further speculation is that there will an Uncommon and a Rare little green animal for Gar to turn into (other wise giving one out as a common and one out as a SR doesn't make a lot of gameplay sense).

What are your takes on this possible new "mechanic" and what other animals would you like to see? I would like to see an Eagle and a Cheetah. The Cheetah would have higher speed with flurry and blades, the T-Rex would have charge and quake, and the Eagle will have flight among other things.

Speculate away!

Also, rep this guy (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5062312&postcount=24).
Another possibility is you pay 60 for each one, only one gets to go in your starting area and can only have on in play at a time, and can swap them out as an action, free or otherwise. (Like a side board team)

[Miraclo]

It isn't so much about changing figures to become more valuable as changing figures to be more valuable in a given situation.

If he can change forms to gain...charge without a significant change in stats, that's practically like adding charge to his dial which wouldn't be free. Obviously, using all four Beast Boy forms and switching back and forth should be better than using just one. Thus, there would logically be an added point cost or else a significant detriment to switching forms or else all the forms are individually not truely worth 60 points.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this then. It just seems to me that this will push the dial designers to optimize each form. Presumably if one dial offers better stats/powers it'll be balanced out on that dial with some other deficiencies. Dials packed with more will be shorter, too, so one will lose options as the game takes its toll on Gar.

I really hope the designer didn't make the mistake of thinking of it in the same terms you did. It would be needless complication giving us an inferior result. We've been burnt each time they've brought us a Beast Boy/Changeling before, let this one be one we actually want to use.

(Hopefully the won't summon one of the "a good player can make any dial work!"/"I did very well with the version one from..." people.)

[The Incredible Mate]

This is great, i cannot wait!! Rare should be Pterodactyl, and Uncommon should be either Dog or Gorilla. Also, good to see some of the other pieces close up! Up top, we got a SR with a boot, and indomitable. And Alan Scott looks cool. Sargon with PC, Barrier, and Mystics. 2 Rare Blue Lanterns. Mr. Terrific at 59 pts (hmm). Green Arrow is a 134 and has Sharpshooter. Also... 62 pt DETECTIVE CHIMP!!! omfg... great set!!

They have more than one Blue lanterns confirmed???!?!?!?!?!?!?

Who besides Saint walker?

[Suttkus]

I would prefer an LE Dolphin.

So would I. (http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/1194_4_79.jpg) Huh? What do you mean that's not what you meant?

Maybe this will open matters for them to ditch the formal AE mechanic in the future and do the same there, though it will become tricky coming up with a Clark Kent who deserves the same number of points as Superman... but it's workable. Clark could still have HSS at points, but remaining grounded and possibly with the restriction that he has to end his turn in the same spot he began it? He should remain effectively Invulnerable or better, but perhaps via an SP Defensive power that would see him having to remain inactive (playing possum) for a turn after being dealt 2 or more in Damage? It's worth them working on.

I like that HSS idea! I was thinking along similar lines earlier. (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4923779&postcount=25) Hmm, does that make my having repped you self-serving? : - )

Give the secret identity clicks the kinds of powers that the characters use in the "I'm in my regular identity and disaster struck unexpectedly!" moments. This is a regular comic book thing, it should be represented better in Clix, and would make the discrepancy between hero and joe AE forums less painful.

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Letting BB change forms as a free action seems entirely too abusable. Yes, the way AEs have been done is... suboptimal, but changing as a free action... brrr, scary, even limited to once per turn.

What about, you can give him a power action to change forms, OR as part of a move action?

[SilverAgeFlash]

at 60 Points he can still be pretty good if he has like a 6 click dial.

I mean if Hawkgirl costs 71 points a T-rex could be super Brutal at 60.

Also if he changes as a free Action he will be good just for versatility.

[Jackofhearts2005]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this then. It just seems to me that this will push the dial designers to optimize each form. Presumably if one dial offers better stats/powers it'll be balanced out on that dial with some other deficiencies. Dials packed with more will be shorter, too, so one will lose options as the game takes its toll on Gar.


You understand, though, that (assuming you can switch at will to any other form during the game without needing to be on certain clicks like the AE mechanic) playing with all four dials is better in every way than playing with just one dial right?

Why would it cost 60 points to play with four dials if each dial is worth 60 points on its own?

[maddragon13]

I would prefer an LE Dolphin.

That works too. Then you've got land, sea, and air all covered.

[WakandaMan]

You understand, though, that (assuming you can switch at will to any other form during the game without needing to be on certain clicks like the AE mechanic) playing with all four dials is better in every way than playing with just one dial right?

Why would it cost 60 points to play with four dials if each dial is worth 60 points on its own?

It is better, but I don't think they'll charge any more for it....because each of those forms should be playable by themself without having the other forms. This is how AEs are costed as well (I believe). There might be a tiny cost for the SP/Trait but I think it will be negligable.

[WakandaMan]

And I agree with ChiRoller- I'd prefer to have an Eagle or Condor for the flying version instead of a Pteradactyl as it would be nice to not just have dinosaurs for him.

Cheetah or Gorilla would be cool for the other one. Note sure if Dolphin or Shark would really work as they shouldn't be able to move in non-water terrain.

[SilverAgeFlash]

So maybe like Eagle and Alligator or something.

He needs one with Aquatic Move, it just seems right.

[pokolo]

it would be really cool if there were a c/u/r/sr beast boy that could all interchange and maybe a LE version too yeah, i like this idea a lot! hopefully that's what's up!

[Jackofhearts2005]

It is better, but I don't think they'll charge any more for it....because each of those forms should be playable by themself without having the other forms. This is how AEs are costed as well (I believe). There might be a tiny cost for the SP/Trait but I think it will be negligable.

I hope so but I think the ability to switch to your choice of 3 other dials and back again anytime you want is a significantly more powerful mechanic than getting to switch to one dial one time after landing on one of two specific clicks that are not frontloaded.

I worry that the cost is no longer negligable.

[WakandaMan]

It's also worth looking at how many unplayable dials are in recent sets. BatB had some just okay dials, but nothing uplayable. Nothing in WoS is unplayable. Nothing in HoT is unplayable.

I think the days of rubbish dials are over.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It's also worth looking at how many unplayable dials are in recent sets. BatB had some just okay dials, but nothing uplayable. Nothing in WoS is unplayable. Nothing in HoT is unplayable.

I think the days of rubbish dials are over.

You know, that's true. Maybe I shouldn't be worried. :laugh:

I mean the most inefficient figure between the last two sets was what? Gizmo? Even he's not that bad.

[WakandaMan]

The last really awful figure they made was the Grey Gargoyle in SI. At least that I can remember. People still complain about figs from recent sets, but none of them are unplayable. Usually it's just that they don't have a 10/11 attack and a 17/18 defense like they expect they should. :noid:

[Miraclo]

You understand, though, that (assuming you can switch at will to any other form during the game without needing to be on certain clicks like the AE mechanic) playing with all four dials is better in every way than playing with just one dial right?

Why would it cost 60 points to play with four dials if each dial is worth 60 points on its own?

It's potentially better, but not automatically so, so no, I don't agree that its necessarily "better in every way." If each dial is worth 60 points then some of them will be more powerful but likely shorter, so moving to one of those makes it much more likely that a KO will be coming more quickly. Each click taken on one dial will mean that all of those same clicks on the other dials will not be used in that game, and so are all lost options.

Look at it another way: The idea of switching between dials for different forms isn't that far off from having a Special Power that allows someone the option of multiple powers at the same time. Indeed, the SP situation would often be better because some of those powers will be compatible, while in the prospective case of dial-switching we're discussing here they won't be because they'll be on different dials and the choice to use one will mean skipping the other.

Really, I'd only see this stepping into broken territory if they allowed more than one change in a turn. (eg allowing him to turn into a dinosaur, attack, then shift back to a smaller form for better attack evasion before ending the turn.)

[ChiRocker]

It's potentially better, but not automatically so, so no, I don't agree that its necessarily "better in every way." If each dial is worth 60 points then some of them will be more powerful but likely shorter, so moving to one of those makes it much more likely that a KO will be coming more quickly. Each click taken on one dial will mean that all of those same clicks on the other dials will not be used in that game, and so are all lost options.

Look at it another way: The idea of switching between dials for different forms isn't that far off from having a Special Power that allows someone the option of multiple powers at the same time. Indeed, the SP situation would often be better because some of those powers will be compatible, while in the prospective case of dial-switching we're discussing here they won't be because they'll be on different dials and the choice to use one will mean skipping the other.

Really, I'd only see this stepping into broken territory if they allowed more than one change in a turn. (eg allowing him to turn into a dinosaur, attack, then shift back to a smaller form for better attack evasion before ending the turn.)

I bet the change can only occur at the beginning of your turn as a free action. That way you have to change more strategically, plus it is more comic accurate. Gar tends to change and then do something. You never see him punch someone then change to get away.

[Miraclo]

I bet the change can only occur at the beginning of your turn as a free action. That way you have to change more strategically, plus it is more comic accurate. Gar tends to change and then do something. You never see him punch someone then change to get away.

Yep. That's the way I'm seeing it, too.

I definitely wasn't suggesting they allow him to change more than once in a turn, only bringing that up as a situation where I would agree that the multiple dials would automatically be worth more than 60 points.

Edit: Rep to various for the discussion.

As mentioned earlier, the Beast Boy/Changeling elements are the first ones I've seen connected to this set that have gotten me somewhat excited about the set. New versions of a couple of the other characters were looked forward to, sure, but for the most part the set wasn't pulling me in.

[ChiRocker]

Yep. That's the way I'm seeing it, too.

I definitely wasn't suggesting they allow him to change more than once in a turn, only bringing that up as a situation where I would agree that the multiple dials would automatically be worth more than 60 points.

I just quoted you specifically because you were the last one to post.

Also, the way I see it (if all the dials are the same length) if the "good clicks" are on the same clicks (like 2-4) of each version, then you aren't going to run into many problems of the figure being better than 60 points. If gar is best on clicks 1-2, T-Rex is best on 3, Gorilla is best on 4-5, etc. then you will run into the problem of people getting more than 60 points worth of BB, but I don't think the designers will have made this mistake. Also, I see these transformations as having to sacrifice something to get something else. Like I can imagine T-Rex getting a good damage output, but possible with a lower attack, speed, and defense (though possibly with a reducer). If there is an eagle/condor, I imagine picking up speed and Carry, but with not much else (maybe some support powers).

Also, I would love an LE Tortoise with a 6 speed that doubles in water.

[Puuka]

Lets hope this is one of the first articles they post for the set :)

[Miraclo]

Lets hope this is one of the first articles they post for the set :)

Seconded! It does seem like something they'd be proud of, and also something they'd like to get early feedback on (as they consider how to handle some other pieces in future sets) so there's more than one reason for them to choose them. (It's too soon for me to be allowed to Rep you again.)

[Puuka]

I think they have to post something soon besides WoS cards. As cool as it is to get them, people are clammoring for DC75 and GSX information now. WoS is old news.

[mbstoner]

They have more than one Blue lanterns confirmed???!?!?!?!?!?!?

Who besides Saint walker?

Well, Ganthet is in the set. Even though he's wearing his Green Lantern uniform, I'd say there's a good chance he'll have the Blue Lantern Corps keyword.

[theanalogkid]

The last really awful figure they made was the Grey Gargoyle in SI. At least that I can remember. People still complain about figs from recent sets, but none of them are unplayable. Usually it's just that they don't have a 10/11 attack and a 17/18 defense like they expect they should. :noid:

Element Lad springs to mind.;)

[theanalogkid]

While I would love a Teen Titans action set, this is the next best thing.

There is no way they could make a Gar Logan animal in a different set since the DC75 figure's card will have to say what numbers he can swap out with. So its either action pack or expansion.

And you have to wonder how well a TT action pack would sell. They seem to feel more comfortable with:

A) current wide story arcs (BN & BD)

B) Current movies (Jonah & Iron Man)

C) Recognizable characters (Wonder Woman, Hal Jordan, Aquaman, Iron Man, Spider-Man, etc)

The Titans aren't as universally known as the afore mentioned. And since they have never made a Justice League, X-Men, or Avengers Action Pack, I highly doubt we will see a Teen Titans pack anytime soon (or until a movie is in the works).

I agree that if they were going to do it, they would have when the cartoon was on. And I'm not griping at all, as Gar needed a remake, the Icons REV are alright and better than the REV Hypertime Titans healing batteries, and using the new mechanic to great effect is wonderful, but it would have been nice if these count as the generics is all. Or increase the size of the set. I'm going to play with him to be sure.

[maddragon13]

So maybe like Eagle and Alligator or something.

He needs one with Aquatic Move, it just seems right.

I like the Alligator idea!!! Good thinking my friend!!! ;)

[Numb Skrull]

The last really awful figure they made was the Grey Gargoyle in SI. At least that I can remember. People still complain about figs from recent sets, but none of them are unplayable. Usually it's just that they don't have a 10/11 attack and a 17/18 defense like they expect they should. :noid:

This is a very good point. I would say all characters, of recent, at their point cost, are all playable. Now figures are judged on being efficient, i.e. can I use another figure that will play this role more a better price or offer more.

I would say, the figure that stuck out to me as being "unplayable" from WoS was Willow 'O Wisp, but even at that I'm wrong, as he is very playable for the points. He becomes a taxi and MM Fodder. I just expected him to be different.

This just goes towards the evolution of brand. Most surprising to me is the creation of big point figures that are worth their points. I would say before S.I. most big point figures I would not dream of using unless I put Fortitude on them, or they had the Power Cosmic TA

And of course, I think of the old REV system, and how in just about every set before Ultimates, all I was after was Vet figs.(Of course there were exceptions to the rule) It was funny because I was kind of a completist at the time, and so much of my collection was unused. Now my goal in each set is to use every figure, which I wouldn't dream about doing with older sets at the time they were made.

[pumawag]

I'd like to see...

Uncommom- Gorilla

Rare- Condor

SR- T-Rex (but we already know this one)

And if there is going to be a LE version- Rhino

R---H--I---N---O---C---E---R--O---S---!

That and the humingbird would be excellent.

[TH0MAS5]

The last really awful figure they made was the Grey Gargoyle in SI.
:noid:

I think you and jack of hearts are forgetting about Power Girl and Ras Al Ghul.
Two of my favorite characters and these 2 figs will never be used by me.

[2 Gun Kid]

Man its kind of a shame cuz I really really was hoping the T Rex would be kick ### sorta like Devil Dino. Invuln, Charge, and high damage and a white power thats sorta like Terrify.

[2 Gun Kid]

I think you and jack of hearts are forgetting about Power Girl and Ras Al Ghul.
Two of my favorite characters and these 2 figs will never be used by me.

Thats fine but I played the heck out of both of them.

[WakandaMan]

I think you and jack of hearts are forgetting about Power Girl and Ras Al Ghul.
Two of my favorite characters and these 2 figs will never be used by me.

Yeah I knew someone would jump in on this conversation to whine about a favourite character's dial not being as good as it should be. :rolleyes:

They may not be completely accurate or especially efficient pieces, but they are still quite playable.

[Wimbley]

sorry a bit off topic but wow those figs look like carp!!! the sculpts look just bad... except for the t-rex... kinda hard to screw that up... o wait devil dino was really carpy so ill take it back.. any ways those were the first big clear photos ive seen of the new set and the paint and sculpts look cheap and rushed B^( i hope wizkids ups their quality real soon!!!

[The Incredible Mate]

I remember watching the old Teen titan cartoon when I was a kid and don't read the comics but I want the beast boy and all his forms just because... and hopefully a new cyborg.

[ChiRocker]

I remember watching the old Teen titan cartoon when I was a kid and don't read the comics but I want the beast boy and all his forms just because... and hopefully a new cyborg.

This show is what got me into comics.

[theanalogkid]

Yeah I knew someone would jump in on this conversation to whine about a favourite character's dial not being as good as it should be. :rolleyes:

They may not be completely accurate or especially efficient pieces, but they are still quite playable.

True. Power Girl is a welcome addition to my "Girls of the JSA team" or any other JSA team. Her only real weakness-her AV- his easily migiated by the amount of PC the JSA brings (like you weren't going to already play with Sandman or Dr. Fate or Jakeem or Shazam! or...) and thats only if she gets to her back end. A 10 is what most of her teammates are sporting (except Spectre, who starts with an 11, and the already mentioned Shazam!). So, really, the complaint is AV over cost, especially with Shiera out there. BUT, which can take a hit from her cousin and still be standing? Which is supposed to? That's what you get with PG. It's as exactly as it should be.

[IceHot]

I like this idea and had posted a dream dial once somewhat similar....

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3050820

[ChiRocker]

I like this idea and had posted a dream dial once somewhat similar....

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3050820&highlight=Beast#post3050820

Here (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=255254&highlight=beast+boy) is an old one that I designed a while back.

[Bat-Dude]

I just posted this in the 'Guess the LEs' thread, but I figured it belonged here too:

[in regards to DC 75th LEs]

There ought to be a Common Beast Boy repaint with the TT TA (instead of Outsiders like the Common) at the same point cost and with the same ability to AE into the other animal representations of him in the set (assuming there are more than just the T-Rex).

[Hero_guy]

So is the possibility of the level-up mechanic not applicable to Gar? I know its not the most comic accurate mechanic to use here, but it might be the most balanced? Gar ko's someone, and gets to change to one of the other forms. Limit this to once per game. In this way it is better and worse than the AE mechanic. Better in that it can happen on any click of Gar's dial. Worse in that you might not get as many clicks out of the combo.

Or perhaps there is another trigger for the change altogether? Maybe each time the figure takes damage from an attack, you can change? And if you want to change without taking damage, it will cost a power action?

[ChiRocker]

I just posted this in the 'Guess the LEs' thread, but I figured it belonged here too:

[in regards to DC 75th LEs]

Yeah, but Gar has both TA's already...

So is the possibility of the level-up mechanic not applicable to Gar? I know its not the most comic accurate mechanic to use here, but it might be the most balanced? Gar ko's someone, and gets to change to one of the other forms. Limit this to once per game. In this way it is better and worse than the AE mechanic. Better in that it can happen on any click of Gar's dial. Worse in that you might not get as many clicks out of the combo.

Or perhaps there is another trigger for the change altogether? Maybe each time the figure takes damage from an attack, you can change? And if you want to change without taking damage, it will cost a power action?

Since the T-Rex has the same point total as Gar, I imagine that the battle promotion mechanic will not be applicable. Honestly, I think WK/N throws around the word "mechanic" too much when it is merely just a possible recurring special power, like Invincible or Self Perplex.